Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia | GAME OVER: Not Equal To The Challenge

[Kantrip]

What do you mean by "i'm done with this" then? What is it about our case against you (much of which is still being typed by Xatres as I speak) that makes you throw your hands in the air and say "I'm done with this?"

We have a strong town read on Kary. We have a 100% strong town read on Zen. dabuz is in the back. Ranmaru is gone, and his replacement is who knows where, and that case has no legs anyways. At least not until we deal with our two biggest scum reads: you and....wait for it.

I didn't even read it. Does that give you a clue? My intentions are getting either ignored or misread really hard and I'm done with trying to explain myself when that's not what I want to be focusing on.

Ranmaru's replacement is a hydra containing Ranmaru. He is not gone. Your strong town read on Kary... confuses me because earlier you said he was a scumread of yours.

 

[Death Mountain]

We have a strong town read on Kary. We have a 100% strong town read on Zen. dabuz is in the back. Ranmaru is gone, and his replacement is who knows where, and that case has no legs anyways. At least not until we deal with our two biggest scum reads: you and....wait for it.

Don't worry. I am still here, in the form of a mountain. ;o

 

[Kantrip]

what does his class tell you? jus curious. shouldnt theyclaim abilties and such?

It tells me enough.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

xast ran replaced into a hydra of himself and rajam.
also half expecting this case to be about me since he wont say anything about it.

 

[Kantrip]

For example, I knew that Ranmaru could use Steel Axes. I know more, too.

I just want Kary's class.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually yeah Xastrn please explain your Kary townread that is so strong. Earlier you called Kary scum.

 

[Xastrn]

What do you mean by "i'm done with this" then? What is it about our case against you (much of which is still being typed by Xatres as I speak) that makes you throw your hands in the air and say "I'm done with this?"

We have a strong town read on Kary. We have a 100% strong town read on Zen. dabuz is in the back. Ranmaru is gone, and his replacement is who knows where, and that case has no legs anyways. At least not until we deal with our two biggest scum reads: you and....wait for it.

Sorry, I got MAD ninja'd by like a million posts. I didn't realize I hadn't posted it yet while I was working on the other half with Xatres.

Kary, don't leave thread for a little bit. We need to speak with you soon.

 

[Xastrn]

I didn't even read it. Does that give you a clue? My intentions are getting either ignored or misread really hard and I'm done with trying to explain myself when that's not what I want to be focusing on.

Ranmaru's replacement is a hydra containing Ranmaru. He is not gone. Your strong town read on Kary... confuses me because earlier you said he was a scumread of yours.

Yes, it does give me a massive clue. Wasn't one I needed because I'm pretty sure I already know the answer, but still, thanks for confirming to town that you refuse to interact with anyone and that you think YOU RUN TOWN and get to dictate who is under fire. You are trying to threaten people to do shoot exactly how you say or else you will kill them and not your own scum target....And you refuse to listen to dissent, but your case isn't even very strong on ran.

My strong read on Kary will be explained when we are done with our next big post.

 

[Xastrn]

Don't worry. I am still here, in the form of a mountain. ;o

YAY. Calculon is back!

 

[Kantrip]

This close to attacking Xastrn on impulse just so I won't have to deal with him

feel free to add this post to your cases on me, idc

gonna leave the thread for a bit before I do something I'll regret

 

[Sokr]

Potassium, if you shoot Xastrn off that reasoning I will shoot you tomorrow. You've been behaving almost exactly how you said scumyou acts and my town read on you is slipping. Also I'm not too sure how your setup speculation is gonna help... but I'm willing to see where you go with it.

 

[Death Mountain]

Let me get out some thoughts on my latest scumreads. This way can work forward and do a little bit more.

Zen, not at all present during D1. I want to talk reads with him and PAIR up with him so I can understand why he went after Soup the way he did, yet it didn't really happen. Now he's saying I'm not trying to develop reads, but I have gotten them. I HAVE GOT THEM. He says I'm skimming, not analyzing, and that I have a weak case on Dabuz. Uh, ok? How does that all translate to scum? Is it because you think I'm not trying to touch toes or something? I don't know about you guys, but I still think you aren't paying much attention to him at all. Like if you all could give me a solid read + reasoning on Dabuz that isn't "He's fine, he's INTERESTED in the game, he's town", then I would step down and notice no one sees what I see. Ok fine. Skimming, I did, yes. I do it all the time. Even in the newb where you (Zen) were scum. IF you are town, you then you gotta just ask yourself if this is something I'd not do as town? Tell me what that answer is. Now on the weak case on Dabuz, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN RESPONDED to my post about it. I, will forever, until AFTER I DIE, even in ENDGAME, tell you the same. His play here and his over there is different. You say I'm supposed to let him PICK UP HIS GAME, but HOW CAN YOU CATCH SCUM IF YOU LET THEM MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEM? On the not analysing, I will say BULL **** on that. I have and I even shown that I have done more than RYU when it comes to analysing. *Chris Farley KICK THE DOOR ACTION*

GOOD GORF.

This to me shows that you are trying to **** on me so you can have a read. You never really conversed with me, nor did you continue our conversation on Dabuz. Like dude, where's the half of you that agrees with the read on Dabuz? Do you still read him as scum, or do you think he's town because he's BETTER now? If so, I would automatically tell town to watch out for you. BULL ZEYE. BAZING. You also haven't got back to me about my response. I think the same thing happened in Walmart mafia, where you also read me as scum. So please frickin do that so you can READ ME RIGHT. I'm getting tired of this, and someday we seriously need to hydra. But this time I just think you are scum.

Ryu. Simply put, he is opportunistic this game. You can't tell since we don't have votes, and he can't bandwagon. Yet, he bandwagons in the form of 'opinion'. He always piggybacks Zen's cases or reasoning without really showing why, and it's very OMG DUDE, I TOTALLY AGREE... Forced, that's the word. He was less present D1, and therefore he tried to do a ballzy move, by saying he would shoot Xastrn without any reason. It was easy for him to say, and it would help him get townie points for doing so. I don't think it makes him town at all. It's more of a null, as it could go either way. It's also opportunistic when he says that he doesn't want Xastrn shot and is fine with me going instead. It shows that he doesn't really care which of Me or Xastrn goes, as long as we 'look' scummy, it's all good in the hood.

Kantrip don't shoot Xastrn, I'm actually not gonna be bullheaded about this.

I'm interested in more from Ran first.

FML, is null because he attacks me for **** all the time and I'm like... wtf. *BRICKS* The only logical thing I can think of is that he is thinking in a 'pawn scum mindset' and then so he always assume everything I do is from a scum mindset. I mean seriously, I can't even give a tidbit about frickin skills. NO RAN THATS TERRIBLE PLAY EVEN THO OUR SLOT DOES IT TOO LAWL.

On Dabuz, it's the same. He's getting longer posts, but still doesn't really push his case. He doesn't even chime in on plays of the day, like me or Kary. His play today hasn't relieved me of his D1 stuff. I think you guys have probs on looking at scum who might just be fluffy scum, and instead are looking for the obvious scum.

Kary still town. Kantrip is lean town due to him just saying i'm the play without really commenting on why he agrees with the case. Otherwise his explanation was good to me besides that one part.

 

[Death Mountain]

I will say I don't like that Ryu/Zen/Dabuz are all paired because then I can't shoot any of them.

Kantrip, if (and when >_>) I were to flip town, how does that affect your reads on Zen and Ryu? I think that's the important thing here.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

you shoot ryu and he flips town i want your head tomorrow ran.

 

[Death Mountain]

Your evidence is pure misquoting meta.

This is not true. If you think it wasn't as accurate, I can post more.

You have not shown anything that shows what he is doing is a scum tell to his win con. All you have shown is the same tells that he does all the time.

Seriously Ran, how is any of this more confident than Xastrn scum?

I have, and I even stated it. Here's a simple line "Dabuz is posting simply to post. Scum intent? So he can seem town and seem like he's being help and active without really having a strong direction". Bam, scum right there. Analysis. BAM. BAM BOOM.

Green, I don't see how this is a suspicious thing or even a VALID question. You seem to say that Xastrn scum should be a confident read because you wanted to shoot him, but consider my read on him was LEAN SCUM, and I was more confident in Xastrn. Tell me again why Xastrn is more confident, because I don't remember you saying much of why, you just said you wanted to shoot him and would.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Between Kary and Kantrip, I'd prefer Kary shoot.

Though I would need to think on Newer posts on Kantrip. Still think Xastrn and Ran are scummier.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

also who the **** are the paragraphs before ryu even addressed to?

 

[Death Mountain]

also who the **** are the paragraphs before ryu even addressed to?

Zen.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ran you can shoot me all you want, but you won't live tomorrow when you make that kind of shot.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I will say I don't like that Ryu/Zen/Dabuz are all paired because then I can't shoot any of them.

Kantrip, if (and when >_>) I were to flip town, how does that affect your reads on Zen and Ryu? I think that's the important thing here.

You can shoot me fyi.

Not that it is at all a good idea.

 

[Death Mountain]

Ran you can shoot me all you want, but you won't live tomorrow when you make that kind of shot.

I'd prefer Dabuz, but I mean that it's like, jeez I can't even shoot any of my scumreads here. I'm saying this so the rest of town can think about that and how to best decide to pair up.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Let me get out some thoughts on my latest scumreads. This way can work forward and do a little bit more.

Zen, not at all present during D1. I want to talk reads with him and PAIR up with him so I can understand why he went after Soup the way he did, yet it didn't really happen. Now he's saying I'm not trying to develop reads, but I have gotten them. I HAVE GOT THEM. He says I'm skimming, not analyzing, and that I have a weak case on Dabuz. Uh, ok? How does that all translate to scum? Is it because you think I'm not trying to touch toes or something? I don't know about you guys, but I still think you aren't paying much attention to him at all. Like if you all could give me a solid read + reasoning on Dabuz that isn't "He's fine, he's INTERESTED in the game, he's town", then I would step down and notice no one sees what I see. Ok fine. Skimming, I did, yes. I do it all the time. Even in the newb where you (Zen) were scum. IF you are town, you then you gotta just ask yourself if this is something I'd not do as town? Tell me what that answer is. Now on the weak case on Dabuz, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN RESPONDED to my post about it. I, will forever, until AFTER I DIE, even in ENDGAME, tell you the same. His play here and his over there is different. You say I'm supposed to let him PICK UP HIS GAME, but HOW CAN YOU CATCH SCUM IF YOU LET THEM MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEM? On the not analysing, I will say BULL **** on that. I have and I even shown that I have done more than RYU when it comes to analysing. *Chris Farley KICK THE DOOR ACTION*

GOOD GORF.

This to me shows that you are trying to **** on me so you can have a read. You never really conversed with me, nor did you continue our conversation on Dabuz. Like dude, where's the half of you that agrees with the read on Dabuz? Do you still read him as scum, or do you think he's town because he's BETTER now? If so, I would automatically tell town to watch out for you. BULL ZEYE. BAZING. You also haven't got back to me about my response. I think the same thing happened in Walmart mafia, where you also read me as scum. So please frickin do that so you can READ ME RIGHT. I'm getting tired of this, and someday we seriously need to hydra. But this time I just think you are scum.

Ryu. Simply put, he is opportunistic this game. You can't tell since we don't have votes, and he can't bandwagon. Yet, he bandwagons in the form of 'opinion'. He always piggybacks Zen's cases or reasoning without really showing why, and it's very OMG DUDE, I TOTALLY AGREE... Forced, that's the word. He was less present D1, and therefore he tried to do a ballzy move, by saying he would shoot Xastrn without any reason. It was easy for him to say, and it would help him get townie points for doing so. I don't think it makes him town at all. It's more of a null, as it could go either way. It's also opportunistic when he says that he doesn't want Xastrn shot and is fine with me going instead. It shows that he doesn't really care which of Me or Xastrn goes, as long as we 'look' scummy, it's all good in the hood.



FML, is null because he attacks me for **** all the time and I'm like... wtf. *BRICKS* The only logical thing I can think of is that he is thinking in a 'pawn scum mindset' and then so he always assume everything I do is from a scum mindset. I mean seriously, I can't even give a tidbit about frickin skills. NO RAN THATS TERRIBLE PLAY EVEN THO OUR SLOT DOES IT TOO LAWL.

On Dabuz, it's the same. He's getting longer posts, but still doesn't really push his case. He doesn't even chime in on plays of the day, like me or Kary. His play today hasn't relieved me of his D1 stuff. I think you guys have probs on looking at scum who might just be fluffy scum, and instead are looking for the obvious scum.

Kary still town. Kantrip is lean town due to him just saying i'm the play without really commenting on why he agrees with the case. Otherwise his explanation was good to me besides that one part.

I'm 100% ok with Ran dying over Xastrn now.

Kary or Kantrip, make magic happen.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'd prefer Dabuz, but I mean that it's like, jeez I can't even shoot any of my scumreads here. I'm saying this so the rest of town can think about that and how to best decide to pair up.

Nope, you ain't touching him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

by saying he would shoot Xastrn without any reason.

 

[Xastrn]

Based on yesterDay, we had only soft scum-leans on FML and Potassium. It's toDay when the case broke wide open for us.

In our next post you will find the entire contents of our Pair-Up conversation with FML.

Highlights:

1) We provided pretty conclusive evidence (or pretty damn good forgery) of us being town. The unedited Facebook chat conversation with our real names (which I've removed here) should have been a dead giveaway, especially when combined with the Odd/Even role mechanics. However, FML continued to be wishy-washy with our reads on us both in our convo and in thread.

2) FML claims to be a vengeful townie, and encourages us to give him the Falchion because it would make him practically unkillable. We didn't believe this claim for three reasons: a) If he actually thought we might be scum, why would he give this away? He'd want to claim something that would get him targeted by an NK. b) He didn't seem to know whether or not both he and his attacker would die if he was targeted, or just his attacker. This seems like a glaring omission for a mod to make for a Role PM, but perhaps one he might overlook in safe claim. c) We also didn't believe for a second that he could even WEILD the Falchion, as only Lords can do that and he didn't claim Lord.

3) FML offered what we thought was the worst advice in history. He recommended we set up a hard TvS scenario with Kary. He said that it was pretty much the only way to save ourselves, and told us to avoid doing it with RR because town would never get behind it. Essentially, he was encouraging us to push a bad lynch to save ourselves. If we had been successful, Kary would have flipped town and we'd be dead D3. If not, we'd have certainly died, flipped town, and Kary would be dead D3. Neither situation boded well for town.

4) We agreed to follow FML's idea in private but did not carry it out in public, for reasons discussed above. We waited to see the reactions of other players. We assumed if FML was scum, then his scummates would suddenly start playing differently too.

5) About 12 hours after FML offering us his advice, Potassium starts in on his TvS posturing towards Kary/Xastrn. He pushes it pretty hard, but we never take the bait. We manage to relieve the pressure against us and Potassium switches gears to other players. He was last of everyone to drop the pressure on us.

6) We told FML we would give him the Falchion if he were to agree to stay attached. We told him what you read above: it would cement him as town (why? We said it to make him think that we believed Kary would flip scum), it would save us (a townie), and it would kill his #1 scumpick Kary. win win win.

7) It eventually becomes clear in thread that the TvS Kary/Xastrn scenario isn't going to pan out. FML starts saying in thread that he wants our flip, tells us that he's still on the fence, then separates.

One primary reason for having a strong townread on Kary comes from this strong scumread on FML and Potassium. Two seemingly unrelated players both pushed a TvS scenario within 12 hours of each other, just after we agreed with one of them to go along with it. We also read Kary as town D1, disliked his play early D2, then watched him mellow out and be one of the first get off the easy Xastrn wagon. We're convinced Kary is town, FML and Potatassium are scum, and that's all we have to say about that.</gump>

 

[Kantrip]

Ruy is town, Ran

Kary feel free to shoot Ran

 

[Kantrip]

actually wait ninja'd

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

2) FML claims to be a vengeful townie,

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU OUT THIS?!

 

[Xastrn]

Yeah, no more communicating here. The pairing was severed about 8 hours ago.

I'm not kicking anybody in any Pair Ups when a Separation occurs because I want the players involved to retain access to their private posts, and kicking people would block them from the conversations entirely. So I expect some self-restraint on this.

 

[Xastrn]

Spoiler

Xastrn has decided to Pair Up with FullMetalLynch!

You may communicate in this conversation for as long as you remain paired.

Sorry about how late this is; I blanked on it last night before I went to bed.

gj circus.

All good things are worth waiting for

I'm going out for the next few hours. It's my 10 year reunion from college, and I'm watching the basketball game with my wife and meeting up with old friends. Here's the facebook convo me and Xatres had. I'm Patrick, he's Jeremy.

Jeremy Rice
mod says the mafia thread and roll PMs should be coming "soonish"
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:31pm
Patrick Rice
Hmm.
Don't read the roll PM yet. I'm on my phone now but I can get on my computer soon. We can chat a lot faster then
I hope we're scum
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:32pm
Jeremy Rice
i do too
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:32pm
Patrick Rice
I like being scum a lot more than being town, although I'm a much better town player
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:32pm
Jeremy Rice
although after rereading your solo-hydra majora performance, i'm a little worried abuot getting outed early
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:33pm
Patrick Rice
I will have to reread that one.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:33pm
Jeremy Rice
your whole style seemed different in that game
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:33pm
Patrick Rice
How do you remember what games I was in 3 years ago?
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:33pm
Jeremy Rice
i didn't play THAT much mafia
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:33pm
Patrick Rice
I barely remember that one. Were you my hydra in that?
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:34pm
Jeremy Rice
we were supposed to hydra that one but i bailed on you to job-hunt in md
not a good month for me
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:34pm
Patrick Rice
Oh right. ***.
Lol
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:34pm
Jeremy Rice
i also god modkilled out of megaman x mafia that month
and stopped playing altogether
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:34pm
Patrick Rice
Ahh. I quit when you did I think.
Is our don't color thing a good idea? I wouldn't mind some ambiguity.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:37pm
Jeremy Rice
not sure
i feel like it worked well enough in oddworld
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:38pm
Patrick Rice
Font color I meant
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:38pm
Jeremy Rice
but i wonder if we pull mafia if it wouldn't be a liabiltiy
that's what i mean
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:38pm
Patrick Rice
We were town
Yeah
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:38pm
Jeremy Rice
especially not living together
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:39pm
Patrick Rice
As scum we might be able to lie or way out of scum slips more easily by not using colors
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:39pm
Jeremy Rice
it's true
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:40pm
Patrick Rice
hard to say
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:40pm
Jeremy Rice
although we could be accused of not using colors on purpose
since we have established that we DO split colors in older games
awhile ago, granted, but those players are still around
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:41pm
Patrick Rice
"it's been 3 years, we used to live together when we hydra 'd... we don't remember every thing. "
We also haven't played since our last hydra.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:42pm
Jeremy Rice
hmmm
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:42pm
Patrick Rice
I have a lot of **** to throw around to civet our slips
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:44pm
Jeremy Rice
such as?
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:45pm
Patrick Rice
All the stuff I just said. Viable excuses to amswer challenges. We could then introduce colors if we wanted
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:46pm
Jeremy Rice
i don't know, i think maybe consistency might be better
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:46pm
Patrick Rice
All I know is if we're town, I hope we're a bomb. We're good at not getting lynched, if we make it past N1
You might be right
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:46pm
Jeremy Rice
we're good at not getting lynch while town
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:46pm
Patrick Rice
Correct
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:46pm
Jeremy Rice
no idea how i'll do as scum
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:47pm
Patrick Rice
I suck as scum.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:47pm
Jeremy Rice
but i've never had a wagon on me as town
well, other than the guilty in oddworld
but really, that does not count
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:47pm
Patrick Rice
I would almost want to send you my posts and let you dr them and post in Orange
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:48pm
Jeremy Rice
ha ha
well, i did pick up some scumtells in your majora game, like i said
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:48pm
Patrick Rice
So you actually make most posts but you use orange when it would come out better from me
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:48pm
Jeremy Rice
unless you already know what your tells are
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:48pm
Patrick Rice
It has been too long to remember
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:48pm
Jeremy Rice
might be a good idea, depending on time limitations
well, you were much more happy-go-lucky and casual
you also used a lot more emotional language
not that you ever flew off the handle (only once)
but you'd say stuff like "I like this post" or "I like what he said here"
rather than just right into analysis
in writing terms, you reverted to telling rather than showing
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:53pm
Patrick Rice
Ok
I think we should ask in our first post who had played with whom before.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:55pm
Jeremy Rice
like in general or people who have played with us?
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:55pm
Patrick Rice
with everyone in the game
So everyone should list who from this game they have played with
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 9:58pm
Jeremy Rice
what do we hope to gain from that?
i assume most of those people would ahve played together at some point
Patrick Rice
10/24, 9:59pm
Patrick Rice
Info. History that they have that wet don't
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 10:00pm
Jeremy Rice
makes sense
let me know when you are computerized
Patrick Rice
10/24, 10:04pm
Patrick Rice
Maybe 45 minutes
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 10:04pm
Jeremy Rice
okay
playing some majora's mask then
i'll leave chat up
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 10:54pm
Jeremy Rice
so..... up and running yet?
Patrick Rice
10/24, 11:41pm
Patrick Rice
Lol no Steve showed us an episode of duck dynasty and I had to watch like 3 more. Funniest stuff I've seen in ages
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 11:41pm
Jeremy Rice
what a noob
Patrick Rice
10/24, 11:42pm
Patrick Rice
I don't usually like redneck comedy but this is on a whole different level
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 11:42pm
Jeremy Rice
isn't more just family members trolling each other while happening to be rednecks?
Patrick Rice
10/24, 11:42pm
Patrick Rice
Yes
It's so funny.
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 11:44pm
Jeremy Rice
so are we talking shop tonight or what? if not, i'll be heading to bed soonish
Patrick Rice
10/24, 11:45pm
Patrick Rice
Yes. I'll get the laptop out now
Jeremy Rice
10/24, 11:45pm
Jeremy Rice
cool
Patrick Rice
12:08am
Patrick Rice
Trying to get connected to this Internet
hey hey
it worked finally
Jeremy Rice
12:10am
Jeremy Rice
congrats
Patrick Rice
12:10am
Patrick Rice
i guess i just sit patiently for like 10 minutes and suddenly i get connection
w/e
Jeremy Rice
12:11am
Jeremy Rice
okay, so
i was looking through the other BIM games that have been run on smashboards
they all have pretty similar setups
townies, cops, bombs
goons, godfather
sometimes they split the godfather role in two... not allowing the godfather the daykill, but giving it to a mafia assassin
they've also given mafia "vanilla cops"
but given that this is a theme game, i'm sure there will be more shenanigans
thread just went live
Patrick Rice
12:14am
Patrick Rice
what's our theme? fire emblem? do you know the series?
Jeremy Rice
12:14am
Jeremy Rice
http://smashboards.com/threads/fire-emblem...-of-history.341650/
i know the series, but this particular game
yup, definitely different
Patrick Rice
12:16am
Patrick Rice
I'm reading rules and whatnot now
Jeremy Rice
12:16am
Jeremy Rice
me too
Patrick Rice
12:19am
Patrick Rice
Looks strange
Jeremy Rice
12:19am
Jeremy Rice
indeed
Patrick Rice
12:19am
Patrick Rice
I bet the design is broken. we can find the breaks
Jeremy Rice
12:20am
Jeremy Rice
well, becoming a support unit basically turns you into an unkillable tree stump
so 50% of the players can be docced at once
okay... so... good mafia ploy
wait, hang on
blah
this is confusing
i was thinking we could offer to buddy up and trade away our weapon to a given player
a way of preserving our kill and giving it an espeically pro-town player
which could make us look townie
hmmm... sounds like you can secretly kill too
Patrick Rice
12:23am
Patrick Rice
it sounds good
Jeremy Rice
12:23am
Jeremy Rice
When a weapon breaks, it will be announced in thread. If the wielder of the broken weapon is publicly known, then the wielder's username will be mentioned in the announcement (ex: "Circus' Steel Sword broke!"). If the wielder of the broken weapon is not publicly known, then the wielder will remain anonymous (ex: "Someone's Steel Sword broke!"
Patrick Rice
12:23am
Patrick Rice
perhaps someone's PR is that their kills are secret
Jeremy Rice
12:23am
Jeremy Rice
indeed
i bet there's a thief mechanic too
Patrick Rice
12:23am
Patrick Rice
or that they can break a weapon someone else has
Jeremy Rice
12:24am
Jeremy Rice
someone who can steal weapons/daykills from other players
Patrick Rice
12:24am
Patrick Rice
Ok flavor HAS to be your wheel house
i don't know the universe at all
Jeremy Rice
12:24am
Jeremy Rice
it's a pretty basic turn based rpg
medieval theme
Patrick Rice
12:24am
Patrick Rice
so I'm stuck with no safeclaim regarding flavor that is believable
Jeremy Rice
12:24am
Jeremy Rice
there's a weapon triangle though
swords beat axes, axes beat spears, spears beat swords
i'm wondering how that will be implemented
Patrick Rice
12:25am
Patrick Rice
i'll check our role PM if it's out
Jeremy Rice
12:25am
Jeremy Rice
hang on
we should finish chatting theory before our speculation is spoiled
Patrick Rice
12:26am
Patrick Rice
it's not PMed yet
Jeremy Rice
12:26am
Jeremy Rice
actually, i'm already reading the sample pms
Patrick Rice
12:26am
Patrick Rice
I'll leave that browser open so i see it come in
Jeremy Rice
12:26am
Jeremy Rice
so i'm spoiled already >_>
Patrick Rice
12:27am
Patrick Rice
so is grima the scum team?
Jeremy Rice
12:27am
Jeremy Rice
yeah
grima is the villain of that game, i assume
Patrick Rice
12:27am
Patrick Rice
This will be fun but we need to hydra another standard game soon
maybe sign up for the big game that's in queue
Jeremy Rice
12:27am
Jeremy Rice
i'm not doing 2 games at once
that's what got me overwhelmed last time
Patrick Rice
12:28am
Patrick Rice
i don't have a jerb yet. I can keep up
although I have an interview for a c# development job next week
Jeremy Rice
12:28am
Jeremy Rice
well, i do have a job
one that i am prone to proscratinate with
Patrick Rice
12:28am
Patrick Rice
hence the hydra!
Jeremy Rice
12:28am
Jeremy Rice
2 mafia games is too much
Patrick Rice
12:28am
Patrick Rice
AH
Jeremy Rice
12:28am
Jeremy Rice
hydra is sometiems more work
because we have to talk through reads and crap
Patrick Rice
12:28am
Patrick Rice
BRB i gotta poo. type up some theorycraft for me to read when I get done
Jeremy Rice
12:29am
Jeremy Rice
okay...
let's see
Fire emblem has a unit upgrade mechanic
knights (tanks) become generals (super-tanks)
and whatnot
that require items
so it's possible that the trade mechanic will include the possibility of item drops
there are also flying units that are weak to bow and arrows
healing units exist, but with the support set up i'm going to guess they won't be used too heavily
i guess we'll see
i think a player like Cello (who isn't in this game) would immediately go support with someone to protect himself and try to run town from an unkillable position teh whole gaome
OH! the "support" mechanic in fire emblem allows two characters to talk and give each other stat boosts (assuming they are friends in the storyline)
i wouldn't be surprised if soem characters get bonuses if they can find the right person to support
i'm kinda wishing he'd given us a non-vanilla sample role, just to see what abilities we might see
i'd say we're guaranteed to see a thief character though
it's one of the only "abilities" the game has
based on the sample PM, i'd say he's avoiding differentiating between ranged and melee weapons
and maybe the weapon triangle too
that would probably be a bit complicated
Patrick Rice
12:43am
Patrick Rice
ok
i just got the role
Jeremy Rice
12:45am
Jeremy Rice
okay
i was thinking about the split hydra thing, with one of us not having the info
Patrick Rice
12:45am
Patrick Rice
i just read it
Jeremy Rice
12:45am
Jeremy Rice
it's a nice idea, but we're in this to play together
Patrick Rice
12:45am
Patrick Rice
agreed
Jeremy Rice
12:45am
Jeremy Rice
i'd rather just know
Patrick Rice
12:45am
Patrick Rice

ROLE PM REMOVED PER RULES

Patrick Rice
12:46am
Patrick Rice
So we would LOVE to team up with the even rhythm player and trade back and forth
but with 11 players, we have a 9% chance of guessing that right
Jeremy Rice
12:47am
Jeremy Rice
huh
we're even weaker than a vanilla townie... awesome
Patrick Rice
12:47am
Patrick Rice
I'd say we should play support
Jeremy Rice
12:47am
Jeremy Rice
Patrick Rice
12:47am
Patrick Rice
all the way
Jeremy Rice
12:47am
Jeremy Rice
i'm assuming nowi is in this game, also using dragonstones
Patrick Rice
12:48am
Patrick Rice
again, you're the flavor boss
Jeremy Rice
12:48am
Jeremy Rice
well, it's right there in the text
it's reasonable to assume that the even rhythm person we want to pair up with also uses dragonstones
our flavor opens by contrasting our personalities
as if we have a different rhythm, per se
Patrick Rice
12:49am
Patrick Rice
Seems reasonable
Jeremy Rice
12:49am
Jeremy Rice
maybe i'm stretching, but it seems reasonable
Patrick Rice
12:49am
Patrick Rice
i'd say 90% likely
Jeremy Rice
12:50am
Jeremy Rice
we also shouldn't forget that we have a secondary power here
Patrick Rice
12:50am
Patrick Rice
I'll send a role confirmed PM
Jeremy Rice
12:50am
Jeremy Rice
we can end a day phase on even numbered days
if things get super-fishy, we can just "try" to make a kill
Patrick Rice
12:51am
Patrick Rice
ah
Jeremy Rice
12:51am
Jeremy Rice
it also allows us to save ourselves in a pinch
Patrick Rice
12:51am
Patrick Rice
mylo and lylo changes
because we can no lynch at will
Jeremy Rice
12:51am
Jeremy Rice
on even days, at least
Patrick Rice
12:51am
Patrick Rice
right
true
this game will be interesting
so are we allowed to attack AND do another action, or do we all pick only 1 action per Day
Jeremy Rice
12:53am
Jeremy Rice
well, attacking ends the day
waiting forbids us from acting again
as does switching to support or separating
trading i think can be done at will
but only with your buddy
Patrick Rice
12:53am
Patrick Rice
right
sounds like we can trade AND attack though
and the trades are public, including item name
That should give away some flavor
Jeremy Rice
12:54am
Jeremy Rice
actually no, it says you can trade in privdate chat
*private
Patrick Rice
12:54am
Patrick Rice
like if we traded, how many characters use dragonballs or whatever?
Jeremy Rice
12:54am
Jeremy Rice
i have to assume that there are only a few
probably mommy and maybe a scum
since dragons seem to be bad guys
we should breadcrumb the rhythm thing right off the bat
see if we can't draw mommy to us
it could be that everyone has an odd/even partner
might be how the support flavor is designed
Patrick Rice
12:55am
Patrick Rice
Only Active Units may use this ability publicly.
Jeremy Rice
12:55am
Jeremy Rice
or it could just be us
Patrick Rice
12:55am
Patrick Rice
That is what it says with Trade command
Jeremy Rice
12:57am
Jeremy Rice
Players with the privilege of private communication can Trade with each other privately during the Day phase. However, this will still count as an action, causing the Trading player to immediately go into Wait mode as normal.
Patrick Rice
12:57am
Patrick Rice
but you can trade privately UP to your active if you are a support
Jeremy Rice
12:57am
Jeremy Rice
yeah
i think we should just drop a line like, "I like the rhythm of this setup" right away
Patrick Rice
12:58am
Patrick Rice
Not a bad idea
Jeremy Rice
12:58am
Jeremy Rice
and see who offers to buddy up to us
Patrick Rice
12:58am
Patrick Rice
yup
Jeremy Rice
12:58am
Jeremy Rice
if it's an even-numbered player, they won't risk losing an action that day
and we can insist in the private chat that they claim first
before we give any info
Patrick Rice
12:59am
Patrick Rice
We can just say "I did not find it ODD that you wanted to pair. Are you EVEN sure you want to be paired with us?"
or something with no caps
shenanigans one way or the other
Jeremy Rice
1:00am
Jeremy Rice
yeah
Patrick Rice
1:00am
Patrick Rice
we'll get a quickchat from the mod when we pair up
You know what?
our first sentence can be "This is an odd setup but I like the rhythm of it at first glance. I'm interested to see how this pairing up mechanic works in practice."
Jeremy Rice
1:02am
Jeremy Rice
i like it
we can also use our character name really easily...
"Nah man, I think this setup rocks."
of course people who have played the game may pick up on that super-easy
but i get the feeling character claims are less useful to people than role claims
so who cares
Patrick Rice
1:04am
Patrick Rice
I would use the word "nah" anyways
Jeremy Rice
1:05am
Jeremy Rice
well, there you go
Patrick Rice
1:05am
Patrick Rice
so w/e
i'll be the one to say the name "nah" at some point Day 1 within 2 RL days
Jeremy Rice
1:06am
Jeremy Rice
deal
Patrick Rice
1:06am
Patrick Rice
someone will flavor call me out and I'll post " I've never played Fire Emblem before. They named a character "nah? Seriously?"
Jeremy Rice
1:06am
Jeremy Rice
we should ask the GM how pairing up works... what if you initiate a pair up wtih someone who isn't interested?
Patrick Rice
1:06am
Patrick Rice
And then SOMEONE will jump on the bait and reply "nah"
and we'll all have a guffaw
Jeremy Rice
1:06am
Jeremy Rice
well, we don't want to throw off the mother
Patrick Rice
1:07am
Patrick Rice
True
Jeremy Rice
1:07am
Jeremy Rice
we want her to buddy, not for her kill, but for the likely town confirm
Patrick Rice
1:07am
Patrick Rice
ok
Jeremy Rice
1:07am
Jeremy Rice
i think holding on to the nokill ability might be a bit too valuable
we'll see how the game goes though
if we look like epic town we may want to support up on someone in order to protect against an NK
Patrick Rice
1:08am
Patrick Rice
I'll msg the mod to ask about how to initiate a pair up and if the pair gets a quickchat or what.
Jeremy Rice
1:08am
Jeremy Rice
if people get major scum reads we have a way to save against a mislynch
Patrick Rice
1:09am
Patrick Rice
yeah
Jeremy Rice
1:09am
Jeremy Rice
right now the plan will be to bait mom to buddy us
so either way, we're unprotected N1
Patrick Rice
1:10am
Patrick Rice
yeah

Jeremy is xatres?

read that all.

questions alter

sooo.

pawn scum replaced ? y/n ?

pawn replaced out for ranmaru.

jeremy is xatres.

Do you feel that this big wall clears us? If so, that should automatically clear zen in your mind. If so, I expect that you'll probably state that you believe me to be town in thread at some point. Perhaps not immediately, because I think we can make RR and and kary dig their own graves if they keep pushing after you give a "i'm leaning town on xastrn right now..." vaguely.

I am really confident that RR is scum. I've had that read all along, and if I had it my way he would have died D1. Him or pawn. But my read on RR was stronger. My play has been so consistently town throughout the entire game and he and kary's best argument is that I'm SO pro-town that I MUST be scum....derp.

OK i have to leave now. I just dropped by my house for a minute.

Yeah i know. Ranmaru idiotic town. No scum is dumb enough to not know who's dead or not .

Big wall of fb chat ? Yeah it made me feel a little better but I mean I'm re-reading you atm so we'll see where it goes.

I dont like the whole "if im clear zens clear thing" but thats because it just seems too clean to me, not saying I can't see it but i need to re read you and zen's interactions together and separately and decide that zen is town as well.

At that point poe is gonna make scum-finding pretty easy I think.

Still not seeing RRscum, he's not playing anywhere near his scum meta and a lot of things your pointing to are null tells on Ryus' part. I'm going over his posts after you guys but I'm having a hard time getting to RRscum atm.

Him being aggressive on you is because people really jsut dont like you broke your own rules. I can't come out and defend you right yet because I've got nothing to offer. That being said if i find you scummy, I'll let you know here first so you can defend yourself to me and orbo and we can have a head to head. if ur town this should be fly to you.

kary might hold water though. maybe kary/sokr/??

Xatres here. Just checking in while I have a minute. Not caught up on thread, so don't expect me to post. Just leaving this here so people don't accuse us of lurking.

Need to discuss with rake. been yard working all afternoon, content later from me.

rake has said it was cool if we tell you guys why the sword would work in our hands.
aka claim, since you confirmed it basically in your chat up there, i think reciprical claiming can be a thing. just dont lay that out to thread just yet

I'm sorry, sometimes I have a hard time understanding your sentences. Not being mean. I just need some help. Are you saying you're going to claim to us?
We've already claimed in thread.

it's okayh, I tend to have my own vernaculat especially when hydraing.
Yes, We are willing to claim to you to explain in specific why we would want the sword and in general the crumbs you mis read us on. Just try to not shoot this into the thread

Agreed.

BTW, I forgot to link the second half of our chatlog from facebook from Night 0. I just realized i had to split it in two because of quicktopic's restrictions.

Jeremy Rice
1:10am
Jeremy Rice
important note: We never tell anyone that we can end the day wtihout a kill
as far as anyone else is concerned, we simple cannot attack on even days
Patrick Rice
1:11am
Patrick Rice
well if they buddy us, we can go support and let someone else choose first blood
agreed
do we tell the mom if we find her?
she'll have the same restriction
Jeremy Rice
1:11am
Jeremy Rice
she'll already know
Patrick Rice
1:11am
Patrick Rice
power
Jeremy Rice
1:11am
Jeremy Rice
and we should tell her to keep it quiet too
Patrick Rice
1:11am
Patrick Rice
she might not realize the power
we'll highlight it and agree to NEVER bring it up
If you use it still don't bring it up
only when town needs to know to win will you bring it up
Jeremy Rice
1:12am
Jeremy Rice
yup
Patrick Rice
1:12am
Patrick Rice
dude by the way, we KILLED that oddworld game.
Jeremy Rice
1:12am
Jeremy Rice
i know, right?
Patrick Rice
1:12am
Patrick Rice
top to bottom
Jeremy Rice
1:13am
Jeremy Rice
i've been looking over all my past games this week
i almost always have one dead-on scum read early on
Patrick Rice
1:14am
Patrick Rice
notice also how our weapon breaks after we use it
Jeremy Rice
1:14am
Jeremy Rice
and then can't get people to lynch them
Patrick Rice
1:14am
Patrick Rice
so we only have 1 shot with out
ours*
Jeremy Rice
1:14am
Jeremy Rice
unless we can talk mommy into giving us her weapon
Patrick Rice
1:14am
Patrick Rice
right
send her active with no weapon even?
Jeremy Rice
1:14am
Jeremy Rice
she stays buddied and unkillable, we get two kills
Patrick Rice
1:15am
Patrick Rice
and that way the weapon is conserved
it'd be smart if we find our pair for us to make first blood trade weapons and then use Switch immediately day 2
so the weapon is saved if mom dies
losing a weapon is almost as bad as losing a townie
Jeremy Rice
1:16am
Jeremy Rice
true
Patrick Rice
1:16am
Patrick Rice
assuming that most players don't have a ton of weapons
Jeremy Rice
1:16am
Jeremy Rice
honestly, i think the best play is to buddy up for as short a time as possible
Patrick Rice
1:16am
Patrick Rice
we are particularly weak in that we only have 1 weapon, it is rather rare, AND we can't kill every Day
Jeremy Rice
1:16am
Jeremy Rice
we'll have to talk this person out of their weapon and into making themselves a scum target
Patrick Rice
1:17am
Patrick Rice
hmm
Jeremy Rice
1:17am
Jeremy Rice
or, if it's someone we can trust (like a legit good player) we give them OUR weapon, play a mad good town game D1, and get NKed on purpose
Patrick Rice
1:17am
Patrick Rice
some townie has to die. go out on your sword by being the voice of the two(THREE) of us
Jeremy Rice
1:17am
Jeremy Rice
leaving behind a player with two weapons
Patrick Rice
1:17am
Patrick Rice
and we'll still have YOUR kill to use day 3/5
Jeremy Rice
1:17am
Jeremy Rice
many good options
Patrick Rice
1:18am
Patrick Rice
but we will have to make it to day 5 to use them both
hey
Jeremy Rice
1:18am
Jeremy Rice
but having a weapon D4 allows for the nokill if we need it
Patrick Rice
1:18am
Patrick Rice
the other person is going to ask to support us if they catch our breadcrumb
Jeremy Rice
1:18am
Jeremy Rice
yes they are
Patrick Rice
1:18am
Patrick Rice
so we will be active day 1
and killable day 2
Jeremy Rice
1:18am
Jeremy Rice
yes we will
Patrick Rice
1:18am
Patrick Rice
N1 i mean
Jeremy Rice
1:18am
Jeremy Rice
yeah
N1 we are vulnerable no matter what
Patrick Rice
1:19am
Patrick Rice
unless we reject the pairup and then immediately request a pairup
with teh same person
Jeremy Rice
1:19am
Jeremy Rice
but then we're left with two townies unable to kill
Patrick Rice
1:19am
Patrick Rice
skipping our kill and letting us both coast D1 and let another townie make first blood
and then we'll kill on days 2 and 3
Jeremy Rice
1:20am
Jeremy Rice
scum will want to kill players who haven't made kills, because they'll be more likely to have usable weapons
townies who kill could get stuck wtih a weapon they need to pawn off
Patrick Rice
1:20am
Patrick Rice
and we can make the kill decisions relatively quickly. as in, just before we expect someone else to do so
Jeremy Rice
1:20am
Jeremy Rice
which might allow a scum to trade
Patrick Rice
1:20am
Patrick Rice
ah
Jeremy Rice
1:21am
Jeremy Rice
we totally want to volunteer to kill ASAP if we want to live
Patrick Rice
1:21am
Patrick Rice
well
let's not be hasty
Jeremy Rice
1:21am
Jeremy Rice
well, not like... first 24 hours
Patrick Rice
1:21am
Patrick Rice
an eagerness to kill is not always a pro-town move
Jeremy Rice
1:21am
Jeremy Rice
but you know what i mean
it's like the hammerer mechanic in oddworld, really
we want to hammer
Patrick Rice
1:21am
Patrick Rice
and the problem is that if there are 2 or 3 small wagons or potential wagons and then we call dibs on the kill
then it looks like we're trying to clear people who agree with us
well that we're trying to protect the wagons that we're not on, I mean
does that make sense? sorry my brain is a little fuzzy from a mule kick this morning
Jeremy Rice
1:22am
Jeremy Rice
no it makes sense
Patrick Rice
1:23am
Patrick Rice
but if Nibbler is anything like a TREE, than those rings might indicate his age
Chea, well, it would take some kind of a GENIUS to count all those rings....
...he's five.
Jeremy Rice
1:23am
Jeremy Rice
ideally we'll organize town from the get-go to not kill until there's consesus
create a makeshift voting sytem
Patrick Rice
1:23am
Patrick Rice
futurama quotes muthafuka
pay attention
Jeremy Rice
1:23am
Jeremy Rice
sorrys on
*sorry son
Patrick Rice
1:24am
Patrick Rice
organizing a killing system with any consent will be what creates all of people's scumlists D1
breaking it once you've established it will likely look scummy D3 or D4
I'm unsure if we want to take the reins on D1
i say no
I want to hide just a little bit
just a bit
ask some questions, make some general FOS, point out WIFOM in people's arguments, etc.
Jeremy Rice
1:27am
Jeremy Rice
well, my general technique is to chill out D1 and watch, eventually moving into logic machining as the game heats up
Patrick Rice
1:27am
Patrick Rice
wagoning hard D1 might not be all that good for us. Depends on if we decide to kill D1.
I'd prefer to kill D3.
We only get to use THIS weapon once, and I want to use it when we have some info.
Jeremy Rice
1:28am
Jeremy Rice
true
Patrick Rice
1:28am
Patrick Rice
So we should not try to look obv-town
Jeremy Rice
1:28am
Jeremy Rice
it depends on if we can get mommy to give us her weapon or not
Patrick Rice
1:28am
Patrick Rice
so scum will avoid us N1
Jeremy Rice
1:29am
Jeremy Rice
if so, we should volunteer to hammer whoever town agrees on D1
Patrick Rice
1:29am
Patrick Rice
and honestly, if we get killed N1, it's not bad for the town. we're likely to be one of the weakest roles out there tbh
Jeremy Rice
1:29am
Jeremy Rice
with 12 people, we're not guaranteed to reach D5
Patrick Rice
1:29am
Patrick Rice
right
so it has to be 1 or 3
which means I want to be hiding N2
Jeremy Rice
1:29am
Jeremy Rice
but if you break support D3, don't you switch to wait mode?
Patrick Rice
1:29am
Patrick Rice
no matte what
Jeremy Rice
1:30am
Jeremy Rice
oh oh oh
we can switch with mom
Patrick Rice
1:30am
Patrick Rice
Switch, not Separate
Jeremy Rice
1:30am
Jeremy Rice
i forgot about that
man, that's tricksy
i'm really worried about drawing the kill N1, like you said
if we want to remain buddied, we might look like we're confirming each other
so scum might want to kill us
unless they stupidly make a case with that as evidence
but then we have a backup plan
man... someone is going to paranoid gun owner this crap during the day
be about to die and just blow away their highest scumpick
we HAVE to start this game by laying down ground rules for townies
Patrick Rice
1:34am
Patrick Rice
Yep
Jeremy Rice
1:34am
Jeremy Rice
that means agreeing on hammers and no townie can panic and blow people away
Patrick Rice
1:34am
Patrick Rice
that whole "i'm han solo and I shoot first" bit will be scary
Jeremy Rice
1:34am
Jeremy Rice
if they want to be useful before death, they can buddy, pass off their weapons, separate, and then accept death
Patrick Rice
1:34am
Patrick Rice
but as soon as someone is pretty much agreed on as the target, he will shoot
but buddying doesn't confirm the townhood of their buddy
Jeremy Rice
1:35am
Jeremy Rice
yeah, we can't just lie low D1... this has to be set up from the get go
Patrick Rice
1:35am
Patrick Rice
so they will argue that it isn't in their best interest to blindly pass weapons along
Jeremy Rice
1:35am
Jeremy Rice
like... no RVS
we go straight to this
it will provoke conversation
and then we can try to fade away and observe if we can
Patrick Rice
1:35am
Patrick Rice
no one will stick to it
would you?
if we become a target day 1 and we're about to be killed, you had better believe I'm shooting first on the way out
Jeremy Rice
1:36am
Jeremy Rice
and if you hit a townie?
Patrick Rice
1:36am
Patrick Rice
if i hit scum, then I'm obvtown for life
Jeremy Rice
1:36am
Jeremy Rice
you've kind of screwed town
Patrick Rice
1:36am
Patrick Rice
if i hit town, then people are pissed and I die worthless d2 and town is effed
Jeremy Rice
1:36am
Jeremy Rice
scum will let you live and we'll still get daykilled the next day
Patrick Rice
1:37am
Patrick Rice
but if we're paired, that means that there is likely 4 scum (3 + 1 indie?) and only 6 town
so we have a 40% chance if we shoot dice and kill that person
but with whatever info we gather (and you and I ALWAYS find scum D1), we will likely hit scum of some sort
Jeremy Rice
1:38am
Jeremy Rice
maybe
i still say policy should be not to han solo
for town, at least
and i think we should be reasonably commmitted to avoiding it ourselevs
i don't know
yeah, it HAS to be a PARAMOUNT rule
if a noob tries to pull that crap we're boned
Patrick Rice
1:39am
Patrick Rice
right
Jeremy Rice
1:39am
Jeremy Rice
or if we're wrong, we're screwed
Patrick Rice
1:39am
Patrick Rice
so we have to make it a HUGE rule
Jeremy Rice
1:40am
Jeremy Rice
the biggest
Patrick Rice
1:40am
Patrick Rice
and make a big deal about the %s being the deciding factor
and then if we find a buddy and one of us is about to be killed, we shoot first, because we KNOW we'll lose a townie if we don't, and we'll be like 60% likely to hit scum if we han solo
Jeremy Rice
1:41am
Jeremy Rice
well, we should try to wait to switch until the end of a day
then only one player can take heat
Patrick Rice
1:42am
Patrick Rice
so we'll be the only person who breaks the rule, and then we pretty much HAVE to role claim either way and let our partner shoot D2, so then we are pretty much worthless and then we'll go active to hide townies if we can confirm some of them
Jeremy Rice
1:42am
Jeremy Rice
we can use to switch to defuse the situation
say we enter D2 as active... suddenly we're getting heat and town is going to hammer us... SWITCH, now we're unkillable
Patrick Rice
1:44am
Patrick Rice
we look SO scummy that way
but that's sort of ok
Jeremy Rice
1:44am
Jeremy Rice
better than a mislynch
Patrick Rice
1:44am
Patrick Rice
because our team mate will make another kill
and then we are just worthless waiting to be killed, with no weapons we can use
NO
we can cause a nolynch
so we still can play a role
Jeremy Rice
1:45am
Jeremy Rice
well, yeah, in the D2 scenario
Patrick Rice
1:45am
Patrick Rice
yeah
Jeremy Rice
1:45am
Jeremy Rice
man, this game is complicated
Patrick Rice
1:45am
Patrick Rice
yeah
imagine being solo
we will by default be the most prepared for this game of all the players
Jeremy Rice
1:46am
Jeremy Rice
indeed
Patrick Rice
1:46am
Patrick Rice
I think it'd be interesting to secretly hydra a game
well, I've sort of done that
i guess
but never very actively
Jeremy Rice
1:47am
Jeremy Rice
when did you secretly hydra?
Patrick Rice
1:47am
Patrick Rice
just chatting with your or jason when you were playing solo and keeping up on the game and posts and commenting on my reads
Jeremy Rice
1:48am
Jeremy Rice
gotcha
okay, i'm going to head to bed in a few
but to review
our gameplan:
1) Breadcrumb for mommy.
2) Lay down the LAW.
3) Sit back, analyze, contribute without drawing NK
4) Allow mommy to buddy if possible, take her stuff.
Patrick Rice
1:52am
Patrick Rice
sounds good
Jeremy Rice
1:52am
Jeremy Rice
5) If we DO get mommy's stuff, volunteer to hammer D1.
Patrick Rice
1:53am
Patrick Rice
is there a chance that mommy could be scum?
Jeremy Rice
1:53am
Jeremy Rice
i suppose its always possible
but i'd like to think the setup was designed for us to pair
Patrick Rice
1:53am
Patrick Rice
i agree
we're supposed to find each other for an advantage
it shouldn't work against us to breadcrumb for each other
unless he needed to make scum more powerful to counter-balance something uber on town's side
Jeremy Rice
1:54am
Jeremy Rice
can't really speculate on that too much though
Patrick Rice
1:54am
Patrick Rice
so he could play us as a tool to feed to scum
right
i'd say we bet the bank on both being town
Jeremy Rice
1:55am
Jeremy Rice
i'd say giving us a rare weapon and a unique restriction, and mentioning mom from the get-go was enough to assume she's town
Patrick Rice
1:55am
Patrick Rice
and if we're wrong, i'm down with losing
Jeremy Rice
1:57am
Jeremy Rice
okay, for real leaving, but consider this D2 gambit: Draw out an easy wagon on ourselves, seeing who jumps on, knowing we can use the no-kill if it spirals out of control
i've never used a gambit before
not sure if i even want to
but it's an option
Patrick Rice
2:01am
Patrick Rice
nokill is usually bad
because it means only scum get a kill that Day
if we can save ourselves, we don't prove we're town.
Well, if a scum role could just end a day then it would be OP
as hell
so we Attack: Xastrn
Jeremy Rice
2:02am
Jeremy Rice
yup
Patrick Rice
2:02am
Patrick Rice
targetting ourselves
and nothing happens
no one claims a roleblock
and we can claim unlynchable or some ****
or just let it ride
or claim truth
Jeremy Rice
2:03am
Jeremy Rice
again, i'm not sure if i like the gambit idea
i don't like it when townies lie in general
just putting it out there
okay
for realz, i'm going to bed
we have a solid plan for D1
and that's all that matters right now
Patrick Rice
2:04am
Patrick Rice
deal
Jeremy Rice
2:04am
Jeremy Rice
OH, we should also watch for people fishing to find out what weapons other people have
Patrick Rice
2:04am
Patrick Rice
day starts Sunday right?
Jeremy Rice
2:04am
Jeremy Rice
it'll be a thief tell
yup
Patrick Rice
2:05am
Patrick Rice
So that gives us time to talk more
I want to have a post drafted
so that whichever of us gets to it first can post it as soon as possible when D1 starts
Jeremy Rice
2:05am
Jeremy Rice
deal
Patrick Rice
2:05am
Patrick Rice
That outlines our plan
So no shenanigans begin before we establish those rules
then we'll say, proceed as normal. FOS away since we can't Vote
and we'll take the backburner on wagons and contribute what we can but nothing big
we'll be a BIG target N1 if scum gets scared
they might not think of the issue of killing only players with active weapons.
or they might think it's reasonable for us to have 2 balls. (yuk yuk)
Jeremy Rice
2:07am
Jeremy Rice
lolololololollol
(not really)
okay, i'm peacing out
toodloo, sonny jim
Patrick Rice
2:08am
Patrick Rice
shalom
Today
Patrick Rice
5:33pm
Patrick Rice
I'm going to try to read recent mafia games that include many of the players in our current game and look for scum tells and all of that. I'm not sure if I want to read the results first so I know what I'm looking at, or just read it blind and test my intuition on them.
Give me your thoughts.
Patrick Rice
5:39pm
Patrick Rice
I'm reading stats someone has compiled that demonstrate that on average, mafia is winning more games in D-Games. 46%-42%, with the rest going soly to indie. That's a significant difference.
So mods are on average designing games to be a little skewed in favor of scum, it appears.
Jeremy Rice
5:49pm
Jeremy Rice
i think theme-heavy games are tricksy for town in general

In hindsight, I should have replaced our names for the sake of privacy and whatnot, but smashers know we are Rices. M3D is our older brother, B-Run is another, and the Rice brothers were some of the pioneers in competitive smash. M3D started the tournament scene in MD/DC/VA area, where azen, chillindude, chu dat, etc are all from, and then he went on to get Melee on the MLG circuit which is responsible for it's huge growth from there forward. I was a tournament organizer influential in the early brawl era in the midwest. Xatres and B-Run were instrumental in those early years east coast as well as very good tourney players for years.

It's nbd. Just don't post or give away our real names, if you don't mind. No specific reasons, other than it's nice to have a little privacy.

It's not like im going to stalk you lol

Also you may wanna tune it down, objectively it does read as if your trying to pick fights to some extent which is just gonna make people too frustrated to read your posts.

I think your best bet really is to make this between you and another slot. I noticed your still on RR and thats good but given the choice i think people will take rr over you, it'd be better for you to gear towards kary if you think him and rr are together. I actually need to talk to orbo because i dont think we've paid kary enough mind

At best xast, if today does end with you dying. (I'm still largely on the border with your play and orbo's much the same, ironically i'm one saying i don't think you'd go that balls deep. ) It's just i can't ignore what other people bring against you just because my gut says as scum you wouldnt have the balls to go straight for the unbreakable weapon and break your own rules in teh process. But at least we get a zen clear out of it which is actually huge given that his alignment is always up in the air

Although i will say here that i think people are looking too closely at how mechanical your play reads as instead of trying to meat out the content like im trying to atm

Now, about the claim stuff orbo talked about, we didn't want to out this in thread quite, but we don't mind if you quote it. we are a form of Vengeful, essentially, when we are attacked (day or night) we attack our attacker first. This is why we chose to play extremely townie, and crumb investigative and doc, in order to draw nk notice and get scum down. However, weapons break after one use as you well know. We figure unbreakable weapon and the fact that me and orbo are a huge late game threat, scum kills themselves trying to kill us.

The ****ty thing is we can't actually daykill without being attacked. We had actually talked about claiming extremely early anyway if we did draw the nk, but we essentially realized that sometimes our town game gets hated on (especially recently) and we felt like if it happened again it was in towns best interest to know that shooting us was bad. Even though we'd be a technical liability if it was that way

Did you want role name too ?

Sure, the role name would be nice.

I'm not sure I entirely understand your role, but let me roll it around in my head.

Can you tell me if, in the event of an attack, do you still die, or is this a paranoid gun-owner so both players die?

I'm Owain.

It actually doesn't specify in our pm. It just says if we're attacked, we attack first.
So i'd gamble we still die. Me and orbo figure this is in place for some sort of piercing ability (i think someone touched on this in thread too ) , or that we're essentially a fancy bomb/vengeful.

its actually night only, and we attack first. unbreakable weapon basically akes us unkillable.
we are owain.

ninja, rake read more carefully lol

i thought it was both. huh my b i coulda swornm remembering it was both

this is why i should re-read role pm's instead of going off memory mfw

id say screw reading memory should enough but apparently not ;-;

Word to the wise, Orbo runs night actions and roles for fml.

Hey i help too !

Also mfw i remember why i stopped playing league now

you guys are cracking me up.
I wish I knew who was posting when. I have no idea which of you is which, all this time.

see we're too alike me and orbo in a lot of sense, this is why. me and orbo discussed this and we've concluded that we are the same brain in two people lol

ok. I'll chat with xatres about it more and try to get my mind around it. seems like a sweet power role.

Also, usually the one who is posting will reference the other. or at least we try to, like right now , this is rake. I also make significantly less spelling errors than orbo

haha ok. I'll keep that in mind.

Oh and im the one that plays league entirely too much.
so any reference to lol ever, and it's a post by me

im also super absent minded and fogetful so any post that seems like it has a million different ideas in it is probably mine lol

We can try to start marking our posts back here ha ha.
We quite enjoy mind****ing people with who is post posting what and often just transition seamlessly from person to person.I also tend to make shorter posts than rake in general but we bicker in thread all the time.
~Orbo

Thats becuase im always right and orbo never believes me. See: OS's game; The Wall.

Orbo's right too though.

Sometimes

Ive been right ever since then aside from sephimaf

A point needs to be made, and it needs to be made by you.

A day is wasted if it's focused all on one player. It leaves D3 with no interactions between other players about other issues. It is in town's best interest for us to slow down and look around.

I think you should make this post, not us. It will cement what I think is a good read on you: that you are town, and you are thinking rationally. I'm stuck on Kary, and you want me to bring discussion around onto him. I'm working on it. but i can't just lash out because it will look like desperation, and it will be dumb for toDay to end with another townie dead all because kary and Ryu got away with tunneling so hard with no opposition.

You stating this will cement your status as town AND it will help turn things around onto Kary.

you should dismiss calls to separate for now. No one will kill you for it. Just tell them you think it's dumb to let a shot get fired this early in this case, and you agree that we can't waste our day just quickshooting based on the tunnel of two players.

I really want Kary to stop playing so poorly if he's town, or to get called out on MAD scummy behavior if he's scum.

I think for now you should let town know you have a soft read on me as town FOR NOW, depending on D3, but that doesn't mean you won't separate if your read changes. This will get them to stop tunneling and HAVE to look around. When they do, Kary is the one looking like the fool.

Can you do this? It will cement you and slow them down on me, AND swing attention on kary. This is win win win for both of us.

Talking to rake. Am in favor of this actually

When kary flips scum we'll both look really good. I think you'll look good no matter the flip. but kary scum could NEVER be bussing me this hard, right? I would NEVER believe my slot was scum if I saw a kary flip scum. Not in a million games. Maybe I am just too vanilla and don't think outside the box enough. I don't have the balls to make crazy plays like that. I play straight.

I think the reason that we have heat is because the metagame these days is all backwards. Everyone thinks that pro-town behavior MUST be scum hiding, and risky crazy anti-town behavior is town being ryker...
I don't even know, guys. This isn't how mafia was played 2 or 3 years ago on this site. Maybe I'll change things up next game. My best way of doing so is probably to hydra with someone more ballsy and run with them, so people can get used to my meta being more flexible depending on my partner.

Yeah I've managed to satiate orbo a little bit by showing him my hand, but you have to know that the outlook isn't too bright atm, it's hard for me to pin down what you've really done right when it's all been analyzed already. and especially because i wasn't really a fan of your early d1 myself.

We can try to swing the focus, but it might not satiate the blood lust on you, at best it will abate it for a while i think. Eventually people are just gonna get tired of waiting when your death technically gives us a lot in terms of interactions, motives and the rest. In fact you dying and flipping town would probably do more than we ever could, because then people would look to your attackers and see your points as true through and through

See me later i'm about as crazy as it gets

Honestly right now even in the best layout, you probably die before kary does.

I'm not gonna bs yeah, i'm nt that amazing and laying out why i feel a certain way, it's my one kryptonite as town, both in helping town reads and lynching scum one's, I'm not a overally convincing guy cuz i bounce a lot and dont make a lot of sense. But I try

Also, just looking god on him flipping isn't enough. I bet more people have you as individually scummy than neccessarily scum with kary. A lot of people in swftown think of individually scummy as more telling and they tend to not prioritize interaction analysis due to it.

And even the ones who do believe scum kary are invested enough in you by now that the goggles make him at best a sidedish. They look back after and decide to se the interactions, instead of before

Thats a post now. It should help push people off a few days

Best post ever. You just changed this whole game. You're right, btw. Potassium is the only person on my case that actually made a case. My hat is off to him for that. I've said this all game: bring the heat, but at least bring a real case so I can discuss the points.

you did great. D2 is not lost after all.

Idk swftown has a big fetish for bonerjousting and i blame a lot of that for how good kuzi and ryker were back in the day.
But yea lets get **** out of today. I realize you arent posting right now but i might be up for a bit yet so idea bounce with me if you need it

I think you can refuse to separate and we can have ourselves a kill at a real target. They will be FORCED to make choices and have conversations that aren't focused on us. That's good for you and good for me. You clearly have your head on straight. You made what is probably the best post in the game so far just now, and you can lead us to victory, even if you just keep us behind you for one day.

I'll check with xatres on this tomorrow but right now I'm thinking we'll trade you the falchion if you don't separate. It will be yours, and then you'll apparently be unstoppable. Keep us alive for this one day and we'll get that blade to you.

Ooooooohhhh **** blocking town for unkillableness mad tempting.
You are tempting my inner communistic dictator right now xd

Ran change of words from vig may have shot ryker to scum shot him interesting

Like,what makes him change his mind on him that suddenly where instead of hypothwtical shooter its def scum who shot him

Man that bribery though

xast, lemme ask you something.

Did you legitimately read sokr as town off that one post ? Or was that posturing ? I have such a hard time seeing why you liked sokr at the time when you disliked kantrip in the same moment. I honestly felt that what you said was scummy about kantrip applied to sokr.

I legitimately read sokr as town, although I knew that it was only based on one post. I just liked that post, and it tipped him towards town. People ask for reads, and when I HAVE to give a read off of one post, I'll just say what I think.

Everyone harps on the wrong stuff in mafia these days.

I don't know what I think about Potassium at this point. Xatres and I need to talk more.
What's your read on him?

I usually just tell them hes had one post the hell is he doing anywhere but null?
Nulltown,rake never misreads kantrip so im going by his gut.

Why are you turning it to a "xast needs to go so we get his flip" now? We have a plan. It's the one you asked for. Flip things around on Kary, cement you as town, and you get our falchion instead of either sokr or potassium who might make the kill. Any talk about separating soon is counter-productive to your plan and ours.

Be smart. I'm offering you everything you are asking for in return for your ability to get town back on track for today.

Because im not entirely sure either is scum and i cant do a damn thing about it. You dying clears zen and i would love to have a clear zen over you being a massive cloud of confusion.preventing town from.working together. Falchion bribe also tad bit scummy there. Very little way to swing anything but your death and none that i care to fight through. Doing it this way,sokr doesnt want to shoot tou so we get to see motivation at work here and see what happens

Just keep things moving slow and don't make promises to them.

I understand if you think the bribe is scummy. I knew that was a potential read when I made the potential offer. It's just the nature of the game that things can be read in both directions.

Does my facebook chat with Xatres make you feel more of a town read on me or not? It's a good idea to read it all.

I didnt realize there was a second half posted. Any pre pm is null and idr most of the rest tbh

Ehhhh.
Nothing too.leaning to this head on a read through of it.

The question in your mind is "did they fabricate this, or is it genuine?"

The answer to that question tells you the answer to whether or not we are scum.

My guy says no,my head says possible.
Let me talk to Rake.
Also post separating we cant talk here lol. Circus is gonna get to that tonight.
Kary scum talk bouncing though. Spurred by my unpairing.

Yeah, no more communicating here. The pairing was severed about 8 hours ago.

I'm not kicking anybody in any Pair Ups when a Separation occurs because I want the players involved to retain access to their private posts, and kicking people would block them from the conversations entirely. So I expect some self-restraint on this.

 

[Kantrip]

Xastrn can you multiquote and post the actual log of all that going down so we can see it in context?

 

[Kantrip]

ninja'd again, he did it

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Xastrn, why the hell would you out him being a vengeful townie?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Based on yesterDay, we had only soft scum-leans on FML and Potassium.

You called us strong town you tard. Good try.
I'd do the rest but rake is bored and wants to do it,

 

[Xastrn]

That first blurb was a copy pasta error. Ignore it.

I spoilered the entire FML private convo. It includes xatres and i talking on facebook before and after we get our role PM.

**** I forgot to edit our names out again.

Well, you can all pretend you don't know who we are. I'm Patrick, he's Jeremy. We wreck ****.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Actually I'm on the throne atm

 

[Death Mountain]

actually wait ninja'd

How did this not go through?

Anyways, you didn't answer my question. How would me flipping town affect your reads on Ryu and Zen? You have also neglected to comment on the Zen case. That's the most important part here. For example here, I get the vibe that you are saying "Yeah I disagree with your read, so you can be shot". That's all the 'reasoning' I get, and that's not a good feeling.

Also Rajam is catching up, so please don't actually quick shoot without giving him time to post comments. More the better. Thanks.

I also see that if I put more effort in digging up evidence on my reads, that people would simply gloss it over. Obviously at this point no one will listen. So please look back on it in the future. Yep..

Anyways I'm out, have homework to do.

 

[Xastrn]

Xastrn, why the hell would you out him being a vengeful townie?

If you read the convo, FML gives us permission to quote it in thread.

Now, about the claim stuff orbo talked about, we didn't want to out this in thread quite, but we don't mind if you quote it.

 

[Xastrn]

Xastrn, why the hell would you out him being a vengeful townie?

Because he's not. He's scum. Fake claim was fake.

Kary, you should make sure you shoot before Potassium does. It's your life or his at this point, honestly. Or let him live and kill someone else if you really think that's the best play with all of this on the table.

You're in the thread right now watching. He is not.


tick, tick, tick tick....

 

[Death Mountain]

Hola

Can I kill people?