Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia | GAME OVER: Not Equal To The Challenge

[Kantrip]

already did kaantrp. I'm actually thinking ran is a legit shot atm. my town read on him may have beewn too presumptuous, so im re-reading him atm. Would be fine with kary gone too though

Oh yeah I forgot, woops

Okay cool

 

[Kantrip]

Ok I want Kantrip or Dabuz to pair with me if one or the other is not shooting.

I want my shot to stay available.

Try to get a read on dabuz, would ya? Thanks

 

[Kantrip]

already did kaantrp. I'm actually thinking ran is a legit shot atm. my town read on him may have beewn too presumptuous, so im re-reading him atm. Would be fine with kary gone too though

And iirc you had a solid pawnscum read?

 

[Xastrn]

There was quite a bit of discussion before the following interaction between Potassium and FML, but I'll just put the important part down:

Sure.

ToDay though, help me level between Xastrn/Zen scum or Kary scum.

Does one eliminate the other?
I need to talk to rake first,but initial feelings are kary>xast>zen

Yes. A scumflip from one eliminates the other, a townflip from one condemns the other.

TvS here

@Potassium: To answer your question, YES, you have been setting up TvS between us and Kary the entire Day.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh I actually forgot about that point.

To say Ive been setting it up all Day is wrong though, because I've already realized you and Zen are not a team, rendering that whole thing moot. Because it's not Zen/Xastrn vs Kary anymore.

It's Kary vs Ran, with you and Zen on the back burner

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Well this whole situation is ********. w/e. If I was scum here, I have so many ways to avoid being shot it's ridiculous. Anyways.

Going to wait for dabuz to get here if RR wants to pair.

Kinda curious what Ran has to say as well.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kanty, you think Ran and I is TvS?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

yeah his lurkness really set me off early game. i also tried to talk to people about his replacement timing being right as heat was on him in thread but no one really paid it much mind. I really only passed off ran because he posted a scum case on dead raz, but that could've easily just been excitement. at first i wrote it off as dumb town ran(thinking scum would know who';s dead right). But now it's kinda like: maybe he chose not to check in because last time he was scum he took his mates with him iirc

 

[Xastrn]

@Potassium: I don't see how we should feel as if we have no time. Several people, yourself included, have backed off on the desired bloodbath. Even RR backed off and said he wasn't sure we were the play anymore.

Also, I fail to see how showing you setting up a TvS argument between us and Kary is irrelevant. The case against us has lost a lot of steam as the Day has done by. You've failed to offer any logical reasoning why you disagree with our arguments about the Odd/Even pairing, outside of laying down the opposite as a possibility. Now the heat is off of us, you're threatening Kary and posturing like your going to shoot. Don't say you weren't. You asked for a claim. That's what people do to others when they are about to lynch them.

Say you are scum and you DO plan on shooting us or Kary. Wouldn't town have something to gain by us pointing out that you are setting up a false TvS argument to use the next Day? Why threaten us when we offer to prove that this is what you are doing?

 

[Kantrip]

Kanty, you think Ran and I is TvS?

Not in a way that a flip from one of you tells me anything about the other, no.

I dislike both of your slots and there's not much connecting you for me.

 

[Kantrip]

@Potassium: I don't see how we should feel as if we have no time. Several people, yourself included, have backed off on the desired bloodbath. Even RR backed off and said he wasn't sure we were the play anymore.

Also, I fail to see how showing you setting up a TvS argument between us and Kary is irrelevant. The case against us has lost a lot of steam as the Day has done by. You've failed to offer any logical reasoning why you disagree with our arguments about the Odd/Even pairing, outside of laying down the opposite as a possibility. Now the heat is off of us, you're threatening Kary and posturing like your going to shoot. Don't say you weren't. You asked for a claim. That's what people do to others when they are about to lynch them.

Say you are scum and you DO plan on shooting us or Kary. Wouldn't town have something to gain by us pointing out that you are setting up a false TvS argument to use the next Day? Why threaten us when we offer to prove that this is what you are doing?

You are TOWN to me now.

I am not setting up a TvS thing anymore. I am asking Kary to claim because I do have intentions to shoot him, but you don't play into this at all.

I have dropped it, your point is null and void.

 

[Kantrip]

Now please, what is your read on Ran and why? What do you think of Zen's case? Do you think he should be the one to go toDay? Stop distracting from the subject.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

plus i touched on before how empty i felt ran was being right when he first camne in thread, but i let it upon callling him town and tried to look aat him from that angle. Now zen and other's bring it up again and I'[m like: dafuq rake i shoulda looked harder at this cuz clearly there is **** here worth looking at

 

[Kantrip]

yeah his lurkness really set me off early game. i also tried to talk to people about his replacement timing being right as heat was on him in thread but no one really paid it much mind. I really only passed off ran because he posted a scum case on dead raz, but that could've easily just been excitement. at first i wrote it off as dumb town ran(thinking scum would know who';s dead right). But now it's kinda like: maybe he chose not to check in because last time he was scum he took his mates with him iirc

I believe that Ran actually did start making his cases before Night was over.

I don't know why he still thought posting the Raz one was a good idea after seeing him dead, though

 

[#HBC | Kary]

So even if I shoot Ran, you're going to be aiming for me tomorrow, right?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP * and he flips scum

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Idk. I need to re-read him again I think and figure if his other posts don't outweigh the dumbtown I had labelled him as. Right now though I have to say i agree with him going just based off gut. Xast still of concern, kary too.

 

[Kantrip]

So even if I shoot Ran, you're going to be aiming for me tomorrow, right?

Not necessarily true at all.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

I believe that Ran actually did start making his cases before Night was over.

I don't know why he still thought posting the Raz one was a good idea after seeing him dead, though

yeah idk i thought it was just so dumb no scum would be caught with their pants down on information but ran's not exactly that great at scum. I could easily see him writing up a huge case to quell the fire on his slot and posting it without reading the thread as scum.

I could even see him avoiding his scum qt so that he didnt come into the thread appearing biased. and making his first post like, the climb back up ya know

 

[Xastrn]

@Potato: Dastrn and I are going to confer on our Ran reads and try to get a post up within the next 2 hours or so. We're trying to avoid hydra shenanigans by not offering contradictory information (you'll get no "orbo, you fool!" from us). Given that there is still plenty of time before the deadline, I hope this is acceptable.

 

[Kantrip]

In fact Kary, if you shoot Ran and he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about you. I don't see you agreeing to waste your weapon killing off your scummate when you have other easy outs of this ultimatum I'm giving you.

So I guess a Ran scumflip would make you town.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

In fact Kary, if you shoot Ran and he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about you. I don't see you agreeing to waste your weapon killing off your scummate when you have other easy outs of this ultimatum I'm giving you.

So I guess a Ran scumflip would make you town.

You're making assumptions about the setup though.

 

[Kantrip]

You're making assumptions about the setup though.

I am? Like what?

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ran will do later.
FML do you not think it's odd that Kantrip has been playing up how we was going to kill and is avoiding it? Him and Sokr are both refusing to attack. Is this not odd to you?

we'll see if he follow through. if he doesn't thats a big kantrip cloud of doubt i'll have over my head. especially wrt what you said about soup (although two different players so *shrug) but moreso cuz of what i remember kantplay played like that time.

Sokr being waffly unsurprising he's been that way all day. Not sure if it's scummy yet but i know my guts said so far i prolly shouldnt like it

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You're not saying that I wouldn't shoot Ran as his scumbuddy. You're saying,

"oh, scum have this many weapons, or weapons are this important to scum, so we can tell that so-and-so wouldn't have wasted this weapon"

You don't actually know anything about what weapons scum have and etc.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ran will do later.
FML do you not think it's odd that Kantrip has been playing up how we was going to kill and is avoiding it? Him and Sokr are both refusing to attack. Is this not odd to you?

No. I see him drowning out the day phase. He never said he was going to shoot immediately.

. Scum didn't really have any reason to slow down what appeared to be an easy lynch.

Because scum never does what scum doesnt have a reason to do. Except to have people say "scum would never do that!' and laugh in post game.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Orbo you fool!!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR town. Ryu, what do you think of Potassium? I've noticed in my reread that the majority of his focus this game has been on Xast, and has used most connections just to go back to Xast. I understand tunneling can be town, but it hurts town IMO because a lot of the content ends up being focused on Xast which leads us no where except back to Xast.

You should pair up with me, you gotta initiate it so I am in front.

 

[Dabuz]

You should pair up with me, you gotta initiate it so I am in front.

Catching up atm but I can dig this.

Pair up: Red Ryu

 

[Kantrip]

You're not saying that I wouldn't shoot Ran as his scumbuddy. You're saying,

"oh, scum have this many weapons, or weapons are this important to scum, so we can tell that so-and-so wouldn't have wasted this weapon"

You don't actually know anything about what weapons scum have and etc.

What I'm saying is that if you shoot Ran, your weapon is going to break.

If he flips scum, I don't think you would be scum with him. I'm not saying you only have 1 weapon, but using one up on your scumpartner is not very optimal and I just don't think you'd do it. I would definitely feel better about you

 

[Kantrip]

You're not saying that I wouldn't shoot Ran as his scumbuddy. You're saying,

"oh, scum have this many weapons, or weapons are this important to scum, so we can tell that so-and-so wouldn't have wasted this weapon"

You don't actually know anything about what weapons scum have and etc.

So to simplify what I'm trying to say:

You wouldn't shoot Ran as his scumbuddy

 

[Xastrn]

I'm here now. Xatres and I will be talking while I catch up. I cancelled my jiu jitsu class tonight, so if you'll be kind, show us some patience while I read and talk. Xatres said there was a bit of pressure for info. We'll provide it asap.

 

[Sokr]

@Zen and FML, I didn't refuse to shoot at all. I just refused to shoot Xastrn.

 

[Circus]

Death Mountain replaces Ranmaru!

Current Roster:
Kary supported by: Zen
Red Ryu supported by: dabuz
Death Mountain
Sokr
FullMetalLynch
Xastrn
Potassium

Actions Taken:

Day 1

• Ryker Pairs Up with Raziek at 5:23am EST, 10/27/13
• soup Pairs Up with Colonel Stars Zen at 11:39am EST, 10/27/13
• Potassium Pairs Up with Sokr at 8:30pm EST, 10/27/13
• FullMetalLynch Pairs Up with Red Ryu at 2:29am EST, 10/28/13
• Zen Separates from soup at 6:06pm EST, 10/30/13
• Xastrn Attacks soup at 6:10pm EST, 10/30/13

Day 2

• Red Ryu Separates from FullMetalLynch at 12:07am EST, 11/02/13
• Xastrn Pairs Up with FullMetalLynch at 1:35am EST, 11/02/13
• Zen Pairs Up with Kary at 3:27am EST, 11/03/13
• FullMetalLynch Separates from Xastrn at 1:26pm EST, 11/03/13
• Sokr Separates from Potassium at 5:23pm EST, 11/03/13
• dabuz Pairs Up with Red Ryu at 5:58pm EST, 11/04/13

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Who can still act today?

Ran, kary and Kantrip/dabuz can all shoot iirc.

FML you should separate from Xastrn so you can pair up with me toMorrow. That way I'll have my action and can shoot to prove I'm capable.

(In the case that Kary shoots Ran toDay)

We already have. We have been separated and I told you that yesterday.
Ruy kantrip is pairing with us tomorrow. Dabuz pairing up is cool by us though, one of kantrip or kary is shooting.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Ninjas and ****

@Zen and FML, I didn't refuse to shoot at all. I just refused to shoot Xastrn.

But you seperated so that is your day action for today.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

oh hey dabuz is paired up.

 

[Dabuz]

Zen, what are your thoughts regarding Xast's and your roles coinciding due to the even/ odd mechanic? Are you in agreement with Xast that it's likely you are both town because of the roles?

Let's look at this specifically. You say you agree with my suspicion, but find it odd that he 'picks it up' and I don't change my read. Should I? I have reasons for not changing my read. Right now he's just re-reading, he isn't really pushing on Xast when he found some mechanic thing that might be suspicious to him.

Anyways, obviously if scum have played bad, they would try to 'pick up' their play, so I say "Well I see he may be trying to get into the game more so he isn't viewed as scum", but I don't say that is the reason for keeping my scumread on him. I'm just not relieved of my concern.

This is why I asked Dabuz about why he is re-reading Kantrip.

The reasons I haven't' kept up Xast pressure are that my primary suspicion comes from mechanics combined with his shot, there's not much more pressure to be had based on that and he's been enough of a focus anyway this game.

The second is as long as FML doesn't want to switch with him due to a townread, he won't be a target, so pushing his avenue is null.

I realize Xastrn has proven to us he is a manakete.

Grima is a manakete.

You're saying Grima is on the scumteam?

IIRC, Grima does not need a dragonstone to attack.

What's stopping scum from having those weapons, exactly?

The dragonstone and Odd Rhythm can exist without the other.

Proving your weapon does not prove your skill.

As scum, it wouldn't make sense for their claims then, since in essence one of them being scum incriminates the other. Also, if you think Grima is scum, who else could be on the scumteam and have a beaststone?

In fact Kary, if you shoot Ran and he flips scum I'll feel a lot better about you. I don't see you agreeing to waste your weapon killing off your scummate when you have other easy outs of this ultimatum I'm giving you.

So I guess a Ran scumflip would make you town.

And if Ran flips town, your read will be scum Kary and you have successfully gone into Lylo/ Mylo?

Can you sum up why you want to shoot Kary?

 

[Xastrn]

@Potassium: Dastrn and I are on the phone now talking reads. I was just doing the reread on Ran when I noticed something that I should have pointed out an hour ago. This first post was your response to my proving that you had tried to set up Kary/Xastrn as TvS earlier in the Day.

You are TOWN to me now.

I am not setting up a TvS thing anymore. I am asking Kary to claim because I do have intentions to shoot him, but you don't play into this at all.

I have dropped it, your point is null and void.

As this second post is what you said about an hour earlier (spoken to Kary).

Are you kidding me? Xast town has always made the possibility of you scum more likely. I even said in my case that by mentioning and maintaining your townread on Xastrn (who was very likely to die without your help, remember), you could be doing what you did with soup all over again, where you can have a retrospect correct read.

This is exactly what I was referencing when I said you were trying to set up TvS "all Day."

 

[Xastrn]

Ok I'm caught up. We're still on the phone, still discussing reads and Xatres is preparing a post.

Be aware that at some point soon, we will follow up on our promise to reveal with you what we shared with FML that may shed some light on things. I'm not sure how soon we'll share it without seeing what happens for the rest of the evening and maybe into Tuesday.