Fire Emblem 7 Mafia Poisoned Mutton Edition - Mafia Wins.

[Pokechu]

highkey leaning towards the first now... I need to find some Barney/Shish interactions.

Nevermind, still leaning towards Ryu/Shish/Opo, but having Ryu and Shish in both helps a lot, if I weren't getting lynched today I'd probably be able to put a lot together once we lynched them.

 

[Pokechu]

oh yeah with how Barney went at Shish D1 I wouldn't say it's likely they're scum together

I think it HAS to be Ryu/Shish/Opo at this point.

 

[Pokechu]

I'm done doing my daily scumhunting, if y'all wanna hear more from me, Pokechu

 

[BarDulL]

But can you prove that the gambit is fake?

 

[Pokechu]

But can you prove that the gambit is fake?

Can we prove anything for sure in Mafia?

It seems possible that it's fake. It wouldn't be difficult to fake.

 

[BarDulL]

Ryu/Shish/Opo is the only reasonable possibility of a 3-man team existing with all their members intact from my PoV assuming you are Town. This is evident by the fact that you have not been quick lynched by Moydow/LoneKon. Obviously, Ura is Town according to Spak, so he wouldn't QL.

 

[Pokechu]

I think the gambit could be fake, because after the gambit Shish started reading Opo as town, and from Opo's posts about his suspicions today (I think he said Uni/Pokechu/Ryu/Kon/Moy for possible scum), it can be inferred Opo is reading Shish as town. Like, having two people go at each other's throats, make it seem real, and having them read each other as town, it's a valid Mafia strategy.

How they made it seem real? Shish just played with a scum!Opo in BIM, he could give Opo pointers on how to react.

 

[Pokechu]

Like, when Opo was calling it a multiplier and not a modifier? That could've been something subtle done on purpose so we think he's genuinely clueless and townie, as a mafia would usually know the correct jargon for any ideas that they suggest and propose.

 

[Pokechu]

Opo's vote on Ura, I firstly thought a mafioso would find it risky to vote a confirmed townie, but that may have been what they wanted us to think.

 

[Pokechu]

The gambit was over relatively quickly, anyways. It only spanned not much more than a page, I believe.

 

[Pokechu]

The gambit started #674, ended #733. That's the whole range of the gambit and all posts made during that time.

I also find it VERY strange how Opo was really only around for the gambit. After that ended, he essentially peaced out of the Day phase.

 

[Pokechu]

Looking back at it, I found Uni's interaction to the gambit weird, like he was purposely trying to throw shade on Opo

Except he DID bring out the possibility that you were, and I quote, "lying through your teeth"

But I think it was pointing out a possible slip in the gambit?

He didn't just deny it, he directly tried to incriminate FE. I believe Scum!Opo would have believed my result and either: "I'm actually a power role, thanks for outing me Shish" or "Shish is lying, lynch him". Instead he denied it without trying to incriminate me and I don't think that's something he could do so naturally.
Besides, he cooks his own pasta.

Especially after Shish stated that scum!Opo would claim that Shish was lying. Which. Opo did claim, as seen in Uni's quote.

 

[Pokechu]

Looking back at it, I found Uni's interaction to the gambit weird, like he was purposely trying to throw shade on Opo
But I think it was pointing out a possible slip in the gambit?

let me reword this LOL 3 AM me wild

At first*, I found Uni's interaction weird

But looking back at it now*, I think it was pointing out a possible slip in the gambit.

 

[Pokechu]

And I think that scum!Shish would still fall into this. When I voted Red Ryu this day phase because he's the safest choice, the gambit could be real still, Shish immediately tried to make me look suspicious and throw shade at me.

He completely disregarded that I could've thought about the likeliness of that before deciding to put my vote down. Instead, he just wanted to throw dirt at me.

 

[BarDulL]

I straight up don’t think we can win if remaining Town is Ura/Myself/You/Moydow/LoneKon, lol.

To be fair, Opossum/Shish/Red Ryu pretty much entered this day phase and sat on you. You were the obvious target. Shish hasn’t really scum hunted at all, and Opo has also pretty much kept his mouth shut unless prompted. Shish proclaiming that this is some kind of you-or-me situation between the two of you is straight up bizarre. Brewyu’s defense of Shish when I voted Shish is like...ugh god damnit, seriously? Immediately intervenes and tried to cut off interaction.

It’s just really unfortunate that this is a potentially 50/50 shot. The teams are reasonably within either Pokechu/Moydow/LoneKon or Shish/Opo/Ryu for possible 3 man teams that are still intact. Despite this, Shish/Ryu/Opo are simply more believable right now.

Jojalole’s death straight up doesn’t make sense. Scum team was willing to kill Shiny, but they don’t feel a need to kill Ura or myself? Surely they knew myself and Ura was going to be looking at you, right? Why fear Jojalole? Why not kill equally quiet players like LoneKon or Moydow? What about Shish and Opo, who have had pretty good standing? Why didn’t they die?

So many things to think about, but unfortunately I haven’t a clue on how to solve this right away except let things play out. This might just have to be another hard lesson for me to learn in Mafia, I guess.

 

[Moydow]

Moydow in a world where Pokechu flips Town, implying Unikorn is Scum, would you still take aim at Red Ryu? Who do you feel Unikorn's mates would be in this roster?

A mafia team without Ryu in this context doesn't add up to me. I think it would be either Uni/Ryu/Opossum, or Uni/Ryu/Kon. I'm obviously not going to point the finger at myself, I think Uni being mafia would more or less clear Shish, and I mostly see you as clean. So those would be the only possibilities left, to me.

 

[Opossum]

The gambit started #674, ended #733. That's the whole range of the gambit and all posts made during that time.

I also find it VERY strange how Opo was really only around for the gambit. After that ended, he essentially peaced out of the Day phase.

Chrom got confirmed for Smash, man.

 

[Pokechu]

Chrom got confirmed for Smash, man.

The Direct came after that day phase. The day phase ended on Tuesday and the Direct was Wednesday.

So, Chrom wasn't confirmed for Smash.

 

[Opossum]

The Direct came after that day phase. The day phase ended on Tuesday and the Direct was Wednesday.

So, Chrom wasn't confirmed for Smash.

And I'd already said what I needed to say up until that point.

I see no point in trying to paint me as scum when I've been nothing but open about my role here.

 

[Pokechu]

And I'd already said what I needed to say up until that point.

I see no point in trying to paint me as scum when I've been nothing but open about my role here.

Oh, so once you say everything you needed to, there's no point to show up and try to contribute a little more??

Anyone can claim their character and "vanilla", your role doesn't matter, your actions do.

 

[Pokechu]

can we hostkill the mafia for being inactive

 

[BarDulL]

Pokechu, do you have any recent games where you were scum?

 

[BarDulL]

Unvote

 

[BarDulL]

Deadline is in 1 hour and 12 minutes.

Sigh.

 

[BarDulL]

Moydow do you mind claiming at this juncture? LoneKonWolf you as well...even though you're visibly missing atm lol.

 

[Pokechu]

omg whaaaaaaaaaat an unvote!!!!!!

I've only been scum in White's Animafia and praline's PokeMafia

In Animafia I got busted for inactivity, I was soooo busy and I got tagged in the thread and it fell apart LOL

But in PokeMafia I was a scum traitor, where my goal was to outlast my mafiamates. I got busted because when it was just me and some other mafia I gunned HARD for them, and I got lynched after them.

 

[BarDulL]

Ura deadline is in 1 hour and 9 minutes. We have to come up with a plan.

If Unikorn wasn't really scum, then this is MyLo and the only possible 3man teams intact are either Opo/Shish/Ryu or LoneKon/Pokechu/Moydow.

 

[Pokechu]

Kon/Pokechu/Moy makes sense, a lotta good chemistry between all three

But I think that Kon and Moy have been providing a lot of views that no one else has, they've been really considerate, and that's why I'm confident both are town. They wouldn't suggest half the ideas they have if they were mafia.

Like, just this day phase, Kon was the first one to suggest that Uni got janitored to frame me. When the Day starts with two votes for me, it shows that he was thinking about all possibilities and everything that could have happened, instead of just following the mob mentality.

 

[Ura]

I feel unqualified to vote today TBH. Haven't been following the events of today very well.

Plus it looks like Chu is getting lynched most likely.

 

[Ura]

I mean not just today but like this entire phase.

 

[BarDulL]

LoneKonWolf Moydow Pokechu I need an elevator pitch or something for why Shish/Opo/Ryu are the scum team.

 

[Pokechu]

Shish/Opo/Ryu is the scumteam because there has been no hard bussing between any three, in fact, there has hardly been any bussing at all, and throughout the entire game they have all been jovial with each other. The only bussing I've found was that this Day Opo said that he was confident I was mafia and the third guy would be in Ryu/Moy/Kon. But that's still three people, so he isn't even exactly suspicious of Ryu.

They've been jovial because they've always stuck up for each other. After Shish vs Uni D1, Ryu was the one to suggest that Shish's abrasiveness doesn't seem like scum motivation. When I questioned what Ryu meant when he told me that I wasn't sticking my neck out, Shish was the one to tell me. During the Ryu wagon D2, Shish opposed hopping on. After the gambit, Shish started townreading Opo.

Minimal bussing, good chemistry, and suspicious behavior from all three (Ryu's whole playstyle, and some of what Shish/Opo has said, like how Shish said it's either me or him, how their reasons for suspecting me are similar, and how Opo tried excusing his inactivity with a reason that didn't even exist at the time of his inactivity) lead me to believe that this could be the scum team. The only thing against it is the gambit I think, but I still believe it being fake is a possibility.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

LoneKonWolf assume Pokechu flips Town, but the game still continues, implying that Unikorn must be scum. Who do you think the remaining scum players are?

as i said before in my voice for either or of uni's actual alignment, if pokechu does flip town it'll have to be someone who knew uni would be covered, knew pokechu would flip, and would wish for this phase to be over as quickly as possible, as if doing so hint that unikorn himself was also town and they are using this to justify a quick lyol to cause gameover on towns part.

From my eyes, shishoe and opossum have acted that way in response and seem to refuse to disclose anything else simply calling it feeling.

Even if the game continues they'll be the most likely suspects in my eyes for their actions and avoidance of this thread this phase. Though if pokechu does indeed flip town then i'm confident this game is over for a mafia victory as pokechu would give insight to uni's role.

Ryu/Shish/Opo is the only reasonable possibility of a 3-man team existing with all their members intact from my PoV assuming you are Town. This is evident by the fact that you have not been quick lynched by Moydow/LoneKon. Obviously, Ura is Town according to Spak, so he wouldn't QL.

What bloody fool would quick lynch when it could possibly be game over for the town? Only those who benefit against town would want to do so, theres no way i'll ever do something so rash.

Moydow do you mind claiming at this juncture? LoneKonWolf you as well...even though you're visibly missing atm lol.

I'm a busy man, work has been slumped recently to prepare for the middle of august sales.

Kon/Pokechu/Moy makes sense, a lotta good chemistry between all three

But I think that Kon and Moy have been providing a lot of views that no one else has, they've been really considerate, and that's why I'm confident both are town. They wouldn't suggest half the ideas they have if they were mafia.

Like, just this day phase, Kon was the first one to suggest that Uni got janitored to frame me. When the Day starts with two votes for me, it shows that he was thinking about all possibilities and everything that could have happened, instead of just following the mob mentality.

Tunneling kills, you need to keep a broad mind or else you'll be nothing more than an unwitting pawn.

LoneKonWolf Moydow Pokechu I need an elevator pitch or something for why Shish/Opo/Ryu are the scum team.

Its 50/50 really, it depends entirely on if uni was in fact town. The gammbit could of been a rehersh while ryu has always stuck out since a sore thumb in my eyes. Shishoe has also acted similarly to his role in FEH that i have noticed in this game and that is considerably a red flag. That gambit in particuarly i saw no open purpose to do so and always looked like an awkward and desperate move, and from the beginning of this phase their actions look openly corecered as if they were colaborating with eachother.

That is my pitch, and it entirely hings if uni was covered up to make shish look innocent. to which the gambit makes opossum innocent as they steal a quick victory this phase. That is just simply a theory i bring.

 

[Pokechu]

I also believe that a town!Uni is incredibly likely, because if Uni was scum, who would he pair with? He almost got Ryu killed D2, so Uni/Ryu wouldn't work. He went against Opo the same day, so Uni/Opo wouldn't work. I know for a fact I'm town, so Uni/Chu wouldn't work.

With Shish vs Uni D1 I'd be inclined to say that that wouldn't work. I can't even find one good mate for Uni, let alone two. MAYBE Uni/Moy/Kon? I'd have to review interactions between the three. Uni also bussed Barney D2 and Uni/I were the only ones to really voice suspicion on Barney so I don't think Uni/Barney is that likely.

 

[BarDulL]

@LoneKon what's your flavor and role?

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Marcus the paladin, vanilla

 

[BarDulL]

Ok, who do you guys think we should go for? Tell me with your votes.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

I am conflicted, as i don't have a clear read, it all mattered upon unis flip.

Though before his defense of uni, i was reading pokechu as a town slot as his actions seem similar from how i have seen and believe it is just generally part off his personality.

So that would make it so to lynch one of the two who tried to opportunist this phase as much as possible and avoidance. Shishoe has bad reads for me since the start and only opossum followed suit this phase.

Though of course if that is inncorect then pokechu is indeed mafia, though then we have much room to breath as that would certainly make uni mafia meaning that this phase won't be lyol.

Its just overall conflicting. . .

But if forced to vote then i shall must.

Vote: Shishoe

 

[Pokechu]

I voted Ryu but I'd be down to vote any of Shish/Opo/Ryu

Most seem to think Ryu is the most sketch of the three but all three have done suspect stuff imo

 

[BarDulL]

Moydow what do you think?