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FinOlimar Q&A Thread! (Check OP before posting)
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Noa.
Smash Master
Yeah, if you use tether immediately after you get hit by an attack and the hitstun doesn't wear off, you don't get the boost.
Sky Pirate
The best defense is a lot of frigging healing
Okay, try this:
1. Set either L or R to "attack".
2. Go into training and pick up a banana using the button you set. Hold this button.
3. Jump, whistle, and immediately Uair/Dair/Fair/Bair/Nair.
You should perform an aerial while still holding the banana.
I'm asking if there is a way to cut out the whistling part or somehow do it faster.
Fino
Smash Master
Why do you want to aerial a diddy while holding a banana... you can seriously just sit back and out camp him so hard... you don't need to do anything else?
z-drop + aerial + z-catch/other way of picking up item
This is assuming you are going to land the aerial and be able to pick up the banana again. If you don't hit diddy with the aerial, you lose the banana either way because you'll get grabbed and thrown away, and you'll throw away the banana to momentum cancel.
~Fino
Llumys
Smash Champion
Meh, why hate on having more options...? Just use 'em properly.
Anyway, it's unlikely you'll need to momentum cancel one of Diddy's throws.
Anyway, it's unlikely you'll need to momentum cancel one of Diddy's throws.
Excellence
Smash Champion
Just some random questions.
Let's say you latch Pikmin onto Nana or Popo, let's say one of the two instead of both, while they're using Squall. Would one of them finish sooner than the other because they have to hit the latched Pikmin? Let's say that one does in fact finish sooner than the other. Would that make for a reasonable approach to dealing with Squall?
Something else I was looking at. Since camping out on platforms is usually te way to go when people face the Ice Climbers they usually get hit with a lot of Up Aerials. Can Olimar shield then Down Smash the Ice Climber's while they're still unable to respond? I never see anyone do that so I was just wondering if it's even possible.
Let's say you latch Pikmin onto Nana or Popo, let's say one of the two instead of both, while they're using Squall. Would one of them finish sooner than the other because they have to hit the latched Pikmin? Let's say that one does in fact finish sooner than the other. Would that make for a reasonable approach to dealing with Squall?
Something else I was looking at. Since camping out on platforms is usually te way to go when people face the Ice Climbers they usually get hit with a lot of Up Aerials. Can Olimar shield then Down Smash the Ice Climber's while they're still unable to respond? I never see anyone do that so I was just wondering if it's even possible.
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1. If they're both locked to each other it doesn't matter which IC you latch a pikmin to. They'll both slow down. If they're desynched just dsmash or something. ;P
2. If they're dumb enough to jump up to your level, then I bet you could dsmash out of shield. They usually just stick the hammer just over the platform though.
2. If they're dumb enough to jump up to your level, then I bet you could dsmash out of shield. They usually just stick the hammer just over the platform though.
Fino
Smash Master
Sakurai murders an innocent creature (usually a kitten or new-born baby) deep in the forrest where he hides from brawl players waiting to get revenge on him when he shows his face again
This is also the cause for tripping and other such things...
~Fino
Tin Man
Smash Hero
Thank you very much Fino
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
How do u win oli dittos, i always lose to f"n scrubs when it comes to this.
Llumys
Smash Champion
They're easy. Just outsmart the other player, lol.
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
Elaborate please. This mu is extremely different than other ones.
Llumys
Smash Champion
Know your character. Outsmart them.
I never had to analyze this match-up, although it can go either way if both players know what they're doing.
I never had to analyze this match-up, although it can go either way if both players know what they're doing.
oli dittos are my best matchup. basically, you spam sideb...and only pay attention to whites purples. you can jab x1 to get off any pikmin anywhere on your body, just remember...TRY TO SNIPE WHITES and use purples for approaching
it's basically an extreme camp fest, if one olimar approaches, the defending olimar will always be able to grab him before the approaching olimar could grab the defending.
dthrow > usmash is your best follow up at low%, dthrow > fair later on.
WAC > nair > follow up works great in this matchup, but if the oli is good they can SDI out of nair and nair you back. sometimes you can catch off guard and nair > smash them though.
edge hogging oli as oli is so easy, just remember to watch for purple sideb's coming at you.
NEVER APPROACH :D
it's basically an extreme camp fest, if one olimar approaches, the defending olimar will always be able to grab him before the approaching olimar could grab the defending.
dthrow > usmash is your best follow up at low%, dthrow > fair later on.
WAC > nair > follow up works great in this matchup, but if the oli is good they can SDI out of nair and nair you back. sometimes you can catch off guard and nair > smash them though.
edge hogging oli as oli is so easy, just remember to watch for purple sideb's coming at you.
NEVER APPROACH :D
Fino
Smash Master
After you're out of throw combo range, start using uthrow.
fsmash anytime they approach... fsmash beats grab, fsmash beats fair, fsmash beats dair, fsmash beats dash attack, fsmash can even beat fsmash if you have the right pikmin.... hell, they can't even run up to you and spot dodge in anticipation of the fsmash, because fsmash beats that option too.
Do everything else Icy said except this
disagree, dthrow fair is best at low% and after that you do dthrow *something else*
I don't know the exact %.... prolly like <10-15% is the only time dthrow fair is guaranteed. After that the other oliamr will be able to fair you first.
Also, use your counter picks wisely - make sure you rps for pink boots in the event of a dispute.
Last, and MOST IMPORTANTLY - don't play b!uegl0ves.
Sorry for the censor dodge hilt *waits for infraction*
~Fino
Llumys
Smash Champion
They have more options out of the fair.
Fino
Smash Master
How to win a ditto:
Think: "what would I do"
Do: Something that counters that
Learn and adapt to their play style from there
~Fino
Think: "what would I do"
Do: Something that counters that
Learn and adapt to their play style from there
~Fino
Fino
Smash Master
It is in some regions X:
It's like saying niggga, it's acceptable most places except on the coasts (they **** their pants over it).
~Fino
Tin Man
Smash Hero
so do I >.>
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
Tether...
Sometimes when I use my tether to grab onto the ledge when falling, the pikmin kinda just slide off of it. Why is this? What can I do about it? :/
I always end up falling to my death because of it.
Sometimes when I use my tether to grab onto the ledge when falling, the pikmin kinda just slide off of it. Why is this? What can I do about it? :/
I always end up falling to my death because of it.
RichBrown
Smash Master
You probably don't have enough pikmin, or you've tethered 3 times before landing, or someone grabbed the edge before the tether got there, or you don't quite have enough pikmin/line is too short. Those are the only answers I can think of.
Hey... how do I deal with MK's tornado? lol I seriously suck at random things like this
Hey... how do I deal with MK's tornado? lol I seriously suck at random things like this
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
good MK users will try to not use tornado when they're far away. When they do its an obvious pivot grab. They'll most likely try to catch you off guard and use it at mid range. Either pivot grab or sheld it. Always hold your shield up. That way u dont get hit. Remember that u can nair at the very top but you'll most likely only be able to get away and punish it. U can whistle through it aswell. DI away and punish the tornado afterwards.
RichBrown
Smash Master
Smart MKs won't tornado on the ground tho...
BOB SAGET!
Smash Lord
they'll go above the ground, u punish when they're falling.
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
What do you mean by tethered 3 times before landing? O_o
RichBrown
Smash Master
Dan you do NOT main wolf >.<
I guess I'll play with pivot upB... I just wish his upB came out faster, because I've tried it in the past but I'll only hear the sound of the upB, and the hitbox won't come out in time. It might be a matter of improving my reaction time though. My reaction time has gotten slightly above average, but if I could get it really good then maybe that would be a viable option.
How exactly do I DI out of it? Because I've had people tell me you can't DI out of tornado, and at this point I don't know who to believe, and I don't really feel like experimenting myself anymore.
I'm convinced (and this is the super optimist in me) that Olimar can find a way around tornado. I also feel like the answer is something really abstract.
All suggestions welcome.
EDIT: Someone find this man the video of how Olimar's tether works lol
I guess I'll play with pivot upB... I just wish his upB came out faster, because I've tried it in the past but I'll only hear the sound of the upB, and the hitbox won't come out in time. It might be a matter of improving my reaction time though. My reaction time has gotten slightly above average, but if I could get it really good then maybe that would be a viable option.
How exactly do I DI out of it? Because I've had people tell me you can't DI out of tornado, and at this point I don't know who to believe, and I don't really feel like experimenting myself anymore.
I'm convinced (and this is the super optimist in me) that Olimar can find a way around tornado. I also feel like the answer is something really abstract.
All suggestions welcome.
EDIT: Someone find this man the video of how Olimar's tether works lol
Noa.
Smash Master
You can SDI out of the tornado. No matter how good they are, if you do it correctly, it shouldn't be a problem. The first hitbox of the tornado that hits you sucks you into the tornado. You have to SDI the first hit into the tornado, and then up. In and then up. That's how I do it anyway.
What's not guranteed is SDI>nair. Or so I've heard. If MKs tornado correctly, you can't nair them afterward.
I find that most successful tornados against Olimar is because when Mk Tornado'd, Oli was doing something. At close range the tornado is easy to beat since most moves can outprioritize the first few frames of the tornado. At long range it's easy to anticipate and easy to pivot grab or pivot tether. MK's tornado is most effective against Oli just outside of Oli's grab/fsmash range. If Oli whiffs any move while MK is there, he gets a practically free tornado. So it's important that while MK is within that space, to not make any move. If you jump you're vulnerable, if you fsmash you're vulnerable, you're vulnerable if you grab. At that range you have to be patient and wait until after the MK moves from there, or you reposition yourself.
That situation is the most recurring one I've seen in the Oli:Mk vids that I've watched.
Just gotta be careful.
What's not guranteed is SDI>nair. Or so I've heard. If MKs tornado correctly, you can't nair them afterward.
I find that most successful tornados against Olimar is because when Mk Tornado'd, Oli was doing something. At close range the tornado is easy to beat since most moves can outprioritize the first few frames of the tornado. At long range it's easy to anticipate and easy to pivot grab or pivot tether. MK's tornado is most effective against Oli just outside of Oli's grab/fsmash range. If Oli whiffs any move while MK is there, he gets a practically free tornado. So it's important that while MK is within that space, to not make any move. If you jump you're vulnerable, if you fsmash you're vulnerable, you're vulnerable if you grab. At that range you have to be patient and wait until after the MK moves from there, or you reposition yourself.
That situation is the most recurring one I've seen in the Oli:Mk vids that I've watched.
Just gotta be careful.
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
Lol I just tend to only use the tether to recover. I don't know squat about only using it three times. >.<
Noa.
Smash Master
If you use the tether three times without landing onstage, you can't tether again until you land.
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
But I mean, I can use it fine. Just that when I tether out on the side of the stage, my pikmin literally go up to the ledge and SLIDE off of it! I had a full six pikmin and was at two-pikmin's length from the edge, and I swear to you that they just hit up against it and didn't feel like grabbing it. >_<
Tin Man
Smash Hero
you have to be facing the edge and can not be past it in order to grab onto it. If you are on FD and u are past the edge, even if u are facing it, it wont grab the edge. FD is just an example, same hing applies to any stage.
i find it 100000x easier to sdi out of tornado by right after i get hit the first time i tap diagonal down left and i immediately get popped up and out, not sure why this is but diagonal DOWN left seems to work the best for me, although if you can't figure out the same timing i use for it just use up right before you get hit. if you notice you di out of it only a little bit, and you can't get out, you may be able to throw in a nair and prevent some of the damage/maybe knock him out.
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
Urgh, I need to post a video. I mean, I am facing the edge. I'm within grabbing distance. Sometimes, though, the pikmin literally slide into the edge and decide "forget that!" and don't grab it and collide into each other!
yeah that happens now and then, it's because you are at the range where they think they can grab it but they go to it and change their mind, it happens most often when you try to sweet spot your up-b.
usually when this happens i say "pikmin said no" :D
usually when this happens i say "pikmin said no" :D
OneGreyWolf
Smash Apprentice
Hahaha, I think I'ma steal dat! Well that sucks though, that they don't grab it... It's so annoying to see them fall into each other and just bounce off while I fall to my death. :L
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I put whatever character I'm playing around with a lot in that slot. ;P
Though I have shied away from Oli... ;/
Imagine the tornado like Ivy's bullet seed. The first hit pops you up into the middle of the tornado from wherever it hit you first. Actually... I'm not entirely sure about that, but it seems as though I have an easier time SDIing the first hit than anything else. Perhaps all of the hits have set knockback towards the top middle of the tornado, in which case there's more knockback on the hitboxes at the bottom of the tornado... Anyways, once you're in the other hits will keep knocking you back into the middle- Similar to the hits of Zelda's upsmash in that regard... but easier to get out of.
I usually try what Drac mentioned. SDI up and a little bit towards the tornado on the first hit up and attempt to neutral air at the top. If I can't get that I'll try to QCDI+TDI the other hits and get out before the last hit. And then, of course, if you can get to the ground and attack him or neutral air through the air at him before he lands then go ahead and do that.
As some people have mentioned, you can whistle a little bit of the tornado. This is easier to do when the tornado is coming quickly at an angle. Basically try to spend as little time as you can passing through it, while whistling of course. This means cutting the corners as well. I wouldn't actually ever recommend doing this though. >_>
i like to smash down/left as soon as i get hit, it pops me well above the tornado but not above the jump out of tornado, so it sets it up beautifully to set up into a nair or a jump =]
also, you have PLENTY of time for your tether to hit them, it has an extended hit box so you don't need to do it right as they hit you, i do it a lot in this video to see the timing of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLJVuN8FwU
also, you have PLENTY of time for your tether to hit them, it has an extended hit box so you don't need to do it right as they hit you, i do it a lot in this video to see the timing of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLJVuN8FwU
RichBrown
Smash Master
Was I complaining about nado in this thread too? lmao
Really great advice, thank you every one. I tend to overlook basic things like this in exchange for more abstract theories and so every now and then I get ***** by stupid stuff.
What is QCDI?
Edit: Icy, I'm halfway thru that vid of you vs fatal, good stuff so far. You successfully upBed a lot of those nados... did you do that off reaction or prediction, or some mixtur of the 2? I'm starting to wonder if it might not be a bad idea to do a LOT of waiting in this matchup...
Edit 2: holy heck Icy that was clutch!! I got mad at you for not whistling your purples back when they landed in the water though lol
I don't think I've ever really watched you intently before, I like your playstyle.
Really great advice, thank you every one. I tend to overlook basic things like this in exchange for more abstract theories and so every now and then I get ***** by stupid stuff.
What is QCDI?
Edit: Icy, I'm halfway thru that vid of you vs fatal, good stuff so far. You successfully upBed a lot of those nados... did you do that off reaction or prediction, or some mixtur of the 2? I'm starting to wonder if it might not be a bad idea to do a LOT of waiting in this matchup...
Edit 2: holy heck Icy that was clutch!! I got mad at you for not whistling your purples back when they landed in the water though lol
I don't think I've ever really watched you intently before, I like your playstyle.