Final Smash 2 S.O.S.'S Revenge 01-19-08- 01-20-08

[Hylian]

You're really getting on my nerves here. Who's idea to throw a huge tournament was it Mine. So why are you telling me how to run it?

If we make what goes to the venue and what goes to pot separate, it will raise the cost of the tournament over all. I'm not going to say that's fact yet. I've still yet to discuss prices with Gamelot once more.

HOWEVER,

what IS fact is that I will have to be VERY forceful about who gets in. You will not be able to play AT ALL without a wrist band, and then people will cry that they just wanted to come for friendlies or to simply "watch". Not to mention that I will have to be constantly supervising to make sure this rule is not broken. I may have to also charge for BOTH days (This of course will be a 2 day event.)

Regardless bluezaft I plan on looking into other options for pricing. I am considering a raise to make the pot more worthwhile for OOS.

Seriously, don't boycott my tournament. SOS and I are the sole reason that there was a prequel to this to begin with.

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Kyle just stop being so immature about it. Seriously, you can't tell someone not to boycott your tournament. It's their desicion if they want to go or not. If they don't go, then oh well. Be respectful to the people going to your tournament if you want them to actually come.

And taking money out of the pot is stupid. Make a registration fee if you want to do that.

 

[Broly]

i really dont see the big deal. i did not hear anyone fuss when they collected there cash. if u put a entry fee ull trade off a bunch of people to lower number of quality smashers. w/o entry, more money in the pot + more smashers.

 

[The MC Clusky]

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Kyle just stop being so immature about it. Seriously, you can't tell someone not to boycott your tournament. It's their desicion if they want to go or not. If they don't go, then oh well. Be respectful to the people going to your tournament if you want them to actually come.

And taking money out of the pot is stupid. Make a registration fee if you want to do that.

Did I mention that you will have to pay more?

 

[bluezaft]

The problem I have here, Kyle, is that you are using these tournaments as a way to make a few hundred dollars in profit for yourself. And you didn’t even make an effort to cover it up!

A cute little exchange that took place at the tournament:
Me: Taking money for yourself from the smash community is really wrong.
You: I spent money on this.
Me: What did you buy?
You: What did I buy?
Me: What did you spend money on?
(long silence, then you go back to counting your gold)

The fact that you, a part of the smash community, are taking money from the smash community horrifies me. And it’s even more disgusting since DoH ran most of the tournament. I would absolutely love it if you said “this tournament I’m not going to take money for myself, I’m just doing it because it’s a great thing to do for the smash community.” And then I’ll love you forever and help in any way possible.



The whole pot/registration thing is irrelevant. You took a third of the pot, so really it was $10 for singles, $5 registration (etc. for crews). Something like that needs to be announced beforehand, but I don’t really care. The thing that gets me is that REALLY it was $10 for singles, $2.50 for the store, $2.50 for Mosquito’s pocket.


If you absolutely require “something out of this” as you said at the last tournament, I would much rather see Forkgirl and Smiles take over, not to sound like a jerk. And if they needed any help, me, DoH, and countless other people are there to do whatever. But really, I’d much rather you just do this for unselfish reasons.

 

[Espy Rose]

Wait, we're going to have to pay more?

Ouch. If that's true, it may hurt my chances of going...

 

[Broly]

Wait, we're going to have to pay more?

Ouch. If that's true, it may hurt my chances of going...

EXACTLY!!! if we have an extra fee, ppl will lose interest including peeps that travel far. but then again if the venue needs a cut, then there should be an extra cost. no matter how you slice it, theres goin to be a negative impact, picking the choice w/ less of an impact will be hard

 

[The MC Clusky]

Finally someone gets it ^^

Bluezaft, stop spamming up my thread. I've sent you a pm detailing exactly where the money went.

More importantly:

MLK WEEKEND (JAN 19/20) G2G

New thread coming soon. Drew, get ready to close this when I post again with a link.

 

[SideEffect]

Yes have it on MLK Weekend, or I cannot go! =O

 

[po pimpus]

Yo. Just posting to let you all know that Oklahoma is definitely interested in making this tournament. We're already in the planning stages as we speak, and I'll definitely be bringing the worst players in the soufwest with me (lol, Oklahoma).

I personally voted on Jan. 12/13, due to work, but the following weekend, 19/20, is acceptable as well. I hope to see/play a lot of good, quality smashers as well. I can't wait.

 

[S.O.S.]

Finally someone gets it ^^

Bluezaft, stop spamming up my thread. I've sent you a pm detailing exactly where the money went.

More importantly:

MLK WEEKEND (JAN 19/20) G2G

New thread coming soon. Drew, get ready to close this when I post again with a link.

technically this is my thread >.> and yay for mlk weekend.

 

[reqy]

seems like alot of people are returning as well as more OOS'ers planning to come. Will Gamelot be big enough?

 

[Sars_Pirate]

Just for the sake of the OoS players, I think we should have singles before doubles if you guys think time is such a huge factor. It'd be horrible if the best players we bring don't get a chance to play. :/

Also, will housing be provided for OoS?

 

[Masterer Betty]

some white people need to calm down lolo

 

[SideEffect]

some white people need to calm down lolo

LMFAO true


I'm sexy

 

[Dark_Meow1]

I'll be coming to this.

I really want a 5 dollar mm with DoH and BlueZaft, I've heard alot about you guys ^.^

 

[BeArR]

Kyle, we all know you and SOS started the idea for the tournament and we are thankful for you guys putting it together but, you don't pull that much money out of the pot, nor any of it at all. It's a bad idea to do that when there are fees for the venue. Too many people have to travel long distances for their money to go to people that run the tournament. I mean, we would all understand you doing so if you like, bought food and/or drinks for everyone and used that money to help yourself out, but you aren't doing that.

 

[The MC Clusky]

New thread will be up this afternoon or tonight. I'll post again with a link.

 

[S.O.S.]

just to let everyone know i will be housing people (again lol) but this time im putting limit's up i will house no more then 6 people and if your 100% sure on coming to this let me know asap.


the only reason im housing ALOT less people this time is because my gf almost killed me last tournament because she didnt fall asleep untill 6 am. she said that the clanking of the controllers were to loud to ignore.

but then again if enough OOS people need housing i doubt i could say no >.>

 

[forkgirl]

i want to mm you darkmeow. you play peach right?

 

[SuperMajinLink 287]

Kyle, for the love of all things holy, please do not include the words "S.O.S.'s Revenge" as the title of the tournament...

1st off, it sounds really ********, as if you were trying to direct a lame *** sequel to a movie that shouldn't change its already good formula. "If It's Not Broken, Don't Fix It!"

2nd, it makes SOS look really arrogant, cocky, and somewhat of a sore loser.

3rd, Final **** 2 (FR2) is really much more simple, it works, and easier to recognize than trying to add a bunch of unnecessary words.

One more thing in concerns about cost...

It's real simple really, if you want a better pot, expect to pay more, meaning the venue fee, and then the actual tournament entry's.

Kyle, you are letting Cliff get into your head and I can see what Cliff, the store manager of Gamelot, is trying to do after reading all the complaints from the smashers post "Final ****" and personally talking to him myself before the tournament. But it's something I rather not explain on here due to the fact that he actually browses through the smashboards forums as well.

As for money handling, I believe for the next tournament you should leave that to me. I'll make sure the store manager doesn't get his hands on money that he shouldn't already have.

 

[Sars_Pirate]

Final **** 2 is just as bad imo just because final **** implies that it's the final ****. <_<

Anyways, Oklahoma can guarantee more people showing if it's on the 12/13th. I know it's not MLK weekend, but most kids are out of school around that time anyway.

 

[Galt]

This is Xelic posting on Galt's account.

Broly, you've missed the point. You DID pay extra for the first tournament; you just weren't told about it. Read Bluezaft's post again. Only 2/3rds of your money went to the pot, and only 1/6th of it went to the venue. That 1/6th translates to a registration fee for the venue that wasn't announced. The other 1/6th of your money went to Kyle.

The joyful wonders of having a separate registration fee is that you know how much your giving to the venue (or Kyle) and how much you are actually putting towards the pot. And I think that's something ALL of us would like to know.

Kyle, I don't want to throw a bunch of hate at you or anything, but tournament organizers do NOT get a cut just for "running" the tournament. I'll be honest here: we all know the tournament was mostly run by DoH, Forkgirl, and Smiles. At one point, you even tried to get ME to register people for crews. After about 20 minutes of not much actually getting done, I went to find you outside just chatting with people. I think others might remember the part where I dragged you through the building by the wrist yelling for people to come register for crews right at that instant. It was pretty epic.

Anyway, taking money from the pot is a no-no, and even worse is taking so much that the prize distribution comes out so that people who place in an event are receiving less than they used to register for said event.

Feel free to direct any objections directly at Galt. He won't mind.

 

[bluezaft]

Well I already got one request to see Mosquito's explanation of what he spent the money on, so I figured I'd just post it here since, well, you all paid for it. I also included my response so I don't have to retype my opinion of it all again.

I highlighted the whole pot/registration issue in a nice money green for your convenience.

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING. unlike when you ignored me thanking you for helping the tournament >_<

What's the big idea going around claiming I'm a thief? It's cool that you're talking to like I wanted you too, but just so you know that this may make the entire entry go up higher. What does it matter if it's in or out of the pot? It end ups in the same place.

Besides, I doubt you have talked to Cliff at all because he would have explained to the economics of running these things. We're not running at a church where they would let us do it for free. If you want a real break down of how it went, %33 percent was taken by Gamelot. Out of that 1/3, about 2/3 went to Cliff ($200), and he shared the other 1/3 with me ($100). Then I split that 1/3 with SOS ($50). Further still, I felt bad for Florida since we couldn't finish crews, and I lent them gas money ($20). So what did I make in the end?

30 bucks. Keep in mind I still paid for every event I participated in..... that being $30 (five for teams, five for crews).... wow I ended up with NOTHING.

And this time I wanted to use the money to get pizza and some prizes.

Still think I'm "stealing" from the pot?

I'm pissed when you called me manacloud and even decided what I made $300 (way to get the facts straight)

Regardless, I'm looking into other options, such as a separate fee. But singles will likely have to cost more, and there may even have to be a base charge for both days. Not to mention that I will have to force out anyone that may want to try to come only for friendlies.

No, you took $100 from the pot. Despite what you DID with it (give some to SOS, some to Florida, enter the tournament, keep the rest) that is money that should go to Caveman, Xelic, DoH, Broly, and Rob$. You don't get to take money from them on a whim. If Florida needs gas money, take up a collection or something, I would have donated. Of COURSE you would have ended up with less than you started with--you didn't win any of the tournaments. As a tournament host that is part of the smash community you should not be making a profit. I've been hosting tournaments for a year and a half in Dallas and for the first year (before I got good) all I did was lose money, but I didn't mind and I didn't charge anyone a dime. So when you just take money from the tournament winners for your trouble or whatever excuse you use, it's incredibly insulting. I thought you were a really nice guy and I was so disgusted that you would do something like this.

As for this whole pot/registration fee, you're making way too much of it. As I said before, it was in essence a $10 singles entry and $5 registration. The only real problem was that what percent of the $15 lump would go to you/Gamelot was never specified, which doesn't really make a difference unless it's big and official, which this is. It ISN'T more expensive, since all it is is clarifying how much money goes where. I hope that should make it easier for you. So basically when people register charge them the normal $15...just call $5 of it "registration." Same thing. The important part is that no one touches the actual pot.

BUT. If the entry fee takes in more than Gamelot requires, either add the remainder to the pot or do something neat with it that benefits EVERYONE, like a raffle or food (I would be more than happy to help out here). And if you want to present it as a prize for whoever travelled the farthest (comparable to the Florida gas thing), that's cool too, but the important thing is that what you are doing with it is communicated to everybody, and you don't keep ANY for yourself.

So what I'm asking is that you host the biggest Texas tournament in a very long time for the benefit of the smash community, and not even think of keeping money for yourself, or even any as compensation for anything beyond supplies needed for the tournament.

Edit: does anyone know how I can stop getting the quoted words to stop being italics?

Edit 2: Um okay dark meow. I don't know WHY you've heard of me, but I guess I'll mm you.

 

[The MC Clusky]

Chris, get on aim please. I need to talk you mano a mano about it.

And seriously, I can't believe you posted a private message. There's a reason it's called PRIVATE message.

 

[Mr.C]

Well it shouldn't be too private if it was everyones money you were taking lol.

Anyways like everyone else is saying just make a registration fee for Cliff...then the rest is the entry fee which of course goes to the pot.

 

[outRAGEous]

Uh-oh, SpaghettiOs...

i want my 3 dollars back

 

[K1T3]

Kyle we all had a right to know what you did with our money. This is why I kept telling you before the last tournament to just have a registration fee and post the estimated pot amount so people knew what was going on. On that note Chris thanks for posting that.

33% of 72 people entering singles for $15 is $360 btw, so if cliff only took 200 of that 360... and that's just singles, if it was 33% of the total from all events...
also of note 60% of the 66% from $15 of 72 entrants should have been $427.68, so of course I'm sure that's what Cave got for taking first...

Easy solution for next time is just have a registration fee

Also please please please have pools for seeding next time. Everyone please request pools, I tried convincing Kyle last time but he said everyone else was against pools and I was the only one that wanted them since no one else posted about them.

I'm guessing we're going to actually get to use all of gamelot this time. That should solve the space issue from last time and not just be crammed in a corner of the store. And if you spend just a little time setting up and asking people to bring extension cords and TVs then we'll have plenty of TVs to do pools with. You should be able to just line up tables like at WTYM2 with TVs on them. This last tourney with like only 10 TV's on each day to play on just wasn't good.... that's definately a huge reason why events didn't finish, well that and trying to run doubles and crews at the same time. With a little organization and enough TVs I could see all 3 of those events having been done in 1 day. I mean look at Evo, they fit smash in with just a few hrs. If you need things like tables, chairs, extension cords, or whatever, I'm sure if you just ask people will be willing to bring stuff.

Also so that you don't have to be solely responsible for running everything, if you just set up, say, 8 man pools or whatever number and have a pool captain and give each pool 2 TVs the captains would've made all the matches get done in a quick an timely manner and you wouldn't have had to do anything. For this last tourney 20 TVs would've been enough for each pool to get 2 TVs and I mean really 20 TVs isn't that much to ask for when you have 70+ people showing up. This will also yield the best seeding for the bracket and have all the placings overall be more accurate. Of course try to seed the pools to an extent as well. I'm sure there'll be plenty of people that would be willing to help do that, I'll be the first to volunteer.

With you having to do less work and these events running more smoothly I see no reason that we couldn't still do double elimination crews (If you can't tell I really like crews and want double elimination crews)

Also with more space and more TVs and not using just a small corner of the store even on the day that we have access to the whole thing then everyone should even be able to play lots of friendlies after pools and once the bracket moves along.

I would suggest to take a look at the main tournament discussion area and look at the sticky threads like Pound 3 and Pro Impact and model a thread after those in the main tourney discussion area and don't create a new thread in southwest section, if you do then direct people over there so there will be plenty of discussion in there and we can attract more OOS. If you make it look professional and leave out the spam of how this tourney came to be then you can probably even get it stickied as it should be a really big tourney.

Also OOS please vote and get the people you know to vote for the weekend yall can come. We really want OOS to come to this but Kyle wants the date that has the most votes, so make sure to vote for what you can come too.

I won't know if I can house people until around the time of the tournament, but I hope I can house lots of OOS again, LA and FL people were all awesome and did what I asked and cleaned up after themselves.

Edit: woops forgot, I'll be going to this provided it looks like it'll turn out good =)
Edit 2: You might think about having some kind of online registration to help set up pools before hand for singles and maybe doubles
Edit 3: maybe consider draft crews?

 

[uglywombat2004]

I am housing those who I housed last time right? Swift, LG, RAWR, Rok, F4L, and Taco?
Let me know if I am not housing any of y'all.

Also I have a friend who may be able to house people, but only if they have no other way of staying here.

One thing KITE said I definitely agree with. Kyle, take off that bull**** about how the tourney came to be or whatever. Just label it as a huge Texas tournament with lots of room and tons of housing for OOS. Most OOS people will either be confused or turned off by the storyline you have applied to this Disney straight to DVD type of crap.

Also I have the simplest money solution. Let Taylor handle it. She has always been amazing with tournaments and she can be very scary if needed to be. Which I believe is useful to get people to listen.

Another thing, I still want practice. I don't want my losing streak to continue TT.TT So who has time for me to come over and play? :D
I planned on going to SOS's when I can but his location is crap. So far I know KITE and Ben are closest to me.

 

[forkgirl]

ew, double elim crews is a terrible idea...it just takes WAYYYY too long...no matter how much time we have : /

hmmm, but i do understand that single elim sucks if you get like the best team first...

well...what if for the losers bracket, the teams had less stock between everyone?? (except for losers finals) Then it'd be double elim but not take as long. i dunno

 

[Espy Rose]

One thing KITE said I definitely agree with. Kyle, take off that bull**** about how the tourney came to be or whatever. Just label it as a huge Texas tournament with lots of room and tons of housing for OOS. Most OOS people will either be confused or turned off by the storyline you have applied to this Disney straight to DVD type of crap.

QFT. It's strange and awkward. I'm pretty sure no one even cares how it happened, as long as it happens people will show.

This last tourney with like only 10 TV's on each day to play on just wasn't good.... that's definately a huge reason why events didn't finish, well that and trying to run doubles and crews at the same time.

Don't remind me. It was nasty. I still got to play, so it was all good.

 

[K1T3]

ew, double elim crews is a terrible idea...it just takes WAYYYY too long...no matter how much time we have : /

hmmm, but i do understand that single elim sucks if you get like the best team first...

well...what if for the losers bracket, the teams had less stock between everyone?? (except for losers finals) Then it'd be double elim but not take as long. i dunno

That sounds like a good idea =) and it solves for the problems of playing the best crew first

Nick let's play =)

I want to team with Mr C or Gale or another Jiggly player if not either of them (someone like Espy or Zulu or other jiggs that are good on teams)

 

[SuperMajinLink 287]

Final **** 2 is just as bad imo just because final **** implies that it's the final ****. <_<

Anyways, Oklahoma can guarantee more people showing if it's on the 12/13th. I know it's not MLK weekend, but most kids are out of school around that time anyway.

Err, sorry, I apologize, what I meant to say was "Final Smash" in replacement of "Final ****".

Final Smash 2 (FS2)

EDIT: One thing I just noticed on the 1st post...

Is the "how this tournament came to be" really necessary...? Most people don't really care how this tournament originated, as I can say I'm one of those people, but what I really want to know if this tournament is going to be run professionally and be set up in a venue that won't make me feel like I'm cramped. If you're serious about getting more OOS competition to get over here, take that origin story off, it looks really silly to be honest.

 

[The MC Clusky]

Will people seriously stop bad mouthing me? I'm trying my hardest to satisfy people and everyone just keeps repeating the same stuff or calling me a a thief.

STFU noobs I'm the one setting up this thing. I'm pushing for 15 for singles and 5 for the venue. AND WHAT THE VENUE DOES WITH IT IS WHAT THE VENUE DOES WITH IT. If the owner gives part of the 5 to me, I want to put it into the tournament for things like trophies, pizza, and/or nifty name tags. (that was an example)

But all this drama is only making Texas look bad. I'm not Manacloud, I'm not Joe Michael, I'm just an average smasher who realized that things on this scale are a huge headache. People should just thankful that I'm throwing a tournament in the first place. Despite all of it, I'm persevering and I want to make it happen.

Don't say that Taylor/Smiles/other well know player should do it, after all, they had a planning thread that was open in August and finally laid to rest in October. Here's the cold hard proof:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=112834&highlight=texas+planning+thread

Drew put it well enough.

So right now, I want everyone to stop talking about the prices. I'm on it. In fact, Kite was nice enough to answer me back and I'm having him help me talk to the owner.

GG.

 

[SuperMajinLink 287]

STFU noobs

Yeah, you know... if you're going to be serious, be mature about your choice of words as well. No need for such pointless insults, people are just trying to voice how they honestly feel about the situation.

EDIT: I do agree with you though that Smiles SHOULD NOT help run a tournament, though I don't know about Taylor, but leave money handling to me, I will take responsibility on that part, because I handle money myself all the time at work.

 

[forkgirl]

Don't say that Taylor/Smiles/other well know player should do it, after all, they had a planning thread that was open in August and finally laid to rest in October.

omg quit talking about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On another note, nifty name tags is a great idea (ones on lanyards, not the sticky disposable ones) Everyone likes souveniers from tourneys!! :D

. if you go with this idea, and have some money (from entry fee or whatever to put into it) put me in charge of name tags. I'll make sure they're good

 

[tac0]

Yessssssssss, great name tags are a must, I still have mine , it's on my transformers poster in my room.

 

[K1T3]

mad paint skills for name tags? too good

So I just talked to the owner Cliff, he did just decide to give part of the money to Kyle mainly because he (Cliff) was not there on Sunday and felt bad about it and didn't charge for that day.
This time of course he will charge for both days and the lowest he would take is a $5 registration fee per person that would be the venue fee and wouldn't take a flat amount. This means there is very little chance of having money left over to do stuff with unfortunately... though I did try to get money to put into tourney things he wouldn't do it. Kyle though said he might be putting in his own money to buy those things we need for the tourney to be nice.

Of note: Cliff wants us to clean up after ourselves, trash and the like, and said he will kick out people that... how to say this... smell.... So make sure to bathe or bring a really strong deoderant.


Also, anyone know how to set up some kind of online registration so we can set up pools somehow? Also what would be a good program to set up these pools with? I'm going to look into it but if anyone has any experience with this or knows how to do it please contact me or let me know.

 

[S.O.S.]

cant we all just get along ?.?

 

[forkgirl]

lol @ kicking out people who smell!!! ROFL!!!!!

 

[The MC Clusky]

Hey Drew!

Drew, I know you've been wanting to close something for a while, so don't let B-will beat ya to it.

DREW, PLEASE DESTROY THIS THREAD IN AN AWESOME FASHION.

As for the rest of you, go here:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3383909#post3383909