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Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!
- Thread starter Overswarm
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Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
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DjtGlyphMoney (Meliadoul, Divine Knight, LIBRA) has been lynched!
Ryker - MOD, MOD, MOD
Glyph - MOD, MOD, MOD, MOD, Inferno, Gova, Rajam,*
Not voting:
Kantrip, Sangfroid Warrior, Ryker, Raziek, Glyph
Night actions due by Wednesday at 3:00 p.m. EST. If they're sent in faster, night ends faster.
Ryker - MOD, MOD, MOD
Glyph - MOD, MOD, MOD, MOD, Inferno, Gova, Rajam,*
Not voting:
Kantrip, Sangfroid Warrior, Ryker, Raziek, Glyph
Night actions due by Wednesday at 3:00 p.m. EST. If they're sent in faster, night ends faster.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Stop Raz....
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Ok, lets hear the stuffs.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Inferno, did you stop yourself?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Observe results:
Watched Ryker, Tracked Kantrip in the event he went for a safer kill that wasn't me.
Kantrip -> Raziek
Kantrip -> Ryker
Abilities Involved:
Night Kill
Investigate.
vote: Kantrip
Watched Ryker, Tracked Kantrip in the event he went for a safer kill that wasn't me.
Kantrip -> Raziek
Kantrip -> Ryker
Abilities Involved:
Night Kill
Investigate.
vote: Kantrip
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Yeah, but didn't get anything from OS. It says I would be notified. I know I sent it to myself, but I didn't get notified like the role said it would.
You guys think 1 mod vote on me will hurt?
You guys think 1 mod vote on me will hurt?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
If he's hated, I don't care. He's scum.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
No, but I'm glad it failed. If you were vote-blocked it would be terrible for town if we ML.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Want me to test it on a Kantrip vote?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
You said you would be notified if you were stopped right? If you weren't I'm guessing you aren't.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
That does make sense, but I'm wondering if he just decided to not do it due to me knowing I stopped myself.
Raziek unvote Kantrip real fast.
Raziek unvote Kantrip real fast.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Just get clarification. We don't need permanent mod-votes going into LYLO if we mis-lynch.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Wait they're permanent? Did not know that. Yeah going to OS for clarification.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Why would I unvote? If he's hated I just hammered him.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
I was gonna test my VB. OS forgot to post that I was stopped and I just received it. So I'm VB'd.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
So do you still need the unvote, then, or are you sure now?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
I'm guessing that's game. GG?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Oops, thread wasn't locked my bad.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Finally.
Raziek results? Rajam if you have any?
Raziek results? Rajam if you have any?
Rajam
Smash Champion
No results
N4 I mimic'd Ryker and targeted Inferno
N5 I mimic'd Raziek and targeted Raziek. All my case on Inferno was strongly based on him flipping mafia, not indy, but now with Kantrip's flip and basically knowing now we're hunting an indy, my main focus is on Raziek now.
I haven't received results of any sort any Night. I didn't want to mimic Inferno because we still haven't confirmed if he spent the voteblock, and potentially mimic'ing a voteblock now would be extremely dumb. So I decided to mimic Raziek and target himself, with the hope of getting track/watch results (which I didn't), and in case Raziek would do something scummy, he would also do it to himself.
I think Gova is town. No inconsistences, plus I mimic'd him twice N1 and N2 and nothing really happened.
I'll yell a lot to Inferno (or Raziek) post-game if they're town, due specially to their lies during mass claim allegedly due to gambit reasons. I'm a pro LAL policy specially in these kind of cases, nonetheless, if I were to apply LAL now, both Inferno and Raziek should die, and both can't be scum.
As I said, my main suspicion is now on Raziek after Kantrip's flip. Kantrip flipping mafia doesn't clear Raziek at all; although his abilities are most likely true, his motives and (lack of) actions D3 and D4 are what bother me the most. After the mass claim, Raziek basically knew for certain Kantrip was scum because he didn't claim a Night Kill and instead lied with the Lionsguard Servitude ability, so the slight possibility of town vig was out. Nonetheless, Raziek let the pressure on Glyph grow both D3 and D4, same with Inferno; it didn't make any sense to hide information after the mass claim, specially since Raziek went last in that mass claim, and also, two scum were already dead from D2, but those flips lead in wrong directions such as Glyph and Inferno. There was no real motive to hide Raziek's info regarding Kantrip since we already were claiming everything, and corner the last scum would bring a huge advantage to town.
Raziek recently claimed his results on Kantrip on the extension on D4... Also, although Kantrip was the one saying this, it isn't less important to consider the inconsistence that Raziek claimed to see a non-targeted ability (insult iirc, confirmed by Ryker or Sangfroid to be a non-targeted ability), but didn't saw the execute on Gheb N1 despite watching him.
Finally, I'd also like to mention that Raziek, so far, can track, watch, see the names of the abilities involved (he can even see Night Kills!), and use a one-shot bulletproof (something like a dragoon?)... in a setup that can be played several times, that's absurd imo for a town role
Regarding Inferno now, the points that remain on him are his lie during mass claim, saying later it was a gambit (basically the same thing Raziek did, although Raziek claimed to hide the information to be able to detect all scums later), and his weird lack of any actions N2 (Inferno claimed that he did nothing... with him being a dragoon)
Anyways, with Raziek and Inferno looking as the main scum candidates, it reinforces my town read on Gova. Most likely also, Raziek is the last scum.
FoS: Raziek
I want to know where's everyone's head, as well as the respective claims from actions taken during N4 and N5 as well as the motivations.
N4 I mimic'd Ryker and targeted Inferno
N5 I mimic'd Raziek and targeted Raziek. All my case on Inferno was strongly based on him flipping mafia, not indy, but now with Kantrip's flip and basically knowing now we're hunting an indy, my main focus is on Raziek now.
I haven't received results of any sort any Night. I didn't want to mimic Inferno because we still haven't confirmed if he spent the voteblock, and potentially mimic'ing a voteblock now would be extremely dumb. So I decided to mimic Raziek and target himself, with the hope of getting track/watch results (which I didn't), and in case Raziek would do something scummy, he would also do it to himself.
I think Gova is town. No inconsistences, plus I mimic'd him twice N1 and N2 and nothing really happened.
I'll yell a lot to Inferno (or Raziek) post-game if they're town, due specially to their lies during mass claim allegedly due to gambit reasons. I'm a pro LAL policy specially in these kind of cases, nonetheless, if I were to apply LAL now, both Inferno and Raziek should die, and both can't be scum.
As I said, my main suspicion is now on Raziek after Kantrip's flip. Kantrip flipping mafia doesn't clear Raziek at all; although his abilities are most likely true, his motives and (lack of) actions D3 and D4 are what bother me the most. After the mass claim, Raziek basically knew for certain Kantrip was scum because he didn't claim a Night Kill and instead lied with the Lionsguard Servitude ability, so the slight possibility of town vig was out. Nonetheless, Raziek let the pressure on Glyph grow both D3 and D4, same with Inferno; it didn't make any sense to hide information after the mass claim, specially since Raziek went last in that mass claim, and also, two scum were already dead from D2, but those flips lead in wrong directions such as Glyph and Inferno. There was no real motive to hide Raziek's info regarding Kantrip since we already were claiming everything, and corner the last scum would bring a huge advantage to town.
Raziek recently claimed his results on Kantrip on the extension on D4... Also, although Kantrip was the one saying this, it isn't less important to consider the inconsistence that Raziek claimed to see a non-targeted ability (insult iirc, confirmed by Ryker or Sangfroid to be a non-targeted ability), but didn't saw the execute on Gheb N1 despite watching him.
Finally, I'd also like to mention that Raziek, so far, can track, watch, see the names of the abilities involved (he can even see Night Kills!), and use a one-shot bulletproof (something like a dragoon?)... in a setup that can be played several times, that's absurd imo for a town role
Regarding Inferno now, the points that remain on him are his lie during mass claim, saying later it was a gambit (basically the same thing Raziek did, although Raziek claimed to hide the information to be able to detect all scums later), and his weird lack of any actions N2 (Inferno claimed that he did nothing... with him being a dragoon)
Anyways, with Raziek and Inferno looking as the main scum candidates, it reinforces my town read on Gova. Most likely also, Raziek is the last scum.
FoS: Raziek
I want to know where's everyone's head, as well as the respective claims from actions taken during N4 and N5 as well as the motivations.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Rajam, you're misunderstanding Raziek's role to a degree but still I think he's the most likely to be scum as well.
Rajam
Smash Champion
uh? How's that?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
His track and watch only pick up the actions that happen between players. He doesn't get player x visited player y or player y was visited by player x.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Um, I DO get that, Gova.
Larger post when not on phone.
Larger post when not on phone.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Really.... I'm pretty sure I didn't misread your claim. Let me check again.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Yeah.. okay. Explain this then?
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
You misunderstand. I have to mix and match. Did you not read my earlier results claims?
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
When you track someone, all you get is the actions the do correct? And similarly when you watch someone, you only get the actions that happen to him right?
Inferno3044
Smash Master
What he means is that Raziek will get a result like this. Let's use Gheb N1 as an example:
Gheb was visited by Inferno and Gova. The abilities used were protect and haste. Basically he knows who visited and what abilities were used but not who used them. Correct me if I'm wrong Raziek.
Gheb was visited by Inferno and Gova. The abilities used were protect and haste. Basically he knows who visited and what abilities were used but not who used them. Correct me if I'm wrong Raziek.
Raziek
Charging Limit All Day
Inferno is correct.
Watched Gova.
Tracked Inferno.
No actions taken by either party.
I'll have a response to Rajam's post later, but for now, I have to write a Russian paper.
Watched Gova.
Tracked Inferno.
No actions taken by either party.
I'll have a response to Rajam's post later, but for now, I have to write a Russian paper.
Inferno3044
Smash Master
Why would you track me? I stopped myself.