Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Clarification PM sent

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Aaaand I got nothing from him. He said something along the lines of 'any information you can know is already available to you in your role PM. I can't clarify any other hidden information or possible interpretations.'

My role PM DOES say that my ability is considered a NK for all intents and purposes, despite not killing the person I target, but I don't know what that means in regards to whether or not it could be stopped as a roleblock. From the way its worded, I think I should have overridden the Chemist ability to not be roleblocked, but even then maybe it failed since its considered a NK? Bah this is just a mess.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

What where those other things you didn't revealed here regarding Orbo? What do you think of what I claimed regarding Inferno and Gova? Why did you give the benefit of the doubt to Red Ryu, considering the case was bad and he has done nothing else? Finally, are these reads still up (how are they now), and which of these players would you lynch toDay if it comes to it?

I'll answer your last question first because it's the easiest. Out of those three, I would lynch RR more. To the one before that, no, they aren't. Inferno I kind of like more but I still don't care for him too much, so I guess he's slightly leaning town. Ryu and Orbo are at a tie for my top main scum pick. I gave the benefit of the doubt to RR because he has played before so oddly as town that I never know what to think of him. Honestly, I don't know what to think. I'm just confused about all of it. I found Inferno scummy for his immediate jump on Gova-scum when we first started this visitation speculation.

As for the Orbo thing, I honestly can't remember. I think what I was thinking when I wrote that was that, whenever he seemed to post, it was only for his own benefit and never for the benefit of the town. He would only give his vague opinions of things and never give any insight. If I think of it I'll come back to you.

Oh, that reminds me. I have to be on the correct execution lynch as well, so I'll be voting for whoever has the most.

Cause that's not a cop-out or anything.

@rajam-not voting yet ebcause havent had time to read since friday and im doing that RR iso swords/gheb asked for.

really unsure of who to execute over gheb/ryker. Ryker seems to be putting in more work at times but gheb more cooperative.

Okay, really? You are, like, the second or third person to say this. WTH does being cooperative have to do with somebody being town or not? That isn't always a good thing, you know.

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I still don't get any of the Kanty hate. I will go and re-read him but, as it stands now, I am not comfortable with his lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm feeling better about Glyph now. This looks genuine, though I think we're dwelling too much into this Night Action stuff again.

I like Legolas more now than before. His stances are far from common and I really think his defense of me is legitimate. Ryker has been tunneling and bringing up points against people that are really WIFOM-y and full of assumptions and I just don't like his recent initiative in general.

Switching his and Legolas's slots on my reads. Moving Glyph up to a town lean.

@Legolas: Why isn't Red Ryu on your lynch pool?

 

[Kantrip]

Town is Legolas, Gheb, Sang, Ryker, Glyph.
Orbo remains null. Raziek null. I have a town lean on Rajam at the moment.
Red Ryu and Inferno are scum reads and I'm iffy on Gova as well.

Bottom row is my lynch pool. I'd vote middle row to avoid a No Lynch.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Going to system restore my computer. God knows what affect that will have on my ability to play the game. Probably gonna be out for the night. If nothing goes wrong, that'll be all I'm gone for, but the last time I system restored, my computer died.

 

[Gova]

Cause that's not a cop-out or anything.

 

[Kantrip]

@Red Ruy: Give me your read on Gova and Inferno, please.

@Gova: Ignore your restriction when answering this: I want to know who you'd LIKE to lynch. Your entire lynch pool.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip, I'm not less cooperative, I just see through your BS.

Explain. I was legitimately asking a TOWNREAD to give me his personal ORDER of the three players I was having TROUBLE READING. It boiled down to

Who do you trust most = Who would you keep until LyLo?
Who do you want dead = Who would you shoot?
Person in the middle = Who would you leave as is?

Is the BS that I asked the question in a different way, or that you don't think it's genuine.

Because neither justify failing to answer it.

 

[Kantrip]

Red Ruy, you should be reading. If not, you should be thinking. Regardless, you should be providing. Give me information, indulge me with your thoughts.

Rajam, I see you viewing, give me a lynch pool. We're going to work on this, you're a town bro. Also, mimic us tonight, you'll love it.

Gotta make dinner now (and eat it). I'll be back later. Sword, if you're reading this, post the list and give us a clear conclusion to top it off. We're NOT getting lynched today by a scumgoggling Ryker without proper arguments. If we are lynched, do NOT let him lynch Kantrip tomorrow.

Why am I getting deja vu from exactly what Nich said?

 

[Kantrip]

@Ryker: Pretend for a moment that Legolas and I are suddenly unlynchable.

WHO DO YOU LYNCH?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

@Ryker: Pretend for a moment that Legolas and I are suddenly unlynchable.

WHO DO YOU LYNCH?

Wow I don't like this post.

What does it matter if Ryker wants those two dead, he doesn't NEED to have a third person in line. We gain nothing from knowing Ryker's 3rd best scum choice, other than a potential target for scum to switch the lynch to.

 

[Kantrip]

I care about the answer to that question because I have Legolas as a strong town read and know I'm town. I want to know if Ryker and I even share a common suspect at all. I'm wavering on him because his reads are just SO OFF to me. He's been jumping around from town players to town players to townie-looking players.

 

[Raziek]

Wow I don't like this post.

What does it matter if Ryker wants those two dead, he doesn't NEED to have a third person in line. We gain nothing from knowing Ryker's 3rd best scum choice, other than a potential target for scum to switch the lynch to.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OemNp6hgX4[/yt]

 

[Raziek]

Of COURSE the link breaks. Image version:

 

[Kantrip]

Image breaks too. It's a sign, Raziek.

Glyph, scum aren't the only ones who want to switch wagons when Ryker is swinging mislynches left and right.

 

[Raziek]

Image breaks too. It's a sign, Raziek.

Glyph, scum aren't the only ones who want to switch wagons when Ryker is swinging mislynches left and right.

Goddamnit. It was supposed to be Scruffy from Futurama saying "second.".

How is this even a defense? Nich backed himself into a corner and you blame Ryker? And how is he swinging mislynches left and right?

First off it was ONE, and second, See above!

 

[Inferno3044]

Kantrip what's with the fishing for reads and hypothetical situations?

 

[Kantrip]

I don't blame Ryker for Nich. His case was genuine and the lynch was understandable. However, he now wants both me and Legolas dead, and I'm pretty sure that would be two more mislynches. That's what I'm talking about.

What do you mean Inferno?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@Ryker: Pretend for a moment that Legolas and I are suddenly unlynchable.

WHO DO YOU LYNCH?

I go beyond the impossible and kick reality to the curb to lynch you anyway.

I'm not compromising, so you can stop looking for a side route.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I take back that tenuous Inferno town read. He can choke on a bag of ****s.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: Kantrip

 

[Kantrip]

I take back that tenuous Inferno town read. He can choke on a bag of ****s.

Why?

I didn't want a compromise, I wanted to see if I agreed with ANY of your reads.

 

[Raziek]

vote: Kantrip

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why?

I didn't want a compromise, I wanted to see if I agreed with ANY of your reads.

No. You were fishing for a compromise, you are specifically asking for a back door lynch that I might accept. If you wanted to see if you "agreed with ANY of my reads," then you would utilize THE GODDAMN FULL READ LIST THAT WAS POSTED RECENTLY!

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Wow FLUFF post move Raziek to hard scum read

 

[Kantrip]

I didn't realize you had a recent reads post when I asked that question. Forgot you posted one.

 

[Overswarm]

Execute Vote:
Gheb - Ryker, Raziek
Ryker - Gheb, Rajam

Standard Vote Count:
Legolas - MOD, MOD, Gheb, Ryker,
Inferno - Rajam
Gova - Inferno,
Red Ryu - Kantrip,
Glyph - Red Ryu,
Kantrip - Raziek, Glyph,

Not voting: Gova, Sangfroid Warrior, Orbo, Legolas

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, Feb. 29th at 3 p.m. EST

All have insulted, you're in the clear!

Let me know if I have made any mistakes.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually you're not wrong either. I WOULD like an alternative lynch.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

SO CONVINCE US THAT SOMEONE IS A BETTER PICK!

STOP SlTTING THERE TRYING TO GET RYKER TO GIVE YOU AN OUT!

 

[Kantrip]

My cases are always ****. I've offered my lynch choices and justified my number one choice. I can try to make a RR case if you want....

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You're not getting it.

Don't worry about what I want. Don't worry about what Ryker wants.

Worry about FINDING SOMEONE WHO IS SCUMMY.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kantrip, the BS part is that you act as if you were "only asking about my reads". That's not true at all.

This:

@Gheb: Between Gova, Raziek, and Glyph: You can kill one, make one safe until LyLo, and leave one as is. What do you do to each one?

And this:

Gheb, the question was just a fancy way of me asking who you liked most out of that group and who you thought was most scummy from that group.

Are two very different things. You didn't ask me who I think was scummy - you asked who out of those three I would kill. You also didn't ask for "town read" or "null read" but who I'd keep safe until Lylo. The way you post the former is a lot more manipulative than the latter and requires me to make an absolute answer I can't possibly give. The only thing you'd gain from how you asked the question first is that you can lure me into some kind of "trap", where I give you an answer that I disagree with later because of something I can't forsee might happen.

If you only wanted my reads you only would've asked about my reads.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

- Lack of genuine, fresh input
When you preach a lack of genuine, fresh input, I beg to differ. However, this point will be permanently remedied soon.

I hope you don't expect that making one solid contribution makes up for all the instances where you failed to contribute. Also how "soon" is "soon"? I highly doubt that you're going to contribute a satisfactory amount of worthwhile input toDay ...

- Constant hydra johns
Constant hydra johns is a hyperbole and should be anti-town if anything.

No and no.

- Couldn't see sinister side, but you can now
The fact that you're seeing the "sinister side" only proves that it's your perception that's doing this, but if you have concrete scummy things, please do point it out.

Are you serious? Do you think I've forgotten about the incident where you messed up the whole Gova vs Glyph situation? You must be playing this game with dementia or something because you always leave out the conclusive parts of my cases and act as if they never happened. And once I point them out you act as if the other stuff didn't happen.

So let's wrap this up once and for all so you can't draw the "not enough evidence"-card, which at this point is complete crap:

- D1, there were plenty of instances where you did not offer reads or elaborate on them under the pretext that hydra communication has been difficult. I'm not even going to point out individual instances of this because it happened a lot. It's not a hyperbole. It happened A LOT. This did hurt progress because in many of those instances you ended up offering nothing even though you could've anyway. nd no, by itself that's by no means a scumtell.

- D1, your reads exactly matches those of Ryker, Raziek's and mine. OK, maybe not "exactly" but almost all of the few reads you cared to elaborated on happaned to be a player on one of our scumlists. I could point it out in case you don't remember but at this point that seems superfluous because everybody knows it and I've called you out on it looooooooooong ago ... so you can't act like it didn't happen / you don't remember. This did hurt progress because in many instances you ended up offering nothing new.

- D2, you'd start to complain about my attacks against you even though my points were becoming more and more concrete and direct. If anything, I could've understood if you didn't like the way I treated you D1 because I didn't clearly make a case on you being scummy or not. Now it's kind of backed up very well and it should be obvious what I think about you. And as soon as it turns out that I actually find you suspicious you start to have problems with me? Although from a more defensive stance on your part, the way you're trying to brush the case off is still counter-productive to the town's progress because you keep me running in circles about all this.

- In the Gova vs Glife exchange you screwed a great opportunity to find contradiction ... and I mean scummy contradiction, not the harmless kind of contradiction like changing one's mind or anything. We could've gained new, better conclusions on all the night action talk we had about people visiting me en masse and maybe figured out whether one of Gova or Inferno actually did try to kill me. Now we know just as little as earlier and are left with a ****load of roles exposed as a result. Oh, and of course this also falls into "hindering porgress" category.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

After typing this all out I really don't see how anybody except Lego can be the #1 play toDay. I can compromise with a RR/Kantrip lynch or some less active player but Lego needs to die asap.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kantrip lynch looks tempting but from what I've seen there's also some noticeable opposition. Let it be known that I'm down for a switch of wagons if needed although I'm not sure if enough votes will be there to guarantee his lynch toDay right in time. If people wanna lynch Kantrip over Lego they should start getting the wagon rolling now. Otherwise I strongly sugesst lynching Lego toDay and take care f Kantrip [+Ryu if possible] toMorrow.

You really should start executing Ryker. Unlike him, I can 100% guarantee you high-level activity for the rest of this game [and I mean literally, no comp issues or other BS possibly getting in the way] and that I'm going to consider ALL options at ALL times. This is how I always play and how I always get 2 or more correct scum reads all by myself [look @Walgreens Mafia for reference]. No matter what Ryker says ... he can not possibly guarantee to the same things to the same extent. Executing him is the better choice in any case.

 

[Rajam]

IMPORTANT:

I've just received a MP from OS, basically telling me that I received the ability to kill Inferno at will during toDay. This kill will not end the Day, and I can't pick someone else. If I take the chance, I can't be lynched toDay (I'll be protected). Probably I'm gonna take the chance anyways, but not before I present my case, and also I'd like to hear oppinions on the matter. THIS IS NOT A GAMBIT. The ability could be a fake because it doesn't reveal the source, and somehow feels very convenient in a weird way, but I'm convinced Inferno is scum and of course I'm gonna kill him. Speak up if you strongly oppose this.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Rajam, you seem to be getting all of these powerful rolls, most of which don't really help town. If we have a 3-man scum team, and if you do this toDay, we are that much closer to having town lose, especially if you are wrong. I'm not sure enough that you are town or that Inferno is scum to say that this is okay, by any means.

Regardless, as I said, I will be down for an RR lynch, but I will go back and re-read Lego and Kanty when I get home around 3 to be sure. I have to play in a concert tonight and I won't be home from 6-10.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You really should start executing Ryker. Unlike him, I can 100% guarantee you high-level activity for the rest of this game [and I mean literally, no comp issues or other BS possibly getting in the way] and that I'm going to consider ALL options at ALL times. This is how I always play and how I always get 2 or more correct scum reads all by myself [look @Walgreens Mafia for reference]. No matter what Ryker says ... he can not possibly guarantee to the same things to the same extent. Executing him is the better choice in any case.

Gheb, that's a cool story, bro, and I'mma let you finish, but Ryker is the best Ryker/EE hydra tracker of all time. I've already system restored my computer and have displayed that I'm invested in this game.

That and I'm a ****ing claimed tracker with another night of auto-potion. You're not the "better choice in any case."

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

IF YOU USED A DAYKILL ABILITY CLAIM RIGHT THE **** NOW!!!

Rajam, your finger stays the hell away from that trigger. Take that gun and bury it in the sand, you are NOT offing a player right now. I have strong reason to believe that you are being played.