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[SangfroidWarrior]

What is the point of this conversation.....?

Sang, tell me what you gained in asking Acro to continue explaining this number thing?

There wasn't supposed to be any point. I was being sarcastic. I mean, there really is no point to stating numbers.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

What is the point of this conversation.....?

Sang, tell me what you gained in asking Acro to continue explaining this number thing?

Sang asked me why I included numbers. I did it to address that this is very likely going to be a miss lynch and it shouldn't surprise anyone if it is given the fact that we don't have a full cast for a large game and also the notion that scum has likely dictated this lynch in their favor. As stated previously I feel that this lynch is TvT. However as I have no scum reads on the table, I'm going with who I think is the better lynch at this point.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why are you getting so defensive about me re-asking for your reason? I just want to know what it is in short-hand form. I'm voting RR because he reads null to me but my gut feels bad about this lynch. There is nothing wrong with my head. I'm actually being quite logical. There is a difference between head and gut. My head says that RR is anti-town but my gut tells me that there are no scum mates connections with RR and this has a high chance of being a miss lynch. If you want to know I think that today is set-up between two townies. But I can't really help it because I haven't found anyone I believe is inherently scummy based on today. I should have a scum read, but I don't. Therefore I'm going with this PL in my mind hoping that it helps me make a decision for tomorrow.

I'm not getting defensive Herr Fraulein. However you say in a majority of your post, "I already stated why, you already went against what I said, and I already re-said it." which is pretty much what I'm getting at, I've said it for a while now.

You don't even have one scum-read......? Da hell? Whoa wait what? You just said that RR wasn't a PL but it was a ML that we should just get out of the way. You are contradicting yourself now.

Getting you my short-cut reasons for RR in just a sec.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

The reasons are PL. If he flips town then the PL reasons resulted in an ML.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Yes I'm getting very close to you this game Sang. So hey buddy, could you like go stand on that podium and put your head through the rope? It'll make for a great picture! I swear! Nothing's gonna happen.

I rofl'ed at that part. Such a you thing to say.

Also if you are explaining your RR thing already then I will wait to see it because that will clear up some things up in your response. Regardless, your tone in the last line is a bit too biting/defensive for my tastes.

Working on it. Almost done. Gotta do some touch-ups. And, I would apologize for it but... I'm changing my view because I'm getting answers and you make it seem like I'm changing views for no reason at all. It did not need to be that... jerk-sounding, and I apologize for it. Your post just kind of struck a chord with me, and I am tired and short-tempered, so I'm sorry.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sang asked me why I included numbers. I did it to address that this is very likely going to be a miss lynch and it shouldn't surprise anyone if it is given the fact that we don't have a full cast for a large game and also the notion that scum has likely dictated this lynch in their favor. As stated previously I feel that this lynch is TvT. However as I have no scum reads on the table, I'm going with who I think is the better lynch at this point.

This post is complete and utter garbage. One sec, bringing up a post of intrest w.r.t. this.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Acro. Is there a reason you feel comfortable lynching a person you think is town without trying to get one of your mafia-reads lynched? You don't have to sheep on one vote just because everyone else is doing it.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Acro. Is there a reason you feel comfortable lynching a person you think is town without trying to get one of your mafia-reads lynched? You don't have to sheep on one vote just because everyone else is doing it.

He's not a town read. I just feel bad about the outcome of this lynch and feel there is a likelihood that he will flip town. His play has been inherently anti-town, but I don't feel that it particularly points to being scummy as he didn't really try to push on anyone with enough intent to cause a miss lynch.

I haven't been comfortable at any point in this game. Since the beginning I've had to explain everything and even my attempts at trying to start a conversation resulted in people stating that I was doing a bad job. J is telling me my posts are garbage. So honestly I am very uncomfortable witht this game as a whole and I have no "OMG THIS GUY IS MAFIA LET US GET HIM INSTEAD OF RR|SEIKEND" and that is horrible because I should have that someone, but I don't. I'm not sheeping. His play is anti-town. He should go.

 

[#HBC | J]

Here is your RR vote post.

Alright thanks. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Herp. Putting RR at L-2. Reason is on #372.

Unvote, Vote: Red Ryu

Let's bring up #372:

@RR: RR an explanation to why you decided to transition from me to Seikend would be nice. When I asked you to come at me, I wanted you to come at me so I could see you scumhunting and being pro-town before we decided to lynch. Bleck.

You moved onto RR for this reasoning, implying that he was a new scum-pick of yours after you had been corrected by myself and Daddy. However now you say that you are only voting him because he is a ML/PL which you just started to change because you talk as if you know he is going to flip town.

It's a contradiction to what you had originally thought. Especially moreso that you say that you now have absolutely no scum-reads which in itself is ridiculous.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Fine fine. And yet you know he is going to flip town? *sigh* I'll let J cover this until he's done with his questions. If I have any after he's done I'll let you know. Problem is, we've already gone through this with RR questioning you on the same thing.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

You moved onto RR for this reasoning, implying that he was a new scum-pick of yours after you had been corrected by myself and Daddy. However now you say that you are only voting him because he is a ML/PL which you just started to change because you talk as if you know he is going to flip town.

It's a contradiction to what you had originally thought. Especially moreso that you say that you now have absolutely no scum-reads which in itself is ridiculous.

No. It's the same thing. RR said he foses me. He doesn't scum hunt me. He doesn't try to see who my partners are. He thinks I'm scum because of JTB and that is the crux of his argument. He doesn't develop beyond this. He fundamentally foses me for little to no reason and he doesn't bother to push on me as a scum read. If you want my "bottom-of-the-barrel" reads then I could scrape up those:

7. Dad
2. Tom
13. SangfroidWarrior
4. Leopard Skin Taser (Gordito/July)
9. Red Ryu
11. Sephiroths Masamune

 

[#HBC | J]

He's not a town read. I just feel bad about the outcome of this lynch and feel there is a likelihood that he will flip town. His play has been inherently anti-town, but I don't feel that it particularly points to being scummy as he didn't really try to push on anyone with enough intent to cause a miss lynch.

You just said the argument is TvT w.r.t. the lynch which implies you have town reads on RR|Seik. Also you keep saying he is going to be a ML which shows that you believe he is gonna flip town.

I haven't been comfortable at any point in this game. Since the beginning I've had to explain everything and even my attempts at trying to start a conversation resulted in people stating that I was doing a bad job. J is telling me my posts are garbage. So honestly I am very uncomfortable witht this game as a whole and I have no "OMG THIS GUY IS MAFIA LET US GET HIM INSTEAD OF RR|SEIKEND" and that is horrible because I should have that someone, but I don't. I'm not sheeping. His play is anti-town. He should go.

You are sheeping if you are just voting RR to vote him because you don't have any other scum-picks....

Also that's an over-inducing amount of AtE for the pity card.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

There are little to no reasons behind his fos on me or his transitions on anyone such as Seikend. He didn't really bother to rebut my accusations. Again his lack of explanations and answers are anti-town. However I still don't see them as necessarily being scummy.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Could you explain your reads?

 

[#HBC | J]

Could you explain your reads?

^This

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[#HBC | Acrostic]

You just said the argument is TvT w.r.t. the lynch which implies you have town reads on RR|Seik. Also you keep saying he is going to be a ML which shows that you believe he is gonna flip town.

I stated that I "feel" this lynch is between townies. This again pertains to my "gut." And yes, I have a "gut" feeling that he will flip town. Again I don't see why this is such a major problem with you.

You are sheeping if you are just voting RR to vote him because you don't have any other scum-picks.... Also that's an over-inducing amount of AtE for the pity card.

I don't want any pity. I'm just stating how I feel. How people take it is up to them. They can choose to take it, ignore it, or slander it. RR is at the bottom of my list. He can go.

 

[JTB]

Unvote
Vote: Red Ruy

here you go j

 

[#HBC | J]

I stated that I "feel" this lynch is between townies. This again pertains to my "gut." And yes, I have a "gut" feeling that he will flip town. Again I don't see why this is such a major problem with you.

Because in your PoV it is heavily anti-town to vote a town-read of yours even if is based on gut. What you are doing is extremely scummy behaviour because you are lynching RR, just to lynch him.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ruy

here you go j

Thanks.

About 24 hours till deadline now.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

So, are we still waiting on Acro's reasons or are we just going whenever?

 

[#HBC | J]

So, are we still waiting on Acro's reasons or are we just going whenever?

He's stated his reasonings, I'd like to hear from you now.

Then I'll go if still necessary.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

12. Panta - Thought mafia had day talk, dumb tell
14. Seikend - Tone in posts seem less constricted then in Newbie 13, still seems to be careless and forget to do what he promises but I think that is potentially a character trait.
8. Hilt - Admits that D1 is good for a PL, seems to have thought out posts. Sitting at the bottom because his votes seem to jump to people after someone is leading them.
1. Tandora - Based on my conversation with Inferno I think I want to see more of her slot rather than move to a lynch.
3. J - Active and making conversation, don't want to lynch due to discussion material.
5. AggressiveMediation (Ryker/Laundry) - Curious about reads from other people even though he makes it difficult for other people to read him, still comes across as town due to his intent of interest in others.
7. Dad - Doesn't follow through with explanations on reads, has given us hydra centered justification.
2. Tom - Inactive.
13. SangfroidWarrior - Inactive. Replaced Ignatius (will reconsider this read)
4. Leopard Skin Taser (Gordito/July) - Has really been dead most of this game despite trying to keep up content.
9. Red Ryu - Gone over.
11. Sephiroths Masamune - Inactive|Trying to be active without being active. Possibly trying to avoid a PL?

 

[JTB]

Sang is inactive? She seems pretty active to me for replacing in so late.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm kind of lost when you called Sang inactive.....

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: Lol dat ninja.

JTB, your opinion Acro from what you have read thus far would be superb. What do you think of his reads?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Because in your PoV it is heavily anti-town to vote a town-read of yours even if is based on gut. What you are doing is extremely scummy behaviour because you are lynching RR, just to lynch him.

My gut says that a lot of people are town. We would get nowhere if we listened to it. Hence you have practical decision of me going for a PL because my gut is often mistaken. Take it as scummy. I've given you my reason.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Um. The list position was made just as Sang replaced in for Iggy. I'd probably have her crossed out as a no-lynch prospect for today. Sorry about that.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wait a minute, those aren't your updated reads that you just gave us within this hour?

 

[JTB]

I'm actually surprised by your Seph read too. I would call him scummy for saying he would lynch RR without giving any reasoning other than not seeing the scumminess of Seikend.

I'll get to you J. I'm finding it easier to just ask questions about what is going on now then trying to cram the entire thread into my head, so I don't have a definite read atm.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Wait a minute, those aren't your updated reads that you just gave us within this hour?

Reads were given just now off of my head. The list was made when Sang replaced Ignatius. List would have few shifts. I would consider doing a reposition on Hilt, Seph, and Sang based on what I've been able to skim.

 

[#HBC | J]

What in the world compelled you to give us your out-dated reads when you were updating us?

Show us what they look like with the shifts in mind and get back to us.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm actually surprised by your Seph read too. I would call him scummy for saying he would lynch RR without giving any reasoning other than not seeing the scumminess of Seikend.

I'll get to you J. I'm finding it easier to just ask questions about what is going on now then trying to cram the entire thread into my head, so I don't have a definite read atm.

Agreed and aight.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Reasons why I dislike RR and think he is scum:
1) He tells people not to stop the content at #119 but hasn't really offered much up for himself at that point.
2) He argues with Acro that Acro saying JTB is scummy will get people to vote for JTB. Pretty baseless being as people know that JTB is town.
3) In mostly all of his posts he makes comments but doesn't really give any reasons as to why he is feeling the way he is. Instead, he chooses to post quotes, expecting those to answer the questions as a cop-out of having to actually answer.
4) Earlier, he said that his views on Hilt were changing because of Hilt's posts but didn't really explain what had changed his views.
5) Later, he says that Panta has caught his eye as a scum pick after somebody else said something similar. He, also, doesn't give very many reasons as to why he does this.
6) When he does start to defend himself from people's questions it is for why he's willing to lynch inactives, not on his votes.
7) He says that Acro's posts don't seem to be doing any scum-hunting while his don't either.
8) He says to vote for either Acro, Seph, or Panta. Seph is explained (bieng absent, even though he was there for a while). Acro is... slightly explained. Panta is never explained, even though he says he has.
9) He says that Seikend destroyed his town read on him after the dislike of Seikend started slightly forming. Also, RR never, in any of his posts, said that he liked Seikend as town. He gives his reasons, but I don't like it.
10) He's dropped the Panta dislike and hasn't given any information as to why.
11) Later, he votes for Seph. Seems like he's jumping between votes pretty quickly.
12) He gives his reads in #562 but doesn't explain the town and null reads.
13) Most of his latest posts are him defending his claim.
14) He doesn't give reasons for voting somebody unless asked, and even then he mostly refers that person back to different posts in which the reasons are flimsy.
15) Then he says he hates Acro but will instead vote for Seikend.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Unvote
Vote: Acrostic

Why the hell are we not lynching him?!

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I seriously can't believe people are going through with my lynch at all with how Acro has been posting.

J when I flip town, if tomorrow doesn't end in an Acro lynch I'm gonna be very salty.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'll get to your question in a sec Sang. Promise.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Seikend lynch is better

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Dad are you going to hammer on RR or are you going to force an NL?

 

[#HBC | J]

You have yet to say why Soupa Daddy besides an apparant revelation.

I'm gonna digest 632 in a sec.

I'm also gritting my teeth at a few things but hmph.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Wait. Wasn't the deadline today?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Nope.

@J. What are you gritting your teeth about?