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[Aggressive Mediation]

Gordito head here, haven't gotten to talk to the July head because she's always so darn busy (July where are you?!?). Anyways still feeling solid in our Seikend read.



Yes we can :D

Seikend's first post was legit and with the game just getting going he really seemed like he'd provide content. Here:



He says that he'll prolly be able to read AM the easiest and that the current content is garbage, and that was a good sign and I liked where he was going with it. And all the questions could have provided some really good content and conversation.

Yet in his next post, his #105, he doesn't follow up on any of his questions he asked before. It's also disappointing because this:


And a "big null" on Seph in response to J's question to him are the extent of the reads in that post.

#128 he puts his vote on Hilt, but also addresses his suspicions of Red Ryu. His #228 addresses some questions to his scum read Hilt, but ends with two very subtle statements about other players that can "go" too:



I can agree on RR but his issues with AM are that they haven't justified anything, but I don't agree, they've been active and providing reads since they started posting. With RR it seems like he may have been setting himself up to hop on a budding RR wagon as well.

Finally #250 has no content and then just a sudden vote on RR, for what reason? He's feeling better about Hilt, but nothing new to add about RR since his last post.




Not happy with Red Ryu's play either. His #260 is a massive post devoted to defending himself for his push on Acrostic and for his focus on the inactives. There's some self-meta in there, but even worse there no new content.

I also found this post amusing:



Where RR infers that only having two scum picks is bad, which comes only a couple posts after this:





That's 7 people that RR apparently feels comfortable with dying...that's just extreme.

I don't think a Seikend and RR scum team is likely, because Seikend didn't hesitate to put his vote on RR after jumping off Hilt. Between the two I'm feeling Seikend scum is more likely than RR.

Unvote
Vote: Seikend

ZETTA SEXY! One of you ignorant integers is intelligent enough to do the math we laid out!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiF89D9cGNk
(click that you factoring hectopascals!)

So Dad equals X, for this equation
Our read on you is a mathematics sensation.
How we converse will be rap relation
Can you keep up with our multiplication?

Alright, you dad of a digit, now listen real well
How you entered this game was a certain town tell
To defend Acrostic, goddamn that was swell
Other reads are not equal, for that go to hell.
All in all, you lean town though, but there you can't dwell.

Some of your scum reads have yet to factor.
LST is a null, if his lynch you were after.
Your math is wrong and a major read detractor.
From town tell to leaning, which certainly matters.

But J's matrix is empty, and not a solution
J plus Dad scum is not a reasonable conclusion.
If one must go, it's J's I'd call an illusion
So Dad must be town, despite his confusion.
Now look over our math and check our resolution.

2+1=3 times posted! -1=2 times reposted! You have t-2 days to give us fatherly rhythms you blubbering binomial! So zetta slow!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Wut. Pretty sure I was one of the first to talk about RR in my #228. but okay.




AM is null leaning scum for now.

Seph is town I think, but I don't like his response to his opinion on Hilt. Didn't really give a definitive answer to the question iirc.

Panta as a confident town read.

@J Why do you find Panta scummy?



Why? I questioned Hilt, I found his answers good and so I stopped pushing him and looked elsewhere. I'm not going to keep arguing if I think I'm wrong.




Dad is the Kuz/Soup Hydra, but carry on.



Wut.

The only people who had responded to my questions at that point were Acrostic and Seph.

I thought Seph was lacking in content (as I say in my #105), and then proceed to question him on his stances on two players.

His response to my initial question was contentless, so I asked a different question to get content from him. Is that so difficult to understand?



They weren't subtle. I straight up say that they're scummy and go. Do I need to write out my suspicions in a 10 line paragraph for you to notice it? Do I need to write them in big bold red text?

Why is it unacceptable to explain scumreads in one line if they're explainable in one line?



They haven't justified anything.

Yes, they've been active, yes they've provided reads. THEY HAVENT JUSTIFIED THOSE READS. Ughhhh.

You're not even disagreeing with me here, what is thisssss.



BECAUSE THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE RR VOTE IS THAT HE'S NOT DOING ANYTHING.

THERE'S NOTHING TO ADD.


Look, LST. Your case on me is essentially that I'm not explaining every read I have or change with paragraphs of text. Why should I if it's explainable in 1?

But no matter, how about I do it now?

Seph lacked any content, and his response to my initial question was wishy washy. However, town can be unsure of what they think of someone too. It's null, at least for one read. And so I question him on more reads to establish a read on him.

I felt Hilt was deliberately attempting to intimidate me and had an unjustified vote on Panta, but on questioning I found that the abrasiveness was just Hilt's nature and the vote was fair enough.

@LST Do you disagree with me? Was I wrong to back down? Because you seem to agree with me here that Hilt is town. So why was I scummy to stop pushing Hilt and move on?

The entire case on RR is that he's not scumhunting. It doesn't need to be explained anymore than that.




I don't even get LST anymore. Like, he seems to literally agree with me on every read I have, but I'm somehow scummy because I didn't spoonfeed all the explanations.

bakax2
click it you factoring hectopascals!

Is this how you teach your class, professor? I'm disappointed.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@Acrostic

Panta and Inferno explained here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13106735&postcount=128

I dunno, I feel with J that when we're both town, we seem to reach similar conclusions. Liked his questioning of you early on, thought he was spot on in regards to JTB pressuring you. Unless one of J's reads or pushes seems seriously wack to me I'm very comfortable with J town.

LST was gut. Opinion maaay change based on how he continues from now.



... Just looked back and saw some questions I asked RR that I don't think he responded to. Has he responded to any of my questioning of him so far? I don't remember.

So zetta weak! I can't believe we let him teach for so long!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Currently it's AM until they respond.

Astounding! Trying to set-up the OMGUS matrix.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

forgive my absence, let me read up

So zetta slow!

 

[Dad]

Alright agressive kid, i'll lay down a couple of rhymes
this will be over in no time

I don't have the motivation
to write this proclamation
but what i lack
will lead to your devastation

so much i could say in this fatherly verse
yes, an intricate rap and rhyme
but all of these are just worth nickels and dimes

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

At this point, AM|Dad have put up the biggest barriers to being understood for their intents|motives. Looking at the play of AM it seems that his initial list was made according to having similar foses and reads. When J deviated outside from his initial expectations he put J as a null-scum read and put Seikend as scum when quoting what he had to state. AM's play in general is conceited. He has asked Dad and J to elaborate further on reads without elaborating on his own.

Any tree can drop an apple, we'll drop the freaking moon!

We've explained our reads, radian. It's not our fault you can't understand our formulas.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright agressive kid, i'll lay down a couple of rhymes
this will be over in no time

I don't have the motivation
to write this proclamation
but what i lack
will lead to your devastation

so much i could say in this fatherly verse
yes, an intricate rap and rhyme
but all of these are just worth nickels and dimes

Where's your sense of rhythm? WHERE'S YOUR BEAUTY? This verse is garbage!

CRUNCH!

I'll add it to the heap! Try again, 000s, and give us your read on us!

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Why did it take Dad 12 hours in order to clarify that there was a disagreement within the hydra in order to clarify information? Assuming that it was Soupa, Soupa basically came up with a fake reason: no one was joining the wagon when J applied pressure instead of simply admitting that there was a disagreement within the hydra itself. Perhaps Soupa felt self-conscious about having a breakdown within the hydra and wanted to cover it up? If that were the case then why is it so easy for Dad to just go, "lol Kuzi came up with that" as solo justification for WHY they are putting a vote down on RR?

Unvote, Vote: Dad

You set up the formula nicely but you're solving it the wrong way. It could just as easily be what Dad said. We have no problems with his changed solution on LST. It was the right step to make in his proof.

 

[Dad]

Done pissed me off, my anger can't be factored in mass
i'll give you my read and then you can shove it up your ***

I think you're town, but posting with a fake restriction
doesn't hurt at all but some people have been stating some confliction
while that's their game, not mine, i'll try and keep up and do some addition.

1 of you is enough, adding 2 messes up the faction,
i feel that WL is doing the work and Ryker is missing out on the action

But it's not enough to call a gripe, or to mess up this sum
keep splitting your rhymes like a insane alcoholic bum

 

[~ Gheb ~]

One more edit and you will be modkilled.

 

[Dad]

it was my first one .-.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Done pissed me off, my anger can't be factored in mass
i'll give you my read and then you can shove it up your ***

I think you're town, but posting with a fake restriction
doesn't hurt at all but some people have been stating some confliction
while that's their game, not mine, i'll try and keep up and do some addition.

1 of you is enough, adding 2 messes up the faction,
i feel that WL is doing the work and Ryker is missing out on the action

But it's not enough to call a gripe, or to mess up this sum
keep splitting your rhymes like a insane alcoholic bum

Impressive! Your beauty is showing. I'll get back to your in t-60 minutes.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM has avoided answering questions of intent and most people have glossed over AM due to the fact that he appears to not willingly answer them. This results in him being a hard read, however the fact that he is interesting and pushes people to explain their reads despite it being one-sided makes me inclined to think that he is null leaning town. Dad's hydra shenanigans on the other hand have me thrown for a loop as his justification in and of itself at times is that they are a hydra. Oh that fos was from Kooz implies that we should expect something from Kooz hopefully in a couple of minutes, hours? But literally nothing. Therefore I'm inclined to find that Dad is null leaning scum. Especially given the fact that Soupa blatantly lied and didn't really bother explaining why he did lie in the first place.

Since when do we dodge questions? We're not the Professor, we're your student teacher, a zetta sexy lover of math and art.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vote: Red Ryu

Just a heads up, we might be changing your formula, shortly.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Agreed and I think this is where some of my dislike may stem from. You are playing differently then what I would expect of you, and also knowing your train of thought based on your newbie game (congratz on your MVP just btw. ). You are definitely a slot that is gonna perplex me more then I had originally thought.

I don't like his reads for one, I don't feel he has explained his reads but merely just stated them (out of nowhere and pretty bold), and I don't agree to his push on Seik. Plus the way he dips in and out of inactivity only to pop in and comment on things, but never fully explain himself bugs me.

You're outta your vector, radian! Do you think I'm unable to show my work? Just ask for the steps! Point out the exact formula and I'll show you how we reached the conclusion.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I'm afraid I can't simplify my math for you or else you'll reach the wrong conclusions; however, I get your struggles with basic level formulas. With a teacher like the professor leading you astray, it's a wonder even LST can understand our formulas. What would you 000s like to know?

Why your reads are who they are. At least, could you point out your "equations" so I can "redo my math"?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I have asked him before and have yet to receive a response from them.

You've called us out based on our methods and style of solving problems but never questioned our actual formulas. We're obviously not going to solve all the problems. We went to great length to tell Hilt that we weren't solving every variable and posting every step to every formula. What specifically do you want to know? t-52 hours to lynch, I don't have long.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Told y'all that slot was scum.

I'll post for real later if I finish watching Glee season 2 tonight or when I talk to my hydra mate who never seems to be online/hitting me up on AIM (darn you Gordito!!!). But in the meantime I like where (unvote Vote Sangfroid Warrior) my vote is.

h-(25+5)+50=20

H IS MY HAPPINESS GORF AND THAT FORMULA IS YOUR EFFECT ON IT

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Lol, town vote blocker. What does that possibly do for town other than extremely situational end game scenarios? I'm glad you were so eager to claim, because now I definitely think you're scum.

Ryu's the play, guys. ****ty, Vivi being my favorite character.

Pardon speculation kiddos but i'm not sure if i feel RR's role is not very pro-town at all, vote blocking feels more pro-scum to be honest; it's gonna take more then a claim to get me to change my thoughts.

No worries, integers, we're going to explain why Seikend's scummier than Red Ruy. His role shouldn't be added into your formula for his variable, its value is zero.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

And you're wrong with your WIFOM on what "scum wants to do". Bull****. Who's to say one wouldn't be eager to throw out their claim that they've come up with to save themself, when they're left with nothing else? It was left between you and Seikend. Turn things on him by claiming? Force a member of town to claim before you die, so that it'll make things easier for scum to find the right target?And based on those reads, we've found our lynch. We've also found a consistency in yourself, which may or may not be the case with the others. And if it is, we'll decide what to do with them at that time.

This 000 can read the formula correctly and comes up with the right answer (0!) but then adds it to the equation anyway? What's the point? Ruy's claim has a value of 0. You don't need to add digits to your formula to make it look longer.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Yo Professor, we've got a formula with your name on it coming up soon. Your sounds shake the air, ours shake the heart.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Seik wagon, would you move to RR? Would you to stop a NL?

Reciprocate the equation, variable. I like that formula more.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@AM. I finally got some questions here for ya. Would you mind explaining your string of posts starting at #193? You state a lot of things but don't really give that much information as to why you think what you do. It goes until around 201, so that's a lot of posts to have barely anything in them. Also, explain your #212 (IE why you feel like the way you do wrt the players). In your #284, you say RR's "...iterations are not trending positive" and yet, earlier, in your reads posts, you put him as null, iirc. Finally, explain your #285.

t-60 minutes=answer to your questions. If I don't answer your questions, add to this posts' post count and I'll get to it then.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Equation for our Seikend read:

@Acrostic Are you implying you'd push a policy lynch on me for lurking/inactivity? Half the player list hasn't even posted yet. Threatening me with a policy lynch at this point is kinda dumb. Is there genuine intent behind it?

+

Tom's post looks artificial, but that might be his posting style. If his future posts look consistent I'll ignore it.

+

#34 is fine by me, but lack of content is a bit bleh. Will prompt Seph later on.

+

Comfortable with J, LST, Panta, Acrostic and Inferno as town. Everyone else is null.

+

RR being lurky and opportunistic. Not scumhunting at all. He can go.

+

AM's intro is terabad, just pointing at things and saying gross. No justification at all to anything, they can go too.

+

@Acrostic

Panta and Inferno explained here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13106735&postcount=128

I dunno, I feel with J that when we're both town, we seem to reach similar conclusions. Liked his questioning of you early on, thought he was spot on in regards to JTB pressuring you. Unless one of J's reads or pushes seems seriously wack to me I'm very comfortable with J town.

LST was gut. Opinion maaay change based on how he continues from now.

=Scum

If you're too zetta slow, ask us about it!

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I really don't see the "scummyness" of Seikend.

I'd rather go for an RR lynch.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@AM. I see him faking activity; being defensive; not taking definitive stances, only maybes; and not explaining things. I agree that he is scummy, I just think RR is being even more scummy. RR hasn't really done anything to make him seen towny in my eyes while Seikend has. I'm guessing you think RR is town?

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Or is it just the opposite of me: you feel that RR is still scummy but Seikend is just more-so?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

@AM. I see him faking activity; being defensive; not taking definitive stances, only maybes; and not explaining things. I agree that he is scummy, I just think RR is being even more scummy. RR hasn't really done anything to make him seen towny in my eyes while Seikend has. I'm guessing you think RR is town?

Add in his knack for asking questions but never actually following through with them.

5/12=Seikend's posts with scummy content, or 41.667% of his posts containing scummy content. Run the formula for Red Ruy's posts and I guarantee that the percentage will not be the same or greater. You zetta sons of digits are focusing on a formula with a higher margin of error than the guy whose margin of error should be low and yet made scummy moves in almost half his posts.

Of course, we see that Red Ruy's formula may prove him scummy but we believe Seikend has a much higher chance of solving negative.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

Alrighty. Thank you for explaining. I'll look into that.

Speaking of not follwing through...

@Everyone who hasn't answered my questions. Would you mind doing so soon? (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13133638&postcount=398)

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I may not be able to have access to a computer tomorrow in a worst-case scenario. Please plan in advance assuming I will be unable to participate for the hammer. I apologize for any difficulties in advance.

 

[#HBC | J]

I have been developing a degree of pessimism over the importance of these questions and how important they are to you in actually forming reads. Relatively early in this game you developed a fos on Red Ryu|Panta which you've still maintained despite extensive Q&A. I have begun to question how much these questions actually do affect your fos because your scum reads seem to not be tied in with your questions, only possible town reads.

Isn't that just your opinion on how to scum-hunt? I do have a use to these questions but I don't have to show my train of though 100% of the time, however 60% of the time, my thought process is known. Panda has actually been brought up considering my other reads. RR however did earn an FoS earlier on but then I formed that into a more stable read.

I really don't get what you are quibbling over besides it seems to be that you don't agree to the way I scum-hunt?

Also out of your two nulls Sang/Daddy, who would you see yourself being more willing to vote? Why?

Is "very bad light" a replacement adjective for "scummy." Because if it is, I'd prefer you pointing out what is scummy about them rather than using a vague catch-word that you can reference later on in order to get me lynched. Because I literally haven't had a conversation where you tried to seriously tackle anything I've posted except when we had the initial JTB conversation. My vote is on someone I have as null so of course it is going to be ugly. I'm not going to pretend that RR is my #1 ultimate scum pick after 101 questions, because he is not. He seems to not have the time|effort to play well this game and it is hard to discern his alignment from this type of play, therefore he is getting lynched. Even though I have a feeling that RR could flip town, I would prefer him to be mislynched as early as possible so that scum can't use him as a scapegoat later on.

Not necessarily, when I say "in a very bad light." it means that I am liking your posts less and less which does indicate that I am liking you less as town and can see you more as a scum-pick. I don't like the Magenta line because that is extremely over-defensive to what I just said, "i'm not liking you that much" and you go with "you are going to be using this to get my lynch." which is just paranoia.

I also am not focusing on you atm, I want RR. You are lesser scum-read but I'm just making it known that I don't like you atm. Ugh, your reasoning for RR is such a cop-out/bad answer. You even imply that he is a ML waiting to happen and that scum are using him as a scape-goat. That means you believe he is town, so let me ask this: Why in god's name are you voting a town-read? That's insanely anti-town in your eyes.

Just thought i'd add this J, but i approve of the klavier .gifs

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Vote: Seikend

quite the shocking turn of events here, isn't it?

i'm starting to think things different wrt to seikend's latest post, and i might need to look at Hilt also his abrasive "no don't care just die" attitude is bothering.

But yes, a different turn of events considering the time we have and I want to see you elaborate more on this newfounded Seik/Hilt dislike when you said they were pretty soundly town not too far back.

Do the math, you zetta sons of digits. Do I need to write out all the formulas too?

Yes?

You're outta your vector, radian! Do you think I'm unable to show my work? Just ask for the steps! Point out the exact formula and I'll show you how we reached the conclusion.

I have?

 

[#HBC | J]

W.r.t. 546,

Did I really just read an entire case on Seik that just has quotes of his with + signs and an apparant end product of him ='ing scum with literally no explanation as to how those posts are scummy?

Now onto Sang's request of explaning where I am seeing RRtown-SangScum.

 

[#HBC | J]

By get to it, I mean get to it tomorrow/some other time. Haha.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

You got my hopes up just to crush them down. Haha. But I got ya. You're not the only one I'm waiting on.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Everyone: Can you please comment on what you think of Acro's reasoning to vote RR? Do you agree with my 553?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@RR

What is blending?

Matching towns popular reads and opinions to look like town.

Which of my reads conform with others? Is this scummy if I initially had the read and people agreed with me? Why?

It is if you barely touch on them and jump on to others reasoning when they make it.

Which of my actions do you not understand? You haven't asked me anything before regarding my actions.

Where is your reasoning for your actions and votes, the post with a vote on me had nothing to do with me...at all. Your saying it should have been obvious why? That looks like blending to me.

If you were town you'd question me to try and understand my reasoning and go from there. All you're doing is sitting back and saying I'm scum.

Funny, this what you have done.

Ok explain your past votes.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Tell me why I shouldn't be. That's a good place to start.

Your not bothered by his limited explanations on votes?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What's your read on me currently?
Does every active player look town to you?

Answer these and any questions I asked you before, thanks.

Scum.
No.

Done.