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I have successfully taught Twitch the usefulness of upsmash.
I tech chase upsmash'd on a platform to Uair kill(on Fox). That is another thing you can use upsmash for Falco boards.
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Lmfaooooooo ****ing Kumar.Oh, i figured you would be since you were up smashing all night lololool
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13103033&postcount=116link me to that post please :3
Oh gosh, name change... welcome to the light side sirLmfaooooooo ****ing Kumar.
Hmmm yeah it would play on visual cues like seeing Fox's back(at times meaning he is scared and running to them) and also could cause others to want to take the stage. I know that if you WD back you can even SH with extra backward momentum right away so you could get in on things like Puff or Peach that go about it slower or like to get off the ground to take space/control it too(thinking with Bair for the moment).I love large Peepee posts, so interesting to read!
EDIT: Sharing my thoughts on this, but bare in mind, I'm a Fox main, so this is all from a fox perspective.
Something I like to do is feigning retreats. One of the best way to do this for me to jump away from my opponent, maybe double jump, but make sure I'm out of their range (my back is towards them) so they're fairly confident that I'm retreating and can't hit them, so might try to chase me. Instead of actually retreating after I land, I decide to waveland towards them and U-tilt. A lot of times they don't see this coming and it's pretty safe if they do shield this. I also do this with dashdances for examples, or just running away, wavedashing back and attacking again. I think feigning retreats don't get used enough, ESPECIALLY at mid level play, I hardly see it.
Giving your opponent space to breathe by making them think you are afraid often gives them a false sense of security. Immedeatly turning back into offensive is a sudden switch. Especially with a fast character as Fox, this has a lot of potential.
Peach requires a fair amount of tech skill! Anyone who's seen Armada's silly Nairs can attest to that lol. It's good you play a spacie though, as learning someone with a tech ceiling far above the character you play can make your main's tech skill that much easier.Another great post, Peepee. Gives me a lot to think about.
I'll share thoughts as well, but this is from a Peach point of view. First, on traits/mechanics that have transferred to my main from my Fox secondary, I can't say that I've noticed specifics, but I've realized the need for quick, fast tech skill with Peach (lol), and she's gotten faster and more precise, I feel. I've noticed that sometimes I'll dash dance with Peach after knocking someone on the ground, to apply some sort of pressure, I guess, as well as be able to react to more of their options. My Fox also dashes forward/wave dashes back a lot, which is something I think trickled down from my Peach.
I was in an argument the other day about how you can't compare characters with good staple approaches (Fox, Falco) to characters with less approaches (Peach, Jigglypuff). The idea that you can approach with anything you want, as long as you have the right reading/spacing is mind boggling, cause now I have to think of more than just dash attack, or FC fair/nair/grab. I approached with down smash a few times, and had general success, as well as FC bairs, but I disregarded those as "funny little things that I really shouldn't do."
@Fried Ice Cream: I consider myself mid level (mostly), and I certainly don't see or do feigned retreats as much as I should.
I love that even the top players can constantly find something new and exciting about this game. So glad I switched from Brawl.
I think the Brazilians or someone did it a lot so maybe there's something to it lol. It's a great combo starter for both if you get the correct read(and no CC lol).approaching with everything is hard, lol
I know it gets written off, but I still think that approaching with uair is useful in a situational kind of way. With fox or falco but in different ways.
and lol at sideB's. I always feel bad when I spike with it for the kill. That's not how I want to get stocks.
Mango does it sometimes. Not a lot, by any means, but I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that from him, haha.I think the Brazilians or someone did it a lot so maybe there's something to it lol. It's a great combo starter for both if you get the correct read(and no CC lol).
I've killed with so many side Bs now I just kind of shrug it off as silly but not worth being upset over lol.
Re: your friends. Tell them to find a way to beat it. There is always a counter-measure. If they're as competitive as you make them sound they will and it'll make everyone better for it.stuff.
Apparently, there are some who think that Peach is one of the most technical characters. Of course, things like that are opinion based, but it still makes me chuckle. Though, you're right, she does require some tech skill. FC nairs are not that easy (to learn, anyways), and neither is her wave dash.Peach requires a fair amount of tech skill! Anyone who's seen Armada's silly Nairs can attest to that lol. It's good you play a spacie though, as learning someone with a tech ceiling far above the character you play can make your main's tech skill that much easier.
And LOL the KDJ(DD'ing when they're on the ground) lives on! I suggest you don't always do that and instead find ways to manipulate their tech options, even though the DD is still a good idea a decent amount of the time. Peach is fairly slow too so that makes the DD that much less threatening. Sort of related to the Fox dash forward to WD back thing, you must make sure the habits/techniques you gain from other characters come over to your character but influence them in a way that maximizes your main's strengths rather than a straight copy of the technique(which usually doesn't work or is less effective anyway). Think about more technical ways to execute OOS options you may not have been able to before, or a techy way to wall/bait approaches with FC Nairs or something of that nature. Take every bit of knowledge you can from your secondary experience and it can really help you out a ton. =)
Always good to hear more about Peach haha, I don't hear much about the character surprisingly even though Armada has done so well with her.
Nah if it works, do it. Alllllways. =p
Also I'm only posting the intelligent stuff(or dressed up stuff) I found out lol. I've made some embarrassingly nooby discoveries in my day that I'm glad I found out I didn't know on my own haha. Nothing comes to mind atm but I definitely remembering being embarrassed about a few different ideas haha.