EXTENNNDUURRRRRR (samus gen. disc.)

[DarrellD]

you guys ever talk about anything here anymore?

 

[Geist]

noooooo
10 no's

We should talk about how cool bair is

 

[MonkUnit]

what are some good bair setups?

 

[Geist]

platform waveland off and ff bair down is my favorite
sometimes you can bair people twice
but really the reach is so wacky a lot of the times people don't expect it

 

[Corigames]

Use Nair with her legs.
That way, she has some bair legs.
Get it? A haiku.

 

[McNinja]

Use Nair with her legs.
That way, she has some bair legs.
Get it? A haiku.

Man, that was awesome.
I wish I could write like that.
Samus is the best.

 

[Corigames]

I'm bringing haiku back
Them other Sami don't know how to act
I think it's special what's behind your back
So turn around and I'll grapple that.

 

[McNinja]

... was that suppost to be another haiku? I feel like the syllables are off.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Yeah isn't haiku 7-5-7? I think that was 10-10-7

 

[McNinja]

Yeah isn't haiku 7-5-7? I think that was 10-10-7

I thought it was 5-7-5? And they don't usually rhyme.

 

[MonkUnit]

Haiku's are 5-7-5.

to add to the haiku discussion

Missile Cancels ****
Samus needs more extenders
Has no above approach

 

[bubbaking]

what are some good bair setups?

Dair>bair
utilt>bair
dthrow>bair, i think for floaties that DI behind you
uthrow>bair, i think for fastfallers that DI behind you
uair>bair possibly?

Haiku's are 5-7-5.

to add to the haiku discussion

Missile Cancels ****
Samus needs more extenders
Has no above approach

No above approach? :-O Her uair is great and her utilt is solid.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

He means coming from above, going down

 

[Geist]

sliding, made of ice
oh god so much shield pressure
furious spinning

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

here's some made by rat a couple years ago

Ice Beam:

High above there's loot
old foes bcome frozen friends
platforms to ascend


Charge shot:

The longer it takes
The more rewarding the prize
Sweep to Charge shot. Graped.

 

[bubbaking]

Graped? (O_o)

 

[Violence]

geist, y u no come to smashfests

 

[Corigames]

Samus, like rain, falls
Gently coasting toward doom
Marth's sword umbrella

 

[Violence]

Oh is it haiku time?

I am improving
my tech skill, spacing, and reads
Darrell four stocks me.

 

[Geist]

geist, y u no come to smashfests

If I listed the amount of work I have right now you probably wouldn't even believe me.

:/

 

[MonkUnit]

Violence, that second line has 8 syllables!

 

[Violence]

That's crazy talk.

 

[-Philip Coast Philip-]

Graped? (O_o)

actually i changed it to make it more fruit-friendly.

 

[bubbaking]

Samus, like rain, falls
Gently coasting toward doom
Marth's sword umbrella

That's sad... (

 

[Corigames]

Returning from far
Bouncing on her bombs back home
Shiek needle snipes, dead.

 

[bubbaking]

:'(((((((((((((((

 

[McNinja]

Returning from far
Bouncing on her bombs back home
Shiek needle snipes, dead.

....Needles suck.

 

[Corigames]

Getting kneed a lot
DI high to dodge the next
I get falcon punched

 

[bubbaking]

:-| That haiku is unrealistic... -_-

Alright, here's one:

Stop it now, people!
You're making Samus look bad!
She's great, she's the best!!!

 

[MonkUnit]

So what do you guys do outside of smash and these Samus haikus?

 

[Adict]

theres a world outside of smash and Samus haikus?

I work in a casino, am engaged to an amazing woman, and am a musician on the side. fun fun

 

[Violence]

So the other night, Noobking wanted to do double Samus. It's apparently his usual thing whenever he blazes at a smashfest.

He instantly picks blue team, which kinda tilts me because I'm way too used to playing green Samus, but he picks blue to be Andy(ThePrime). He gets the Andy tag to match.

Getting an idea, I decide to put myself in as Duck. Within the 30 seconds before the match, I restricted my play to the following flowchart:


Neutral state-Defensive: The Midwest Samus walk(walk walk walk wd back, repeat). Watch for approaches, mentally prepare to cc dsmash, or to standing utilt to punish approaches.

Neutral state-Aggressive: Wavedash variable distances, forward and backward, look for opportunities to double perfect wd into ftilt.

Approach: Double perfect wd into ftilt. Buffer cc during tilt animation.

Close Quarters: Keep at a distance with tilts, look for opportunities to wdback utilt, utilt in place, and buffer cc whenever possible.

Get hit: cc dsmash.

Edgeguard: utilt, bomb to utilt, sometimes walk off nair, punish on stage recovery with dsmash.

Recovery: Go for ledge every time. If too high, empty bombs are ok. If people come out to hit you, look to screw up their timing with a fastfall nair, otherwise, generally try to stay away, grab ledge. From ledge, look to ledge recover with ledgehop fair lc dsmash, or ledgehop fair lc up b if they shield. If it looks like they're baiting you, ledgestall a bit first.



Jeez, Duck. I stock tanked like a mother ****er and got plenty of gimps just from the buffering cc alone. I still don't agree with the overall style(though I love watching you wreck people), but I can see a lot of awesome in here.

Buffering CC is just so strong.

Concentrating 100% on spacing and keeping your cc in your pocket is pretty amazing.

That double perfect wd into ftilt gets people a lot. Shoutouts to IC's. It's something I can't hit consistently enough, so I'm going to work on that. It seems like an excellent option.

 

[Geist]

So what do you guys do outside of smash and these Samus haikus?

I'm a part-time freelance concept artist and I'm in school for 3d character modeling for animated films (and maybe video games too)

Buffering CC is just so strong.

I could have sworn that the true form of CCing only works when you're actually in the crouching animation, otherwise you're just DIing down. I think I saw Magus say that the actual act of crouching is what negates hitstun. So if you ftilt and buffer CC it doesn't help you if you get hit mid ftilt right? Not that that would be super common since ftilt is so fast.

iirc though
:0

 

[MonkUnit]

Yeah, I think it would be doing ASDI down -> CC if you're still holding down so you go into crouch.

 

[Violence]

Yes, it's true that you are actually buffering DI down which is also buffering cc.
However, auto DI down into cc on first possible frame into dsmash is still a lot better than throwing human reaction time into getting hit out of a tilt, trying to crouch it and dsmash.

 

[Corigames]

So what do you guys do outside of smash and these Samus haikus?

There are things outside of that?
This one works a ****ty job while trying to keep the world off her back. Just trying to get stable again.

"I could have sworn that the true form of CCing only works when you're actually in the crouching animation"
I thought this too, but Taj told me otherwise and demonstrated it in front of me. I mean, he could be wrong, but I've tested it myself and can't see the difference between being at 0% and CCing something and being at 0% and buffering CC against the same something.

 

[bubbaking]

So what do you guys do outside of smash and these Samus haikus?

Well, I'm an undergrad student studying to become a biochemical engineer. Looking for work while I'm at it.

That double perfect wd into ftilt gets people a lot. Shoutouts to IC's. It's something I can't hit consistently enough, so I'm going to work on that. It seems like an excellent option.

What's a "perfect wd"? Is it basically a maximum length WD?

"I could have sworn that the true form of CCing only works when you're actually in the crouching animation"
I thought this too, but Taj told me otherwise and demonstrated it in front of me. I mean, he could be wrong, but I've tested it myself and can't see the difference between being at 0% and CCing something and being at 0% and buffering CC against the same something.

Well, IIRC, that's actually fake crouch cancelling. Apparently, true CCing is only when you're actually crouching. If you try to CC during a move, you fake CC which essentially accomplishes the same results at low %'s. That's why, when you tested out both situations at 0%, you couldn't tell the difference. However, at higher %'s, the differences between the two types of CC's make themselves known. Generally, true CCing is more reliable and works at higher %'s. Of course, from the nature of the technique, fake CCing is more easily applied to a greater set of diverse instances.

 

[Corigames]

Thanks for the info. Also:

:-| That haiku is unrealistic... -_-

All my Haiku are based on true stories.

 

[Violence]

Yes, two perfect wd's in a row. People are usually out of range in their comfort zone, and Duck just kinda pokes them with it. Works pretty well.

Also I tried to use pivot fsmash as much as possible. It was pretty good.

 

[Pluplue]

So what do you guys do outside of smash and these Samus haikus?

STARCRAFT

Also, I have a good samus haiku.

Spacing perfectly
the marth keeps getting outplayed
nvm tippered