Etrian Nomination Mafia - Endgame: Until the Day the Adventurers Rise Again

[#HBC | Ryker]

Haha, ninja'd me on thoughts about if FE was scum.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm fairly sure Joey was with me on Z25 but moved his vote off earlier than I did. Evidently he realized sooner than I did that it wasn't happening, and the only mention of a Z25 lynch at EOD was you and Laundry telling me to move my vote because I wasn't getting one.

Could have SWORN you and Nabe spun in that direction, but it may be me misremembering and it was actually Soup.

 

[Kantrip]

Nabe and I spun for a soup lynch, not a Z25 one.

When I checked thread again I realized that wasn't panning out and Nabe had gone back to Fire. Pokechu voted Shish and you voted Fire. Pokechu's reasoning is meh to me, mine is at least logically consistent (that is to say I thought both wagons were L-1 based on what you and others were saying and I preferred a Shish lynch to a Fire one, with minutes to deadline).

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, I said they were both L-1 to see who would jump.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

the post you quoted here. #204. That's what I was waiting on. Shish and Kantrip. Kantrip's responses actually didn't disappoint and Shish/Chu is worth pressuring but I'm more interested in Fire, Soup, and Z right now. Z and Soup more-so for the interactions other people have with him, and Fire because I legit haven't seen a single post that makes me think he's town.

that said

Vote: Fire Emblemier. I feel this more than Shish. A lot of his play feels more like shadow play.

If you all want to don't want to deal with a replacement and genuinely think I should be lynched, go for it. I'll fight tooth and nail since I know I'm town (going to be walking outside though to get fresh air). For the record, still, I am replacing out - It has nothing to do with all of ya'll. Ya'll are wonderful people.

(I'm actually really sad over this since I wanted to play more with Laundry, Ryker, Z25, and Chu, but here I am )

20 minutes left in the day phase and we get a vote shift from Thirdkoopa. You wanna give your thoughts on it first, or me?

 

[Kantrip]

Gotcha. As it turns out, the combination of Pokechu's and my votes were the tipping point that caused a Shish lynch over a Fire one.

 

[Kantrip]

Is that actually a shift from Third? I recall him calling Fire scum for shadow-play and not feeling the Shish lynch.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Oh holy **** it's 4:42.

Are we really defaulting to Fire? I hate it and yet I'm fine with it simultaneously.

Hahaha. I normally tend to default to parking your vote in one place as scummier than not and Alex definitely does so during this EoD, but I can definitely just hear him saying this.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Is that actually a shift from Third? I recall him calling Fire scum for shadow-play and not feeling the Shish lynch.

Not to my knowledge, but it is a critical shift at an important juncture and I would like to analyze it. I, at least, inferred something from it.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Howdy. Wanna lynch something cool?

(Should've played the Aladdin card)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Reading the thread. Going to keep my vote where it is as I'm behind

This one as well is an interesting post to talk about with 23 minutes left in the game.

 

[Kantrip]

I think this whole discussion is only really relevant if Fire is scum. Otherwise, there really wasn't anyone else being floated as a viable lynch alternative (I was blocked on Z25, attempts at swinging soup failed). If Fire and Shish were both town I don't know if we'll get anything valuable out of people switching between them.

If Fire is scum, and knowing I'm not, I'd say Pokechu's vote would look like an obvious point of interest, but coupling that with the fact that Pokechu and I were both nominated toDay, I'm starting to feel like either Fire is likely town, or his scummates were inactive/already on the opposition wagon.

 

[Kantrip]

Not to my knowledge, but it is a critical shift at an important juncture and I would like to analyze it. I, at least, inferred something from it.

I do see it as a key moment that starts the momentum towards Fire. You and Nabe follow suit and Laundry comments on it, so I'd give some credit to Third for the Fire momentum we saw.

I like him for it, personally. Especially knowing he committed to Fire with reasoning he found him scummy as opposed to the easy option that many took.

 

[Kantrip]

Be honest with me. Who else other than Fire and Shish did you see as viable lynches? Which of those were you willing to add your vote to?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

vote shish

Four.
Minutes.
Left.

 

[Kantrip]

Mine was at like 1 minute left lmao.

Is there a world in your mind where Pokechu and I are both scum saving our mate in this situation and then nominating both of us the next Day?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I do see it as a key moment that starts the momentum towards Fire. You and Nabe follow suit and Laundry comments on it, so I'd give some credit to Third for the Fire momentum we saw.

I like him for it, personally. Especially knowing he committed to Fire with reasoning he found him scummy as opposed to the easy option that many took.

I got the same thing from it. The post definitely reads as points in TK's favor. The biggest takeaway is that if Fire is scum, there's no way in HELL that TK votes him as scum. So if Disfunk or Fire flip scum, I'll take the other as a ****ing clear unless they **** up massively.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Mine was at like 1 minute left lmao.

Is there a world in your mind where Pokechu and I are both scum saving our mate in this situation and then nominating both of us the next Day?

Yes, but you were here the entire time.

Not a ****ing chance, lmao. I said you could have enough balls to take a shot at the champ. I didn't say you had the stones to cosign one of your own to death at the first opportunity. I'd probably not reconsider the other til LyLo if one of you flips scum.

 

[Kantrip]

My vote was on Shish before my switch to soup and I did mention that I would go back to him if the soup vote didn't pan out. It is possible Pokechu banked on this to try to save Fire last minute and lynch Shish, but doing that and then nominating himself the next Day just doesn't feel too likely to me. I lean more towards Pokechu being town (Fire's alignment notwithstanding) and doing the same thing he did when he made the clutch Seph hammer in PYP.

 

[Kantrip]

When did Laundry switch to Shish? Was he on before the point where he complained about people defaulting to Fire?

Call me crazy but I'd rather lynch between Ryker and Laundry than fight to the death with Pokechu.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Be honest with me. Who else other than Fire and Shish did you see as viable lynches? Which of those were you willing to add your vote to?

I didn't actually see Fire as a viable lynch until the very end. I didn't see a viable lynch other than Shish at all. Laundry and Joey made it apparent they weren't moving. You were gonna side Shish over Fire, iirc. Hell, even I was going to side Shish over Fire. I changed my mind near the end when I saw Fire's inactivity johns and yet preservation vote. TK picked up a vote on Fire. At four minutes left Poke showed up. I made the executive decision that I was okay seeing a Fire flip if we suddenly got enough action to make it happen. It was the counterculture wagon so it was more likely to be the one scum didn't want going through and if I got someone to flip last second that would be hella enlightening.

So I guess, even at the end, I only though Shish was going to get lynched, but I was certainly open to the chance that Fire could happen some percentage of the time.

 

[Kantrip]

When you said you were open to doing something crazy, was there anyone in particular you were thinking of lynching? What did you think of the soup push at the time? What do you think of soup now?

The lynch choices just feel so restrictive in retrospect even though many were saying options were open. It seemed anything that wasn't "choose between Shish and Fire" was being disregarded.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

When did Laundry switch to Shish? Was he on before the point where he complained about people defaulting to Fire?

Call me crazy but I'd rather lynch between Ryker and Laundry than fight to the death with Pokechu.

He was on forever, iirc. I am pretty sure he was pinged just like me for Shish's stupidly overagressive poke at Poke. He posted a pretty detailed roadmap to where he was looking, and, as much as I don't like playing with meta, he's a ****ing rock. He sinks his teeth into something and just sits there while the game washes around him. If you want to find out if he's town or not, you see if it gets in the way of him getting his reads on everything else across.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

When you said you were open to doing something crazy, was there anyone in particular you were thinking of lynching? What did you think of the soup push at the time? What do you think of soup now?

The lynch choices just feel so restrictive in retrospect even though many were saying options were open. It seemed anything that wasn't "choose between Shish and Fire" was being disregarded.

I would've been on the Soup push if it had happened about 5 minutes earlier and I had seen it as soon as it came up.

Ok, so I was looking at a Shish lynch. I figured we'd get a Shish lynch. However, I was totally willing to let something else happen if it looked like it was more interesting. Soup, in particular, I don't think I've had sat on at the end of the day. A snapwagon in generak though, I may have just sat through it. I think getting outside of their comfort zone and shooting on one of the other myriad crapshoots had a better chance of yielding scum than the one that scum had the entire day to shape the narrative for.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I still find it really off that Poke calls Shish a "scummy chummy" then when I ask why says that he needs to be removed regardless of alignment. That **** is whack.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

After Shish I declare war on Z

Still waiting to see where this one pans out.

 

[Kantrip]

Well after this exercise my opinion is much the same.

Still no idea what Fire is. If he's scum I think his mates likely were on Shish and I'm looking at Pokechu in particular for his late entrance.
If he's town I think scum was trying to keep the lynch between him and Shish and I'm looking at one of Ryker and Laundry.

Independent of Fire's alignment I think soup is scummy and regardless of what happens toDay I think he should be pressured toMorrow.

As for toDay, I don't see any problem with lynching Pokechu and think he's the safe play if we're worried about a mislynch hurting active townies. Additionally, on the slight chance he's actually mafia we can take another hard look at Fire.

However, I think Ryker/Laundry is way more likely to yield scum IF there is scum in the pool.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dislike Ryker more on a townflip. Strongmanning Z25 but saying anything else is on the table and then letting other people commit to hard stances while avoiding any himself. I understand why he'd do this as town and I know ryker values his ability to get reads over others ability to read him, but that doesnt mean he gets a pass on this.

Aww, thanks buddy. I love you too.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah and Fire Emblemier - Are you still replacing out? Part of the reason I was comfortable lynching Shish over you is because I figured both you and Third would be easier to read when your replacements started posting.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I find that funny since Shish was playing (poorly) just didn't have enough time to get in the game.

Anyway, that's an entire page of Kantrip/Ryker, so hope people enjoy that.

Still definitely waiting on Poke to talk about Z25 and why he's declaring war.

I wish I could vote outside this pool today. I ****ing hate being constrained.

 

[Kantrip]

Dislike Poke's sudden reappearance.

Need to reread Kantrip's End of Day (EoD).

Fire Emblemier suddenly developed a will to live.

Joey made hard lines on who he was willing to lynch to look back on with flips.

Last question.

These seem to be the main talking points you expected to get info on from your EOD re-read. Do you have an updated stance on all of these?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

#HBC | Laundry On the subject of Kantrip:

His beginning is meh. I don't generally like the whole, sit on my RVS vote and his case was a ****ing disaster. However, he had a very tangible case that people could stand on. I didn't like him for reasons, flimsy though they were, which makes it a lot easier to get people to talk about. Joey I couldn't get anyone speaking about and I wanted to get something out of the thread. At the end of the day, Kantrip had done more to dislike than a slot like Shishoe, Fire, or TK, but I would lynch any of them first because they hadn't done enough to do more than Kantrip. Especially Shishoe who's only contribution that stands out is the ****ing aggressive push toward Pokechu at the beginning of the game.

After today, I'm beginning to suspect that Kantrip is the bait I'm supposed to take. I didn't like him in thread yesterday, so I'm supposed to do the Ryker thing and try and shove a lynch down his throat. I actually quite liked the back and forth I had with him. On most things, he agreed with me and when poked first, he comes to the same conclusions. He was actively poking on his own when he had something and not just waiting and responding to me. It's a good look. I could be wrong, I could be getting pocketed, but I think he's ok. At the moment I'd take Pokechu, but I'm pretty sure scum doesn't put a mafiat in this group. They put two lynchable townies and you in here with me. I'm supposed to lynch Kantrip, Poke is an acceptable death and maybe I go wild and lynch you. If I'm wrong about someone, it's probably you, but I'm not banging on that door today, methinks.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Last question.

These seem to be the main talking points you expected to get info on from your EOD re-read. Do you have an updated stance on all of these?

Sure.

I still dislike Poke's sudden reappearance. The best defense I have for him is that I don't think he gets put up as a mafiat in this group, but that doesn't really do much to change what I'm gonna do about it. I still need to talk to HIM today to really sort that slot out.

Emblemier, ehhhhhhhhhhhh. Switches to Shish to save his own skin. Makes AtE about replacing out. The worst thing that comes out of it isn't actually that he develops a will to live, but rather that he was completely willing to be utterly irrelevant and coast his slot to Day 2 rather than weighing in on which of the lurkers (TK or Shish) we should be ending. I think most townies vote in a lurker vs lurker scenario and most scum just want to slip by without committing. However, that's VERY TENUOUS. I'm waiting to see what goes on today.

As for you, read is above.

Joey I thought I had something with his Z25 stance, but the wagon that formed late was for Soup, not Z25. I didn't really gain much there. If Fire or TK flips scum, he looks somewhat worse. I need to go back to this slot apparently.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

BUT FOR NOW!

It's 6AM. We out.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Haha. I only have a little under a third of the posts in this thread. Gotta step it up.

 

[Pokechu]

Four.
Minutes.
Left.

Not true !!!!! I voted him right after he voted me

 

[Pokechu]

unvote laundry

vote shish

link me to my "walls", please

I just decided to get comfy on that vote

Since he hurt my feelings

 

[Dooms]

Yeah Pokechu voted Shish waaaay back when Shish voted him for the ****posting that we had problems with. Was the first one on the wagon even.

This exchange definitely makes me feel more strongly about Kantrip. I'm straight up not willing to lynch him this phase. This means I'm voting Pokechu or Ryker by the end of this phase.

Pokechu , can you give us a full rundown on Shish from your perspective? Why did you vote them initially? It comes across as non-serious to me personally, but you parked your vote there the rest of the day and didn't give a reason until right before/after the lynch happened. Did you think they were scummy or did you just want them gone from the game?

 

[Dooms]

EBWOP: Gone from the game for being antagonistic

 

[Dooms]

Also, more of an OoC post, Ryker, myself, and Laundry have a prior commitment tomorrow. It starts 3 hours before deadline unless I can get there earlier. This probably means all 3 of us are going to miss deadline completely. Since that's nearly a 3rd of our players, if we're going to have a deadline rush like last time, may be better to have that type of rush earlier? Preferably we just need to start getting things out there and prepare for deadline today. Especially with the tied wagons = multiple lynches scenario, not having 3 of us there could cause big problems.