Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Thinking about it right now.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

That message with Badwolf being town, unclaimed btw, doesn't mean ****.

I actually disagree. I'm basing this off of the message Gova posted Day 2. The message that someone was magnetized. Even if indy Kantrip was responsible for the messages, I highly doubt that his ability was to directly feed the mod messages to post, based on the fact that it would have been unbelievably lucky of him to guess that magnetism exists in the game. Maybe he already knew about the role, but Occum's Razor makes me think that it's much more likely he simply picked a player and something about that player was revealed in thread. Yes, I'm trying to outguess the mod here, and no, I do not know the specifics of his ability, but based on the evidence I think this is a logical guess.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Besides, if Kantrip's ability was to directly feed the mod messages then what benefit would indy Kantrip have to clear someone?

So anyways, points of discussion:

Possibility of a second indy? If so then does that mean no one is cleared?

I'll like more people than just Orbo to comment on this.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Right now my brain saids Nabe but my gut saids DH.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Another point of discussion:

Kantrip was pushing DH Day 3. Desperation push, or did he know something we don't? With the idea of Kantrip roleblocking me it does make sense, so take it into consideration.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

What are you talking about? Was this post directed towards Orb's 2113? If so, what trigger, and what does it have to do with Night kills?

I'm of the opinion that Gheb is still a part of the mafia, and that one of the circumstances around their kidnapping is that we needed to kill a certain person to bring them back. It's like a regular kidnapping but altered a bit.

Trigger being the kill, after effect being them coming back.

I remember Nabe saying he had magnetized DH. I suppose I can find it.

Only in the fact that he's sliding by and I'm rethinking a lot of things due to the NK situation. The only people I solidly have as town are You and RR, with AM up there but sliding down after disappearing yesterday.
I thought it was more like taking the person out of play for the night as opposed to straight protecting. makes his role a lot more similar to yours and I think in that case it is redundant.

Not by choice. I've had a hell of a month. Emphasis on Hell.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

2150 has your finished thought btw Swords.

I know, when I read it I was just like "Ehhh, I'll think about this when we're considering all possiblities."

 

[Orboknown]

I'm of the opinion that Gheb is still a part of the mafia, and that one of the circumstances around their kidnapping is that we needed to kill a certain person to bring them back. It's like a regular kidnapping but altered a bit.

Trigger being the kill, after effect being them coming back.



Not by choice. I've had a hell of a month. Emphasis on Hell.

So you think that they got abducted, and then is mafia so we have..another Indy?
idk what that second part is responding too.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So you think that they got abducted, and then is mafia so we have..another Indy?
idk what that second part is responding too.

He was responding to your accusation that he was "sliding by." He's saying that his inactivity isn't his fault due to current events IRL that have been rough for hi.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

*have been rough for him.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

So you think that they got abducted, and then is mafia so we have..another Indy?
idk what that second part is responding too.

Not necessarily. It could be a lasting effect.

He was responding to your accusation that he was "sliding by." He's saying that his inactivity isn't his fault due to current events IRL that have been rough for hi.

Pretty much this. I don't want to get into the nitty gritty details tho.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

AM needs to post something.

I'm conflicted between DH and Nabe.

Badwolf is on my watch list after those two, if Nabe were to flip town I would look at Swords/DH.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Because you targeted a player who was semi clear in two different ways.

no uh

One because it was announced in thread by the mod that BW was town

you cannot seriously think

and another was that BW targeted AM with a protect Night 1

if you want to see it that way, but wait

and at this point we know that BW and AM can't be of the same scum alignment.

uh this is coming out of left field but

Furthermore, we had a plan going into the Night.

uh no but wait

Sure, we didn't really solidify it, but it was generally agreed upon that you were going to magnetize DH or maybe Orbo.

but those choices are both dumb

I can see why you might not have liked the way BW was vague about how he revealed information

yes

and how he kept getting his facts messed up

yes

but does that really justify going against the plan + magnetizing someone who has already been cleared in two different ways?

yes because those aren't actual things I did and oh, you're done.

Listen.


The BW "clear" is not one, because no town PR claimed to have done it. Eyes on Kantrip for this (or Gheb if he's mafia, but that would imply Ghebtown). It's flatly null w.r.t. Badwolf.

The BW protect does not necessarily have to be as claimed. For one, if Potassium was a killing role as claimed (very likely, because that's a strange lie for him to make otherwise, and because of the awkward way he was driven to the claim by AM) then mafia could quite reasonably have a doctor. From there, it's a small jump to BW being mafia by merit of his inconsistencies, and his confusion on how his ability works, which he's pinned partially on the mod a couple times.

There were a couple plans offered for night actions, none of them seemingly more popular, and (more importantly) none of them took advantage of my ability. The only options that clear/condemn someone with my ability are the ones who come with feedback -- which narrows options to either Orbo targeting a targeting role, or any player targeting AM. BW was likely to target AM, and those are two players I wanted to know more about, while Orbo as I've discussed is not for having made logical targets from a town paradigm. And by now we can see that my ability is not preventing any night kill, meaning clear/condemn is the only relevant function. Given that my head's been on the block since I replaced in, making useless actions for the sake of other players knowing where I am is (surprise) useless. I chose BW.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

EBWOP: that would imply BWtown* in the obvious place

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I actually disagree. I'm basing this off of the message Gova posted Day 2. The message that someone was magnetized. Even if indy Kantrip was responsible for the messages, I highly doubt that his ability was to directly feed the mod messages to post, based on the fact that it would have been unbelievably lucky of him to guess that magnetism exists in the game. Maybe he already knew about the role, but Occum's Razor makes me think that it's much more likely he simply picked a player and something about that player was revealed in thread. Yes, I'm trying to outguess the mod here, and no, I do not know the specifics of his ability, but based on the evidence I think this is a logical guess.

No one has claimed it, so I am not taking it as fact.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I quite frankly think this whole mentality of "a town PR didn't claim the clear so we can't take it as a clear" is paranoid. The logic of my 2162 is sound and to ignore said logic is to be a stick in the mud refusing new information just because it's not 100% reliable. At this point there are so many factors that are unknown, so I don't think it's just a bad idea to ignore things that kinda give us a clue about stuff.

I'll give Nabe that BW's claims have been inconsistent which I guess could be explained by him actually being mafia. I won't give him the fact that BW's Night action could have been scummy, because he freaking targetted AM with a protect. If he was mafia then why on Earth would he do that?

And yes Nabe, it's almost certainly impossible at this point that BW and AM could be scum on the same team. The only way that's possible is if one is mafia and the other is a traitor. I sincerely doubt this though, and any other possibility is so out there that it's not even worth considering.

But whatever. AM will hopefully get in here soon, and he wil clear up this mess.

@MOD: Can you prod AM again? Perhaps even contact PP or WL's account directly?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I actually disagree. I'm basing this off of the message Gova posted Day 2. The message that someone was magnetized. Even if indy Kantrip was responsible for the messages, I highly doubt that his ability was to directly feed the mod messages to post, based on the fact that it would have been unbelievably lucky of him to guess that magnetism exists in the game. Maybe he already knew about the role, but Occum's Razor makes me think that it's much more likely he simply picked a player and something about that player was revealed in thread. Yes, I'm trying to outguess the mod here, and no, I do not know the specifics of his ability, but based on the evidence I think this is a logical guess.

But how would he be able to control what gets revealed? I think it's far more likley that we're dealing with something that can make a night action public.

Also hi guys, sorry for the inactivity

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Vote: Gheb

sup

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: Trying something. Curious to see what happens if we throw a vote here. I doubt anything'll happen but Gova keeps them on the alive list for some reason.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Alright, reading up now.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

DH was v/la?

Welp.

Nabe isn't really coming off as hardcore scum here, I think he is giving me more town from what he said to kantrip and what he is saying today.

DH doesn't fit well, if I think he didn't try to bus. If I think he did, then we got a different situation here where he could fit.

Nabe could fit, sort of.

I'm tempted with this not obvious scum here we might have a traitor running around, which would make me rethink from the bottom up how people interacted.

The traitor, I think, is the most likely scenario, in the event that we still have mafia running around. There's probably not another indy at this point, so I think that's what we're looking for. As for who, let me finish catching up on what has been said. I'll probably have to reread D1 and D2, but I really don't want to.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

you think 2v1v1v9 makes more sense then 3v1v9? Do you think frozen would have put in more effort if he was the last knowing mafiat like he did in earthbound?

What was the situation in Earthbound?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

k. Am should get in here.

Sup. We received Rock and Lightning last night.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Smart play by EE.

It actually kind of makes sense. I mean, it would explain a lot. It could explain what happened to Gheb and Foxy if they were jan'd. It would also explain what happened Night 3 and 4. Especially if the final mafia was likely to be tracked, then they would have feeled pressured the last two Nights to not kill.

Still doubt it though, solely on principle that mafia would have to survive a looooong time to win with that strategy. Plus an indie died Night 3. Why would they try to get us to indie hunt AGAIN after that? Really, if mafia is no killing it can basically only be because they feel pressured by the investigate.

It could be a traitor who doesn't have a kill still. Definitely mulling over this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I targeted Badwolf.

Why ?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

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I'll let this be and it takes a lot of my concern about AM stemming from yesterdays power situation away. Still want them to get back in here and speak up.

Hi, we're here now, but it was pretty obvious he's pretty stupid about using his power, given his constant confusion based on wording. It's pretty obvious he did use it on us, and I think he's the one player that can be honest when he says, "I didn't understand." He has said in the past that he was confused and despite his constant misunderstanding of it, we still keep getting it. I don't think he was lying but I can't say for certain though, as my experience with him is little and my other head can't see past his constant blunders.

I'm still concerned why Nabe targeted him in the first place. I don't think much of BadWolf at the moment.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I saw Nabe used magnetism.

Wait you saw him use it or did you just see he reported? Did you track instead of report, and if so, why?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Doesn't BW's ability "turn a player off" and prevent any and all actions from getting to them? Why is targeting AM with this an extremely townie move somehow usable as justification for an unshakable town read? Why did AM get the Badwolf ability that one Night when BW said he didn't target AM? How have abilities been getting through this toggle, or something, in order to trigger AM's sponge ability?

He clarified earlier that it just stops NKs. It took a couple of edits to get there.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

EBWOP: I'm also gonna say we got it every single night sans N2.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I haven't read those Days. I don't know the state of any of the voting then. I don't like AM because of people sheeping them for nothing, treating them like cleared town for nothing, and probably (as I keep saying) because I can't ever read Laundry as town, i.e it's as untrustworthy as my other reads. This is why I've been asking people to take charge of the game and do something productive instead of blindly lynching down a list -- scum is just as likely to be within the "trustworthy" players if not moreso. The players right now with the strangest actions and reactions are Swords and BW.

I'm little perturbed at how quickly you keep changing scumreads/suspicions. I know it's because you are paranoid but you said that Swords wasn't likely to be scum and here you're saying he's got the strangest actions and reactions. What gives?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Man AM needs to get in here and give us his result.

my bad **** happens

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

That message with Badwolf being town, unclaimed btw, doesn't mean ****.

Well said. We don't the source of it, as it could be in the neighborhood or from Kantrip. That makes it dangerous to trust, even if we still must factor it in.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I actually disagree. I'm basing this off of the message Gova posted Day 2. The message that someone was magnetized. Even if indy Kantrip was responsible for the messages, I highly doubt that his ability was to directly feed the mod messages to post, based on the fact that it would have been unbelievably lucky of him to guess that magnetism exists in the game. Maybe he already knew about the role, but Occum's Razor makes me think that it's much more likely he simply picked a player and something about that player was revealed in thread. Yes, I'm trying to outguess the mod here, and no, I do not know the specifics of his ability, but based on the evidence I think this is a logical guess.

Look at FFT mafia at Raz's role really fast. I think it was Gafgarion but I'm not sure. You don't have to read the thread, just go look at that role.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Possibility of a second indy? If so then does that mean no one is cleared?

I'll like more people than just Orbo to comment on this.

Doubt it at this point.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Another point of discussion:

Kantrip was pushing DH Day 3. Desperation push, or did he know something we don't? With the idea of Kantrip roleblocking me it does make sense, so take it into consideration.

Explain what you mean here. What are you trying to get at with this?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

AM needs to post something.

I'm conflicted between DH and Nabe.

Badwolf is on my watch list after those two, if Nabe were to flip town I would look at Swords/DH.

Where is Orbo?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

I'm of the opinion that Gheb is still a part of the mafia, and that one of the circumstances around their kidnapping is that we needed to kill a certain person to bring them back. It's like a regular kidnapping but altered a bit.

Trigger being the kill, after effect being them coming back.

Where did this come from?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Who did DH target?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Wait you saw him use it or did you just see he reported? Did you track instead of report, and if so, why?

Due to the Nokills I wanted to check for liars in actions instead of seeing where they went, yeah it was a report.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

Due to the Nokills I wanted to check for liars in actions instead of seeing where they went, yeah it was a report.

So did you assume he was magnetizing? If it's a report, I don't see how it was a flavor.