Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nabe, if DH is mafia, you think he would NK all the way to lylo?

You said you messed with them both yes? That would mean to you DH or Sworddancer are mafia.

I'm not sure Sworddancer really fits into a mafia team given his D1 and D2 with FF, he has no reason to move a wagon away from his mate only to bus another.

DH is inactive and useless, but he isn't sending kills out if he is. But does it make sense he would try and NK all the way to endgame?

 

[Orboknown]

V/la tomorrow. Taking the ASVAB

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Thought just occurred to me, what if scum don't have a NK anymore? It's possible that they only have a kidnap now and the only reason no ones died is because its impossible now?

 

[Orboknown]

Unlikely. what prompts the mafia to lose their NK? The only thing I've ever seen that can do that is if the last mafiat is an immobile goon, and i've only seen that in a hypothetical setup made by tom that was never ran.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Unlikely. what prompts the mafia to lose their NK? The only thing I've ever seen that can do that is if the last mafiat is an immobile goon, and i've only seen that in a hypothetical setup made by tom that was never ran.

Why not? It's plausible and a somewhat decent explanation to what's been going on.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, if DH is mafia, you think he would NK all the way to lylo?

You said you messed with them both yes? That would mean to you DH or Sworddancer are mafia.

I'm not sure Sworddancer really fits into a mafia team given his D1 and D2 with FF, he has no reason to move a wagon away from his mate only to bus another.

DH is inactive and useless, but he isn't sending kills out if he is. But does it make sense he would try and NK all the way to endgame?

Uh???

Like I said, targeting Swords was to clear up Swords/AM, and targeting DH was because of the statement he had made the previous Day phase. There's no indication via night actions that they're the only possible mafia candidates? I'm not sure what you're saying about NKs.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Votecount plz

I'll be gone for the weekend. I'm going through some harder times in the family and I should be around them.

I should be back by Monday, but don't take it as certain.

 

[Gova]

1. Nabe (Sword, Orbo, RR)
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse (Nabe)
6. Orboknown ()
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()

Not voting: BW, AM, DH

With 7 playing, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Wednesday, July 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[Orboknown]

Why not? It's plausible and a somewhat decent explanation to what's been going on.

What makes it plausible? what triggers the loss of NK/why one shot abduct in its place? It's more like that something has been blocking the kills.

Uh???

Like I said, targeting Swords was to clear up Swords/AM, and targeting DH was because of the statement he had made the previous Day phase. There's no indication via night actions that they're the only possible mafia candidates? I'm not sure what you're saying about NKs.

Pretty sure Ryu was talking about NO-Killing

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Honestly nothing is going to happen toDay.

AM permission to end the Day?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

What makes it plausible? what triggers the loss of NK/why one shot abduct in its place? It's more like that something has been blocking the kills.

Well, N1 Swissai died right? But then D2 we got a second scum. What I'm wondering, is if there are 3 scum, 2 with NK abilities and a 3rd with kidnapping. I'm not sure WHY, but it's the only plausible reason for me right now considering that we've already lynched the indy.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh. Well, no, I don't think DH would no-kill to endgame just for the sake of it. But I'm in the same situation as the rest of town, wherein the player list looks like a shooting gallery. If circumstances were such that DH had to no-kill, e.g by merit of having claimed an ability that he needed to be seen using (by Ryu or AM) at Night, then of course he would no-kill. So if DH is mafia, that's what we're looking at moving forward.

But is he? Don't just go down the list after my lynch (which there is still 5 days for, chill the **** out Swords). If my justification for a DH lynch sounds ****ty and half-cocked, that's because it is, because I'm only making the case as an example to show that I am not de facto in situ scum. Take a fresh look at this game over Night phase, rather than throwing in the towel on what should be an easy win by lynching inactives down a line.

 

[Orboknown]

Well, N1 Swissai died right? But then D2 we got a second scum. What I'm wondering, is if there are 3 scum, 2 with NK abilities and a 3rd with kidnapping. I'm not sure WHY, but it's the only plausible reason for me right now considering that we've already lynched the indy.

It might be something along the lines of that mafiat could only kill or abduct the one night, but I don't see a reason for the mafia to not have used that early game when there were more of them to carry it out. IE one killing one abducting.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

It might be something along the lines of that mafiat could only kill or abduct the one night, but I don't see a reason for the mafia to not have used that early game when there were more of them to carry it out. IE one killing one abducting.

The latter seems OP. It makes more sense to have only one action per Night.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh. Well, no, I don't think DH would no-kill to endgame just for the sake of it. But I'm in the same situation as the rest of town, wherein the player list looks like a shooting gallery. If circumstances were such that DH had to no-kill, e.g by merit of having claimed an ability that he needed to be seen using (by Ryu or AM) at Night, then of course he would no-kill. So if DH is mafia, that's what we're looking at moving forward.

But is he? Don't just go down the list after my lynch (which there is still 5 days for, chill the **** out Swords). If my justification for a DH lynch sounds ****ty and half-cocked, that's because it is, because I'm only making the case as an example to show that I am not de facto in situ scum. Take a fresh look at this game over Night phase, rather than throwing in the towel on what should be an easy win by lynching inactives down a line.

I'm not really anxious though. It's just that nothing has happened the past 5 days so I see no reason to really drag this Day out.

This game to me doesn't really make sense tbh. I don't like the fact that town supposedly has two roleblockers (you and Orbo) and FOUR potential roles for blocking the kill (me, BW, you and Orb). I don't like how powerful AM's role is when it comes to clearing people. I makes me think that either AM is scum (doubt that) or scum are set up in such a way were they could be puesdo cleared from AM's power. That, AM's power is just a bit OP. I don't like RR's power, as it honestly seems a bit too powerful for me when compared to every other role.

Looking at actions though, you're simply the most likely to be either mafia or indie. If we lynch someone else toDay and they are not scum, we're just going to be carrying a question mark (you) into the next Day. Nothing personal, and honestly your play hasn't been scummy, but you just kinda need to die toDay.

Now Nabe, you still need to tell me what you think about AM. Also, talk to me about RR.

 

[Orboknown]

Swords do you think what bw is suggesting is plausible at all?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Who cares? There's no way to tell so that line of discussion isn't going to get us anywhere.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Dark Horse

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, that's a very Nabe-style vote.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Swords, I have nothing to say about AM, aside from that I'm skeezed by players deferring to their judgment. That effect might be mitigated by actually having read the thread -- have I missed something that inarguably clears them?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swords, I have nothing to say about AM, aside from that I'm skeezed by players deferring to their judgment. That effect might be mitigated by actually having read the thread -- have I missed something that inarguably clears them?

They spearheaded PJB and Frozenflames lynches, sort of, so unless we think they bused both their mates they aren't likely scum.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Swords, I have nothing to say about AM, aside from that I'm skeezed by players deferring to their judgment. That effect might be mitigated by actually having read the thread -- have I missed something that inarguably clears them?

Two things:

-He was a major factor on PJB's wagon. At the time town didn't really know if it wanted to lynch PJB of not. Some did, others didn't. AM came in near the end of the Day and pulled the wagon through. If he's scum, then he bussed his partner when he didn't need to.

-He saved me from a mislynch on Day 2. As scum, he had no reason to do that.

 

[Orboknown]

so I think two days of nothing necessitates either prods or a hammer.
RR why is DH scum over Nabe?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

DH is avoiding this thread like the plague, I have doubts on Nabe.

 

[Orboknown]

Explain those doubts. Also DH was v/la. Does DH has stronger connections to FF/PJb then Nabe?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

DH was v/la?

Welp.

Nabe isn't really coming off as hardcore scum here, I think he is giving me more town from what he said to kantrip and what he is saying today.

DH doesn't fit well, if I think he didn't try to bus. If I think he did, then we got a different situation here where he could fit.

Nabe could fit, sort of.

I'm tempted with this not obvious scum here we might have a traitor running around, which would make me rethink from the bottom up how people interacted.

 

[Orboknown]

DH was v/la?
Nabe isn't really coming off as hardcore scum here, I think he is giving me more town from what he said to kantrip and what he is saying today.

DH doesn't fit well, if I think he didn't try to bus. If I think he did, then we got a different situation here where he could fit.

Nabe could fit, sort of.

Why does whether or not you think dh is bussing changing the situation? Does his actions readto you like a bus?

I'm tempted with this not obvious scum here we might have a traitor running around, which would make me rethink from the bottom up how people interacted.

you think 2v1v1v9 makes more sense then 3v1v9? Do you think frozen would have put in more effort if he was the last knowing mafiat like he did in earthbound?

 

[Orboknown]

No no, Gheb don't get up! you just keep sitting there doing nothing but park your vote on me and make demands. As the early game wagon, it's my responsibility to give out super awesome reads on everyone else, while they just vote for me and do little else. Why should you be any different? Sit! Take a load off!

Does this post feel to anyone like bussing? Or is it more SVT?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

@Mod: I called vla

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hmmmmm, I agree with RR about Nabe.

Vote: DH

Only problem with this vote is that it's hard to figure why DH isn't killing/kill is failing.

Any solution to this RR?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So deadline is tomorrow. Time to play the game?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Hi guys guess who's arrived


I said a bunch of evil stuff because I like playing scum so much more than town. I think my replies might have been so evil that Gova was like, "Man this guy clearly just wants scum." and gave me town.



I find it pretty disgusting that your reasoning for not sheeping is due to self-preservation. That's really the big reason you're not willing to sheep someone?


Bleck



FF, what do you think of PJB?

How is that "Highly Generic"?

What makes you think that the answer to his question was "Automatically Displeasing"?

It's a pretty clear attempt to try and make it seem like nothing's his fault. "Since I'm town, everything that you're saying is just you misinterpreting stuff!"



If the only thing that came to PJB's mind is about self-preservation, then it shows that he's thinking with a self-preservation mentality. If he was thinking about scumhunting and the like, you really think he wouldn't have brought up anything beyond "I could get lynched because of it"?

Other than really dumb town, there's no reason to act with a self preservation mentality as town. I think that PJB has been around here long enough to not be that really dumb town.

PJB and Swiss, have you guys ever played a game together?

Sorry guys, it turns out that I bit off more than I could chew when I signed up for this game. I'm going to start reading now

First of all I would just like to say that the fact that you can't check a person's individual posts is so amazingly annoying

Upon a reread, the more and more I dislike Hando. His incredibly wishy-washy stance on PJB looks bad on reread. Trying to ask people who their third scum mates is this early game comes as loaded, and the fact that he apparently had three scum by page 5 just comes off as him being rushed.


Put to be honest, I'm going to Vote: PJB. In addition to his play being spotty, there's also the fact that just about every player has commented on him, and some players have had some interesting actions with him (Gheb, Hando). His flip gives a lot of information to work with.

Gheb, you do know how very little badfwolf gives us, right? I can't think of him posting once so far.

Except for the fact that his play has been bad and the fact that just about every player has commented on him, compared to the nothing that we get form badwolf.

How is the fact that no one commented on him not relevant?

Thanks

Holy hell badwolf has not made a post since the 17th

@mod can we get a replacement for badwolf?

I need to mull this over. Unvote for now

Sorry guys, the next time i'll be able to make a decent post is just maybe, tomorrow afternoon.

As for now, Vote: PJB

L-3. Me, You, Potassium, and AM

Every single post DH made D1.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Alright guys, sorry for not being able to do stuff (including go more in depth about my reads) over the weekend

Foxy is town because almost everything he's done here has screamed of the last couple of times I've played with Ran, where he was town. He was being mostly uncompromising wrt PJB, which reminds me of how I've seen him take a stance and just simply not let go, like what he did here with defending PJB.

I originally thought that JTB's first post was scummy because I found it suspicious that he immediately decided to vote Foxy and RR gambited, making it look like he was trying to get on a possible mislynch. After som rereading, though, it seems as though JTB had suspected foxy, so I can see him making that jump.

Gheb is town because I can see where he's coming at and his defense especially of PJB. Some of his defense points are so bizarre that I find it hard to believe he was trying to defend his partner.

And after deciding to take a better look at SD, I can see why people are thinking that he's scum. His soft-defending, flippity-floppity interactions with PJB are disgusting, his attack on gheb his half-***** (Indirect defense? really now).

However, I still don't think that Legolas mentioning Ff is enough to completely excuse him. FF has still played awfully and I'm perfectly fine with seeing him go.

Also AM, trying to get all of the inactives to comment on Swords before his lynch is just going to be a waste of time. Also, nothing I've seen of RR's play today is any different from his normal town play, IMO.

Badwolf what the hell are you doing​

Like seriously badwolf. AM is not a play today, and you're also taking a surface-level approach to this stuff. Don't do that

Vote: Sworddancer

@mod Hando made this post in the social thread:




Could we get a replacement for him?

So he doesn't miss it.

So I probably should have realized that posting something while I was in the hallways at school probably wasn't a good idea.



Nothing so far that has been revealed about SD directly refers to him being town. There's stuff that confirms his role, yes, but nothing yet that confirms his actual alignment. Combined with his damning play today and yesterday, and you've got a reason for why his claim should not give him a free pass.

Priorities, man.

Goddamnit guys this Swords wagon is falling apart just because of mod meta and apparent claims. We have one day left until deadline and at this point it's seems like it's going to be a no lynch and we'll be dealing with this exact same **** toMorrow

@mod request votecount


Horrible. His reasoning is shoddy at best and his arguments are very poorly researched(He calls FF out because he was "trying to support his PJB lynch," despite the fact that he was trying to focus on the inactives? Saying that it's scummy that he mentioned Gheb? Seriously?). I can see where the hate is coming from.

Kantrip, what do you think of JTB's FF vote

I feel ya.

First, of all Unvote, Vote: FF

Second, Gheb's bizarre defense feels a lot less genuine the second time around

Third, something about Nabe's 1361 rubs me the wrong way

Every post DH made Day 2.

None caring Sworddancer is the worst. This is sooooooo boring.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

The Good:

DH voted for both scummers.
DH uses clear, decisive wording in every single one of his posts. He never tries to play is safe.
He made reads for reasoning that was okay, I guess.
The obvious one. He hasted AM Night 1 when no scum should do that.

The Bad:

DH pushed me over FF even after AM confirmed my role.
Too many posts that are none content, or him simply answering a question asked to him. Not taking the incentive to do things himself.
Reads have been so spot on that I'm actually a little paranoid of a bus, but this is more so paranoia. What I really don't like though is that PJB didn't respond to his attacks against him.

The Ugly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFa1-kciCb4

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hmmmmm, I agree with RR about Nabe.

Vote: DH

The Ugly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFa1-kciCb4

Buddying me obvs

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

There's a good chance I'm still going to kill you toDay Nabe.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

First, apologies for the extreme inactivity. This camp made it hard to actually gothrough this thread and read it.

Second, paranoia agent is pretty good.

Third, right now I might as well explain why exactly I pushed swords even after what AM had said. At the time, I was paranoid that AM could have been pulling some sort of scum gambit to get swords off the chopping block, which I thought would then mean that the focus would be shifted off swords. This, coupled with the fact that I found several of Sword's posts to be bad, was why I kept pushing swords.

 

[Orboknown]

throw a vote down DH.
Swords- I'll switch to DH if deadline is pretty close ands it's 3v2 or 2v2 vote wise favoring DH's lynch.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh hi DH, nice to see that you keeping up with the game.

So I feel like AM getting BW's power is something that we forgot to talk about.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Whoo wait I forgot about this game.

Ummm errr. This is looking like a no lynch.

Vote Nabe

DH's play fits more with the scum team but his role usage is town.

Nabe simply by PoE.