Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | BadWolf]

@Sword is it possible for the mafia to have a one night kidnapping ability that they used oh gheb/foxy both Nights?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

@Sword is it possible for the mafia to have a one night kidnapping ability that they used oh gheb/foxy both Nights?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

What do you think of my targeting you?

Not much. Since you didn't actually target anyone you're under no pressure to commit to telling the truth. So there's no way of telling if you're being truthful or not.

I am a little weirded out though that you're having doubts about me and AM at this point given the circumstances. I guess magnetizing me while expecting me to target AM is a good way to use your role as an investigation, but why not someone like JTB where we could see if he paralyzed anyone or not?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Sword is it possible for the mafia to have a one night kidnapping ability that they used oh gheb/foxy both Nights?

I don't quite understand your question. Are you asking if it's possible that the results of scum kidnapping Foxy and Gheb happened over one Night but since they kidnapped two players they were actually committed to the action for Night 2 & 3?

If so, then the answer is possibly, but I'm doubtful. That seems too "out there" as a role restriction imo.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I don't quite understand your question. Are you asking if it's possible that the results of scum kidnapping Foxy and Gheb happened over one Night but since they kidnapped two players they were actually committed to the action for Night 2 & 3?

If so, then the answer is possibly, but I'm doubtful. That seems too "out there" as a role restriction imo.

No, that's not quite it. I was on my phone and kinda on a time restraint. I'm wondering if the scum could possibly have an ability that gives them a one Day kidnapping. So they targeted Gheb or Foxy N2, then did it again N3. It wouldn't have been a bad idea considering that most, if not all, of us were going to look at Gheb on a Kant indy flip. Right now I'm looking for either a ******** town with a weird ability, or the last scum. I'm leaning towards scum because it doesn't strike me as.... intelligent to have a kidnapping role in town.

 

[Orboknown]

The thing is, even if gheb is scum there's something out there keeping him out of play. That's unlikely to be a town ability, because if gheb=last scum then with ihm being out of play due to town we'd have won. Ergo, there's at least one scum still out there not including possible ghebscum.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I am a little weirded out though that you're having doubts about me and AM at this point given the circumstances. I guess magnetizing me while expecting me to target AM is a good way to use your role as an investigation, but why not someone like JTB where we could see if he paralyzed anyone or not?

JTB's targets aren't very scummerly choices on his part, to the point that I don't find that slot very suspicious. And unlike JTB, you and AM can't be investigated-by-lynch on a whim.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

No, that's not quite it. I was on my phone and kinda on a time restraint. I'm wondering if the scum could possibly have an ability that gives them a one Day kidnapping. So they targeted Gheb or Foxy N2, then did it again N3. It wouldn't have been a bad idea considering that most, if not all, of us were going to look at Gheb on a Kant indy flip. Right now I'm looking for either a ******** town with a weird ability, or the last scum. I'm leaning towards scum because it doesn't strike me as.... intelligent to have a kidnapping role in town.

So basically what you're asking is if scum is "rekidnapping" Gheb and Foxy every Night?

Again, possible, but this time I actually HIGHLY doubt it. Scum is doing themselves no favors in the long run but constantly committing themselves to kidnapping the same two slots over and over again. Like, the only way they can win by doing this is by getting a **** load of mislynches, and unless someone that everyone's town reading like AM is actually doing this, then I highly doubt they would get away with it. Even if somehow AM is duking us all, why not just kill? Seems like a fater path to victory imo.

@Nabe: What do you make of the current situation, and who do you think should go toDay?

JTB's targets aren't very scummerly choices on his part, to the point that I don't find that slot very suspicious. And unlike JTB, you and AM can't be investigated-by-lynch on a whim.

It's true that AM or I can't be lynched very easily at this point. It does sound nice confirming our alignments, but honestly, if we're scum what could we possibly be? If I was scum, why would I protect AM, and if AM was scum, why would he have power lynched PJB while confirming other townies?

For the record: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Janitor

 

[Orboknown]

are you referring to the last section with that Swords?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

are you referring to the last section with that Swords?

No. Earlier it was suggested that Ghab and Foxy were jan'd, and I just wanted to post what janitors usually do to see if what Gove provided us with fits the wiki's description (it doesn't).

 

[Orboknown]

Mkay. just making sure. I didn't see a reason for one abduction and no others plus a lack of NK's recently.

 

[Orboknown]

So I just asked gova and If I paralyze the mafiat carrying out the kill it results in a No Kill.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I honestly don't like Hando's slot being mafia with how they interacted with PJB and FF, but I'm kinda not seeing who else it could be at this point and no one's really breaking any ice here so . . . .

Vote: Nabe

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Question to everyone: What do you all think about the fact that the messages at the beginning of the Day stopped after Kantrip died? Do you all think that that's enough evidence to conclude that Kantrip was responsible for the messages, and if so, were they trustworthy?

 

[Orboknown]

That's actually a good point, but I think the only one that can be pinned on him might be the "badwolf=town" thing. I mean, it was announced someone was magnetized and that someone was paralyzed iirc, which can't be traced back to kantrip because he was neither of those elements.

 

[Orboknown]

Vote:Nabe

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

That's actually a good point, but I think the only one that can be pinned on him might be the "badwolf=town" thing. I mean, it was announced someone was magnetized and that someone was paralyzed iirc, which can't be traced back to kantrip because he was neither of those elements.

It was never announced that anyone was paralyzed. It's just that the people who JTB did target got PMs saying they were paralyzed.

What I'm suggesting here is that Kantrip was the one responsible for revealing certain information in public at the beginning of the Day. Rather it be a role that was used or someone's alignment. The process of what was revealed when and why I have no idea about. I'm just saying that I think, based on the fact hat nothing was revealed toDay, that Kantrip was the one responsible for it.

 

[Orboknown]

That's a fair assumption to make I suppose.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'd love for Nabe to get in here.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm town. So, yeah.

I have no course of action to recommend that doesn't really amount to a RL. We could NL? The real thing to do is to reexamine everybody, because I don't think eliminating Orbo and DH is going to magically solve the problem. And someone should go over Kantrip's game logic to see what we're actually looking at after his flip changed the variables.

For now,

Vote: DH

in lieu of myself getting lynched, because I have very little insight into this game atm.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

BW, what are you expecting to hear from me, exactly?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

BW, what are you expecting to hear from me, exactly?

Why do you think you're being lynched?

Are you scum?

What's your opinion of the messages and why they stopped?

What's your idea on why Gheb/Foxy have been gone the past two Days?

Where have the NK's gone? (Ideas)

If you can't get a DH lynch who would you go for next? Excluding the kidnapped.

That would be fine to hear.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I'm being brought up as a lynch because there are no obvious scummers, Hando is a scummy townie, and I have been inactive and generally unhelpful.

I'm town.

The messages were likely Kantrip as has been said, given that they seem to have stopped with his death. The potential link to Orbo has dried up by the same token.

The ideas that have been tossed around are good, but it really doesn't matter what happened if there's nothing to be done about it.

The last mafia is one of Foxy/Gheb (meaning second indy), or the NK has been stopped by an ability, or the NK has been passed up in favour of using an ability, or the NK was a No Kill on purpose.

Everyone else? There are no hard leads. Sword was a compelling idea, but I'm not sure the theorycrafting I did last Day holds up after a second Night phase without a kill. I don't like AM but I have a bad time trusting Laundry in 100% of his games. I don't even really want a DH lynch, but he's not posting, and between him and Orbo he's a better fit for scum. But no one is posting.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Nabe what is that you don't like about AM? Also I'm interested in what theorycrafting did you do about me yesturDay? I promise I won't be mad.

I'm being brought up as a lynch because there are no obvious scummers, . . .

Basically.

Between work school and friends I honestly don't have time to reexamine anything. Sorry guys.

 

[Gova]

Prods have been sent out.

1. Nabe (Sword, Orbo)
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse (Nabe)
6. Orboknown ()
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()

Not voting: BW, AM, DH, RR

With 7 playing, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Wednesday, July 17th at 11:59 PM CST (GMT-6).

 

[Orboknown]

not gonna get to this today.

 

[Orboknown]

or maybe I can. rereading.

 

[Orboknown]

This post. This doesn't read like a post one would make of his mate if his mate was about to be lynched. I guess as scum Gheb could have tried something really WIFOMie to defend PJB and distance themselves (by doing something scum wouldn't want to do, defending a mate, which we in turn would say "Why would scum Gheb defend PJB?"), but occum razor says no. More likely scum Gheb would have just bussed PJB, and not make some big post connecting him to his partner so.

Swords you still feel this to be the case?

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

We finally got our heads together, sorry about the disappearance.

Since we haven't talked about it yet, we received the rock and wind powers again last night. As such, we will be protecting someone.

A couple of key points:

1. Our messages have stopped. This is not that important but it means that the messages we received thus far have either been from the Neighborhood or Kantrip. I would wager Kantrip because of the information it had on Nabe's role on N1.

2. We have a missing NK. Again. However, we have about six different things that could stop it. It could be that Gheb is mafia (as Kantrip was vehement about), it could be that Sworddancer or BadWolf or even possibly Orbo blocked an NK. So if Gheb is not mafia, that means that the NK was used on either ourselves, Ruy, or was carried out by Nabe. If it was aimed at Ruy, we'll see soon enough. And between the other two options, you have one that incriminates Nabe, and one that could not possibly have been committed by Nabe. On the contrary, we have zero indicator for which is which. That leaves us lynching mostly in the dark, once more.

Now, my lead option at this point is Nabe. Should we lynch Nabe today, the game doesn't end, and Ruy survives the night phase, then we know where the kill was directed or Gheb is mafia. Even without that information being at stake, Nabe remains one of the bigger question marks. His slot with its Hando origins has not done all that much to speak of, although the end of the day yesterDay was a much better showing. His role is one of our abundance of protectives and unless I'm given a compelling case as to why we shouldn't go with Nabe toDay, then I cannot think of a reason to go elsewhere. Our options at this point are rapidly shrinking.

I will vote when it becomes apparent that there's nothing left to do in this phase. Fair?

 

[Orboknown]

How much is left to do? TBH lynching nabe then one of DH/Gheb depending on what happens over night likely ends the game.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Since we haven't talked about it yet, we received the rock and wind powers again last night. As such, we will be protecting someone.

But

I couldn't protect anyone due to not being able to toggle on last Night. I didn't say because I didn't want to have any problems with WIFOM.

?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Request prod: Dark Horse

 

[Orboknown]

Declared V/la^

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Um, yeah, I would like BW to go into detail about his power. Again.

@BW: Why weren't you able to toggle on AM? Is your power only one shot? Like, the moment you toggled off you weren't able to use it again? Also, why did you toggle off in the first place? What did Gova say to you to indicate that you couldn't toggle on?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Um, yeah, I would like BW to go into detail about his power. Again.

@BW: Why weren't you able to toggle on AM? Is your power only one shot? Like, the moment you toggled off you weren't able to use it again? Also, why did you toggle off in the first place? What did Gova say to you to indicate that you couldn't toggle on?

It has a one Day cool.

 

[Orboknown]

Yea AM needs to talk about this.

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

What do you want us to say? I can't explain why we received it, we just did.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Wait..... Wtf? I have no idea what's happened last Night.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah I'm gone on up north with rare Internet.

DH didn't send a kill out, that much we know.

Lynching him is not something I'm fond of.

Vote: Nabe

I really think Nabe is the thumb sticking out.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

(But I'm not)