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So, wait, you spend the entire game saying how sheeping is bad and that people shouldn't do it. And yet you disregard two people voting you off of seemingly nothing (
I'd be voting for him if I could. And we've had super fast wagons like this before and been right. I think it happened to Acrostic once and he sunk a scummate while doing it.
So what you're saying is that you find Kantrip's question in the first place loaded.
I think what sealed the deal for me was his vote at me above. It just doesn't fall in line with everything else he's been doing. It's opportunistic at best and just does not seem like he has any sort of good intentions about it. It's just a desperate place to throw a vote because he believes he can throw it there and get something (Gheb, for example, earlier mentioned I should be paid attention to, and BadWolf tried to remind people of it). What he was doing earlier just wasn't striking me right either. That "I am town because I am town" thing just reeked of a self-fulfilling prophecy without actually fulfilling itself, and he's spent more time talking about sheeping and less time finding a better direction. I'm still surprised he hasn't jumped at Swords for that "I'm voting you because Swiss asked you to" thing.
Give this man a cookie.
Sounds like you're twisting it to me. He could easily be talking about how it's a shame he can't buddy PJB.
I think his recent posts have been better but I still can't help but to get an uneasy feeling about this myself.
True, but it can be very natural though. When reading people, it's not really so much a matter of what people should logically do, but more so a matter of what people do do.
I remain unconvinced. You're suggesting that town PJB would have thought of other reasons against sheeping, but I think that's an unfounded assertion. It's totally possible that's just what came into PJB's mind at the time. Not answering optimally != scummy answer.
Because it's an accusation that leaves out significant factors from consideration. Kantrip's just saying "Oh look self preservation, scum!" without really considering that that just may be his thought process (WHICH IT TOTALLY COULD BE BTW). I mean there's no real way to know if PJB was acting out of self preservation or just being honest, so how could one be confident in that sort of accusation?
It's a pretty clear attempt to try and make it seem like nothing's his fault. "Since I'm town, everything that you're saying is just you misinterpreting stuff!"
If the only thing that came to PJB's mind is about self-preservation, then it shows that he's thinking with a self-preservation mentality. If he was thinking about scumhunting and the like, you really think he wouldn't have brought up anything beyond "I could get lynched because of it"?
Other than really dumb town, there's no reason to act with a self preservation mentality as town. I think that PJB has been around here long enough to not be that really dumb town.
No no, Gheb don't get up! you just keep sitting there doing nothing but park your vote on me and make demands. As the early game wagon, it's my responsibility to give out super awesome reads on everyone else, while they just vote for me and do little else. Why should you be any different? Sit! Take a load off!You haven't refuted ****. You took the only argument I've had time to make and gave an halfassed response to it. If it's really necessary to wagon you to L-2 to even give some reads then lynching you is already more than justified. But when you mention only one lousy read, backed up by one very weak quotation and act as if you refuted anything then I really think it's time for you to roll over and die. Because it's obvious that your interest is entirely spent on you surviving and not one bit on town winning.
Hurpadurp I have limited mental capacity which drives me to lynch people.
Every single sentence here just reads all kinds of wrong to me.
If this is the case then why attack Gheb in your 175? What are your feelings about Gheb right now?tbh I just took Gheb being a **** as Gheb being Gheb. Like, we're just coming off of a game where we were butting heads, and it seems to be continuing in this game. I don't think Gheb likes me, or my playstyle
I guess it does seem like he's fully aware of what my playstyle is, and he's using it as reason to call me scum. Maybe.
This post really resonates badly with me. Considering how you wanted to go to Kantrip early, I feel like you are just trying to alleviate pressure on PJB rather than pull information from his wagon. Just because wagons are 'usually' incorrect does not mean they are always incorrect, surely you know this?
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wrt Gheb. I felt like his early posts about PJB were looking moreso to discredit him and paint him as scum rather than get info out of him (example, PJB 'spreading' FUD, bashing him for having a different scumhunting style than innocent until proven guilty). Have you gained any impression of what's happening and what the players are doing yet? If you want to give people a reason to think of you as town then you should - y'know - actually playing like town.Stopping to act like this game is all about you surviving and starting to share reads would be a start. You're not doing that and that *is* a fact. I've got more later but I think you have a lot of work to do so start doing work for once instead of making this game a matter about you being ... yourself.
Yes, I do. Everything except the "FUD" part, which I admitted to be an exaggeration.
Point of this post....?
The perspective here is just...so...........********.
duh
sorryFUD is a corperate term actually, "fear uncertainty doubt", generally applied to consultants who spread that baselessly.
Wrong head for your answer, I'm sure swiss will have plenty to say when he's done being drunk all weekend. Either way, not if we bus you first bro
Stop asking loaded questions and actually put forth your own stance. If you think I'm reading PJB wrong then just tell me how and why instead of making this a silly question and answer game between you and me.
Yes, let's all cherry-pick quotes, post phoney reactions to them and most of all do not in any way elaborate on what the issue is and why there is an issue with them in the first place. That's how we win mafia these days after all.
Some people have not posted and I do not pretend to have reads on them either. A lot of people have posted though, have given clear stances [Ryu, Foxy, AM, S&C, myself] and yet PJB is only capable of offering a read on one of them? Based on one quote with reasoning that just about nobody finds convincing? That by itself is already bad enough but the fact that it took people to wagon him to L-2 and remind him explicitly that this game is not about self-preservation but finding scum shows that PJB is not willing to cooperate. I mean, he could also have pointed out his reads on all active players or make a point about inactivity. But no, he had to push the one guy who attacks him the hardest, post one lousy quote to back it up and pretends that he "refuted" the idea that he's just playing to stay alive as long as possible. The truth is that his way of sharing his "reads" only served to confirm what people have accused him of in the first place. I highly doubt that his read on AM is real in any way.
No, don't make this a personal matter now. I don't know what's happening in your brain but any butting of heads stuff from previous game is gone and forgotten. I have a couple of legitimate points against you and not only do I not feel like you've even tried to refute them seriously but I think most of them apply even more than before.tbh I just took Gheb being a **** as Gheb being Gheb. Like, we're just coming off of a game where we were butting heads, and it seems to be continuing in this game. I don't think Gheb likes me, or my playstyle
I guess it does seem like he's fully aware of what my playstyle is, and he's using it as reason to call me scum. Maybe.
How does it being Kantrip effect it ? Any opposition to the main ideal of PJB could have garnered a similar response, so where's the line ?
The same could be said of kantrip, when he is scum it becomes incredibly obvious as the day continues and as pressure is applied to him, especially from my(Rake's) pov. What results has your PJB wagon led you to, you started it and yet I have not seen you here pursuing it, which would either suggest your disinterested in his demise aand are more or less letting it go or believe his wagon will carry through to completion.
I still don't think that you've really responded to AM's point that you're calling him opportunistic when people like me and JTB were on the wagon as well btw.
Yet your vote is still on PJB.I can dig (:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX
Didn't like this post one bit. Gheb stated in his 42 that PJB is exactly the type of player to be defensive, so why is it a surprise when he does exactly as you said?
Ran does not ask questions just for the sake of asking them!Do you know what the bolded means? If you do, you wouldn't have to ask such a superfluous question. Don't ask questions just for the sake of asking them, you're not Ranmaru.
You just don't see the value of his questions, but HE sees the value in them. /throwback to my interview I guess I could just straight out say "Gheb I think you're wrong about player X for Y and Z reasons" and then wait for you to respond to that, but I think challenging you with a question achieves the same end. There's no reason to make a charade out of my methodology.
First paragraph:
Iunno, maybe because your own self stated philosophy is "innocent until proven guilty?" Maybe it's something to be considered because it could actually be a real possibilty?
And what, up to post 47, did PJB do that was "unbearably unconstructive?"
It's as if everyone copies my posting style
I'll let Xonar reply to the first part of this post.Yes, let's all cherry-pick quotes, post phoney reactions to them and most of all do not in any way elaborate on what the issue is and why there is an issue with them in the first place. That's how we win mafia these days after all.
I mean wow, just WOW. You DARE making a post like this? ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS? Post like these are just soooooooooo scummy. Like holy ****, just WOW. Really Lego, you're being DAMN scummy right now, just WOW.
Don't ask me to elaborate on what I mean. Just take my word that I am serious about Legolas' points being just WOW and like COMPLETELY wow and just plain **** and off but don't ask me to elaborate because his points are just ****ing wow.
Some people have not posted and I do not pretend to have reads on them either. A lot of people have posted though, have given clear stances [Ryu, Foxy, AM, S&C, myself] and yet PJB is only capable of offering a read on one of them? Based on one quote with reasoning that just about nobody finds convincing? That by itself is already bad enough but the fact that it took people to wagon him to L-2 and remind him explicitly that this game is not about self-preservation but finding scum shows that PJB is not willing to cooperate. I mean, he could also have pointed out his reads on all active players or make a point about inactivity. But no, he had to push the one guy who attacks him the hardest, post one lousy quote to back it up and pretends that he "refuted" the idea that he's just playing to stay alive as long as possible. The truth is that his way of sharing his "reads" only served to confirm what people have accused him of in the first place. I highly doubt that his read on AM is real in any way.
