Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I just remembered I owe Ryker a skin for GS mafia, welp.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You guys were pushing for hammer? Without a claim? That wagon is grimy. I am not caught up, so I may end up recanting all of this and saying, "Yeh, go ahead, shoot him," but that will not happen until after a claim and after I've had some input.

Who was?

Badwolf was the one with the idgaf vote.

 

[Kantrip]

If you flip town ?

Didn't know it was a question to you.

Don't be a ******, we have enough of that.

He said if he is lynched. The flipping town was a subsequent response to being lynched, not another "if". Now stop wasting your time on trivial things jesus christ.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

In response to RR's Foxy line, I'll let what happens happen. I'm pretty done with RR pulling at least one stupid claim gambit every game (this is a gimmick I used to pull back when I was bad) and I'm not putting it past him for this to be one, too.

Vote Gheb

You don't understand why I do what I do.

My gambit had purpose, do I gambit a lot? Yes, but not without a reason for it. I don't throw one out every game thinking, hey guys lets get talk going hue hue hue. I do it to see how others will act with a specific slot in mind, Foxy, and see what I can get from it.

JTB has legit john, fine whatever he's not coasting to endgame regardless. Legit or not he has and will keep winning as scum off doing nothing because DGames is terrible at dealing with inactives, also lack of vig roles given to me.

If Gheb seriously rolled Scum for the millionth time I'm gonna flip my desk. As it stands, I'm not for lynching him. Not over Swords/JTB at this juncture.

Foxy and Kantrip are as faraway from my want to lynch list right now.

I'm half and half with AM's posts, I agree with some, mostly the ones he says are legit posts. Not so much his comments on Foxy and Gheb.

 

[Kantrip]

I swear to God, I'm going to have Gheb's head on a pike.

You still want Gheb over Sword?

 

[Kantrip]

You wanna know who I think looks grimy here? I am not sure that anyone is. Ruy's play today has been absolutely disgusting. Your play has thrown up multiple red flags. BadWolf is ****ing impossible to read and I am getting closer and closer to scum over dumb every time he posts. With all that, Sworddancer still looks like a good lynch. I expected to come in and find multiple shady inactives and at least one active scum on that wagon because of the position it was in. At the moment, I think it's the right direction. Kantrip was correct on this push, but we will not be lynching him without a claim and he will not be claiming until I've heard a stance on him, in-depth and well-explained, from DH, FF, Handorin, JTB, and BadWolf. Capisce?

Your weakness right now is you are letting town stupidity blind you.

Ruy is being dumb toDay, Badwolf is being dumb toDay, Handorin I'm not sure, there's a bunch of inactives. But you can't let dumbness cloud your vision.

AM still town, this lines up perfectly with a weakness he's cited in the past of weaker players being crapshoot reads for him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Your weakness right now is you are letting town stupidity blind you.

Ruy is being dumb toDay, Badwolf is being dumb toDay, Handorin I'm not sure, there's a bunch of inactives. But you can't let dumbness cloud your vision.

AM still town, this lines up perfectly with a weakness he's cited in the past of weaker players being crapshoot reads for him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Being fair I do think half of town is a crapshoot right now.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Foxy, why are you fishing so hard?

I am fishing?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Alright guys, sorry for not being able to do stuff (including go more in depth about my reads) over the weekend

Foxy is town because almost everything he's done here has screamed of the last couple of times I've played with Ran, where he was town. He was being mostly uncompromising wrt PJB, which reminds me of how I've seen him take a stance and just simply not let go, like what he did here with defending PJB.

I originally thought that JTB's first post was scummy because I found it suspicious that he immediately decided to vote Foxy and RR gambited, making it look like he was trying to get on a possible mislynch. After som rereading, though, it seems as though JTB had suspected foxy, so I can see him making that jump.

Gheb is town because I can see where he's coming at and his defense especially of PJB. Some of his defense points are so bizarre that I find it hard to believe he was trying to defend his partner.

And after deciding to take a better look at SD, I can see why people are thinking that he's scum. His soft-defending, flippity-floppity interactions with PJB are disgusting, his attack on gheb his half-assed (Indirect defense? really now).

However, I still don't think that Legolas mentioning Ff is enough to completely excuse him. FF has still played awfully and I'm perfectly fine with seeing him go.

Also AM, trying to get all of the inactives to comment on Swords before his lynch is just going to be a waste of time. Also, nothing I've seen of RR's play today is any different from his normal town play, IMO.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

You wanna know who I think looks grimy here? I am not sure that anyone is. Ruy's play today has been absolutely disgusting. Your play has thrown up multiple red flags. BadWolf is ****ing impossible to read and I am getting closer and closer to scum over dumb every time he posts. With all that, Sworddancer still looks like a good lynch. I expected to come in and find multiple shady inactives and at least one active scum on that wagon because of the position it was in. At the moment, I think it's the right direction. Kantrip was correct on this push, but we will not be lynching him without a claim and he will not be claiming until I've heard a stance on him, in-depth and well-explained, from DH, FF, Handorin, JTB, and BadWolf. Capisce?

I don't see what you mean, as I haven't seen anything of substance from you (yet) about me. And I'm fine with waiting on input.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

FF's post was absolute trash. Why is this a problem?

I'll take it back. I'm getting ahead of myself thinking of Swords+JTB being scum so I go "weird he hasn't mentioned him". I don't deny that FF has been **** posting.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh yeah DH probes town.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Foxy, were you angling for a Sworddancer lynch at the start of this phase?

Do you mean if I would have voted Swords outright like I did? Yes, I would have. I wanted to read and make a case, but then I decided that everyone gets that he is scum. I don't feel like putting effort into something people already see.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Can you rephrase the final sentence?

I would think he would just say things "Gheb is just being gheb he's fine even though he's attacking me really hard man, he's cool" (exaggeration) to make a connection to gheb (because there was no reason to really say that, because it would undermine Swords push) and I would think that could condemn a possible Ghebtown upon a PJB scumflip. That's what it seems like to me.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Shut up, Alex.

........ Alex rubbing off on me?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Your weakness right now is you are letting town stupidity blind you.

Ruy is being dumb toDay, Badwolf is being dumb toDay, Handorin I'm not sure, there's a bunch of inactives. But you can't let dumbness cloud your vision.

AM still town, this lines up perfectly with a weakness he's cited in the past of weaker players being crapshoot reads for him.

I think his questions to Ruy are good. Ryu hasn't answered my question to him originally. That's the only thing that doesn't line up. Sure his role is bleh but still. I want to know why he chose me and what his read was at the time. (Cuz he said I got better, so he had a better read yet still chose me)

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Actually, Kantrip. Can you describe your read to me on Badwolf?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

That's all the questions relevant to me (Ran). Gang Garrison 2 time. Guys play with me ... I'm addicted. :D

 

[Aggressive Mediation]

You still want Gheb over Sword?

No, I just want his head on a pike because he looks incredibly defensive and I want him to just shut up and be town.

 

[Kantrip]

No, I just want his head on a pike because he looks incredibly defensive and I want him to just shut up and be town.

Ah, so head on pike in this case doesn't he's scum. Got it.

Actually, Kantrip. Can you describe your read to me on Badwolf?

Least fleshed out read. Hasn't done anything I can remember that puts him above deserving to be lumped in the inactive pile. At the start of the Day he started talking about how we should go for Gheb, and he had some of the reasoning right. Although I no longer hold that read, I see it so I just kind of ignored his posts and called him town. Cutting him out of the equation might be beneficial just to save headaches in the case I have to reread people, so I wouldn't be opposed to him getting vigged as AM is calling for.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I think his questions to Ruy are good. Ryu hasn't answered my question to him originally. That's the only thing that doesn't line up. Sure his role is bleh but still. I want to know why he chose me and what his read was at the time. (Cuz he said I got better, so he had a better read yet still chose me)

I didn't like your slot in a PJB scum flip.

A d no one else put emphasis to look into you so I made it happen.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

We don't have a vig or they would have shot last night.

There is no excuse to not shoot with 2-3 lurkers and some crapshoots. Even as a one shot.

 

[Kantrip]

So if someone claims vig they better have a good reason for not having shot last Night? That's what I think you said.

Good? Good.

Anything else you need to do Ruy? I implore you to get it over with

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

We don't have a vig or they would have shot last night.

There is no excuse to not shoot with 2-3 lurkers and some crapshoots. Even as a one shot.

Didn't Vandy teach you that Vig's should delay their N1 shots? Or does this not apply in your opinion?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Didn't Vandy teach you that Vig's should delay their N1 shots? Or does this not apply in your opinion?

That taught me to priories my shots better, aka instead of no lynch offing Felipe or Dabuz.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So if someone claims vig they better have a good reason for not having shot last Night? That's what I think you said.

Good? Good.

Anything else you need to do Ruy? I implore you to get it over with

I'm town leader, sheep me.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If I ever role vig again I will be shooting every night no if ands or bits Ran.

Vanz said it was a bad shot not that I should have delayed it. I'll only delay if there is a really damn good reason to, being one shot would not be the case.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

This post is soooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad. It's like he'll never ditch his name or something.

Hey producing content should be a good thing, but in your case I just want you to shut up.

You come in here riding your ****ing white horse and expect everyone to follow you? Yeah not happening in my case. The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't have any right saying what you are but you think you do. You still haven't explained anything other than "This be bad. *anger*" And I don't see a reason to keep you around. I'm also not sure why you're defending Gheb. Tell me, is his play not bad? Was he not hard-defending PJB? What makes him so better than the rest of us that you just want him to live?

Vote AM

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Badwolf what the hell are you doing​

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Like seriously badwolf. AM is not a play today, and you're also taking a surface-level approach to this stuff. Don't do that

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Like seriously badwolf. AM is not a play today, and you're also taking a surface-level approach to this stuff. Don't do that

This.

Badwolf people defending PJB doesn't make them scum, rather if they believed it or not.

While AM has scetch posts we're not lynchinh him.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm town leader, sheep me.

Ruy please stop you're just being distracting. Just let things you don't know anything about be and focus on finding the scum, k? Thanks.

 

[Kantrip]

Hey producing content should be a good thing, but in your case I just want you to shut up.

You come in here riding your ****ing white horse and expect everyone to follow you? Yeah not happening in my case. The fact of the matter is that you shouldn't have any right saying what you are but you think you do. You still haven't explained anything other than "This be bad. *anger*" And I don't see a reason to keep you around. I'm also not sure why you're defending Gheb. Tell me, is his play not bad? Was he not hard-defending PJB? What makes him so better than the rest of us that you just want him to live?

Vote AM

Oh, Badwolf.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ruy please stop you're just being distracting. Just let things you don't know anything about be and focus on finding the scum, k? Thanks.

You're letting a joke post distract you.

Naj jk, but be my bro here Kantrip. Gheb could hold scum but with what we know and have seen right now I'm not really seeing him be the one to focus on today with what we know.

Sworddancer danced around PJB far more while trying to agree with the wagon.

Now AM and DH, probs not with how they acted to PJB in thread. AM made it clear he was the play, DH made it clear he wanted no one but PJB. Neither of these are linked to him, well I have slight doubts on AM mostly due to how I know their strict policy on how they handle scummates and I would not throw them nailing their own mate for cred, but I'll cross that bridge when it's clear other players aren't likely to be linked. For now I'm not interested in AM despite their posts.

Gog I hope this doesn't turn into OS all-stars with paranoia with what they posted, no Xonar in that hydra so I don't need to worry about "Lynch Ruy cause it's Ruy" bull****.

I'm really more interested in Sworddancer + the 3 coasters, JTB, Hando, FF.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

BW town

this is based on absolutely everything

 

[Kantrip]

Dark Horse is better after that big post of his.
Badwolf pushing AM is hillarious but probably town of him. It's not like he thinks anyone is gonna follow so I don't know what he wants to accomplish, but it's kind of adorable.
I'm growing more skeptical of Hando by the Day. His stances have never been explained and they are quite unorthodox.

Has Sword claimed? He should, if not.

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

Badwolf, I saw you viewing. What do you think of DH's and RR's responses, and how do they affect your read/vote on AM?

 

[Foxy the Silver Fox]

. Although I no longer hold that read, I see it so I just kind of ignored his posts and called him town. Cutting him out of the equation might be beneficial just to save headaches in the case I have to reread people, so I wouldn't be opposed to him getting vigged as AM is calling for.

I see what you mean. I sometimes do that, but I still can't let even my town reads possibly have more room to maneuver. Meaning, it's possible my town read can be scum, so I have to make damn sure that they are consistent with my town read. Even if Badwolf is hard to read I still try to read him. I have lost games because I just assumed a person was town, yet they never worked with me, (until I was conf town that was) and they were the town reads that I LIKED and was fine with hbc'ing with them but they turn out to be the scum. I can already think of TWO I have let go due to this kinda thing. (One was kind of reading to me like an indy who rarely even bounced reads with me and did **** his own fricking way and stalled the **** out of the deadline, another was just a scumread who I just re-evaluated and left alone the whole game and didn't even re-consider)

yeah.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I know that I don't like him still, but I do also know that I'm probably not going to be able to get a waggon him easily. I just wanted to see how he'd react. Although I have to say that I'm kinda tired of him calling people terrible without ever saying why exactly.