Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

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You've got half of why Gheb is scummy. The essays of why PJB is scum early game isn't what got me, it's the switch from those to defending PJB without any realization having been reached. Gheb just arbitrarily 180'd that read when the first wagon of the Day turned out to be more serious than it first seemed. He was initially trying to distance himself from PJB by calling him scum, but didn't intend to actually lynch him. Things went sour and Gheb joined the "defend PJB" train, but there was no townie incentive for doing so at the time when he did.

This is why I want Gheb toDay.

In response to RR's Foxy line, I'll let what happens happen. I'm pretty done with RR pulling at least one stupid claim gambit every game (this is a gimmick I used to pull back when I was bad) and I'm not putting it past him for this to be one, too.

Vote Gheb

This guy gets it. If we die, you listen to this man. His play has been good enough that I almost didn't laugh when he said, "when I was bad."

 

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Dislike the majority of this post. He talks a lot about using WIFOM and the risks associated or something like that, and proceeds to base this entire post on WIFOM. Probably going to reread and see if Swords makes more sense than Gheb.

You don't need to be on him for that one because he was asked a WIFOMy question. When someone won't stop pouring wine, you can choose to swim or drown. I'm not insinuating that Foxy was intentionally derailing the conversation into WIFOM, but you cannot hate a man for explaining his actions when the conversation is brought to them.

 

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What the ****, Ruy? Why are you staying away from the conversation about Sworddancer and trying to derail it?

 

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Kantrip, tell me which scenario is more likely:

a.) I am PJB's scummate. I immediately pushed his lynch from the very beginning, provided a good 50% of the reasoning that got him lynched eventually and did not budge, even when he was put at L-1 at one point. Then, for some reason, I decided that it actually makes much more sense to deflect suspicion onto inactive players all of a sudden and started being completely upfront about not lynching PJB anymore in order to defend him in the most amateurish fashion imagineable.

b.) I am town. I immediately was rubbed the wrong way by PJB's play and decided to give the already somewhat existing wagon some teeth by providing a good 50% of the reasoning that got him lynched eventually. But the fact that almost everybody joined the wagon asap and - other than AM - nobody provided any decent reasoning rubbed me the wrong way even more. I am not a player who is very confident in his reads and is easily convinced by decent points and I have a tendency to become very mistrusting on things that everybody seems to agree on. That was enough for me to change my mind for good.

Please don't ever defend yourself.

 

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His reaction and the situation, you've avoid it entirely.

That's the smart and town thing to do. It's becoming more and more apparent you don't have any teeth behind this claim and committing to it one way or the other, it does't matter, can be spun in a bad light.

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but he's talking about the relationship between PJB and Gheb? I mean, it was weird at the beginning, because of Joker's interactions, but then it became weird because Gheb jumped off the bandwagon without as much as a reason why. I don't like the idea that he just doesn't trust anyone else's ideas and jumped off of the wagon because of that. It doesn't strike me as.... townie I guess :/. It's kinda hard to explain but I don't like that he doesn't trust anyone else and was defending Joker in the way that he did.

This post is soooooo baaaaaaaaaaaad. It's like he'll never ditch his name or something.

 

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Sorry. I've been at work a lot the past couple days. I'm on break now, so I've skimmed. I believe that report on foxy cause I still think he's scum. Ummmmm. If you want to ask me questions I might entertain to answer, feel free and ill get to it by tomorrow hopefully.

THIS POST IS SO WOOOOOOOOOOORSE .

 

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DH where you at?

Dark Horse, throw a vote down!

 

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What do you not like about it? What makes it look like a not-townie thing to do?

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs42/f/2009/131/e/0/Please_stop_that_Bull****_by_Zittertango.jpg

 

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EBWOP:

 

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[quote="frozenflame751, post: 15551239, member: 20381"

@ RR: You say you tracked someone who allegedly doesn't even have a targeting power. Given that, one of you has to be lying about what happened last night or you're putting us through an exceptionally ****ty gambit. If it's the latter please do us a favor and cut the act. There's no sense mucking up the thread with bull**** like that when we already have a great flip to work with moving forward.[/quote]

Thank you for that. What's your stance on Gheb?

 

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K, it was.

Foxy is town. Kantrip likely town.

I hate JTB and Swords more.

Elaborate more, especially on townFoxy.

 

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I guess it's the whole Trust no one thing. It's not really a good idea in a game based around support and trust in other's arguments to be the hipster of the group IMO. It doesn't really show good team building. I just view it as something to be looked at.

I think this is parroting Adumb being a mafia armchair critic from earlier this game. What the ****?

 

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I went back to check and it seems that I am indeed on something. Posts 371, 372, 387, 401, 402, 403,444, 446, 451, 619, 667 are all posts where you defend PJB, so I guess I was just getting caught up in the fact that you were attacking inactives. I'll drop this point.

Gheb I never thought you would be caught dead accusing someone of the "chainsaw defense." Go into detail as to why those posts come off as chainsaws and not me just pursuing my own reads.

"You only directly mentioned PJB when it became clear that your attacks against Kantrip and me weren't going to do anything"

There's nothing within that 30 post span (posts 150 through 180) that would indicate "my attacks" weren't going to work.

"[even though it still seems like you've kept the option open somewhat]."

Tbh I was afraid of this going into the Night. There were times yesturDay were I DID attack PJB because of something he did that I found scummy. However you guys have to understand that that was me just being open with my thought process wrt him.

If you think I was trying to keep the option, then read the end of yesturDay again. I clearly make the choice to lynch not lynch PJB, instead thinking about going onto FF.

Does your read on Gheb still stand up?

 

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things to do:

-Read Kantrip/RR for Foxy, although tbph I'll just say right now that I'm most likely to come up town on them both.
-Detailed ISO of PJB and everyone (mostly Gheb) who interacted with him.
-Not get lynched.

How's that going for you, champ?

Did you finish your read on the other two? Can you tell me how that went? Because I'm about to do the same for RR. Save me the trouble?

 

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Or you avoided it to not get your hands dirty?

amg amg amg amg amg amg amg thats what you've been doing this whole day phase amg ruy pls

 

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I swear to God, I'm going to have Gheb's head on a pike.

 

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Sorry guys, I've been really busy as of late. Some quick thoughts:

Foxy is pretty town

why

JTB's first post of the day reeks of opportunism

why

Gheb town

why

I need to look at swords more in depth

yes

Does FF have any reads as of late?

good

 

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I swear I'm really trying not to beat a dead horse with BadWolf, but I really ****ing hate it when he posts.

 

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prod dodge, ive been sick as **** the past couple days and trying to do anything sucks

ill be in as soon as i get over it

that's legit, i've played league with him and he sounds like death itself.

 

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Joker using his sarcastic angry defense on Gheb. If it's distancing, it's well done. It's yet to be seen that Jokerscum and good play go together, so I'm inclined to call this legit.

Don't see it. Could easily be Joker looking for an excuse to start something small and unlikely to lead to something on a scummate.

 

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@Kantrip 865: Good-ass post.

 

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Also weird how they chose FF over JTB. Also yesterday Swords had JTB as null and said that we'd get nothing from him... but yet still wanted FF, even though he'd give the same result, nothing. Hmm.

FF's post was absolute trash. Why is this a problem?

 

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His response "He's SO null" was weird.

That sentence actually embodies my whole thought process on FF's post.

 

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Foxy, why are you fishing so hard?

 

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I'm glad to see Kantrip deciding to not knee-jerk push my lynch anymore. I do believe that this game is as good as won for us.

- Sworddancer is scum. Kantrip was covering the points and posts I was meant to go into detail on.
- Let's not forget that townSwiss pushed a Legolas lynch Day 1. His scumdar can be trusted.
- I believe that the scumteam is PJB, Sworddancer and JTB
- There are few but very telling interactions between PJB - JTB Day 1 and Sworddancer JTB toDay
- Let's not forget that townGheb pushed a JTB lynch Day 1. His scumdar can be trusted.
- We'll lynch Sworddancer toDay and if he flips scum we'll lynch JTB

@Kantrip

DH is NOT scum. Look at his few interactions with Legolas Day 1. There are instances where Legolas tries to discredit people pushing for the PJB lynch and DH chimes it. Read it! I also doubt that DH bussed PJB. If anything, Hando is the play if JTB isn't the last scumbag [or we're dealing with an indy].

Thought I would have to find a new image when I read the first sentence but this post is better than I thought it would be.

 

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I don't have time to defend myself in detail right now.

After I flip town, where will you guys look? A lot of you are giving FF town reads based on my push on him. Okay, well you guys have kind of pushed me into a corner where any push I make it's going to be taken as "desperate," but whatever. If I'm lynched and flip town, you'll see that I was being legit, and HOPEFULLY then you're see the obvious scumminess that is FF.

That defense sucks ass. FF push will always be welcomed as legit, doesn't change the fact that you can be scum.

Please don't quick lynch me until I have at least time to read.

Request granted.

 

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Why is FF's scumminess so obvious in all of his 2 posts ?

God, if FF is scum, you die immediately.

 

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Waiting on AM to agree with everything I just said so we can lynch Swords

Honestly, without links to these posts, I am not putting that much effort in. I'll bring this post up if I can be asked to read D1 again. Note: Alex is trying to get me to read d1 again.

 

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I HOLD NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS LYNCH.

I claim lazy and tired.

Vote swords.

****ing ****, please, please, please vig him.

 

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No. I wanted Badwolf to vote specifically. I knew he'd be at L-1 but I wanted to see how Badwolf would deal with it.

Tell me why the wagon is grimy though. And I mean point out who you think is grimy.

You wanna know who I think looks grimy here? I am not sure that anyone is. Ruy's play today has been absolutely disgusting. Your play has thrown up multiple red flags. BadWolf is ****ing impossible to read and I am getting closer and closer to scum over dumb every time he posts. With all that, Sworddancer still looks like a good lynch. I expected to come in and find multiple shady inactives and at least one active scum on that wagon because of the position it was in. At the moment, I think it's the right direction. Kantrip was correct on this push, but we will not be lynching him without a claim and he will not be claiming until I've heard a stance on him, in-depth and well-explained, from DH, FF, Handorin, JTB, and BadWolf. Capisce?

 

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And with that, I'm outta here.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Tbh AM I'm pretty busy right now, and it takes me literally hours to reread through threads. I might have a programming test coming up Wednesday and if that's the case then I won't have time to start rereading until late Wednesday after the test. However my programming test might instead be next Monday, in which case I can start rereading after class toDay. It depends on what the professor wants, and the professor will announce his decission today in class.

With that, I'm off to class.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Elaborate more, especially on townFoxy.

I don't have a tracking power. My PR is actually kinda ****ty in retrospect so I said **** it.

But I am the Darkness Element.

His reaction with his semi crumb seems legit. I kinda was questioning that slot with them being against PJB, then suddenly going ahead and voting him anyways.

But, his reactions and his posts to other were good enough for me, and I found much grimier people today.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You wanna know who I think looks grimy here? I am not sure that anyone is. Ruy's play today has been absolutely disgusting. Your play has thrown up multiple red flags. BadWolf is ****ing impossible to read and I am getting closer and closer to scum over dumb every time he posts. With all that, Sworddancer still looks like a good lynch. I expected to come in and find multiple shady inactives and at least one active scum on that wagon because of the position it was in. At the moment, I think it's the right direction. Kantrip was correct on this push, but we will not be lynching him without a claim and he will not be claiming until I've heard a stance on him, in-depth and well-explained, from DH, FF, Handorin, JTB, and BadWolf. Capisce?

This is gross.

Your not reading into anyones intent here nor looking at Badwolf how I know both of you would handle slots in the past. And despite calling us gross, your saying A-Ok to Swords dying?

Do tell, AM do tell.

I liked you D1, unfortunate this came here.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Foxy, why are you fishing so hard?

Show this.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What the ****, Ruy? Why are you staying away from the conversation about Sworddancer and trying to derail it?

At what point? most of the time I was trying to get everyone to post something on the topic of Foxy to see what it related to him and if I thought Foxy was town or not. Then if so what that meant for others and where I can look.

Why do you think I was trying to get everyone to post.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

That's the smart and town thing to do. It's becoming more and more apparent you don't have any teeth behind this claim and committing to it one way or the other, it does't matter, can be spun in a bad light.

It's the townie thing to not comment and try and stay and far as **** away from a potential guilty report? Watch it play it? Look elsewhere?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I swear to God, I'm going to have Gheb's head on a pike.

Do tell on this one.

I don't see it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't have time to defend myself in detail right now.

After I flip town, where will you guys look? A lot of you are giving FF town reads based on my push on him. Okay, well you guys have kind of pushed me into a corner where any push I make it's going to be taken as "desperate," but whatever. If I'm lynched and flip town, you'll see that I was being legit, and HOPEFULLY then you're see the obvious scumminess that is FF.

Please don't quick lynch me until I have at least time to read.

You got it.

Tell me about Gheb's posting interaction with Badwolf. More so on Badwolf's posts on why he suspects Gheb and Gheb's defense on it.