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Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

Foxy the Silver Fox

Foxy the Silver Fox

Anomandaris_Rake|Ranmaru
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Gova said:
1. Handorin ()
2. BadWolf28738 ()
3. Aggressive Mediation ()
4. Dark Horse ()
5. Gheb_01 (K)
6. JTB ()
7. frozenflame751 (SWord)
8. Potassium ()
9. Sworddancer. ()
10. Red Ruy ()
12. Foxy the Silver Fox(RR, JTB, AM)

Not voting: Handorin, BW, AM, DH, Gheb, FF, Foxy

With 11 playing it takes 6 lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 10th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).
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#HBC | Red Ryu

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I don't like how both of them interacted with PJB, more so how Swords defended him them hoped off really fast trying to stear the wagon in a different direction.

I don't like even more how Swords avoided it to let my gambit work even though I asked everyone to make an opinion on the matters, Swords avoided it altogether and tried to let everyone else get attention.

JTB is unreadable and being a major coaster, there is no vig in this game or him/DH would have been shot.

We will end them after we deal with swords.

Vote: Sworddancer
 
Aggressive Mediation

Aggressive Mediation

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Red Ryu said:
I don't like even more how Swords avoided it to let my gambit work even though I asked everyone to make an opinion on the matters, Swords avoided it altogether and tried to let everyone else get attention.
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Swag, you're done.

I didn't know for sure, but I assumed you were gambitting. I'll read and catch up. I've been letting Alex watch and have been out of the loop while I didn't have my laptop.

Will be here tomorrow night.
 
~ Gheb ~

~ Gheb ~

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I'm glad to see Kantrip deciding to not knee-jerk push my lynch anymore. I do believe that this game is as good as won for us.

- Sworddancer is scum. Kantrip was covering the points and posts I was meant to go into detail on.
- Let's not forget that townSwiss pushed a Legolas lynch Day 1. His scumdar can be trusted.
- I believe that the scumteam is PJB, Sworddancer and JTB
- There are few but very telling interactions between PJB - JTB Day 1 and Sworddancer JTB toDay
- Let's not forget that townGheb pushed a JTB lynch Day 1. His scumdar can be trusted.
- We'll lynch Sworddancer toDay and if he flips scum we'll lynch JTB

@Kantrip

DH is NOT scum. Look at his few interactions with Legolas Day 1. There are instances where Legolas tries to discredit people pushing for the PJB lynch and DH chimes it. Read it! I also doubt that DH bussed PJB. If anything, Hando is the play if JTB isn't the last scumbag [or we're dealing with an indy].

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Vote Sworddancer

I really can't see a way how his slot could be town at this point.

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#HBC | Dancer

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I don't have time to defend myself in detail right now.

After I flip town, where will you guys look? A lot of you are giving FF town reads based on my push on him. Okay, well you guys have kind of pushed me into a corner where any push I make it's going to be taken as "desperate," but whatever. If I'm lynched and flip town, you'll see that I was being legit, and HOPEFULLY then you're see the obvious scumminess that is FF.

Please don't quick lynch me until I have at least time to read.
 
Handorin

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@mod and all those interested: it's probably best to start looking for a replacement for me and let them get caught up. I'm moving out of my apartment soon, but we've had some trouble with the new one and have to look for a new one. Then we're going on vacation for a month staring the 19th. until then Ill do my best to post. I have some things to take care of first though.
 
Foxy the Silver Fox

Foxy the Silver Fox

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Time to do AM's work for him.


Just a note, I'm not quoting any of the **** I'm referencing. Y'all can look it up.

Firstly: JTB's 111 wrt Joker at the time looks like shameless bussing. Plus a chance to undercut us. Not to mention, JTb played the sidelong game with Joker's lynch the whole time it swung around. He even fought our defence of Joker, when he was defending Joker somewhat. This does not add up to the townie mentality I'd expect of JTB

Secondly: AM's 162 is the best thing since sliced bread.

Thirdly: Posts 180 and 183 are so tactically aimed at Gheb, can anyone say chainsaw ?

Fourthly: Joker's 205 supports scum swords from my pov. Look at how he tried to pass of Legolas' actions for him.

"Your vote read like an early RVS troll type post. Like, you were only wagoning me because you knew it wouldn't necessarily go anywhere, and maybe you wanted to see how people reacted to it " He's underselling the vote to give Swords better positioning upon his flip. It's the definition of unsubstantial, Swords rvs vote onto Joker, even in ther context of RVS was still by PoE the iffiest joiner to his wagon. Reads of Joker trying to pass off pressure from a scum mate.

" For JTB, I think someone else already said it but he's such a shameless coaster that I also didn't think much of it "

On scumSwords, JTB possibly town. He tries to lump their two actions together in the same thought path to offset the Swords oddity.


Fifthly: Lego's 280 is bleck

Sixth: Lego's 405 horrible justification for the swap. Honestly is not a tell. Kill Lego with fire

Seventh: Lego's 463: Dat light bus of Joker. "This PR is a little too strong " quip reads of placing Joker sidelong in case the wagon regains steam.

Waiting on AM to agree with everything I just said so we can lynch Swords
 
Gova

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1. Handorin ()
2. BadWolf28738 ()
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4. Dark Horse ()
5. Gheb_01 ()
6. JTB ()
7. frozenflame751 (SWord)
8. Potassium ()
9. Sworddancer. (K, Foxy, RR, Gheb)
10. Red Ruy ()
12. Foxy the Silver Fox(JTB, AM)

Not voting: Handorin, BW, AM, DH, FF

With 11 playing it takes 6 lynch!

Deadline is Monday, June 10th at 11:59 CST (GMT-6).
 
Foxy the Silver Fox

Foxy the Silver Fox

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Actually I also want you to tell me what you think of Swords. What do you think of his actions, and are they town or scum and why?
 
Aggressive Mediation

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You guys were pushing for hammer? Without a claim? That wagon is grimy. I am not caught up, so I may end up recanting all of this and saying, "Yeh, go ahead, shoot him," but that will not happen until after a claim and after I've had some input.
 
Foxy the Silver Fox

Foxy the Silver Fox

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No. I wanted Badwolf to vote specifically. I knew he'd be at L-1 but I wanted to see how Badwolf would deal with it.

Tell me why the wagon is grimy though. And I mean point out who you think is grimy.
 
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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
Him buying into your actions wholesale when Gova's already said the game could be swingy makes me feel iffy.

Why wouldn't he consider the idea of your results being tampered with ? Or that your faking them ?

It's null right now to me but it could be something to look into.
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Did you ever do anything with this? Why does the game being swingy affect him buying into a track result?
 
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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
Why wouldn't he consider the idea of your results being tampered with ? Or that your faking them ?
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Why should he consider that idea? Why do you really need any further persuasion for a D2 guilty wagon?

It's null right now to me but it could be something to look into.
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That's stupid safe. You claim he's null after looking at him. This means that you've been stacking up good and what you're implying here is bad. So what's the other half? What's going into it to conclude that he's null. If you think looks scummy, there's a reason for that but you're calling him null, so you're not committing to a stance.
 
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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
me an Ran feel like Swords ran with PJB's lynch until it became too legitimate, and it got him scared for his scum mate. he started scrambling to save his scum mate. Look at how he reacted once PJB's wagon was to the point of no return. His sudden swap doesnt add up / from our pov unless he was scrambling to save his mate after thinking the wagon wouldn't get any steam
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Where was this point and how did he react? This means nothing to me.
 
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Sworddancer. said:
One day Ran/Rake someone is going to bus their scummate and you guys are gonna be like "whaaaaaa . . . ?!"

My scum approach typically involves hard defending my mates that are getting heavy pressure throughout the entire Day. :awesome:

I don't see how my "swap" was sudden, considering that me and Xonar never were really on him for a legit reason.

Anyways, during the Night I wrote a few quick notes, but their on my other computer. Give me a couple of minutes.
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Weaksauce.
 
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Sworddancer. said:
Some not so in depth notes:

quick connections:

Handorin - Possibly noncommittial approach to PJB. Attacked PJB pretty early on without recieving flake for it that I can recall. Good thing that he attacked PJB
early, but his interactions with him was pretty scarce. Might just be Handorin but I don't like meta. Thinks he already found connections, strange but not
scummy. Lack of scumhunting in itself I don't like. Likelihood of being PJB's partner: 6/10.

Badwolf - Was absent most of the Day. At first soft defended PJB, but was noncommitial and never had the chance to go with it. I think I might know where he was coming
from but I'm not sure. Gut saids that he's town and his natural tendacy to sheep came through which is why he didn't hard defend PJB. Hoped on PJB pretty hard late
in the Day, which makes it less convincing if he's town. Likelihood of being PJB's partner: 5/10.

S&C- Pressured PJB early on, but then defended him late. Defense seems legit, don't think scum would defend partner like that when he was so close to
death. The way he defended him seemed genuine. Likelihood of being PJB's partner: 2/10.

Dark Horse - Attacked PJB early and hard for what I consider to be illogical reasons. Didn't really responed to us, didn't really interact with PJB much. Seemingly
genuine belief in PJB's scumminess but I say that with great iffiness. Likelihood of being PJB's partner: 6/10.

Gheb_01 - Weird interactions with PJB all around. Attacked PJB way too hard way too early. PJB defended himself in not a particularly unusual way. They attacked each other
for awhile, when ultimatly PJB didn't read Gheb as scum, just "Gheb being Gheb." Gheb later goes on to defend PJB. This is a really tricky to call. Why would Gheb
defend PJB? However, he didn't really do it directly, instead opting out to attack inactives, which Kantrip pointed out was unusual for him. Was vague about why
PJB was town. Late into the Day he went into stubborn "I ain't going to explain ****" mode. Interacted with plenty of people which is good. Overall likelihood of Gheb
being PJB's partner: 6/10.

JTB: Jumped on the PJB wagon very early on and then left sometime midgame. Never really commented on PJB. scumhunted somewhat, but never placed his money where his
mouth was. Pointed out some good stuff I suppose, but that's easy when you allow yourself so much time for it. It's in his meta, but I'm trying to avoid using meta now.
No interactions with PJB make his likelihood of being PJB's partner 7/10.

FF: Asked Gheb one filler question and then made an armchair critic post as to why PJB should not be lynched, while no actually voting PJB himself. No real interactions
betwenn FF and PJB. Yeah . . . likelihood of FF being PJB's partner: 8/10.

Foxy: Lol no. Likelihood of being PJB's partner: 1/10.

Aggressive Mediation - Xonie's paranoid that AM and PJB might have been bussing. Really doubt this though and since Xonar hasn't been posting he doesn't get to be the
shot caller. =p Still though it was a drastic attack on PJB, but for damn sakes he pushed through the wagon and it seemed genuine. Likelihood of AM being PJB's partner:
3/10.

Need to read into RR and Kantrip.
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Best post Swords made all game.
 
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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
This is a bit disgusting coming from PJB. He never really gave an opinion on Gheb before hand and I don't see a genuine reason for him to say this after Swords voting Gheb. It feels a bit wifomy, as if he's trying to implicate Gheb with wishywashyness (or fence-sittyness, whichever is the right term). I would think he would do this to GhebTOWN to implicate him on a scum flip later on.
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Can you rephrase the final sentence?
 
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Sworddancer. said:
Hmmmm, you may have a point. However your words kinda remind me of myself when I was defending PJB ("Why would he do this as scum?"). Let me chew on it.

In the mean time, I still believe that Gheb's attack on PJB doesn't seem legit. Think about. Within the first 50 posts of the game he's able to come up with sweeping essays as to why PJB was scummy, but he hasn't replicated this behavior with anyone else. Does the fact that he hasn't found any other target (besides inactives) bother you?
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Why are you pursuing Gheb here with your vote on FF?
 
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To elaborate on our Gheb read, cause I haven't had any input on it:

I really don't think Gheb cedes over thread control to Swiss like that, but I won't deny the way he looks when you pair him up next to PJB. Legitimately, if not for PJB, I would have no issues with Gheb.
 
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