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Elements and Attributes Mafia - Game Over!

#HBC | Dancer

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Hmmmm, you may have a point. However your words kinda remind me of myself when I was defending PJB ("Why would he do this as scum?"). Let me chew on it.

In the mean time, I still believe that Gheb's attack on PJB doesn't seem legit. Think about. Within the first 50 posts of the game he's able to come up with sweeping essays as to why PJB was scummy, but he hasn't replicated this behavior with anyone else. Does the fact that he hasn't found any other target (besides inactives) bother you?
 
#HBC | Dancer

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Actually, you know what?

Hmmmm, you may have a point. However your words kinda remind me of myself when I was defending PJB ("Why would he do this as scum?"). Let me chew on it.
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@Kantrip, BW: Can I get your take on this?
 
Aggressive Mediation

Aggressive Mediation

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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
Him buying into your actions wholesale when Gova's already said the game could be swingy makes me feel iffy.

Why wouldn't he consider the idea of your results being tampered with ? Or that your faking them ?

It's null right now to me but it could be something to look into.
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Which is likelier, the chance of an investigative telling the truth or the chance that he was tampered with? I certainly don't wanna assume it off the cuff.
 
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Foxy the Silver Fox said:
me an Ran feel like Swords ran with PJB's lynch until it became too legitimate, and it got him scared for his scum mate. he started scrambling to save his scum mate. Look at how he reacted once PJB's wagon was to the point of no return. His sudden swap doesnt add up / from our pov unless he was scrambling to save his mate after thinking the wagon wouldn't get any steam
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Elaborate more on this. Taking a 48 hour break made my memory dim some. Can you give me some specific points?
 
Foxy the Silver Fox

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Aggressive Mediation said:
Which is likelier, the chance of an investigative telling the truth or the chance that he was tampered with? I certainly don't wanna assume it off the cuff.
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I see your concern. Nothing else I can do but just show you what I actually did. *Shrug* What would you do in the scenario of being wrongly accused with a track/cop as town? Same as I'm doing.
 
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Sworddancer. said:
Hmmmm, you may have a point. However your words kinda remind me of myself when I was defending PJB ("Why would he do this as scum?"). Let me chew on it.

In the mean time, I still believe that Gheb's attack on PJB doesn't seem legit. Think about. Within the first 50 posts of the game he's able to come up with sweeping essays as to why PJB was scummy, but he hasn't replicated this behavior with anyone else. Does the fact that he hasn't found any other target (besides inactives) bother you?
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I mean, were there really any great targets that were active outside of PJB? But I think you might've had a point. During the day phase he mentioned that a reason he didn't like the PJB wagon was that there were people on it that, in his words, made him disagree with it, such as JTB or...I think Badwolf off the top of my head. Yet, despite these players, he drives randomly after another player and it takes me asking him as to why he's not voting these players and that other one just to reconsider and switch wagons. That is rather strange from Gheb.
 
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Aggressive Mediation said:
I mean, were there really any great targets that were active outside of PJB? But I think you might've had a point. During the day phase he mentioned that a reason he didn't like the PJB wagon was that there were people on it that, in his words, made him disagree with it, such as JTB or...I think Badwolf off the top of my head. Yet, despite these players, he drives randomly after another player and it takes me asking him as to why he's not voting these players and that other one just to reconsider and switch wagons. That is rather strange from Gheb.
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my questions bro, unless you aren't a bro.
 
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Red Ryu said:
I would like explanation.

That and your vote.
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Other head's talked about it at times where he doesn't see Gheb willingly handing away thread control to other slots. Gheb is more stubborn as scum and isn't willing to sacrifice power. He did for S&C, saying he would cooperate and basically followed their every action all game while providing his own content. Outside of that, that "I'm right, everyone else is a tool" mentality has occurred before for Gheb, but it was as town, where his frustration for the game (in that case getting lynched, in this case one of his townreads getting lynched) shined through and he responded in his usual bitter way. I don't like either attitude and Gheb's made some weird action choices but I think these two things make me think that Gheb, if he is scum, is approaching this game in a different way than he normally would and that it'd surprise me if he flipped scum.
 
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Aggressive Mediation said:
Other head's talked about it at times where he doesn't see Gheb willingly handing away thread control to other slots. Gheb is more stubborn as scum and isn't willing to sacrifice power. He did for S&C, saying he would cooperate and basically followed their every action all game while providing his own content. Outside of that, that "I'm right, everyone else is a tool" mentality has occurred before for Gheb, but it was as town, where his frustration for the game (in that case getting lynched, in this case one of his townreads getting lynched) shined through and he responded in his usual bitter way. I don't like either attitude and Gheb's made some weird action choices but I think these two things make me think that Gheb, if he is scum, is approaching this game in a different way than he normally would and that it'd surprise me if he flipped scum.
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And your vote on Foxy?
 
Kantrip

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Sworddancer. said:
Hmmmm, you may have a point. However your words kinda remind me of myself when I was defending PJB ("Why would he do this as scum?"). Let me chew on it.

In the mean time, I still believe that Gheb's attack on PJB doesn't seem legit. Think about. Within the first 50 posts of the game he's able to come up with sweeping essays as to why PJB was scummy, but he hasn't replicated this behavior with anyone else. Does the fact that he hasn't found any other target (besides inactives) bother you?
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You've got half of why Gheb is scummy. The essays of why PJB is scum early game isn't what got me, it's the switch from those to defending PJB without any realization having been reached. Gheb just arbitrarily 180'd that read when the first wagon of the Day turned out to be more serious than it first seemed. He was initially trying to distance himself from PJB by calling him scum, but didn't intend to actually lynch him. Things went sour and Gheb joined the "defend PJB" train, but there was no townie incentive for doing so at the time when he did.

This is why I want Gheb toDay.

In response to RR's Foxy line, I'll let what happens happen. I'm pretty done with RR pulling at least one stupid claim gambit every game (this is a gimmick I used to pull back when I was bad) and I'm not putting it past him for this to be one, too.

Vote Gheb
 
Kantrip

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Aggressive Mediation said:
Other head's talked about it at times where he doesn't see Gheb willingly handing away thread control to other slots. Gheb is more stubborn as scum and isn't willing to sacrifice power. He did for S&C, saying he would cooperate and basically followed their every action all game while providing his own content. Outside of that, that "I'm right, everyone else is a tool" mentality has occurred before for Gheb, but it was as town, where his frustration for the game (in that case getting lynched, in this case one of his townreads getting lynched) shined through and he responded in his usual bitter way. I don't like either attitude and Gheb's made some weird action choices but I think these two things make me think that Gheb, if he is scum, is approaching this game in a different way than he normally would and that it'd surprise me if he flipped scum.
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Could it be because S&C defended PJB?

What about the fact that Gheb allowed thread control to S&C, then S&C died? Does that suggest anything?
 
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Sworddancer. said:
Sure, and I was wrong. I just didn't see why a scum PJB would constantly put himself in situations that were ****ty. Plus, he was just so damn antagonizing, another weird move for scum to make under pressure.

"I think you just don't like to bus or you just try to keep your scum team in tact."

What are you basing this on? Bussing is not an alien concept to me.

"Don't act like you defending your scum mate isn't plausible."

It is plausible, but at the risk of using WIFOM, why would I do it? PJB was in just a terrible spot, and the long term benefit of a scum me trying to save him is practically nonexistent. The only explanation I can think of that justifies me being scum with PJB is that I was trying to do something "scum wouldn't do" by connecting myself heavily to a doomed partner, and you know that's a very unreliable strategy for any scum.

Vote: FF
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Dislike the majority of this post. He talks a lot about using WIFOM and the risks associated or something like that, and proceeds to base this entire post on WIFOM. Probably going to reread and see if Swords makes more sense than Gheb.
 
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Two more things I dislike about Sword:

1. He put his vote on FF. Pressuring an easy slot to pressure to see if it sticks. This isn't too bad, except for it goes with point 2.

2. Buys into the Gheb scum theory. Not only does he not grasp the full reasoning for why Gheb is suspicious, but Gheb defended PJB much like Swords did. Why is Swords allowed to use his crappy WIFOM defense and yet is perfectly justified voting Gheb? Hypocrisy at its finest.

I dislike that he's voting FF if he thinks Gheb is scummy for legit reasoning.

@sword: You got something on FF or...?
 
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