"Echo Characters"

[ZTurtle]

I think Isabelle would be a cool addition too, but I don't really think she'd be the best Echo FIghter. I could see her using the emotes from Animal Crossing as her moveset, to represent Animal Crossing NPCs (Like the exclamation point as an up tilt and stuff like that).

 

[Nothgard]

I Don't know how the alternate suits and colors are handled, because in the demo you can't use the meta ridley suit, What I mean is that samus dont have the color of dark samus, so dark samus is an echo fighter? or is it a samus suit?

 

[smileMasky]

I Don't know how the alternate suits and colors are handled, because in the demo you can't use the meta ridley suit, What I mean is that samus dont have the color of dark samus, so dark samus is an echo fighter? or is it a samus suit?

i think we may get dark samus as a fighter unless they pull a fast one on us then who knows

 

[Takasmash]

I like the way how this guy explains about third parties echoes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSeiWJYORg

 

[VioletSmashfan]

I think the difference between clones and echos is that echos fundamentally play like the original, hence why, for example Lucina and Marth are so close o the tier list, but Dr. Mario and Mario or Fox and Falco are so far apart. Then there's the fact that echos seem to have the same proportions as the original. So it doesn't make sense imo that people want characters like Young Link or Pichu, who vary greatly in abilities and proportions to the original, to be labeled echos.

As for my choices, I think Shadow is most likely confirmed, and I think they will make him stronger but slightly slower than Sonic, maybe adding some fire attribute attacks to his kicks due to his rocket skates. I don't think he will get any chaos powers for his special attacs since no echo thus far has had different specials from their original.

Alph could work by giving him rock pikmin instead of purple pikmin. At the same time, they could make Alph pluck pikmin randomly like Olimar did in brawl VS olimar who plucks them in a specific order, making Alph's playstyle more random than Olimar's. He'd also be lighter.

A want Impa as an echo of Sheik, for no other reason bar the fact that the LOZ series needs a new rep that isn't a link clone, which we haven't gotten since melee. Impa is also the most recurring LOZ character bar the triforce trio. As for how she'd be different than Sheik, I don't think their would be much differences aside from super-minor changes, like how much knockback or damage an attack does or what direction they are launched.

True Midna could work as an echo of Zelda as well, but I think if anyone is being an echo of Zelda, it will be Hilda. Though I personally want Midna due to her being an original character rather than Hilda who is another Zelda like Toon Link is another Link.

As for other potential characters, that I don't care to be in or not:

Funky for DK
Demise for Ganon
Dark Samus for Samus
Chrom for Ike
Shadow Mewtwo for Mewtwo
Ninten for Ness

Overall, I think a total of 6-7 Echos are acceptable, maybe more considering Sakurai said we won't be getting too many newcomers, so Echos may be the best way to include more characters.

Shadow won't be slightly slower than Sonic if he gets in as a fighter (in the Sonic series, Shadow can run at 765mph which is his top maximum speed, which is the exact same maximum speed that Sonic himself can run at), if anything Shadow will basically be Sonic with Fire attributed sweetspots on all of his kicks and probably a different spring (it'll be the more modern one used since Sonic Adventure 2) and a slightly different but similar FS (Super Shadow acts the same as Super Sonic but with Chaos Spears being thrown around all over the stage and likewise his tackles deal less damage than Super Sonic's (most of his FS's damage will be coming from those Spears) and before he turns back to normal, does Chaos Blast to end it).

 

[Takasmash]

I think Dark Samus should be her own character not an echo just look at her as a assist trophy if you get my point.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

You know what they should use Echo Characters for? Two things:

1. Significantly different iterations of characters from previous games.

I've been pretty vocal in saying this, but I miss certain versions of characters from previous games. Melee Bowser holds a place in my heart for how monstrous he is, and I have a preference for how Link played in previous Smashes (not that I'm against BotW Link at all). And I do miss Ganondorf having the elbow, high kick, and front-back kick in lieu of his Smashes (though I completely understand why they are changed).

To this end, I think they should use Echo Characters to bring back these significantly different iterations. This would truly make this game more "Ultimate" than it already is by letting us play the way we want with certain characters in a way:

• : Dark Bowser, Dry Bowser, or even False Bowser (w/Tanooki Tail) or Bowser Statue can take Bowser's Melee moveset. However, the Melee-type Bowser Echo needs to have the Koopa Klaw instead of the Flying Slam, as the latter fits current Bowser better while the former fits Melee Bowser better.
• : Yes, I know this is an annoyance for many people who want Ganondorf to keep the moveset, but Black Shadow should receive the old Ganondorf moveset. Black Shadow can retain the dark version of Raptor Boost instead of Ganondorf's Flame Choke, and he would use the high-kick up smash that Ganondorf lost as well as the elbow forward smash that both Falcon and Ganondorf have lost. And hey, maybe this will lead to Ganondorf getting the magic that people want so much!
• : TP Link should come back with the Smash 4 moveset, with OoT Link being his alt. The boomerang would be the Melee version, but TP Link's would aesthetically be the Gale Boomerang without the wind effect.

2. The first step towards having multiple characters from one third-party franchise.

I've been... somewhat against having multiple third-party characters per franchise, as we discussed on this thread. However, with Echo Fighters, that could change. All they would really need to do is make models, and they can recycle coding and animations from other characters.

• : Akuma should be Ryu's echo. Sorry Ken, but Akuma is the most iconic of the Ryu clones at this point.
• : Either Shadow or Metal Sonic. I'd personally prefer Metal Sonic since Shadow being Sonic's echo might create another "Ganondorf's moveset" situation where people would ask why he doesn't have Chaos Spear or other unique stuff.
• : Jeanne should be Bayonetta's echo. Not much to discuss there.
• : Naked Snake/Big Boss. I can't really think of any differences, though.

Sorry, but if any Sonic character were to be an Echo of the Blue Blur himself, it's going to be Shadow (as Shadow is very similar to Sonic and shares a lot of his moves including the Spin Dash and Homing Attack), Metal Sonic has far too many different properties to work (not to mention, he's a robot and he can't Spin Dash nor do the Homing Attack, also Metal Sonic is not as popular as Shadow is).

As for the Chaos Spears issue, just slap them onto Shadow's Final Smash as Super Shadow (similar to how Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing did for Shadow's All-Star move).

Ken was the ORIGINAL Echo, yes Akuma is popular (and would be my ideal choice to be Ryu's Echo), but I have a feeling Akuma's too closely tight with the Tekken series to get in at this point, Ken's the way to go if we're adding in a Ryu Echo and he wouldn't be that hard to add in.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

Well I suppose. But Ken is a popular and well known streetfighter character. And since clones are usually made with leftover dev time due to their easy creation I don't think it could be a longshot that Ken could be made a Ryu clone since the connection is right there.

The problem lies in whether the devs want to add another third party street fighter character I think.

If Ken has enough popularity with said devs and the fans, he's got a shot.

Also whenever Nintendo gets the license to use 3rd-party characters in Smash Bros (whether it's a playable character, regular trophy or as an assist trophy), they can always ask said 3rd parties about adding in a 2nd rep to an already existing 3rd-party franchise.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Here's my philosophy on Echo Fighters. Echo Fighters are based another fighter with same attack animations, but different attributes and idle/taunt animations. So some characters like Dixie may not be an echo because not only she does not a jet pack, but also her hair.

So I have 3 fighters that might be in
Shadow
Ken
and Dark Samus

 

[Putuk]

Why are people arguing that X character shouldn't be an echo, because they could be an unique character?
Of course that's the case, ANY character could be unique, but that's simply not viable in terms of time/resources. It's either they're in or they don't show up at all.

This is why I'm pretty open to any Echo Fighters. Don't give me that "it'd be a disservice to the character" to only be an echo, being in Smash is like one of the absolute best things that can possibly happen to a video game character.

 

[Troykv]

I like the idea of Echo Fighters; I just want them to make sense; that they using the original character's attacks looks believable.

 

[Quillion]

Sorry, but if any Sonic character were to be an Echo of the Blue Blur himself, it's going to be Shadow (as Shadow is very similar to Sonic and shares a lot of his moves including the Spin Dash and Homing Attack), Metal Sonic has far too many different properties to work (not to mention, he's a robot and he can't Spin Dash nor do the Homing Attack, also Metal Sonic is not as popular as Shadow is).

As for the Chaos Spears issue, just slap them onto Shadow's Final Smash as Super Shadow (similar to how Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing did for Shadow's All-Star move).

Wait, what? Have you played Sonic 4 Episode Metal? Have you played either of the Gamecube Sonic Adventure ports? Metal Sonic has a longer history of playing like Sonic than Shadow does.

Shadow has grown farther and farther apart from Sonic in abilities when playable (Forces being an exception), but Metal Sonic still retains his Sonic-like moves.

Ken was the ORIGINAL Echo, yes Akuma is popular (and would be my ideal choice to be Ryu's Echo), but I have a feeling Akuma's too closely tight with the Tekken series to get in at this point, Ken's the way to go if we're adding in a Ryu Echo and he wouldn't be that hard to add in.

He's also closely tied with the Marvel Capcom fighters (before they became MvC), MvC, and Asura's Wrath. Capcom will put Akuma in anything at this point while Ken is shafted.

 

[Troykv]

Wait, what? Have you played Sonic 4 Episode Metal? Have you played either of the Gamecube Sonic Adventure ports? Metal Sonic has a longer history of playing like Sonic than Shadow does.

Shadow has grown farther and farther apart from Sonic in abilities when playable (Forces being an exception), but Metal Sonic still retains his Sonic-like moves.



He's also closely tied with the Marvel Capcom fighters (before they became MvC), MvC, and Asura's Wrath. Capcom will put Akuma in anything at this point while Ken is shafted.

I can see both Shadow and Metal Sonic Having enought abilities in their own to be semi clones.

But also quite similar enough to fit right at home as Sonic's Echoes (Which well... they were created with that intention in mind now that I think about it).

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Honestly, the only real difference that Shadow and Metal Sonic would need are different running animations. Both have shared Sonic's moveset in previous Sonic games so it wouldn't be an almighty betrayal of the canon.

Well running animation and-
-For Shadow: turning into a black ball with red effects when curled up
-For Metal Sonic: A different final Smash (Metal overlord maybe?)

 

[GolisoPower]

I haven’t been seeing like, EVERY post in this thread, but this gets me thinking: how would you select an Echo Fighter?

My idea is that if you hover over a character that has an Echo, say for example Marth, there is an additional icon above the character art with the Epsilon symbol on it. Press that icon and you switch Marth with Lucina, either by using the cursor after selection or pressing, say, the plus/minus button (depending on whether you’re using one or two Joy-Cons) to switch before selection.

That’s just my idea, though.

 

[MoonlitIllusion]

I haven’t been seeing like, EVERY post in this thread, but this gets me thinking: how would you select an Echo Fighter?

My idea is that if you hover over a character that has an Echo, say for example Marth, there is an additional icon above the character art with the Epsilon symbol on it. Press that icon and you switch Marth with Lucina, either by using the cursor after selection or pressing, say, the plus/minus button (depending on whether you’re using one or two Joy-Cons) to switch before selection.

That’s just my idea, though.

That seems really unnecessary tbh, I think just giving them their own slot next to their original character works just fine

 

[GolisoPower]

That seems really unnecessary tbh, I think just giving them their own slot next to their original character works just fine

Fair enough. But seeing this makes me wonder: if you unlock Pit, for example, would Dark Pit be automatically unlocked as well? Or would he need to be unlocked separately?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Fair enough. But seeing this makes me wonder: if you unlock Pit, for example, would Dark Pit be automatically unlocked as well? Or would he need to be unlocked separately?

Why are we assuming the echoes in this game like are going to be treated any differently than Lucy and DP were in the last one? I'm sure an echo will get their own roster slot, victory anims, and unlock criteria, just like any other character.

The alt costumes are the ones that share a slot and unlock criteria, and so far we only know of the Koopalings and Alph.

I guess we just need to find out with the next character announcement, but I hope Sakurai isn't going to bloat the roster with loads of unnecessary echoes. I don't think that just because two characters resemble each other that that should make them an echo - they do still have to prove themselves. After all, as much of a hatebase as she may have, Daisy is still incredibly visible and popular.

 

[GalacticPetey]

I think echoes should still be important big name characters who make sense as Smash additions. Dark Samus is an example what I think would work well. A major villain from a popular series who happens to work as an echo. I roll my eyes when I see stuff like Hilda, Dry Bowser, and Funky for echoes since they're such minor characters in each of their respective home series.

 

[Mr Gentleman]

Ken is the only Echo I really want. as others have said. Ken is the original Echo Fighter. so it just makes sense

 

[marmite]

Villain echos ideas, most of which will never happen
Donkey Kong = Ghastly King
Donkey Kong = Dread Kong
Samus = Dark Samus
Luigi = Mr L
Captain Falcon = Black Shadow
Captain Falcon = Deathborn
Peach = Princess Shroob
Zelda = Veran
Falcon = Leon
Ganondorf = Agahnim
Ganondorf = Nergal
Ganondorf = Demise
Ganondorf = Hades
Ganondorf = Zoda
Meta Knight = Galacta Knight
Ike = The Black Knight
Sonic = Metal Sonic
King Dedede = Wart
Palutena = Medusa
Robin = Lyon
Bowser Jr = Porky
Bowser Jr = Tatanga
Ryu = Akuma
Pokemon Trainer = Team Rocket with shadow versions of the pokemon
Marth = Pious Augustus
Mii Fighter (Swordfighter) = Mashtooth

 

[VioletSmashfan]

Wait, what? Have you played Sonic 4 Episode Metal? Have you played either of the Gamecube Sonic Adventure ports? Metal Sonic has a longer history of playing like Sonic than Shadow does.

Shadow has grown farther and farther apart from Sonic in abilities when playable (Forces being an exception), but Metal Sonic still retains his Sonic-like moves.



He's also closely tied with the Marvel Capcom fighters (before they became MvC), MvC, and Asura's Wrath. Capcom will put Akuma in anything at this point while Ken is shafted.

I've played the Gamecube port of Sonic Adventure 2, and Metal Sonic does not play like Sonic at all in that game (he cannot spin dash in it for example instead using an energy-like move when you try to do the usual spin-dash), and Metal Sonic hasn't been playable since that DLC event, he's less likely to get in as a fighter.

Ehh, no Shadow hasn't grown farther apart from Sonic (he does use his Chaos powers more, but only when you fight against him in boss fights and cutscenes, the only games he actually uses his Chaos powers was in his own game (other than the gun gameplay, he only used Chaos Control and Blast in Shadow the Hedgehog and he still spin-dashed), and in Sonic 06 (where he can only do a weak Chaos Spear), he still has the same abilities as Sonic, the only legit way his Chaos powers gets used is as a part of his Final Smash combo with Super Shadow.

Shadow will always be a Sonic echo! And he should therefore stay that way heading into this game!

 

[Quillion]

I guess we just need to find out with the next character announcement, but I hope Sakurai isn't going to bloat the roster with loads of unnecessary echoes. I don't think that just because two characters resemble each other that that should make them an echo

That and the characters still need to have the same abilities as their templates. Otherwise, we'll just fill the roster with more "Ganondorf's movesets" (as much as I've been trying to defend Ganondorf's moveset).

 

[DarthEnderX]

(as much as I've been trying to defend Ganondorf's moveset).

YOU MONSTER!!

 

[Dragon lord]

I've played the Gamecube port of Sonic Adventure 2, and Metal Sonic does not play like Sonic at all in that game (he cannot spin dash in it for example instead using an energy-like move when you try to do the usual spin-dash), and Metal Sonic hasn't been playable since that DLC event, he's less likely to get in as a fighter.

Ehh, no Shadow hasn't grown farther apart from Sonic (he does use his Chaos powers more, but only when you fight against him in boss fights and cutscenes, the only games he actually uses his Chaos powers was in his own game (other than the gun gameplay, he only used Chaos Control and Blast in Shadow the Hedgehog and he still spin-dashed), and in Sonic 06 (where he can only do a weak Chaos Spear), he still has the same abilities as Sonic, the only legit way his Chaos powers gets used is as a part of his Final Smash combo with Super Shadow.

Shadow will always be a Sonic echo! And he should therefore stay that way heading into this game!

While having Shadow use chaos spear in his final smash does make sense, that would still be a move made from the ground up, something we haven't seen for echo Final smashes yet (Dark Pit's final smash being basically a reskin of zeldas) and if you think about it, the time making that final smash could be used doing something more useful, like say porting mewtwos Up B onto shadow and calling it "Chaos Control", boom, all problems are fixed and shadow has his iconic ability without much time used

 

[DarthEnderX]

(Dark Pit's final smash being basically a reskin of zeldas)

Do we even know that Dark Pit's Final Smash is still that in Ultimate?

 

[Deleted member]

Do we even know that Dark Pit's Final Smash is still that in Ultimate?

Yes:

 

[Capybara Gaming]

It isn't anymore either way lol haha.

 

[MattX20]

I'm fairly convinced in Hilda given the factors surrounding Zelda and Ninten as an echo for Lucas.

 

[smashingDoug]

Met

Sorry, but if any Sonic character were to be an Echo of the Blue Blur himself, it's going to be Shadow (as Shadow is very similar to Sonic and shares a lot of his moves including the Spin Dash and Homing Attack), Metal Sonic has far too many different properties to work (not to mention, he's a robot and he can't Spin Dash nor do the Homing Attack, also Metal Sonic is not as popular as Shadow is).

As for the Chaos Spears issue, just slap them onto Shadow's Final Smash as Super Shadow (similar to how Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing did for Shadow's All-Star move).

Ken was the ORIGINAL Echo, yes Akuma is popular (and would be my ideal choice to be Ryu's Echo), but I have a feeling Akuma's too closely tight with the Tekken series to get in at this point, Ken's the way to go if we're adding in a Ryu Echo and he wouldn't be that hard to add in.[/QUOTE

Sorry but metal sonic can spin dash and homing attack
SADX for both
SA2B for homing attack
Rivals 2 for both

 

[Dragon lord]

even if metal sonic couldn't spin dash or homing attack (he can btw) he's been known to copy abilities anyway so it's really not farfecthed, and honestly, Metal Sonic would be way easier to represent as a sonic clone then shadow would be, since his signature ability (v. maximum overdrive) could just be used in the super sonic FS

 

[Pippin (Peregrin Took)]

Metal Sonic should be what Sonic turns into when he picks up the Metal Box, but 99.9% sure that’s not gonna happen.

I’m leaning towards Shadow as Sonic’s echo, changing the running animation and switching out a couple of the B-moves. Maybe Stomp and Burning Spin Dash from Sonic’s Smash 4 customs since both remind me of stuff from Sonic Adventure 2 Battle.

 

[Quillion]

I'm fairly convinced in Hilda given the factors surrounding Zelda and Ninten as an echo for Lucas.

Ninten does make sense as he would complete the trilogy of MOTHER heroes.

But why Hilda? She's just a Zelda one-shot. Shouldn't Echoes be important characters too?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ninten does make sense as he would complete the trilogy of MOTHER heroes.

But why Hilda? She's just a Zelda one-shot. Shouldn't Echoes be important characters too?

This is somethign I've wondered for a while. True, Lucy and DP got in on technicalities (but Lucy does have a significant fanbase of her own), but people seem all too opposed to alts (Alph) instead of echoes.

After all, since Lucy and DP are grandfathered in, the only character we can use for speculation is Daisy, and she is a very visible character with a following. Would Sakurai really give an echo spot to anyone just because they happen to look similar?

 

[VioletSmashfan]

While having Shadow use chaos spear in his final smash does make sense, that would still be a move made from the ground up, something we haven't seen for echo Final smashes yet (Dark Pit's final smash being basically a reskin of zeldas) and if you think about it, the time making that final smash could be used doing something more useful, like say porting mewtwos Up B onto shadow and calling it "Chaos Control", boom, all problems are fixed and shadow has his iconic ability without much time used

Or we could just give Shadow the Sonic Adventure 2 version of the Spring Jump, just that it won't deal damage like Sonic's...... oh wait, Sonic's Spring Jump doesn't hurt foes anymore, at least Shadow's Spring Jump won't be as bouncy.

Met

Sorry but metal sonic can spin dash and homing attack
SADX for both
SA2B for homing attack
Rivals 2 for both

Didn't know Metal was even playable in SADX and I completely forgot he had the homing attack in SA2B (haven't played that game enough to even notice).

Still don't care, Metal Sonic will never be in Smash Bros as a playable fighter unless it's as a collectible trophy (or assist trophy which Knuckles currently has taken to represent the Classic Era), MS simply doesn't meet the requirements that Shadow currently has (I will agree MS does have popularity, but not nearly enough to become a 2nd Sonic rep which Shadow has tons of popularity over the years and is likewise the 2nd most popular Sonic character, next to Sonic himself).

And speaking of Meta Sonic, he's technically in Smash Bros already....hint.....hint...wink...wink!

 

[SpiralGalaxies]

Honestly, after thinking about it for a while, I would really like Gardevoir in as an Echo fighter. I don't think she has much of a chance but I'd thinks she'd be a good fit for a zelda or mewtwo echo.

 

[Dragon lord]

Or we could just give Shadow the Sonic Adventure 2 version of the Spring Jump, just that it won't deal damage like Sonic's...... oh wait, Sonic's Spring Jump doesn't hurt foes anymore, at least Shadow's Spring Jump won't be as bouncy.



Didn't know Metal was even playable in SADX and I forgot he had the homing attack in SA2B.

Still don't care, Metal Sonic will never be in Smash Bros as a playable fighter unless it's as a collectible trophy (or assist trophy which Knuckles currently has taken to represent the Classic Era), MS simply doesn't meet the requirements that Shadow currently has (I will agree MS does have popularity, but not nearly enough to become a 2nd Sonic rep which Shadow has tons of popularity over the years and is likewise the 2nd most popular Sonic character, next to Sonic himself).

Well my problem with the shadow echo is that he needs chaos powers somewhere, may it be a final smash or whatever, the reason i think this is because every other clone we have had so far still references there signature weaponry in some way or another (yes even ganondorf, as in OOT his main thing was magic so all his moves are enhanced with dark magic, his Down b is called "Wizard's foot" for a reason ya know) and i haven't seen a good idea for a Shadow FS that fits what we already know about echoes or about the new "Flashy and straight to the point" FS, mind you i could be wrong but looking at all clones before this, this is the feeling i get

 

[Mastermiine]

Or we could just give Shadow the Sonic Adventure 2 version of the Spring Jump, just that it won't deal damage like Sonic's...... oh wait, Sonic's Spring Jump doesn't hurt foes anymore, at least Shadow's Spring Jump won't be as bouncy.



Didn't know Metal was even playable in SADX and I completely forgot he had the homing attack in SA2B (haven't played that game enough to even notice).

Still don't care, Metal Sonic will never be in Smash Bros as a playable fighter unless it's as a collectible trophy (or assist trophy which Knuckles currently has taken to represent the Classic Era), MS simply doesn't meet the requirements that Shadow currently has (I will agree MS does have popularity, but not nearly enough to become a 2nd Sonic rep which Shadow has tons of popularity over the years and is likewise the 2nd most popular Sonic character, next to Sonic himself).

And speaking of Meta Sonic, he's technically in Smash Bros already....hint.....hint...wink...wink!

I agree, if we were gonna get a 2nd sonic rep it would be either Tails, Shadow, or Dr.Eggman those are the top three requested characters I am seeing. (Knuckles is requested but R.I.P). Metal Sonic doesn't even have as big of a following as the three I stated. And if Metal sonic was in before the others I would be heavily disappointed.

 

[Mastermiine]

Well my problem with the shadow echo is that he needs chaos powers somewhere, may it be a final smash or whatever, the reason i think this is because every other clone we have had so far still references there signature weaponry in some way or another (yes even ganondorf, as in OOT his main thing was magic so all his moves are enhanced with dark magic, his Down b is called "Wizard's foot" for a reason ya know) and i haven't seen a good idea for a Shadow FS that fits what we already know about echoes or about the new "Flashy and straight to the point" FS, mind you i could be wrong but looking at all clones before this, this is the feeling i get

Honestly super shadow would even work for his final smash. Maybe we will get lucky and he won't be an echo and he will have chaos moves.

 

[VioletSmashfan]

Well my problem with the shadow echo is that he needs chaos powers somewhere, may it be a final smash or whatever, the reason i think this is because every other clone we have had so far still references there signature weaponry in some way or another (yes even ganondorf, as in OOT his main thing was magic so all his moves are enhanced with dark magic, his Down b is called "Wizard's foot" for a reason ya know) and i haven't seen a good idea for a Shadow FS that fits what we already know about echoes or about the new "Flashy and straight to the point" FS, mind you i could be wrong but looking at all clones before this, this is the feeling i get

Super Shadow with Chaos Powers is entirely doable (mostly Spear during the dashing portion and then when right before he turns back to normal does Chaos Blast).

Plus him gaining fire effects on all of kicks would be pretty neat as well as adding in sweetspots for said effects.