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Man, that would be awesome... Mainly just for Blastoise lol, though sadly they wouldn't really pan out as Echoes since their bodies are too diferent.
They sacrificed too much for the sake of the "evolution line representation" narrative. Trainer is a dumb, clumsy character concept. A triple transformation character with 2 forms that never deserved to be playable Smash characters in a game that wisely removed transformation characters in the previous game. And the only reason he's back now is for the sake of the "Everyone is here!" narrative.
In some ways, I can agree. Charizard could have justifiably stayed its own character, and the switching can be cumbersome for some people. I can say that I would have preferred for them to be separate characters rather than scrunched up into Pokemon Trainer myself.
I think it's the fact that they're at different evolutionary levels that bothers me the most.
I actually prefer the three-in-one mechanic. Charizard in Sm4sh felt really empty to me - I’d loved the three together in Brawl, and then they got rid of the two I was better at because of 3DS limitations.
Yes, and the map in Metroid is a huge part of that series as well. That doesn't make it a good idea to base a Smash character around.
: Dark Bowser, Dry Bowser, or even False Bowser (w/Tanooki Tail) or Bowser Statue can take Bowser's Melee moveset. However, the Melee-type Bowser Echo needs to have the Koopa Klaw instead of the Flying Slam, as the latter fits current Bowser better while the former fits Melee Bowser better.: Yes, I know this is an annoyance for many people who want Ganondorf to keep the moveset, but Black Shadow should receive the old Ganondorf moveset. Black Shadow can retain the dark version of Raptor Boost instead of Ganondorf's Flame Choke, and he would use the high-kick up smash that Ganondorf lost as well as the elbow forward smash that both Falcon and Ganondorf have lost. And hey, maybe this will lead to Ganondorf getting the magic that people want so much!: TP Link should come back with the Smash 4 moveset, with OoT Link being his alt. The boomerang would be the Melee version, but TP Link's would aesthetically be the Gale Boomerang without the wind effect.: Akuma should be Ryu's echo. Sorry Ken, but Akuma is the most iconic of the Ryu clones at this point.: Either Shadow or Metal Sonic. I'd personally prefer Metal Sonic since Shadow being Sonic's echo might create another "Ganondorf's moveset" situation where people would ask why he doesn't have Chaos Spear or other unique stuff.: Jeanne should be Bayonetta's echo. Not much to discuss there.: Naked Snake/Big Boss. I can't really think of any differences, though.
Infinite lies.
Oh yeah? Where was Ken in MvC3? Where was he in MvCI? Where was he in Asura's Wrath? Where was he in Tekken 7?
Now you got me thinking about a Great Cave Offensive style Metroid map and it’s such a great idea. Maybe they’ll do it for Castlevania?
The same place Akuma was: not in MvCI.
Mark my words: Capcom WILL put Akuma in MvCI over Ken.
I get what you mean, but it did make me wonder about some other alts or echoes for Bowser Jr that are more his size, namely the Mario themed Rabbids and possibly Captain Toad/Toadette.
Not that number of games matters, but where was Akuma in SF1? SF2? SF2CE? SF2HF? SSF2? SF3NG? NxC?
You think MvCI still has content coming?
Capcom isn’t putting anybody in Infinite. That game is dead as fried chicken.
Like Roy's moveset with the multiple hits but without the fire effects?
Simple, C4 is C3 butterflies and Missile isn't remote.
No fire effects, and no tipper near the base. It's balanced along the whole blade like lucina! and probably no multihits in the upsmash/up B.
It probably wouldn’t look weird anymore though, as the CSS is apparently organized by character number now. If it’s not Giegue it’s Roy.
Similar? In most SF games it's identical. It's only recently that they've actually bothered to differentiate him from Ryu at that level.
Having Marth's moveset in the game in the game 4th time feels ridiculous. If Chrom doesn't work as an Echo for Ike and the only option that makes sense is to clone Marth again then I'd rather he just stay as Robin's Final Smash. FE has plenty of representation already, Awakening especially.
This is fair. I honestly forgot that Roy used to be a marth clone now that he got unique moves in smash 4.
That whole “Ragnell is heavy” stuff was only brought in Brawl if memory serves to justify PoR Ike’s powerful attacks. You’re trying to stick way too much to that “source” when Sakurai himself has mentioned that he takes liberties with characters. If anything, Chrom would be a faster Ike to make himself stand out from Ike’s slowness. Chrom is known as a “rough” fighter and while Awakening mentions that Chrom was the one that taught Lucina how to fight, that was never truly shown in-game aside from a very short scene. Outside of that, she’s just female Marth which became Sakurai’s perfect excuse for making her a “Marth for novice players”.
I think Ken is really just a bit too similiar to Ryu without brining anything extra to the table.
Isn't that the point of Echo characters though?
Well someone on this board earlier mentioned that Ragnell was indeed meant to be a two handed sword in response to me saying something similar, and they seemed to know a whole lot more about the Tellius games then I do, so I thought that was the case. If Ragnell is apparently just as light as Falchion then fair enough, I haven't played Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn to be able to tell. But I was just going off what I thought based off of Dark Pit and Lucina, and as far as I could tell, they have very minimal changes and are almost 1-to-1 with their original counterparts in terms of speed, weight, and attributes like that. I thought that Chrom being an Ike Echo would be the same situation.
The way I see it, it's more along the lines of taking a character people want to include and the easiest way to do it is to make them a copy of somebody else.
Well I suppose. But Ken is a popular and well known streetfighter character. And since clones are usually made with leftover dev time due to their easy creation I don't think it could be a longshot that Ken could be made a Ryu clone since the connection is right there.
Yeah. Ragnell is a heavy ass sword. In Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn it's weight is 20 while most non-legendary/special swords max out at around 10-12
This is how I feel about most clones. Just because someone could be in Smash doesn’t mean that they should be. Giving clones an official name and everything is nice, but I hope they don’t use it as an excuse to add a bunch of characters that are just slight variations of others.
It’s not really an excuse when you’re talking about one of the most iconic fighting game characters out there.
