Easiest nana lock on Metaknight

[napZzz]

this reminds me of akumas raging demon in ssf4.

an overpowered type attack, but with limited setups. Someone should make a thread and people should work together to find different ways to set it up on every character and keep a list of them. It would make this alot easier to work with

 

[Attila_]

so this works on everyone except luigi? gay.

using it to punish any predicted spotdodge or roll sounds completely viable. just wondering if the player could gradually sdi to the edge of the stage, though.

 

[Player-1]

I don't think it works on squirtle either.

 

[DFEAR]

yea i cant get it to work consistently on squirtle either but it does work on pikachu who is just as big :\

 

[Gnes]

I have an idea:

MK Glide attacks your shield.

Jump out of shield and grounded foot stool him and start the foot stool nanner lock

then move into the ADHD Naner lock

a perfect glide attack cant be punished, but i get your point, and i agree, if u know there gonna mis-space it, might as well...

 

[Player-1]

jeebus, tried to do your variation and it's not easier for me at least.

 

[DFEAR]

this infinite restricts a player from rolling towards u (and if he does...then punish with the infinite), limiting his own options thus creating further/easier punishes later on in the match.

 

[vato_break]

Jebus's infinite, i can do much more easily but, i think it's difficulty depends on the person..i can't do ADHDs at all.

 

[DFEAR]

ive come to a conclusion. a true diddy main can do the airdodge grizzinfinite while non-diddy mains cant

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I main Diddy though. I think it's just the fact that I am so used to the SNL and I am finding it hard to get used to the air dodge.

 

[vato_break]

I do main diddy though

 

[Kaptain Kong]

ive come to a conclusion. a true diddy main can do the airdodge grizzinfinite while non-diddy mains cant xD

a true diddy main can do both versions

 

[Player-1]

ive come to a conclusion. a true good diddy main can do the airdodge grizzinfinite while non-diddy mains cant

I fixed it for you jeebus.

 

[Staco]

I know I don't belong on this board, and I'm new here, but this shouldn't HYPOTHETICALLY change the matchup, since this is just a simpler version of an old technique. Of course it WILL change things, but MUs are determined by the highest level of play. Making the technique easier shouldn't change the MU since people should HYPOTHETICALLY have this perfected anyway.
Is there any difference between this and the original other than it being easier and working on more characters?

Since in the mid 2010 metagame nobody used this technic it wasn´t an aspect of the MU rating of people.
Why do you think matchups change from time to time? (because people develop the MU, find new technics, use this technics in tourney -> change of the metagame)
And this will be a big change of the metagame, if people really start using this technic effectively in tourney.

 

[Gnes]

The problem with this is the nature of the technique is that it will cause a certain higher focus on elements in the matchup, while other things are less focused on. I fail to believe a lock is something that can become fully implemented into a regular playstyle, in other words subconsciously because there must be a conscious effort used to think "hey I'm gonna go for this lock." Basically when the infinite becomes a primary goal, other things will go unpunished, or punished but not to the fullest extent.

It's too early to say if this will change the matchup, especially in a advantageous way right now.

 

[-LzR-]

Well of course the MU discussion shouldn't be touched before this technique gets popular in tourneyplay.
And to above poster: That has nothing to do with the MU, it's just a personal weakness or just being a bad player overall. It has no no impact on the MU.

 

[chimpact]

uh nooo...u must be trolling

and he's in the backroom

 

[Yikarur]

and he's in the backroom

like every second unnotable person that gets in because of contacts

 

[DFEAR]

@gnes. hence why u do not use it as a primary focus of a match but instead as a punish if they roll into you or a read spotdodge etc etc.

we all know we could punish with a good 20-50%+ but this infinite can provide the for sure lead even if we dont kill with it

 

[GimR]

I've discovered some good things. I'll post a video late tonight

 

[Gnes]

@gnes. hence why u do not use it as a primary focus of a match but instead as a punish if they roll into you or a read spotdodge etc etc.

we all know we could punish with a good 20-50%+ but this infinite can provide the for sure lead even if we dont kill with it

True...I'll attempt to do just that hobo this weekend and comeback with my results from the experiment.

 

[GimR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSnNWkCgnQQ

 

[PortCity]

[Post redacted due to the revelation of state secrets.]

 

[Player-1]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[DFEAR]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Kaptain Kong]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[PortCity]

Hahahaha, well I'll shut up, but I doubt everyone else is asleep at the wheel ...so to speak

 

[NiTEZ]

I'm able to do the first part, but I'm having a problem linking the whole thing together. Any tips?

 

[GimR]

I'm able to do the first part, but I'm having a problem linking the whole thing together. Any tips?

I do it with two separate actions so my hand doesn't lock up.


1.d-throw banana and then buffer jump
2. when diddy jumps input R+down, then buffer air dodge immediately.
3. AS soon as Diddy throws the banana down, push your control stick towards your opponent
4. When you land on teh ground turn around and repeat/

 

[FelixTrix]

i'll be sure to use this at tourneyplay. :D

 

[volume]

i just tested its amazingly fun lol how come it doesnt work on like falco and pika? i cant get it on them =o nor fox maybe i am doing it wrong lol but i did it on metaknight zss and ddd edit: forgot to add ddd is much harder and i could only do it like 3 times.

 

[DFEAR]

u can do it to every single character but luigi and squirtle characters such as pika/d3/snake/falco require u to di towards their torso because when the banana hits their feet/legs the banana flies off in a tangent

 

[Player-1]

If I get to close to falco then he moves in the opposite direction that I don't want him to though =/

 

[Prawn]

welp im picking up diddy for mk

 

[mdmfromdaridge]

If you use the z-button instead of R/L for the dodge, is it still an instant throw? Or just a z-catch and then a throw

 

[volume]

u can do it to every single character but luigi and squirtle characters such as pika/d3/snake/falco require u to di towards their torso because when the banana hits their feet/legs the banana flies off in a tangent

oh... well ill test it out when i can but that doesnt seem to help diddies mu with those characters =/

 

[ADHD]

welp im picking up diddy for mk

Stick to ice climbers.

 

[Prawn]

but my ice climbers are booty :[

 

[FelixTrix]

mine aren't. :D

 

[Sails]

I would like to point something useful out about Snake.
Since I've got this down so well against MK, I figured I'd give it a few goes on Snake. Immediately I noticed that you actually throw the banana under Snake's legs if you do it too fast, causing him to trip on the banana as if he walked on it. However, if you wait a frame or two before performing the buffered turnaround dthrow, it'll work. A great visual cue for this is wait for Snake to finish his fish out of water dance and right when you see his head pop up in to the sitting position, throw it. I can now take Snake to places such as 100%250% land with this (Yes, on walk), I just hope it doesn't ruin my in-progress MK mastery.