Official E3 2021 Discussion Thread

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

You people thinking what I'm thinking?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Still a bit miffed no splatoon 3 tho. That’s my only complaint

IM STILL POGGING ABOUT PXZ2 AND SMASH OFFICIALLY BEING CONNECTED NOW WITH KAZUYA

IT’S CANON IT’S CANON IT’S #}*+ING CANON!!!!

But, it was already connected before.

Now it's just, well more connected.

 

[Guynamednelson]

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

You people thinking what I'm thinking?

Kazuya isn't as mainstream as Heihachi or Jin.
Any other Undertale character isn't as mainstream as Sans

oh no

 

[pupNapoleon]

This, my friends, make the theory of "only characters from companies already present in the game in FP2" even stronger.

About as sensible as my new theory-
The characters can only start with the letters K, M, P, or S.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Cinderace ain’t a spirit, brother.

Okay, and?

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

We already knew DLC Mii costumes don’t disconfirm a franchise as DLC .

 

[TheCJBrine]

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

You people thinking what I'm thinking?

Next Smash trailer: King K. Rool wakes up on a bed of golden flowers.

 

[Noipoi]

Okay, and?

You’re awfully hostile, amigo.

I’m just sayin, we’ll have to see about it

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I swear to God I get pushed back saying "hes an adult" every time I say Sakurai need to take a break. I was an adult while I was in college also and I had to be told to stay home after I stressed myself sick so I believe that sometimes it's reasonable to tell someone they need to take a break and I hope Sakurai takes one soon

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait

lemme go back to Figure Theory real quick

does Kazuya have figurines of himself???

 

[True Blue Warrior]

You’re awfully hostile, amigo.

Im just sayin, we’ll have to see about it

I didn’t meant to sound confrontational though.

 

[Technomage]

Next Smash trailer: King K. Rool wakes up on a bed of golden flowers.

A continuation of Banjo-Kazooie's trailer, right? Sounds awesome!

 

[Guynamednelson]

Even T rated games need to have their names censored.

In the UK, at least.

 

[Noipoi]

I didn’t meant to sound confrontational though.

Well, my mistake. Perhaps I perceived it wrong.

 

[PeridotGX]

Kazuya isn't as mainstream as Heihachi or Jin.
Any other Undertale character isn't as mainstream as Sans

oh no

small correction

 

[pupNapoleon]

It's not really about that. I did not say angry, just not happy. On that, people do not want to wait between large gaps for more characters. Also:



So, unless they change how DLC is released and say something about DLC not ending before the third pass is announced in any way, I am not sure if this will be that good of an idea for fans.

Plus, let's face it, Sakurai deserves a vacation.

I would be fine waiting half a year between character releases. For me, and I don't think I am alone, the excitement is partially from the knowledge that more are coming.

Also... Sakurai can take a vacation. As I said earlier, many people are forced to work just to survive... I think it is crazy to say a product should stop so a man can take a break. Not only is there any reason both couldn't happen, but it's also just a human need to be able to relax- Sakurai is no different than anyone else. If only the people who claim this for Sakurai were willing to be half as politically active to ensure those rights for the millions of people who don't have that option.

 

[Technomage]

Wait

lemme go back to Figure Theory real quick

does Kazuya have figurines of himself???

Technically, yes:

 

[Guynamednelson]

I swear to God I get pushed back saying "hes an adult" every time I say Sakurai need to take a break. I was an adult while I was in college also and I had to be told to stay home after I stressed myself sick so I believe that sometimes it's reasonable to tell someone they need to take a break and I hope Sakurai takes one soon

Whether or not he needs to take a break doesn't mean he definitely will. Some people are just natually workaholics, regardless of whether or not they live in a nation where that's mandatory.

 

[Cosmic77]

Keep in mind that making fun video games is literally Sakurai's job. I know he's been doing Smash for a long time now, but that's kinda how things work for any other person who has a job. Most people don't have the option to just randomly take a couple months off work because they've been working on a project for several years.

I'm sure Sakurai will get a small break once Ultimate finally ends, but it probably won't be long before he picks up his next project. He's got a whole team of people who need work.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Question: Did anyone else had the audio out of sync when watching the Direct?

 

[MarioRaccoon]

I think the last character can be literally anything. Maybe they broke the pattern of “smash character reveal cycle ends with low note”.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Technically, yes:

They’re gonna show that off in the direct for sure

 

[Paraster]

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

You people thinking what I'm thinking?

At this point, Frisk/Papyrus by far the most likely of my top 3.

 

[SharkLord]

Technically, yes:

He has fire on his pants

Fire Theory still lives

 

[Shroob]

Even T rated games need to have their names censored.

In the UK, at least.

Makes sense tbh. It's above Smash's E+10 rating.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Keep in mind that making fun video games is literally Sakurai's job. I know he's been doing Smash for a long time now, but that's kinda how things work for any other person who has a job. Most people don't have the option to just randomly take a couple months off work because they've been working on a project for several years.

I'm sure Sakurai will get a small break once Ultimate finally ends, but it probably won't be long before he picks up his next project. He's got a whole team of people who need work.

Another thing to note is that the Switch is in its fourth year and Nintendo consoles typically have a 5-7 year lifespan before their successor is released. For all we know, the only reason why there isn’t a third pass despite the DLC success is that Sakurai is going to work on the next game for the next system after taking a small break.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Well, Ken was a given for Ult, and Chrom too. Ryu and Lucina returned from 4, and then Fiora and Zero are NPCs in Smash

guess I needed one more to make it 100% official

and that was Kazuya

You forgot that Valkyrie is in one of Pacmans taunts.
And Akira being an assist.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Keep in mind that making fun video games is literally Sakurai's job. I know he's been doing Smash for a long time now, but that's kinda how things work for any other person who has a job. Most people don't have the option to just randomly take a couple months off work because they've been working on a project for several years.

I'm sure Sakurai will get a small break once Ultimate finally ends, but it probably won't be long before he picks up his next project. He's got a whole team of people who need work.

Teaching kids is also a teachers job, yet they have to work while sick or hurt as well. Neither sakurai or teachers working themselves hurt is worth it. But i guess "Its their jooob"

 

[CannonStreak]

I would be fine waiting half a year between character releases. For me, and I don't think I am alone, the excitement is partially from the knowledge that more are coming.

Also... Sakurai can take a vacation. As I said earlier, many people are forced to work just to survive... I think it is crazy to say a product should stop so a man can take a break. Not only is there any reason both couldn't happen, but it's also just a human need to be able to relax- Sakurai is no different than anyone else. If only the people who claim this for Sakurai were willing to be half as politically active to ensure those rights for the millions of people who don't have that option.

Heh heh! You TRULY aren't alone there. I am also fine with waiting. Most of my life is about waiting.

I am just trying to speak for some others, that is all.

I do think he does deserve a vacation, Sakurai, that is, but I have to be more honest. What you said is not invalid either. I personally would like to see hints leading to a third pass, but it is quite well possible for Nintendo to make him do another, third pass.

In fact, I'd be foolish and in denial if I were to fully outright deny that.

For now though, we are presumably close to the end of Ultimate's DLC thing. I would not be upset if there was a third pass. I'd welcome it, in fact. I am just worried for fans who don't, if you know what I mean.

 

[Idon]

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That’s a guy?

…


Well it is pride month

Demonic power goes beyond gender

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You forgot that Valkyrie is in one of Pacmans taunts.
And Akira being an assist.

Oh yeah I forgot

but like i said

C A N O N

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think the last character can be literally anything. Maybe they broke the pattern of “smash character reveal cycle ends with low note”.

Define “low note”.

 

[PeridotGX]

I've always found the "second chance" theory a bit silly because it implies they haven't been floating ideas on and off for the past ~five years. Obviously there'll be a few fighters here and there that were thought of before but, for one reason or another, canned for the time being. There certainly wouldn't be some rule regarding it - some quota to fill with "second chances."

If this is gonna be Sakurai's last smash game, I can kinda see him wanting to tie up a few last ends before he quits.

I agree that Second Chances theory isn't much use for speculation, though. Let's say it's completely true - how many characters has Sakurai considered and never publicly mentioned? We're looking at a small handful of interviews and articles, and assuming that's the whole picture. It's possible Sakurai might have really wanted to add Little Samson but never told anyone, and finally got the chance to do it in Ultimate. It was a second chance - but it was irrelevant to our speculation.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Define “low note”.

Any first party character.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Say, would Kazuya fit the "second chance" idea that's been thrown around for FP2? I guess there was already Tekken content in the game which is now expanded, but otherwise I dunno, more likely Tekken got in because... it's Tekken.

He absolutely fits this idea.
As would, say, Dixie Kong, or Balloon Fighter.
Probably many more...

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Demonic power goes beyond gender

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****ing hell, he looks so good

 

[Z25]

So now that having a DLC Mii costume no longer counts out a franchise completely....

You people thinking what I'm thinking?

Oh yeah whose ready for a bad time?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Any first party character.

Except for the dact tgere are still tons of first-party characters Smash fans would want in this game and be hyped over. There is a phenomenal difference between a character like Skull Kid, who would be heavily well-received, and someone like Ayumi, who has little fan demand.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

So I was feeling pretty sad at the time, but holy crap that trailer was ****ing incredible:

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In this picture, Kirby's like... 12 inches or what? His canon size is said to be 8 inches but many Kirby fans refuse to accept it, most of them believe that his Smash size is the more accurate one... though this trailer is showing a much smaller Kirby after all... not 8 inches but still.
I believe Kirby actually IS 8 inches tall, but he's never represented as such because when he crossovers with other series the proportions are never accurate.
People used to take Samus' appearance in Kirby's Dream Land 3 as a proof, but that really tells nothing, just look at the early Final Fantasy games and how characters change from chibi to more realistic proportions depending on if they are in the world map or in a fight.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Anyway

we got a Heihachi Mii before Kazuya

we ALSO got a Squid Sisters Mii earlier in the pass

VEEMO IS INEVITABLE

…or Off the Hook, which I’d be fine with, if Figure Theory is real

 

[pupNapoleon]

It doesn't matter if you think he deserves a vacation, he lives in a nation where his workaholism is considered perfectly normal. I know I already mentioned Japanese work culture to you, but it's a HUGE problem in Japan, and Sakurai is just one example. There's probably plenty of other guys associated with Nintendo working themselves to death too, and they're not taking breaks either.

Yeah, working too hard is a problem in Japan, to the point that the term has it's own word (see below), it is the country with the highest suicide rates, and communities will hold vigils not for one, but for the many fallen victims to this state.

Karoshi

Karoshi (過労死, Karōshi), which can be translated literally as "overwork death", is a Japanese term relating to occupational sudden mortality. The most common medical causes of karoshi deaths are heart attacks or strokes due to stress and a starvation diet.

Maybe, but at this point, with the reasons I gave, I don't think money will be enough. They'll likely have to make hints of some kind that a third pass is coming before it is announced. Otherwise, a surprise announcement would ruin the whole "end of Ultimate's DLC" and "make it all for nothing" if you know what I mean, which isn't always that good for reasons.

I don't see how adding more characters is a bad idea. The explanation would be that, after those statements were said, they added more. It is in no way different than what companies normally do- like stating that there is no new Switch upgrade, before we finally get one.
"All for nothing," what is the all? The statement that there is no more? What is lost in this scenario?