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Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 speculation: Any more to come?

Oracle_Summon

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That's what I'm thinking. A great collaborative trailer revealing multiple veterans and newcomers in one go.
As much as I like that idea, I believe that Sakurai will reveal only half of the newcomers during the first trailer and some later as time goes on, or, he shows two trailers:

1. For the good guys

2. For the bad guys.
 

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There is literally nothing suggesting ROB would return to this game.
Unique Moveset
Only character from his series
Importance to Nintendo
Important role in Brawl


The pattern you made of consul characters is also just ridiculous, as game & watch's stage is shown to represent the game & watch games. Ice climbers stage was made to represent the Ice climbers game. Pit's stage was made to represent the Kid Icarus games. None of these looked anything like the games they were from. This is because an Ice climbers stage, Pit stage, and game and watch were characters in the game.".
And R.O.B.s stage was made to represent the NES games., You know, the system he pretty much saved.

These patterns you keep finding are crazy, as there have been only three games, and they can really do whatever the heck they want, they don't have to stick to this retro character and classic character theme, you are just thinking way too much into who they put into games and categorizing them.
That is how it works.

Ice Climbers have nothing to with if R.O.B. is back or not and neither does Takamaru. R.O.B. is in the same boat as Mr Game & Watch and has very little to do with other retro characters.

Similar to how people thought since the Pokemon series always got a new character for all the two games they did it who represented the latest movie or generation they MUST be doing it again. Now we have lucario back.
We also have Greninja, Pattern isn't the best word but we have had a pokemon from the most recent generation from each game, but that has nothing to do with Lucario.

They thought since there were two fire emblem characters in each game, keeping marth and replacing the second fighter with the newest protagonist of the fire emblem series, but now we have Ike returning as well.
I saw more people say we would get 3 fire Emblem character then there were saying we would have two. I thought Ike would be cut so that very few series would go down in the number of reps, not because Roy was cut, he was planned to be in Brawl anyway. Now that he is back, I expecting very few cuts. You have to remember Namco is helping with the game and they have experience with this sort of stuff.

Or to put it differently, I expected a series that is getting a newcomer to have a veteran given lower priority so that they can work on returning characters who are not getting characters. Like how Mewtwo and Roy was given lower priorty

My point: these patterns literally prove absolutely nothing. For all we now maybe Nintendo has decided that they want to only show new characters, and remove all these "consul characters" or "retro characters"
And maybe they won't? This means absolutly nothing.

We do, however, now that Sakurai mentioned the Ice climbers in an interview, said that he is cutting characters, and that Nintendo needs to advertise its new series and games that will put them back into the spotlight. Taking these actual facts into account, ROB is a character that does not fit Nintendo's criteria. As far as i am concerned these are all things suggesting he is getting cut: case and point 3 > nothing.
WHAT?

These characters are not exclusive to each other!! Sakurai has always said he likes to give older series some spotlight.

Ice Climbers back don't mean R.O.B. will be cut. By your logic, we had 3 NES characters in Brawl and my roster only has 3 NES characters on it. Nintendo advertising newer games doesn't mean they have to cut older characters. You talk as if its one or the other when they are NOT.

What Sakurai said is that he wants to try and bring back as many characters as he can but says he might not be able too. This INCREASE R.O.B.s chances, not hurts it. Because he said this, we should expect as few cuts as possible, not as many as possible.

Your pretty much saying that either, Wolf or Lucas are less likely to be cut then R.O.B. which doesn't make any sense or that the only unconfirmed Brawl newcomers who are coming back are Wario and Meta Knight? How many freaking cuts are you expecting?

That first point has no effect on R.O.B.
The interview said he wants to bring back as many characters as he can but might not be able to, that HELPS R.O.B., not hurts him.
That second point also doesn't have anything to do with R.O.B., new games and new series will still get representation and R.O.B. isn't going to stop that.

By your logic exactly, Mr Game & Watch is cut in Brawl.

Ice Climbers are back, we also have Pit
Newer games neet to get advertising
Characters are getting cut.

Then we get Mr Game & Watch back along with another old character

Do you see the flaw in your logic?

Ignoring the Balloon Figth stage which has alot of similarities to R.O.B.s stage in Brawl, R.O.B. is cut 0 < 1 return.
 

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I'm not sure if this is the right place to say this (looks to me like it is....) But I'm betting all the money I have right now, that if Mewtwo is revealed at JUUUUST the right time (e.g. after the Invitational tournament ends), this site will crash.
More like the site will crash during the Smash trailer(s) period.
 

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More like the site will crash during the Smash trailer(s) period.
Probably because people will be busy posting stuff like "Will ____ be starter?", "_____ x (already revealed character)",or "______ IS BANNED PLZ NERF" :p
 

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My guess for the E3 reveal is at least one stage, at least two veterans, a new game mode if one is available, and the most hypable newcomer left.

If Shulk or a third-party charcter are not shown at E3 in favor of someone in the vein of, say, Palutena, then I think there will be no new third-party entrants.

If Mewtwo is back (Which I doubt), he will be revealed then too.
 
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My guess for the E3 reveal is at least one stage, at least two veterans, a new game mode if one is available, and the most hypable newcomer left.

If Shulk or a third-party charcter are not shown at E3 in favor of someone in the vein of, say, Palutena, then I think there will be no new third-party entrants.

If Mewtwo is back (Which I doubt), he will be revealed then too.
Those are probably not the type of questions that Sakurai is going to answer.

I bet, that if someone was to ask him something like that, he would avoid the question or give an empty answer.
 
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How about stages guys? What would you like to see?

Past Stages:
Fourside (for the music) or Saffron City (too similar of a build)
Sector Z
Dreamland
Yoshi's Island (Melee)

New Stages:
Fire Emblem Path of Radiance and/or Radiant Dawn stage
The Stage from Paper Mario
Pokefloats 2
Cerulean Cave (Mewtwo's home stage)
Pokemon Stadium 3


Those are a few that come to mind.

AT wise i'd like to see
Chrom (for leak purposes)
Chorus Men (for leak purposes)
Elite Beat Agents
Fawful

Pokemon
Nidoking/Nidoqueen
Butterfree
Stantler or Toaros (spelled that wrong) Stampede (kind of like Beedrill on N64)
Pidgeotto (ride able like the Gogoat)
 

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Yeah I called it "The Stage" in my post, but for sure. While I've never beaten TTYD, I know enough that the hazard of items being thrown in the game would be great to have in smash.
Honestly, you should beat TTYD as soon as possible. It's a masterpiece and the last chapter has amazing things going on it's like a lot of the best stuff was put in the end so trust me you should beat it.
 

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Honestly, you should beat TTYD as soon as possible. It's a masterpiece and the last chapter has amazing things going on it's like a lot of the best stuff was put in the end so trust me you should beat it.
Hahaha the original is one of my favorite games (Top 5 maybe?) And yeah, I have a few games listed ahead of it (I'm playing Hyperdimension Neptunia now, and Pokepark 2 and Elite Beat Agents are next) Maybe I will later this year.

I hope Paper Mario gets a new game though, with actual partners too. I own Stickerstar but I plan on playing it after TTYD, and I no it doesn't have partners. And SPM wasn't even a true Paper Mario game (I've seen my brother play it)
 

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Yeah I called it "The Stage" in my post, but for sure. While I've never beaten TTYD, I know enough that the hazard of items being thrown in the game would be great to have in smash.
TTYD is the best in the series. Finish it through.
 

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Hahaha the original is one of my favorite games (Top 5 maybe?) And yeah, I have a few games listed ahead of it (I'm playing Hyperdimension Neptunia now, and Pokepark 2 and Elite Beat Agents are next) Maybe I will later this year.

I hope Paper Mario gets a new game though, with actual partners too. I own Stickerstar but I plan on playing it after TTYD, and I no it doesn't have partners. And SPM wasn't even a true Paper Mario game (I've seen my brother play it)
PM64 and especially TTYD: Awesome some prefer PM64 and other TTYD but I see more TTYD (as someone who got as far to gltch hunt for 6 months and still love this game, it's amazing).

SPM: Not a bad game but I'll agree that it's somewhat weak compared to the other 2.

Stcik star: I strongly recommend to NOT play it. It removed all the things that made the previous games including SPM great.

That is generally what I hear but please you HAVE to finish TTYD it's my favourite RPG (it beat chrono trigger and earthbound but earthbound goes second after TTYD).

As for a true Paper Mario game, you're not the only one... not the only one...
 

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PM64 and especially TTYD: Awesome some prefer PM64 and other TTYD but I see more TTYD (as someone who got as far to gltch hunt for 6 months and still love this game, it's amazing).

SPM: Not a bad game but I'll agree that it's somewhat weak compared to the other 2.

Stcik star: I strongly recommend to NOT play it. It removed all the things that made the previous games including SPM great.

That is generally what I hear but please you HAVE to finish TTYD it's my favourite RPG (it beat chrono trigger and earthbound but earthbound goes second after TTYD).

As for a true Paper Mario game, you're not the only one... not the only one...
Completely agreed.

For me it's always been:
Paper Mario N64: Basic story (Bowser takes Peach bluh bluh), Awesome Gameplay
Paper Mario TTYD: Epic Story, Epic Gameplay
SPM: Epic Story, Ehh Gameplay
Paper Mario SS: Only thing I really liked was music and even that wasnt too great compared to the others.
 

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Those are spin offs, I mean the REAL paper Mario 3
Nah, they're still pretty much Paper Mario games. As an example, just because Super Mario Galaxy strays a bit from the normal Mario games doesn't make it any less of a Mario game. Games like Mario Kart are spin-offs.
 

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Nah, they're still pretty much Paper Mario games. As an example, just because Super Mario Galaxy strays a bit from the normal Mario games doesn't make it any less of a Mario game. Games like Mario Kart are spin-offs.
Not really, if you were a big fan of paper Mario you would understand. Maybe I should call them side games rather than spinoffs.
 
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Not really, if you were a big fan of paper Mario you would understand.
I am a big fan of Paper Mario. But Sticker Star, despite its flaws in the system, still has turn-based battling, so it's an RPG, really. But this isn't the place to argue about games.
 

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Here's some stuff I would like to see revealed for E3:

3DS launch date
Wii U launch month

3 veterans: Wario, Meta Knight, Ice Climbers

3 Newcomers: Preferribly Ridley, Shulk, and Palutena (realistically Palutena, Mii, and Pac-man)

3 new stages for Wii U: Bowser's Castle, Guar Plains, and Sunset Shore (DK)
3 new stages for 3DS: Star Fox 3D 64 stage (Katina), WarioWare stage, and Donkey Kong stage.

Veteran Wii U stages: Castle Seige, Bridge of Eldin, Fountain of Dreams
3DS: Onett, Wario Ware, and Saffron City.

Assist Trophies: Sonic Assist Trophy, Xenoblade assist trophy, Donkey Kong assist trophy

Pokemon: Gratina, Inkay, and the Y mascot.

Some more info on the connectivity between the Wii U and 3DS.

Unique 3DS and Wii U features.
 

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I am a big fan of Paper Mario. But Sticker Star, despite its flaws in the system, still has turn-based battling, so it's an RPG, really. But this isn't the place to argue about games.
Unless it's got badges, puzzles, partners, items, paper mechanics, level ups, funny dialogue, great gameplay and tons of charm it isn't a paper Mario main game.
 

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It's kind of funny that I've been seeing speculation about a villain trailer around here lately, since I've been trying to concoct a good one for a while, and the latest leaks seem to line up perfectly with what I had in mind. So, with that said... here it is!

Link, Pit and Samus are hanging out, reminiscing about the good ol' days in 8-bit memories, when suddenly, the skies darken - Link's eyes narrow, cut to a close up on someone else's sword slowly being drawn from its sheath and pointed at him, zoom out to reveal the King of Darkness, Ganondorf! He leaps forward to attack, cut to game play footage showing off(hopefully) a new moveset, then back to him and Link locking swords as Samus and Pit watch on. The ground starts breaking up around them and Pit leaps up into the air to fly in on them from the side, but is cut short by a shadowy figure shooting out from one of the cracks in the earth. It slowly turns around, shedding its shadowy cloak to reveal the Lord of the Underworld himself, Hades! Cut to game play footage of Hades, yadda yadda yadda. Return to the trailer, Pit and Link are tied up fighting Ganondorf and Hades while Samus speeds along the crumbling landscape before stopping to charge up an energy shot. Then we hear a loud reptilian shriek/roar, followed by the reflection of something flying by in Samus's visor. She whips her head around and starts firing into the sky, where we cut to everybody's favorite giant purple space dragon, Ridley, dodging the energy blasts as he speeds towards the ground in a dive-bomb attack. Cut to game play footage of Ridley.

Now, this would all have me on the edge of my seat on its own, but here's the perfect twist ending that would send me leaping for joy:

Cut back to the battle, all 3 heroes are struggling against their respective villains, and we get a group shot of the villains being their bad selves. Something paramount, such as Ganondorf getting the smash ball, happens, and the Warlock approaches our heroes with a wicked grin on his face, when suddenly, we hear the sound of footsteps quickly running towards the battle... the flash of a blade, Ganondorf is knocked back, the smash ball loosed from him, and in between him and our heroes, blade still outstretched behind him from his attack... The Famicon Four reunited, Takamaru joins the battle! Bam, Takamaru game play footage, then finish the trailer with a group shot of Link, Pit, Samus and Takamaru charging into battle together!

Oh man, I would pee my pants.

Unfortunately, I don't really put much stock into the Hades leak, so I kind of doubt his inclusion. I was trying to figure out a way to throw Palutena in there instead, but it just doesn't work as well D: Also, the villain I really want is K. Rool, but he doesn't really fit in with this group, either, so a different villains trailer might need to be constructed around him :p
 
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Unless it's got badges, puzzles, partners, items, paper mechanics, level ups, funny dialogue, great gameplay and tons of charm it isn't a paper Mario main game.
As far as I am concerned, Paper Mario is defined entirely by it being paper. And that was probably the intent as well.

Both of the non-RPGs had most of those things you mention, but implemented in a different way. They had paper mechanics, level ups (SS had heart upgrades), puzzles, and items (SS turned them into stickers). SPM didn't have partners in the traditional sense, but you had alternate characters and you had the Pixls or whatever. SS only had Kersti, but originally had real partners, seemingly. Badges are potentially the only thing they didn't actually have. The rest (funny dialogue, great gameplay & tons of charm) are entirely subjective and not for you to decide that a game is a spin-off simply because you don't think it has those things, since it isn't a fact.

They're Paper Mario games. What you're looking for is a true successor to The Thousand Year Door, but that doesn't make the others spin-offs. It's the same thing as how people want a true successor to SM64/Sunshine. I mean, Zelda 2's not a spin-off of Zelda.

How about stages guys? What would you like to see?
N64 stages. And N64 skins, for that matter. Wanted them since Brawl. I want to play N64 models on glorious HD stages.

From Melee/Brawl, I want Brinstar Depths, Fourside, Great Bay, Fountain of Dreams, Mushroom Kingdom II, Temple, Frigate Orpheon, Lylat Cruise, PictoChat... and I wanted Spear Pillar, but that's gone.

New stages:
- A new version of Luigi's Mansion. Preferably one that maybe follows in Mushroom Kingdom U's footsteps. I want a stage that can be the different locations from Dark Moon.
- A DK stage that doesn't suck. Brawl's were awful. Something DKCTF related on Wii U & DKCR(3D) on 3DS. No scrolling upwards, no huge-ass 75m crap.
- A Metroid Prime 2 stage that changes between Light/Dark Aether where you need to fight in light areas in the Dark version or you get damaged.
- For 3DS, a Metroid Fusion stage with Nightmare in it (gravity changes) or a classic Metroid 2 area with Metroid evolutions. Maybe the Queen as a boss?
- A Kirby's Epic Yarn stage
- Paper Mario stage
- Pushmo stage with blocks moving in and out (or falling?)
- Sin & Punishment stage. More or less a stage like Lylat Cruise, but the background action would be S&P related. if anyone has a better idea: that
- Golden Sun stage. Maybe the Venus Lighthouse. Dunno.
- Rhythm Heaven stage, replacing the concept behind WarioWare
- A Wario LAND stage

I also want Djinn(i) as an item that works like an Assist Trophy where you can summon different ones.

Elite Beat Agents, Kyle Hyde, Raymond Bryce and something Rhythm Heaven related -have- to be in the game in some form.
 

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I'd love to see Gangplank Galleon with K.K. Rool at E3. We haven't seen a new DK stage yet and a pirate themed one to go along with K. Rool would be amazing.
 

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Paper Mario's director - the soul source of the universes charm and wit- now works on the business end of Nintendo after being promoted. He hasn't worked on a game since Brain Age, so if a game were to come it would likely have to come from his request.
 

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I would have loved a Paper Mario rep... Count Bleck would have been my pick.

If Starfox gets four, than Fire Emblem better get four, since they should've had 3 in brawl.
Fire Emblem: 13 games with under 5 million total sales between them.
Star Fox: 6 games with 11.5 million total sales between them.

Incomparable.
 
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Here's some stuff I would like to see revealed for E3:

3DS launch date
Wii U launch month

3 veterans: Wario, Meta Knight, Ice Climbers

3 Newcomers: Preferribly Ridley, Shulk, and Palutena (realistically Palutena, Mii, and Pac-man)

3 new stages for Wii U: Bowser's Castle, Guar Plains, and Sunset Shore (DK)
3 new stages for 3DS: Star Fox 3D 64 stage (Katina), WarioWare stage, and Donkey Kong stage.

Veteran Wii U stages: Castle Seige, Bridge of Eldin, Fountain of Dreams
3DS: Onett, Wario Ware, and Saffron City.

Assist Trophies: Sonic Assist Trophy, Xenoblade assist trophy, Donkey Kong assist trophy

Pokemon: Gratina, Inkay, and the Y mascot.

Some more info on the connectivity between the Wii U and 3DS.

Unique 3DS and Wii U features.
Would be super hype. Guar plains is not my preferred Xenoblade stage and I would want one of the Mother kids to come back, but everything else is pretty much my wish list.

I'm just glad that we will at least know about Ridley one way or another. Hopefully.
 
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All Paper Mario games are good. Different doesn't mean bad. Thats the curse of Nintendo. They make a game different in some way and everyone hates it because they want more of the same (Paper Mario Sticker Star, Other M. Two games I love btw). They make a sequel to a game thats similar to the last one and everyone hates it and wants it to be different.(NSMB and to a lesser extent 3d Marios) I'd rather a game/sequel be original than the same thing we always get.

I hope we get something fresh and original like Other M announced at E3 :troll:
 
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All Paper Mario games are good. Different doesn't mean bad. Thats the curse of Nintendo. They make a game different in some way and everyone hates it because they want more of the same (Paper Mario Sticker Star, Other M. Two games I love btw). They make a sequel to a game thats similar to the last one and everyone hates it and wants it to be different.(NSMB and to a lesser extent 3d Marios) I'd rather a game/sequel be original than the same thing we always get.

I hope we get something fresh and original like Other M announced at E3 :troll:
Zelda really suffers from this. Wind Waker and Majora's Mask were both hated when they first released. Now everyone loves them because they're over the fact that they're different.

Also, I loved Sticker Star, thought it was better than the Wii one, but not as good as TTYD.
 

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Zelda really suffers from this. Wind Waker and Majora's Mask were both hated when they first released. Now everyone loves them because they're over the fact that they're different.

Also, I loved Sticker Star, thought it was better than the Wii one, but not as good as TTYD.
I have a feeling we are going to see some more Zelda hate once this new one is revealed. I mean, before windwaker was revealed there was a demo video (I think) where everyone saw a gritty looking Zelda and thats what they were expecting. Then they got windwaker and they were upset. There was a demo for a 3d Zelda like 2 years ago featuring a more realistic style. I know they just rereleased windwaker so the chances of getting a sequel of that are unlikely but I think this next game could change visual style and gameplay in a different way. This is more of what I want than what I think will happen but maybe we will get a new Zelda thats a 2d side scroller with animated visuals like Wario land Shake it. I think that would be cool.
 

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I have a feeling we are going to see some more Zelda hate once this new one is revealed. I mean, before windwaker was revealed there was a demo video (I think) where everyone saw a gritty looking Zelda and thats what they were expecting. Then they got windwaker and they were upset. There was a demo for a 3d Zelda like 2 years ago featuring a more realistic style. I know they just rereleased windwaker so the chances of getting a sequel of that are unlikely but I think this next game could change visual style and gameplay in a different way. This is more of what I want than what I think will happen but maybe we will get a new Zelda thats a 2d side scroller with animated visuals like Wario land Shake it. I think that would be cool.
I'm hoping for something different. I loved MM and WW way more because they weren't at all similar to OOT. I know that Skyward Sword was disliked too, I have a feeling that in the future that one will be loved.

I can't wait to see what direction they take the Wii U one in.
 
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