Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 Rumor/Leak Discussion Thread

[Neo Zero]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/245069064

More news from 4chan. Havent went through it yet though.

 

[Silvera]

[collapse=could be fake]

 

[GamerGuy09]

By the way, would it make sense if these pictures were taken off a Gamepad? It does tend to mute/fade the colors, which seems to be the case here.

I thought we went over this? The picture is to wide for it to be on the gamepad.

 

[Shroob]

That Ridley is terrifying.... in both design and holy crap it's ugly.

 

[aldelaro5]

euh... check ip?

(no seriously what does it tell me that he isn't the original leaker?)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why, you shouldn't have! I'm arrogant enough as it is without seeing my face thirty times on a CSS!

By the way, what do you think O' leak debunker?

 

[Neo Zero]

That Ridley is terrifying.... in both design and holy crap it's ugly.

I suddenly went from thinking it's fake to "PLEASE BE FAKE"

It looks like Sakurai ran 10 steam rollers over him just to make him small enough.

 

[ToddCam]

Let's Recap AGAIN!!:

Pics 1 and 2:

These 2 "photos" are the things that started this whole conundrum! It showed us a slew of 50 character slots with most of them locked! Some announced veterans and newcomers said to be in this roster and are locked. This could be because that they aren't "Ready". Marth is the character supposedly selected because he is on the bottom character viewer, and a Hockey Puck thing is over him. The border of his portrait is red because of that. You can also see a "Colors" tab in the top right, the OP stated that this allowed you to create your own custom colors.

Pic 3:

Pic three was shown a few dozen minutes after the first 2. This was shown a slanted angle which also revealed Mega Man and Little Mac, who were previously locked the the first 2 pictures. The reason the OP stated was that there were 2 versions, a Best Buy version and a Invitational version. However you could slightly see a blue square and the letter Y with a bit of purple. The icon under it shown that it was selected by player 2 and was from the Metroid series. This could be none other than Ridley. However the name plate of Ridley was 1 pixel higher than the other name plates. This seems to indicate it to be a fake leak. It was thought to be made when the poster pasted the Ridley slot over the Locked slot.

Pic 4:

Another Picture. This picture was a more zoomed in version of Mega Man and Little Mac. However you could see a bit of another slot that is in the bottom right corner. It is said to be the Random Button and that there is a piece of red which signals to be a red question mark. Under the name plate you can see something that is either a P or an R, however it is mostly R for Random. You can tell another inconsistency is that in Little Mac's name, the C is a different font to everyone else's.

Pic 5:

Pic 5 was weird angle that was zoomed in. It clearly showed Pac-Man in the bottom right. However it used known art. Another thing is that Ridley was way closer than he previously was. This could have easily been made with Pic 4 and rotated a bit. His name plate also used a thinner font, which proves it to be a copy-cat fake.

Pic 6:

The Final Pic! It shows a more clearer version of the left side which shows Mario, Link, and Pikachu. This was said to be from the original poster. However he also adds that Ridley is unlocked after beating the Tournament mode, this more than proves this is the same guy who made pics 3 and 4. He said he will now delete these pictures off of his Phone.

Just to clarify: the colors claim. was that made by the OP, or by a later leak? Because it seems that the burden of proof for 6's poster being the OP has not been met.

 

[Silvera]

I suddenly went from thinking it's fake to "PLEASE BE FAKE"

It looks like Sakurai ran 10 steam rollers over him just to make him small enough.

Has to be fake. It can't be from the same guy.

 

[Shroob]

I suddenly went from thinking it's fake to "PLEASE BE FAKE"

It looks like Sakurai ran 10 steam rollers over him just to make him small enough.

He looks like some sort of....Pterodactyl fetus.

 

[BKupa666]

We're not even guaranteed DLC, so let's leave DLC out of the debate for right now.

I'm still going to say we're not getting a 3rd DK character, much to your chagrin most likely, but that is my opinion. We're already pushing 12 newcomers with the Sal leak, and 13 with Ridley would be more than expected I feel. I've read the Dixie and K.Rool support thread, and I honestly feel that neither character will make it despite the 'evidence' provided.

I'd say Mewtwo and K.Rool have equal shots. Neither are guaranteed with this roster, and for the most part, this entire thing is mostly speculation.

Wolf and Lucas are just the current day T.Link, Lucario and Ike. When they're shown people are going to harp on how they were 'obvious'.

That's your prerogative. However, rather than allocating spaces based on what "I feel" is going to happen (in which case I would have started with K. Rool and Mewtwo), I assembled bits and pieces of the roster based on placements that are either obvious or make sense to me. This is how I ended up with that final roster.

Also, now, the hunt for a preexisting image of that Ridley begins.

 

[Deleted member]

>Seems legit

 

[GamerGuy09]

Man that Ridley is ugly.

However the angle is new so it may be made by the original poster.

 

[MagnesD3]

The funny thing is, we're all assuming that the Gematsu Leak is right. Sure, it lines up, but.. what if the Gematsu Leak is wrong? Imagine that tonight's PotD confirms a Chorus Men Assist Trophy. All of those locked character slots are completely up in the air. JUST IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES.

I pray for this.

 

[Luigi#1]

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/245069064

More news from 4chan. Havent went through it yet though.

OW GOD MY EYES THAT RIDLEY/GODZILLA MORPH!

 

[Artiferox]

Wrote a thread in Wii U general discussion about some detective work I did about that character select screen leak. Somebody suggested I repost my findings in this thread.

The original thread is here: http://smashboards.com/threads/definitive-proof-that-the-character-select-leak-is-fake.356301/

Copy paste of that thread below:

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I've been looking at the screenshots and doing a bit of research based on what I know about graphic design and photography. Here are my findings.

The most telling image is this one:

If we look at the, we can see some pixelation. Somebody who's decent at creating hoaxes knows that some screen aliasing, or "moire" as it's sometimes called, makes for a convincing image, as does pixelation when up close.

The nice thing about anti-aliasing on raster images is that it's easy to count to columns of pixels to deduce facts about the image. In this case, I found that the circle portion of the metroid icon is 17px in diameter, and the circle surrounding the franchise icon is 34-35px (give or take)

One thing I know about producing graphics for video games is that most graphics are raster (made of pixels). When you design for a specific device with a specific resolution, you create menu art so that the pixels of the art match perfectly with the pixels of the screen, so that no resampling is taking place, and you get as sharp an image as possible.

Knowing that this game is in 720p or 1080p, we can deduce whether or not this dimension makes sense in the context of a resolution that large. Below is an image with a reproduced metroid icon using the dimensions stipulated in the above image.

Compositing the other screenshots to match the size of the pixel-perfect metroid icon, we can see that even with some margin of error, the supposed character select screen doesn't fill a 720p resolution, and doesn't even come close to filling a 1080p resolution.

The only way the icon could be that small and still have the content fill the screen is if the graphic of the metroid icon is being UPscaled for the menu, and that would be a terribly sloppy thing coming from a seasoned video game developer. It's one thing to upscale rendered 3D models, but it's another thing to create art for a menu that has to be upscaled. There's no reason for that.

Furthermore, when you take a picture that's close enough to the screen that you can see pixels, you SHOULD see some sub-pixel separation (the red green and blue elements of a pixel have a slight gap between them that is typically indiscernible at a distance, but very apparent up close.

Not only that, but with most camera lenses, taking a picture that close and at that angle would result in some blurriness somewhere in the image, because the depth of field can't possibly be that large. Plus, content that is that far off center in the shot is NEVER auto-focused on, so why the heck is that metroid icon that sharp in the first place? We shouldn't be able to see pixelation that easily without some blurriness.

AND EVEN STILL, what kinda screen are we looking at that the colors don't distort at such a sharp angle? Is the guy using a magic camera??

I took the liberty of taking a photo of that metroid icon at actual resolution (pixels of the image match the pixels of the screen) at a similar angle with some elements around it to replicate the context. here's what it looks like:

I used my iPhone to take the photo. I also took some photos with my DSLR, but I couldn't even get the dang thing in focus being that close to the subject. What are the chances the guy had a macro lens with him? Pretty slim.

This is a photo of an IPS panel, which has very good color fidelity at sharp angles, and even this screen doesn't keep colors as well in a photo. You have to stage a photograph REALLY well to keep screen artifacts to a minimum, and what are the chances a photographer got the chance to do that? As you can see, the subpixel separations are very apparent, which is not the case in the "leak."

Also.... the perspective of these images doesn't really make that much sense, which is what happens when you use a free transform in Photoshop to produce the perspective. Photoshop distortion isn't the same as camera lens distortion, which produces fisheye. There is little to no fisheye on these images, and the only way that would come from a camera is if the photographer zoomed in from a distance, rather than taking the picture up close. What are the chances of the images being this crisp and clear under those circumstances??

Hopefully if you weren't sure before, you can be sure now. These images just SCREAM "fake." I give the guy props for thinking of putting the moire and trying to use the multiple angles thing to pass it off as real, but he can't fool me.

Can someone explain to me why this picture looks pixelated? And I'm not talking about the picture itself, but the image on the screen. The only way you can get a picture like this would be to zoom in in an image editing program. If this were taken from a TV you wouldn't be able to see the pixels so clearly.
Just check Pit's portrait, that's like a 150% zoom there.

I went and took a picture of my screen. This is what it looks like at 100% resoultion:

And this is what it looks like zoomed in at 150%:

In the first one you can see the little dots of light from the screen, in the second one you can see the actual pixels that make the image. Which one looks more similar to the picture from the leak?

This is what I was talking about!

 

[Shroob]

That's your prerogative. However, rather than allocating spaces based on what "I feel" is going to happen (in which case I would have started with K. Rool and Mewtwo), I assembled bits and pieces of the roster based on placements that are either obvious or make sense to me. This is how I ended up with that final roster.

Also, now, the hunt for a preexisting image of that Ridley begins.

And I did it how it makes sense to ME. You can't tell me there's not SOME bias with your belief of a 3rd DK rep. At the end of the day, we're both going to be biased on how we THINK it should look, but without more spaces unlocked, we have no idea how it'll look really.

 

[ChunkyBeef]

Man, that nightmare fuel Ridley. Would love to see the whole thing for once.

 

[praline]

Okay, I'm going to talk you guys through my assembly of what I consider to be the correct roster configuration for this leak with visual aids. I would bet that the leak is fake (a likely proposition anyway) before I would bet on any other roster configuration besides this one. As an FYI, rather than awkwardly leaving spaces in my rosters, I am including pictures of Groose. Groose represents empty spaces.

Spoiler

The Known Character Placements:

This features all of the characters we have physically seen on a (non-trolled) CSS pic, with Random being derived from the unfinished 'R' at the bottom right corner of one of the images, plus the red background, which no character has.

Filling In (Most) Other Known Characters:

This features all of the characters we know are in the game with the one exception of Olimar...since there are still many spots left often for his one spot to fill, let's piece in some other veterans from series already represented on these images and see if a more obvious spot emerges for the captain.

Filling In Veterans from Present Series:

Hmm, a bit cleaner, but still a bit...open. Let's try some of the veterans from series not yet represented on these images.

Filling In Veterans from Absent Series:

Now, things are starting to show up a bit more clearly. Falcon goes next to the Space Animals, since F-Zero was placed under Star Fox in the columns of Brawl's CSS. Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, and ROB are all kept close together due to their retro nature, which fits cleanly in the three spaces to Little Mac's left...could this maybe mean Mac was indeed considered to be this game's retro character, despite being "MUHRELEVANT?" Olimar is a bit closer to finding a home, although now, Ness, Lucas, and Snake still need placing. We'll get to them, but first, what about the Gematsu characters? Only Monkey Theory maniacs and people who have made running gags of themselves for their Chrom denial are still disbelieving it at this point, right?

Filling In Gematsu Characters:

Palutena next to Pit, obvious. Mii next to Little Mac, less obvious, but still sensible, due to their sports-oriented natures. Chrom next to Marth and Ike, obvious. Shulk next to the Fire Emblem characters, sensible, due to their fraternal bond as sword-wielding RPG protagonists. Chorus Kids (represented here by the Wrestler, there's no Chorus Kids icon yet) next to Wii Fit Trainer, obvious, due to their natures as shock characters from prominent Wii-era series. Pacman next to Sonic and Mega Man, obvious, albeit detrimental to Snake's chances; he now no longer fits next to the other third parties. As such, he appears to have been cut.

There are now five individual spaces left on this roster. But wait, wouldn't Ness and Lucas have to be side by side? Correct, which is why I am concluding that one of the two is leaving, most likely Lucas, due to Ness' longevity in the series, but who knows, considering @AncientTobacco translated a source the other day claiming Ness was considered for the chopping block in Brawl. Let's fill in these last five spots with our final roster.

Filling In The Rest:

With a heavy heart, Ness goes in the space next to Shulk and Fire Emblem, since Mother was placed under Fire Emblem in the columns of Brawl's CSS. Now, @ Shroob argues that Olimar would go next to the Kongs due to his status as a Miyamoto creation. I am instead placing him next to Villager; both make sense side-by-side as franchises that debuted worldwide (Animal Crossing appeared on the N64 in Japan only) on the GameCube, and I believe a new DK character is more likely than a new (possibly second) retro character.

That space next to Diddy goes to K. Rool, who at this point has every known criteria going for him...Dixie could technically fill this spot too, but after months of her fans and bandwagoners alike declaring that she'll be shown around Tropical Freeze's release, I am solidifying my stance that her ship has sailed for this game. Ridley goes next to Zero Suit Samus because Metroid was overtop Kid Icarus in the columns of Brawl's CSS; as such, the spot has to be a Metroid one, and absolutely no one but Ridley has a chance for that, despite his apparent disconfirmation. And, lastly, the spot alongside Jigglypuff goes to Mewtwo because Pokemon and Fire Emblem had adjacent Brawl CSS columns, and he has so much else going in his favor anyway.

Okay, just to wrap this up and predict a few responses, yes, I know things might change from Brawl's CSS. I found here that, if its ordering is followed with some unknown placements, each of this roster's three rows go from most represented to least represented series, left to right (with the exception of Yoshi and Wario, who fit neatly next to the Mario characters anyhow). Yes, I know the roster has a great chance of being fake, I'm doing this to help generate productive discussion about the hypothetical of it not being fake, which, by the way, we can't determine on the basis of you thinking it's too "ugly/weird/simple" or you asking it random questions ("if it's real, why *insert subjective claim here*??"). And to everyone moping around claiming people are fools for analyzing this sort of thing instead of "just waiting?" Great idea, let's leave all this talk in the dust and get back to talking about Ridley's shadow and Fire Emblem. Sounds peachy.

If that is what the roster ends as I'd be happy with that. Even if 4 of my 5 wants didn't get in.

 

[PlasmaPuffball]

I suddenly don't want Ridley to be playable anymore.

 

[Neo Zero]

1. Does the box align

2. Does this picture exist

3. Did the artist who made this retire for being terrible at making Ridley

The hunt begins.

 

[Deleted member]

That disgusting looking Ridley would never be in Smash Brothers. Now I want this to be fake.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, that doesn't even look like Roidly... I'm not sure exactly WHAT Ridley that is supposed to be.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Wait a sec, the Ridley pixel doesn't look of in this one. I know it's hard to see, but it looks correct this time.

Edit: I looked again, this matches that one off pixel.

 

[Silvera]

Man that Ridley is ugly.

However the angle is new so it may be made by the original poster.

Imagine what he looks like during gameplay.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ridley looks so ugly but I must say I have never seen that model..

My god is this what a realistic ridley looks like!?!

 

[GamerGuy09]

I would have expected Ridley to be based off of his Metroid Other M appearance. His colors in this leak are far to dark for it to make it into Smash.

 

[praline]

The Ridley pic is fake. But I don't think the rest is.

 

[Shroob]

I would have expected Ridley to be based off of his Metroid Other M appearance. His colors in this leak are far to dark for it to make it into Smash.

Well, to be fair, if there is a Ridley in Pyrosphere as a boss... I guess this would help differentiate them?

 

[Neo Zero]

I would have expected Ridley to be based off of his Metroid Other M appearance. His colors in this leak are far to dark for it to make it into Smash.

Plus his wings...those are way to small....right now we just need to focus on finding this render. That would kill this faster than anything.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Ewwww... that Ridley.

 

[aldelaro5]

just so that isn't ignored

I checked my history there was 4 thread

The first one got only the first 2 pic and got deleted shortly after.

The second thread wasn't created by the leaker but the leaker posted the third and fourth pic (the 4th one has the comment about the 2 version).

The third thread wasn't created by the leaker and it was created while the second was being active. This is when the fake pac man picture got posted with the comment "one more"

The 4th thread was created by the leaker while the third was active using the last picture (you need a pic to start a thread on 4chan). This was made with the comment about 2 versions and ridley.

Figured that with my chrome history (I only visited the 4 thread yesterday no other thread).

But, if you want a solid evidence, I posted about it after @ Swamp Sensei asked for the links. I do remember that after I read his message, I checked my history to give him the second thread but it was deleted when I checked it recently. The 2nd thread was definetly there before the third one so this just proves that the third and fourth pic was posted before the 6th one.

Here was my post:

it was edited one minute after so you consider this as a timestamps.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

MY ****ING SIDES!

That Ridley looks awful....

 

[Shroob]

Plus his wings...those are way to small....right now we just need to focus on finding this render. That would kill this faster than anything.

The question is, does this have a source? I've NEVER seen a Ridley that looks like that before in my life.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Anyone notice this one also has those disgusting Smudges?

Anyway, is this possible that this could have been made without the Raw image? It seems like the process would be painful.

Also I can tell that Ridley's name plate is one pixel higher.

The question is, does this have a source? I've NEVER seen a Ridley that looks like that before in my life.

Maybe the fake leaker hired someone or took some 3d rendering courses to make this quick mock-up?

 

[Gameboi834]

kill this faster than anything.

Please dear God kill this. With fire, preferably.

 

[BKupa666]

And I did it how it makes sense to ME. You can't tell me there's not SOME bias with your belief of a 3rd DK rep. At the end of the day, we're both going to be biased on how we THINK it should look, but without more spaces unlocked, we have no idea how it'll look really.

There's bias on my end in it being K. Rool instead of Dixie or Cranky, but I believe it objectively makes more sense for Olimar to be next to another GameCube-debuting solo character, rather than sandwiched in between two series with multiple characters as the exception to the rule that series decrease in representation left-to-right (with Yoshi and Wario as understandable exceptions). If the order went, say, DK - Diddy - Space - Villager, I'd put him up there in a heartbeat, but that's not what looks to be in the cards.

 

[Artsy Omni]

This is what I was talking about!

Yeah, I haven't been keeping up with the thread, so sorry for being redundant. =P But it looks like both of us my be poking holds in the wrong bucket, since it seems that image that we analyzed is suspected to be faked. So the first 2 images could be real, and the image we looked at could be a fake based off of it.

I'm still skeptical, but I can't say with confidence that the first 2 images are fake.

 

[Luigi#1]

Honestly, that doesn't even look like Roidly... I'm not sure exactly WHAT Ridley that is supposed to be.

60s movie Ridley.

 

[RouffWestie]

I get it now. They only showed his shadow because his face was too dang ugly.