Event - E3 Invitational 2014 E3 2014 Rumor/Leak Discussion Thread

[GamerGuy09]

There's too much conflicting evidence for us to make any rational conclusion at this point. We need some solid evidence, no matter what side it advocates.

Yeah, that's really the only thing we can agree on. You can really give an explanation to everything except for why the leaker didn't show us Ridley.

 

[Gameboi834]

He could have taken pictures of different screens.

 

[aldelaro5]

I just got another question: if there are indeed 2 distinct version then it should not be set up on the same monitor and it looks like it is the same monitor (aka he couldn't have unlocked characters because he claims that those are different version).

 

[Con0rrrr]

Well, I suppose it could have been changed. But it is just as likely that it hasn't changed.

So. Then it's not disproving the leak, it's just information that goes both ways. That's what I'm seeing in this thread is people are taking info, assuming that that info makes the leak fake, and carrying on before stopping to think that it could go either way.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I just got another question: if there are indeed 2 distinct version then it should not be set up on the same monitor and it looks like it is the same monitor (aka he couldn't have unlocked characters because he claims that those are different version).

Wait. The leaker himself said that?

 

[aldelaro5]

Wait. The leaker himself said that?

Take it as you will, this was the only place I found that statement.

Apparently, yes.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Apparently, yes.

Okay, that is weird. Why do something like that? Even though this point has been discussed to death. Why would the lock screens even be there, and why would the characters be spaced out so far apart? It looks kinda ugly to me.

 

[aldelaro5]

Okay, that is weird. Why do something like that?

I know it is which again leads me to believe fake.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think I have an explanation on the smudges...

The first two pics are pretty clean. The second two are dirty.

Well the first two are pics of the demo build.

The second two pics of the tourney build.

Two different TVs.

 

[Neo Zero]

He never says it's the same monitor though. They could be side by side.

Swamp beat me to it and explained it much better. Marvelous.

 

[GamerGuy09]

I know it is which again leads me to believe fake.

1. Why would there be 2 different versions in the first place? It just seems to be an excuse.

2. Why does the CSS look so ugly as in why so many lock screens, and the characters are so far apart. Brawl had them all close to each other to look nicer.

 

[Hinata]

Melee and Brawl had their screens just get bigger as the characters were unlocked. But 64 had the entire CSS, with the locked characters grayed out under a lock of sorts. So, really despite the fact that it hasn't been done in a while, the prospect of there being "locked" icons isn't unheard of.

 

[Deleted member]

I came up with a small analysis on the roster.

Alright, so this was the roster we saw for sure. Below are confirmed characters not included.

Added them into it, and then considered the most obvious returning veterans.

Here's what we basically predict. Then, I add the questionable characters: Lucas, Wolf, Snake, R.O.B. and Mewtwo.

Add in some Sal Romano, I noticed that there was a strange build then. To be safe, I added one more row of 3, one being a random button.

I then considered what was left: A Metroid, a DK and an unknown. Ridley and K. Rool, and for the sake of the argument, Takamaru.

Not too bad of a roster.

Looks good. Nice job! I personally have no real issues with this roster.

 

[GamerGuy09]

Melee and Brawl had their screens just get bigger as the characters were unlocked. But 64 had the entire CSS, with the locked characters grayed out under a lock of sorts. So, really despite the fact that it hasn't been done in a while, the prospect of there being "locked" icons isn't unheard of.

But that was because there were only 4 unlockable characters. There are like 25+ locked characters!

I can't take this anymore!

 

[ChikoLad]

Also:

Spoiler

Taken from my 1366x768 laptop screen with the camera of my HTC Desire HD phone. The image is a screen grab from the Direct itself that I took.

Notice how even that looks clearer, and it's not even on an HDTV.

The print screen I took from the Direct is:

 

[aldelaro5]

What I think I can tell for sure is that you should not consider this as real for sure. It's far from the palutena one (has this one been disproven?).

 

[Saint Johns]

The resolution leads me to believe that this is supposed to be the 3DS version. Also, if this is the demo then the unlockable characters wouldn't be there.If it's the actual game, characters like Bowser, Diddy Kong, and ZSS wouldn't be locked.

 

[Con0rrrr]

Pros

• Text is 100% accurate to the Direct
• Characters line up with Gematsu + Ridley and Mewtwo. Maybe K Rool if Wolf/ROB/Lucas are cut
• The reality is convincing. A beta version of the demo at Best Buy. Hiding camera to prevent tracking location/leaker. Pixelation when image is close.
• If faked, the fake was made well. Someone of this level would not leave obvious plotholes such as the odd numbers above the characters. Also the characters being unlocked along the way. It's odd enough that the faker wouldn't do that. More likely, the leaker just took pics and uploaded them fast as he could.
• Post being removed within 2 hours of posting. (Caught?)
• A leak very soon after a character reveal, not even showing that character. (Ike).
• Text and layout is identical to Music menu already revealed. But not enough to be copy pasted and edited slightly. Sure it could be retouched in photoshop, but that seems unlikely given the theme of the layout.

Cons

• Ridley not being fully shown. He would be the only character to not have art already made, which would be hard to fake for a leaker.

Indifferent

• Spots on the images.

1. 1. On one side, the time indicated by the leaker does not make sense with more spots on the screen for the WFT pic.
   2. But, this doesnt make the leak fake. It just adds something odd to the table

• Some Weird explanation for characters being added.
  
  1. One Version for Tourney, one for casual?
  2. Maybe One version is for invitational while the other is for the at Best Buy? Wouldn't make much sense but it could possibly explain why one screen had more smudges than the other, they are different screens for different demos.
• The Leak is so intricate, it could go either way. It hasn't been disproven legitimately, and it's stumped us more than others. For any other CSS we could counter it, but this one fits like puzzle pieces with the Sal leak. It lines up with direct. And the leaker seems to have a weird way of explaining things, that is weird enough to be legit if that makes any sense.

What Else do I need to add?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

That is a valid point.

This could be the 3DS.

 

[GamerGuy09]

What I think I can tell for sure is that you should not consider this as real for sure. It's far from the palutena one (has this one been disproven?).

What one?

The resolution leads me to believe that this is supposed to be the 3DS version. Also, if this is the demo then the unlockable characters wouldn't be there.If it's the actual game, characters like Bowser, Diddy Kong, and ZSS wouldn't be locked.

Yeah. However the screen is way to big to be the 3DS version. It looks like a best buy booth, which is what the guy stated it to be.

 

[ChikoLad]

The resolution leads me to believe that this is supposed to be the 3DS version. Also, if this is the demo then the unlockable characters wouldn't be there.If it's the actual game, characters like Bowser, Diddy Kong, and ZSS wouldn't be locked.

3DS version isn't going to be used at the tourney, yet one of these leaked screens is claimed to be the tourney build.

 

[Hinata]

Pros

• A leak very soon after a character reveal, not even showing that character. (Ike).

Pardon me, but I fail to see how this is considered a pro.

 

[Neo Zero]

But the tournament is on Wii U, as is the Best Buy Demo. Now I'm sure there'll be 3DS Smash at Best Buy as well, that doesn't explain the tournament version.

 

[shrooby]

That is a valid point.

This could be the 3DS.

The invitational tourney, which I'd assume is what the "leaker" is referring to by "tourney version," will only use the Wii-U version.

 

[GamerGuy09]

3DS version isn't going to be used at the tourney, yet one of these leaked screens is claimed to be the tourney build.

Also the Best Buy thing is only for the Wii U I believe.

 

[aldelaro5]

What one?

Spoiler

and

In my knowledge, this still seems to be real has it hasn't been debunked.

 

[Silvera]

New image

 

[Pieman0920]

1. Why would there be 2 different versions in the first place? It just seems to be an excuse.

2. Why does the CSS look so ugly as in why so many lock screens, and the characters are so far apart. Brawl had them all close to each other to look nicer.

An issue you have to take up if you assume its fake is that the person who fabricated it made up those weird details. It not too clear why there would be a tournament build and a demo build, but the easier or more convincing thing to fake would be that both the version for the demo and the one for the tournament would be the same, so if they are a faker, they would just go with the easy/assumed outcome of one version. But they have two here for some unknown and, if real, unexpected reason. Like the colors menu, its not something a faker would have needed to put in there to try to convince anyone, but there it is.

Of course they could also just be adding weird stuff to make it seem more convincing.

 

[GamerGuy09]

New image

Is that Pac-Man art known?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay...

Well. There's Pac-Man.

Can we tell if that picture already exists?

 

[Con0rrrr]

Pardon me, but I fail to see how this is considered a pro.

It was there from the old version. But most leaks that happen after character reveals tend to lean toward that character. This doesn't. But it still lines up with the character reveal if that makes sense. Basically, if it was fake, it's more likely for the faker to capitalize on the opportunity that Ike was just revealed.

 

[Z25]

I came up with a small analysis on the roster.

Alright, so this was the roster we saw for sure. Below are confirmed characters not included.

Added them into it, and then considered the most obvious returning veterans.

Here's what we basically predict. Then, I add the questionable characters: Lucas, Wolf, Snake, R.O.B. and Mewtwo.

Add in some Sal Romano, I noticed that there was a strange build then. To be safe, I added one more row of 3, one being a random button.

I then considered what was left: A Metroid, a DK and an unknown. Ridley and K. Rool, and for the sake of the argument, Takamaru.

Not too bad of a roster.

This would be a fantastic rooster actually compared to what is expected. This could go with ninjakiwi's source's info on here, of the roster being pure fan service.

 

[Luigi#1]

I'd add the eyesore of a view as a pro, as that would be not good. Why even have the locks in a demo if you can't get them? And why would Bowser not be playable, but Luigi the unlockable be? They'd just not use all of those spots for a demo.

 

[Artorias]

New image

im pretty sure this is fake as ****. look how bad the resolution is. also you can read Ridley's name now, teasing it like this is kinda fishy

 

[Neo Zero]

New image

And Fake. Ridley suddenly moved 5 spaces over to be around Sonic? There can't be any good explanation for this.

 

[GamerGuy09]

It was there from the old version. But most leaks that happen after character reveals tend to lean toward that character. This doesn't. But it still lines up with the character reveal if that makes sense. Basically, if it was fake, it's more likely for the faker to capitalize on the opportunity that Ike was just revealed.

I dunno, I see that as a con. He already had it made, and then Ike was released. He was already far to deep into the leak, that he couldn't change it by then.

 

[aldelaro5]

New image

ok now it's fake you don't even see the yellow part on the 4th one.

Also the comment "one more" euh... you just claimed to not being able to have one more.

 

[ChikoLad]

I mean, if it weren't for the tourney thing, I could easily rationalise that the screenshots are taken from the 3DS version being displayed on the dev kit on a computer monitor. But the 3DS version ain't gonna be at the tourney.

And that "P1" token still really bothers me.

New image

I would like to address that this doesn't counter my point about the jaggies, as this photo is out of focus.

Also, nice, he throws in Pac-Man all of a sudden. What build is this, the one at the reception for Namco Bandai Studios? :V

Also:

 

[Pieman0920]

New image

...Even if the first ones were fake, I don't believe that's made by the same guy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait a minute...

Take it as you will, this was the only place I found that statement.

Last pic he could get testing out the booth?

Then what's with the new pic?

Are we sure it's the same guy?