DotA 2: 6.83 patch, The International 5 on the way!

[Fragger]

So i just got Dota 2. I play a lot of LoL so I have experience with MOBAs so what are some of the major differences? Also go ahead and add me.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036273734/

 

[MeatIsMURDER]

played two games of dota one today, that game takes so much more skill. i love it. i wish people didn't force me to play dota 2

also i got to play magnataur, my true love

 

[wezai]

played two games of dota one today, that game takes so much more skill. i love it. i wish people didn't force me to play dota 2

also i got to play magnataur, my true love

They take the same amount of skill, the only difference for now is that Dota has a greater strategical depth (because of the number of heroes in it). The rest it's basically the same game with the same skill gap.

 

[Sinz]

They take the same amount of skill, the only difference for now is that Dota has a greater strategical depth (because of the number of heroes in it). The rest it's basically the same game with the same skill gap.

And interface limitations. >.> The mapping is a bit rough to get used to again....

 

[Fragger]

Yea i just played my first game, I played the Drow Archer? I thought it was the easiest one to play, an AD carry. Just point and click. I just leveled up ult>passive>Frost shot> stats. For items I idk know so i went with the recommended and what my teammates told me. Basically i would try to open with Frost shot and then silence them and my teammates and I would of killed em by then. I also went duo bot lane, idk what they normally go.

 

[wezai]

Yea i just played my first game, I played the Drow Archer? I thought it was the easiest one to play, an AD carry. Just point and click. I just leveled up ult>passive>Frost shot> stats. For items I idk know so i went with the recommended and what my teammates told me. Basically i would try to open with Frost shot and then silence them and my teammates and I would of killed em by then. I also went duo bot lane, idk what they normally go.

Drow Ranger is an AGI carry, she is good but she lacks an escape mechanism. So usually people buy Shadow Blade for her (it gives invisibility) as an opening core to fulfill that. Get some stats while building your basic core (like getting Wraith Band or Braces while you finish your Power Treads is good). Every little stat counts a lot so make a good use of it early game.

As for skills, there's 2 common methods to go for:

1: Max Frost Arrow and her Silence. Start adding her aura afterwards, level up your ultimate whenever you can. The main idea behind this is to slow heroes a lot in team-fights so you and your team can kill fast whoever you focused, in the middle of the fight, try to get most of their heroes in the Silence, or if you can't, try to at least silence the ones who have good disables or skills.

2: Max Frost Arrow and her passive first. This works wonders if you have another damage aura backing you up in your lane (Vengeful Spirit's, Luna's (not added in Dota 2 yet) or any attack speed aura such as Beastmaster's. Then the main idea is to kill heroes early on, still in the laning phase. It's virtually impossible to escape from frost arrows if that is followed by another slow or disable. It nets you kills very early which helps you a lot into getting fat.

As for laning her, usually duo-lanes or tri-lanes are the best options. Backed up by a support or baby-sitter, which will help her to farm easily. Rarely pro-teams will let her solo-mid because she isn't a good ganker or pusher who can abuse power from fast early levels, she doesn't have the mobility either for that to become an early nuisance. She can't face alone against duo-lanes or tri-lanes, because of her lack of mobility or nukes that can farm from a safer distance. And ultimately, she cannot jungle effectively. So basically, going with one partner in your lane is all good.

Hope those tips helped you.

 

[Ignatius]

I don't really care that it's already been posted, this should probably be embedded on this page as well.

 

[Mic_128]

I like that it's more clear, but the skeleton effect seems hard to really distinguish it for what it is unless you were specifically looking for it.

 

[Sinz]

Its just a nice little touch. I'm just in love with the coloring

 

[DJRome]

idk if maybe ive been told wrong, but i have always gone on drow:

lvl 1 stats
2 silence
ult>passive>orb>silence>stats. it just seems that lvl 1, stats is best option

 

[Mota]

Dayum that looks delicious!

SF movement animations changed as well. Slightly more resembling the old SF pimp stride.

Love the new Panda Brewmaster! Love the range on that thunder clap.
Drunken haze looks lulzily good.
Can't wait for Aghanims Sceptor visual effects to be added. Bigger primal split :D

 

[Mic_128]

idk if maybe ive been told wrong, but i have always gone on drow:

lvl 1 stats
2 silence
ult>passive>orb>silence>stats. it just seems that lvl 1, stats is best option

The ability to silence/slow is so much better than a +1 to all stats.

 

[Sinz]

The ability to silence/slow is so much better than a +1 to all stats.

Agreed.

I like going q,w,e,e,e,r,e,q,q,r,q,w(or stats),w(or stats),w(or stats), stats, ult in terms of leveling.

I like starting the standard two slips 2 branches and regen(tangos + salve). From there I go into either midas(depending if i have good farm or not. If I can't get it before the 7:30 mark I don't do it at all.) or straight into treads. Then I go into helm of the dominator and get a creep and stack the ancients with it.

From there I continue to farm(with a tp on me at all times incase people get dived) either in a lane or in the jungle. Playing very cautiously(unless i have a distinct advantage and know where EVERYONE else is on the map). Then I go manta into bkb or vice versa. Following that I'd go either mkb or daed or butterfly.

 

[Flayl]

+2 to all stats IIRC

which helps you last hit better

edit: and gives HP which is why I would get it before passive)

 

[MeatIsMURDER]

level one stats is horrible
wow guys...
level one you get aura or frost arrows. it depends on your lane. frost arrows if you're playing drow in a tri lane or you need to be able to harrass, otherwise aura.
level 2 silence.
max aura, max silence, max arrows last (but get one level of it at 4)

and stat bonus=+2 to all stats
the ONLY hero I ever see people go stats on is leoric, they get stun stats stun stats stun ulty, just so you can throw 2 stuns in lane. without stats you only get one stun

i usually get crits anyway and rush soul ring, so i don't even do that, it's just the only hero that justifies doing so

 

[DJRome]

but lvl 1, stats gives more dmg than aura + bonus hp, and lvl 1 frost is useless since it is like 4 % slow. it seems like the standard lvl 1 skill from almost all of the chinese replays I have seen

 

[wezai]

Another hero who was justified for getting early stats was Morphling, Wave + stats + Wave + stats + wave. So he could use his nuke more and endure the lane for a longer period. But after his Adaptive Strike remake, it's much better to get it now on level 4 (level 2 still stats).

 

[wezai]

Edit: Sorry for double-posting, I swear I thought I clicked the edit button on my other post. WAHHH.

but lvl 1, stats gives more dmg than aura + bonus hp, and lvl 1 frost is useless since it is like 4 % slow. it seems like the standard lvl 1 skill from almost all of the chinese replays I have seen

Level 1 Frost Arrow is so good, even if the slow is not that much IMBA. Because just by the fact you can orb-walk, it means you can harass your enemies without pulling creep-aggro, instead of setting it to auto-cast, if you press hotkey for casting, creeps will not change their attack priority. It's something like how Huskar or Viper can harass, screw them orb-walkers.

 

[Sinz]

Another hero who was justified for getting early stats was Morphling, Wave + stats + Wave + stats + wave. So he could use his nuke more and endure the lane for a longer period. But after his Adaptive Strike remake, it's much better to get it now on level 4 (level 2 still stats).

Wrong!! O:

Morphs stat switch is ridiculous right now.

+3/4/5/6 str and agi. You max wave max stat switch get replicated at 9 and adaptive from there on. >.>

I'm sorry but a 5.0 stat gain at lvl 2 is ridiculous.

 

[wezai]

Wrong!! O:

Morphs stat switch is ridiculous right now.

+3/4/5/6 str and agi. You max wave max stat switch get replicated at 9 and adaptive from there on. >.>

I'm sorry but a 5.0 stat gain at lvl 2 is ridiculous.

Omg yes! I forgot Morph's remake. It's pretty strong.

 

[MeatIsMURDER]

but lvl 1, stats gives more dmg than aura + bonus hp, and lvl 1 frost is useless since it is like 4 % slow. it seems like the standard lvl 1 skill from almost all of the chinese replays I have seen

no. stats give you +2 damage and VERY negligible attack speed, and 38 extra hp. level one frost is not useless because

just by the fact you can orb-walk, it means you can harass your enemies without pulling creep-aggro, if you press hotkey for casting, creeps will not change their attack priority. It's something like how Huskar or Viper can harass, screw them orb-walkers.

it's a really powerful laning tool. that's why you get it in tri lanes. if you have a max range hero in your tri lane then you usually win that lane through harrassment (assuming their tri lane has more killing power). often tri lanes feature a farm dependent melee hero, and you can crush their laning phase using orb walks


as was said, old morph doesn't count because he is gone forever

I don't understand why you guys are willing to say "no, you are wrong" when you are so blatantly incorrect yourself. I'm not discouraging people from talking, but if you're going to flat out tell somebody they are wrong you should probably know what you're talking about
this is one of the huge problems with dota, in general. pubs are notorious for refusing all constructive criticism and advice (even when given in a friendly manner) and just insist they have the game figured out

 

[hubble]

this is one of the huge problems with dota, in general. pubs are notorious for refusing all constructive criticism and advice (even when given in a friendly manner) and just insist they have the game figured out

my biggest issue with it is that people would rather talk/theorycraft/argue than play/improve/try hard to win. seems like its been like this since TFT came out.

 

[wezai]

my biggest issue with it is that people would rather talk/theorycraft/argue than play/improve/try hard to win. seems like its been like this since TFT came out.

But sometimes, theorycrafting and discussing strategies can be fun :

The Outpicked thread

The Radiant thread

The Dire thread
The Dire 2.0

 

[Miharu]

stats were gotten cause of 2 things

1) other skills sucked (not really relevant anymore due to buffs across the board)
2) people sucked

only heros that getting stats is kinda justified on are sven/leo, but even then not really

also on drow you go yasha/dom -> bkb -> manta -> fly/buriza

lothars is only really useful in lowskill games anyways

my biggest issue with it is that people would rather talk/theorycraft/argue than play/improve/try hard to win. seems like its been like this since TFT came out.

ive no problem with this as long as people are willing to concede when they're wrong and at least attempt to try to see where other people are coming from

otherwise its just a waste of time

 

[Sinz]

I don't understand why you guys are willing to say "no, you are wrong" when you are so blatantly incorrect yourself. I'm not discouraging people from talking, but if you're going to flat out tell somebody they are wrong you should probably know what you're talking about

I mostly go off of what I see in competitive games and from discussions with pro players >.>

Honestly the only times I get stats is when I'm sven or im behind. >.>

 

[Turazrok]

Mkay.

My dota won't start. I think it has something to do with this.

 

[Sinz]

Recommendation is uninstalling and installing again.

I have no idea what the MDMP files do =/

 

[Turazrok]

Recommendation is uninstalling and installing again.

I have no idea what the MDMP files do =/

Tried it got the same files.

 

[Flayl]

Memory dump files. Won't help you at all unless you know what to look for, i.e. you're a developer.

 

[Turazrok]

IDK whats wrong then :/

 

[Flayl]

Have you tried doing a clean reinstall (uninstall all graphic card drivers/software and install latest version) of your video driver?

 

[Sinz]

for tuz
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=15261

 

[Turazrok]

None of that worked ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

It happened after I installed directx I believe

 

[Ignatius]

http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/4/20/2961883/dota-2-will-be-free-to-play-with-a-twist

 

[Mota]

Good move I suppose. Gotta get dat Chinese player base on board. Free + Lan

Hmm how to make moneys?
Hero skins would be interesting, so long as you still recognise the hero.
Customizable accessories, hats!? Kinda like how in DotA 1 on Christmas IceFrog would throw in Xmas hats and candy canes.

 

[Ignatius]

There's already a lot of items in the game, for Juggernaut and Furion. There's slot based items, and some skin items too. For instance Juggernaut has 8 different swords he can equip, but tidehunter has an orca whale skin. And Furion has like 5 beards.

There's also sound files for item drops, so it may be somewhat similar in that you have a capped number of item drops a week like TF2.

 

[DanGR]

It being F2P makes me sad, seeing how it affects League...

Real bummer.


I won't be playing past beta if their system involves buying things with real money that are required to play competitively.

 

[Ignatius]

In early articles they had mentioned they didn't want anything that affected gameplay to be locked out to anyone. If there were any locks on heroes I'd be extremely disheartened.

 

[Vyke]

It baffles me as to why websites still use the old art for Drow and Lina. Or rather, I guess it irritates me because Lina grew hair.

I WANT NEW ARTZ

 

[Frolossus]

It being F2P makes me sad, seeing how it affects League...

Real bummer.


I won't be playing past beta if their system involves buying things with real money that are required to play competitively.

i don't think it will affect league too much based on what happened with WoW vs other mmorpgs