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Vyke
Smash Champion
You also might want to change the guy with the penis for a head on your steam portrait before you head into anything major.
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casting Infused vs FnaticRC in 20 minutes
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Vyke
Smash Champion
A Blink? That's all I really know up until Tinker gets his TP Boots.
MeatIsMURDER
Smash Ace
Doomblaze
Smash Journeyman
QoP is one of the best mid heros in the game because ss is annoying as **** to deal with. Blink offers her very good rune control, so the other hero has to go to a rune spot before the 2 mins and hope that its there. That also makes her a very good ganker, because if she gets a haste, invis or dd you're guaranteed a kill or lane control wherever she moves to gank. She is almost impossible to gank, unlike TK, and good teams try to delay tinkers BoT by as long as possible by ganking him, which is pretty easy to do.
She has more burst damage than tinker because scream and wave are both aoe, and scream has a really low CD. She can also semicarry, as lategame you can get damage items to help when their team has 5 bkbs. You will never see that on tinker.
They are both momentum based heros, but with less farm qop does much better because she can gank and control fights without items. Also qop can initiate teamfights with giant red death circles, and tinker can't.
If you gain a large advantage early/mid game with a tinker solo mid, he can win you the game by himself, which generally won't happen if you're qop. Tinker is better at pushing and counterpushing than qop because march is an amazing spell, so he gives you more global map control. The other team can choose not to fight in march and go b and farm, while if qop throws out an ulti they've already taken like 1.5k damage as a team.
I think thats the basics.
MeatIsMURDER
Smash Ace
doomblaze covered a lot of it.
here's how it works in my mind-
when drafting, you have qop vs tinker. Both can go either hard lane or middle. Most qops will be sent middle. Tinker can stack ancients if he is dire hardlane and farm them with march (but this is often countered by enemies)
It isn't as simple as saying "qop is strong middle". She is, and she will beat most solo heroes, but many teams will draft a dual lane middle to crush the qop. this stops her rune control and also stops her farm early. she can also die to double stun lanes.
mid-late game tinker becomes a monster. his ability to stop all lanes from pushing allows your team to turtle effectively and control the pace of the game. Teams cannot push your middle when their side lanes are pushed due to tinker.
Tinker also is much stronger on the hard lane. When putting tinker in the hard lane, often times you do this while running a pushing + killing tri lane. The reason being is that many teams punish tri lanes by taking your off lane towers. Tinker maxing march can stop this by himself, allowing your tri lane to dominate with more damage control on other lanes. Many teams also pick tinker versus lycanthrope or other auto attacking carries (broodmother, anti mage, etc) because of the 100% blind it causes.
Because of these things, when I see a qop draft, it is nearly guaranteed she goes middle. I can now draft a counter to her. When I see a tinker picked, I'm not sure where to go. I must take the context of their other picks to try to crack the puzzle of their lanes. If qop is going hardlane, it is usually very obvious this will be the case, because there will be a strong dual lane for middle instead (the only reason they wouldn't send qop mid is because they think she will lose. this situation makes it easy to see the lanes pregame)
in terms of banning them, if I'm running lineups with veno and/or lesh and/or enchantress or other key heroes that are susceptible to burst damage, I will ban qop either in the first or second round, depending on other variables.
here's how it works in my mind-
when drafting, you have qop vs tinker. Both can go either hard lane or middle. Most qops will be sent middle. Tinker can stack ancients if he is dire hardlane and farm them with march (but this is often countered by enemies)
It isn't as simple as saying "qop is strong middle". She is, and she will beat most solo heroes, but many teams will draft a dual lane middle to crush the qop. this stops her rune control and also stops her farm early. she can also die to double stun lanes.
mid-late game tinker becomes a monster. his ability to stop all lanes from pushing allows your team to turtle effectively and control the pace of the game. Teams cannot push your middle when their side lanes are pushed due to tinker.
Tinker also is much stronger on the hard lane. When putting tinker in the hard lane, often times you do this while running a pushing + killing tri lane. The reason being is that many teams punish tri lanes by taking your off lane towers. Tinker maxing march can stop this by himself, allowing your tri lane to dominate with more damage control on other lanes. Many teams also pick tinker versus lycanthrope or other auto attacking carries (broodmother, anti mage, etc) because of the 100% blind it causes.
Because of these things, when I see a qop draft, it is nearly guaranteed she goes middle. I can now draft a counter to her. When I see a tinker picked, I'm not sure where to go. I must take the context of their other picks to try to crack the puzzle of their lanes. If qop is going hardlane, it is usually very obvious this will be the case, because there will be a strong dual lane for middle instead (the only reason they wouldn't send qop mid is because they think she will lose. this situation makes it easy to see the lanes pregame)
in terms of banning them, if I'm running lineups with veno and/or lesh and/or enchantress or other key heroes that are susceptible to burst damage, I will ban qop either in the first or second round, depending on other variables.
PantyRaider08
Smash Journeyman
I am so glad KOTL is back. Nothing like trolling pubs with lvl 5 dagon. 
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
meat is murder's new team is so good O.O
watching them scrim is like watching any other pro-game on tobi's stream.
watching them scrim is like watching any other pro-game on tobi's stream.
wezai
Smash Journeyman
I have been playing some Visage matches, I am loving what Valve did to his model a lot. Stunning 3 times with Aghanims in fights are so imba, and just in case it's not going that well, you can just instantly re-cast your ultimate for another 3 stuns or his bats damage. :D
Not to mention that Visage can nuke so well early to mid game, and can survive that extra hit/nuke thanks to his passive, it's incredible. Definitely, I want to master him now that he is in Dota 2. I played too little with him in Dota 1.
Now I am waiting for Meepo, Boot of Travels + Meepo = Fun! There's always a quick Dagger too for the laughs. XD
Not to mention that Visage can nuke so well early to mid game, and can survive that extra hit/nuke thanks to his passive, it's incredible. Definitely, I want to master him now that he is in Dota 2. I played too little with him in Dota 1.
Now I am waiting for Meepo, Boot of Travels + Meepo = Fun! There's always a quick Dagger too for the laughs. XD
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It's rough. But here are some links I recommend reading.
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/qckss/new_players_reddits_compiled_guide_to_dota2/
wezai
Smash Journeyman
^ Good luck.
John2k4
The End of an Era
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Read through the first one, and I notice that Dota shares a lot of traits with League. Good because I already have a decent idea of how lanes and terms work from there.
Interesting @ the denial of creeps/towers.
Good to know @ the "ALWAYS CARRY A TP SCROLL" tidbit. =P
Interesting @ the denial of creeps/towers.
Good to know @ the "ALWAYS CARRY A TP SCROLL" tidbit. =P
Anyone have access to a beta key and want to be my hero?
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I'll find out if I can get one. I think Vyke should have one more(unless he gave that one away too. If thats the case sorry mate!)
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Chen is so much fun.
On another note, I am on like a 15 game lose streak, this is getting really frustrating. My team mates are always either ******** or just don't care. Luckily the last few games theres been one other ally that knew wtf was going on and we could sigh about circumstances together, but i'd really like a good team for once.. I may make a picture montage of the stupid stupid **** thats happened (i can go back and look at my old replays right?). For example, once my teammate felt like (finally) helping the team and warded. He put the ward halfway up a random ramp in the river and it couldnt see anything lmao
On another note, I am on like a 15 game lose streak, this is getting really frustrating. My team mates are always either ******** or just don't care. Luckily the last few games theres been one other ally that knew wtf was going on and we could sigh about circumstances together, but i'd really like a good team for once.. I may make a picture montage of the stupid stupid **** thats happened (i can go back and look at my old replays right?). For example, once my teammate felt like (finally) helping the team and warded. He put the ward halfway up a random ramp in the river and it couldnt see anything lmao
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I may have mediocre micro in wc3 but that makes me diamond in sc2 and god tier in dota 2
with as much losing as i've been doing lately, i will take anything that will make me feel better about my play quality.
with as much losing as i've been doing lately, i will take anything that will make me feel better about my play quality.
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I had a friend that would like to rush Dom on Chen just to try to get 6 centaurs and push in to win with that. It's not really good or anything, but watching him slowly kill people with 10+ seconds of stun is kind of hilarious.
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lmao im gonna have so much fun with that iggy
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my fault. I guess i really just suck too much. Probably gonna take orange's advice and quit for a long long time
It really depends on the teammates. I've been in a bit of a slump. I've been looking at picking CK up, but even though I pick him right at the start, the whole team decides they all want to be carries too, and thus we get stomped because no one else can stun/cc/aoe/ranged harras/ect.
Either way, I appreciate the a help. Keep me in mind if you get your hands on another. I'd really like to learn the game. I'm enjoying trolling Iggy by making him put together a theorycraft team that has to run Exhort/Wex Invoker.
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OJ was angry and drunk. Don't quit. It wasn't your fault. Enchantress in those fights wouldn't be able to do anything with that much sheer aoe / burst damage. I've been looking through the replay a lot thinking of what I could have done better.
-I missed a ton of cs in mid.
-Kept invoking tornado instead of alacrity
-Didn't carry a tp for a while
-And a lot more.
I think if I were playing better we would have won.
Also, don't rely on chen / enchantress. They have a completely different playstyle of any other jungler. They aren't good farmers but are for putting pressure on the lane. However, in doing pressure on the lane you don't wanna be taking the exp from the lane. You wanna be something that the person on the enemy team is worried about jumping them constantly.
@Ryker Wexort Voker is so sad. I've tried him multiple times. Quas is just too good. It gives you laning power, Cold snap(most op spell invoker has btw. This spell is so damn good all game long.), and Survivability(+Str).
I never said it needs to work. It needs to happen to Iggy when he least expects it.
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Awesome, i'll work on those things Sinz.
Vyke
Smash Champion
Never listen to anyone who irrationally talks down to you about being lackluster at something. There's never any reason you can't improve (Unless you're, uh, like, disabled) at something.
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+ radiance and towers don't exist.
Lovage
Smash Hero
need some key-binding tips
when i started the game, i rebinded the items to 1-6 like league of legends. and put select hero/courier on f1/f2
but i'm realizing i need control groups lol, i could unbind my item keybinds but idk where else to put them. i think i could squeeze them in on mousebuttons/other random keys but i'm not too sure
when i started the game, i rebinded the items to 1-6 like league of legends. and put select hero/courier on f1/f2
but i'm realizing i need control groups lol, i could unbind my item keybinds but idk where else to put them. i think i could squeeze them in on mousebuttons/other random keys but i'm not too sure