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Does Falco beat Sheik?
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Mew2King
King of the Mews
falco beats sheik slightly. It is a close matchup. 55-45 falco imo
Shaeman111
Smash Ace
Yeah i agree. Combo potential is about equal. Falco's favor.
Falco camps a little better?
Sheik has amazing gimps.
Tech chasing potential is about equal? sheiks favor i'd say.
So, 55/45 sounds right.
Falco camps a little better?
Sheik has amazing gimps.
Tech chasing potential is about equal? sheiks favor i'd say.
So, 55/45 sounds right.
lol zhu thinks my training is actually good or something
like he said my marth practice helped him a lot for RoM 2 which is weird cause i dont have a marth.
my theory is that i know matchups cause i watch videos so i know what works but i cant actually adapt very well so i get figured out quickly
like he said my marth practice helped him a lot for RoM 2 which is weird cause i dont have a marth.
my theory is that i know matchups cause i watch videos so i know what works but i cant actually adapt very well so i get figured out quickly
that's not really how the game works lol
Little England
Smash Master
I think Sheik beats Falco now. Thanks Kira 
No seriously. I think the only thing Falco has on over Sheik is adaptability and maybe a bit more ability in stage control.
(The good thing is that these are the two most important parts of the game imo, so even though I think Sheik>Falco on paper the matchup may be even.)
No seriously. I think the only thing Falco has on over Sheik is adaptability and maybe a bit more ability in stage control.
(The good thing is that these are the two most important parts of the game imo, so even though I think Sheik>Falco on paper the matchup may be even.)
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falco's edgeguard ***** Sheik even with ground techs.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
how do i get around sheiks nair oos? =[
ViciousEnd
Smash Journeyman
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Study when they like to do it and punish accordingly. If they do it before you come in then that is your bad. You could do slightly later down airs once pillaring, or cross up their shield. You could also try dair -> crouch cancel if they do it everytime, and shine them after you get hit. You can also laser grab their shield.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Double shine? Shinegrab?
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
k thanks for the infoz.
jetfour
Smash Journeyman
I'll nair you Tucson Falcos all day every day.
NO ESCAPE
Said in the voice of Raphael in SCII
JPOBS
Smash Hero
yo Rapheal's forward Weak attack was broken in SC2. he just poked em in their face like 10 times with his little sword and no cool down.
I beat all my friends with it
I beat all my friends with it
one of my friends tried to do that to me and I smacked his *** up with my quarterstaff.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
unknown522
Some guy
Raph is low tier in that game. Almost every girl makes up the tier list in SC2, along with cervi being top 3 and mitsurugi somewhere in the top 5 I'm pretty sure.
Link is debatable for worst character in the game with yunsung.
Xionghua is stupid and possibly the best character in the game. So pretty much the tier list is something like:
Necrid (banned)
X
Ivy
Cervi
Taki
sophitia
Mitsu
Cassandra
Yoshimitsu
Talim
Seung mina
Astaroth
Voldo
Raph
Nightmare
kilik
maxi
Yungsung
Apparently Spawn is ridiculous, and Hiachi is really good as well.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
LMFAO necrid was soooo broken. its funny looking back on it with no idea of the tier list at the time, i always thought to myself "this character is just NOT FAIR"
i can see cervi and i vy being top, but X i had no idea.
its funny cuz my 3 mains were maxi, kilik and rapheal at the time. lol low tier FTW.
anyway,uhh.. falco has dair so him > sheik...or something.. >_>
i can see cervi and i vy being top, but X i had no idea.
its funny cuz my 3 mains were maxi, kilik and rapheal at the time. lol low tier FTW.
anyway,uhh.. falco has dair so him > sheik...or something.. >_>
forward
Smash Champion
Wasn't the best SC2 player a Voldo player? I think his name was Ari or something.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Mick's Cassandra was pretty.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Both characters **** each other on/offstage.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
the difference is falco can't gimp sheik, he has to hit her far away and make her use her jump befor ehe can start ****** her.
sheik is just mean.
sheik is just mean.
metashinryu
Smash Ace
i have to use falco vs sheiks when im serious about winning(but im dropping that ,it will be better to learn the matchup instead of having a counter)
but for real,sheik cant do much aside of gimpin you when lasering around and playing as gay as you can...
but for real,sheik cant do much aside of gimpin you when lasering around and playing as gay as you can...
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If you're one of the sisters you can block --> 236 B on it I think? I don't remember.
you can do what KK said
or just nair really fast after your shine
zhu does it to me all the time, if you do nair fast enough it beats sheik's nair
then just pull back so you dont get grabbed in case they don't nair
unknown522
Some guy
I didn't know that. I thought it was some ivy player. (forgot the name).
Also, kira's post is correct, but I though shine-> grab didn't work vs the n-air unless the sheik is too slow and the falco is perfect....
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falco's Shine gives +3 (10 for shield stun, but 5 gets eaten by hitlag, and 2 more get eaten by simply not being able to jump out on those frames).
So to figure out how much time Sheik has to do whatever against Falco's shine-grab, we have to figure out what the frame works out to be.
Shine advantage - Time to perform action = Time Sheik has to punish
3 - (1 JC + 7 Grab) = -5
So Sheik has 5 frames to punish.
Since Sheik's Nair has a frame 3 startup on a frame 4 jump (meaning she can do actions and is airborne on frame 4), the earliest she can get Nair out is frame 6.
So no, she can't.
unknown522
Some guy
the more you know.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
If my frame math is wrong someone please tell me.
nope, your frame math is correct
Michael_BluFalco
Smash Journeyman
depends if this shiek is called Amsah!! btw i dunno this match up seems to favour shiek........................