Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[7NATOR]

I do think Nintendo might try to negotiate for Resident Evil again for a Playable character, Since I can tell that Nintendo either wanted Resident Evil or Monster Hunter to be apart of the DLC

It will just have to be for whatever is after Smash UFighter Pass 2

 

[Perkilator]

Cash Banooca. We all want Cash Banooca.

FTFY

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I don't really think people would be upset about Hayabusa. No more than the inevitable portion of people who'd be upset with any character.
Anyhow, I have nothing against sword users. I only have a problem - less a problem, more just a pet peeve - with uninteresting sword users, of which there's only been one of in Ultimate's DLC cycle. Hero wields a sword, and they're interesting. Pyra/Mythra are a goddamn sword and they're super interesting.

Hayabusa's sword guy archetype would immediately be drowned out by the fact that he is a Ninja. Ninjas are cool!

 

[Momotsuki]

Since I can tell that Nintendo either wanted Resident Evil or Monster Hunter to be apart of the DLC

You can...? That's crazy...

 

[NessAtc.]

Hayabusa's sword guy archetype would immediately be drowned out by the fact that he is a Ninja. Ninjas are cool!

And we have 3 in smash already! yay!

Don't bother with archetypes. Just like a character for what they are rather than what they represent.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

And we have 3 in smash already! yay!

Don't bother with archetypes. Just like a character for what they are rather than what they represent.

I thought we had two? Sheik, Greninja… who’s the third?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I do think Nintendo might try to negotiate for Resident Evil again for a Playable character, Since I can tell that Nintendo either wanted Resident Evil or Monster Hunter to be apart of the DLC

It will just have to be for whatever is after Smash UFighter Pass 2

Maybe Nintendo wanted them, but Sakurai wasn't interested with working that much with the franchise because Resident evil might be hard to do a fun and original moveset (because the character don't really have any special power or abilities and they use guns like Snake).

 

[Perkilator]

Maybe Nintendo wanted them, but Sakurai wasn't interested with working that much with the franchise because Resident evil might be hard to do a fun and original moveset (because the character don't really have any special power or abilities and they use guns like Snake).

I still think they could work. Capcom could make it work back when they included RE characters in MvC games after 2.

 

[Technomage]

Okay so since speculation is kinda meh at the moment who do you all want as the final character. No rules other than it has to be a video game character obviously.

Describe their trailer, who’s in it, what’s happening, what cgi characters from in the game already are going to appear and why those specific characters etc.

Either Crash or Freddy.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I thought we had two? Sheik, Greninja… who’s the third?

Either Crash or Freddy.

I read these two in rapid succession. lol

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I read these two in rapid succession. lol

I didn’t know Crash and Freddy were ninjas

 

[Technomage]

I didn’t know Crash and Freddy were ninjas

Well, how else do the animatronics seemingly teleport?

 

[MattX20]

I would go with the Heavy from TF2, animated entirely in Source Filmmaker (bar gameplay). So no other characters would appear, except those from TF2.

Actually maybe SFM could be used for any Valve character trailer, if Valve/Sakurai wanted to of course.

The Heavy would be an interesting choice

 

[CannonStreak]

The Heavy would be an interesting choice

I can imagine one of his special moves being the sandwich, or sandvich, which heals him some. Like the Wonder Wing or whatever side B move Bajno-Kazooie have, he only has five sandviches per life.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Well, how else do the animatronics seemingly teleport?

Ok but how do you explain Crash

 

[Technomage]

Ok but how do you explain Crash

Dunno at the moment.

 

[Perkilator]

Ok but how do you explain Crash

How else do you think he managed to go through Stormy Ascent and live?

 

[7NATOR]

You can...? That's crazy...

It's not anything supported by Official statements, but there are some big context clues to suggest that Nintendo probably did want Resident Evil or Monster Hunter

-The biggest hint for me is through the Franchises already represented through the DLC, In particular Dragon Quest, Minecraft, and Tekken

With these 3 franchises, Nintendo was namedropped or hinted as a Big reason why these Franchises were added in. In Minecraft and Tekken's case, Sakurai had a very hard time figuring out how to implement these through characters, and is probably why they had to wait till FP2 to be in. Nintendo was also the reason Sakurai and Nintendo met up with Square for Dragon Quest, since Sakurai didn't think it be possible to get Dragon Quest into Smash

This is different from every other Franchise/Character represented in Smash DLC (Except for Byleth) since Nintendo wasn't mentioned in the reasons they got in. I'm not saying the other Characters or Franchises weren't chosen by Nintendo, as they wouldn't be in the Pass otherwise, but I think it's obvious that Nintendo had priority in certain choices

Byleth was added to represent a Game that people would be playing Now, but Dragon Quest, Minecraft, and Tekken were probably added because all 3 share similarities with each other

-They are Huge franchises, in terms of Sales, Legacy, appeal. We are talking 50 Million Sales and Higher here

-They all appeal to New audiences not tapped through Smash yet

Resident Evil is the Biggest Franchise Capcom has at the moment, selling 110 Million copies, which if we compare the DLC in the Smash, only Minecraft and Final Fantasy surpass that number, however With Final Fantasy Cloud is already in the game. Resident Evil also taps into an really untapped audience with the Horror Genre.

Monster Hunter is also no slouch as it as 72 Million Sales, and Also the Best Selling Capcom game in Monster Hunter World. It also especially is a phenomenon in Japan, and with Nintendo audiences

With the fact that These Franchises are as big as they are (and we also have to take into account other media like the Resident Evil Movies), the fact they are still heavily relevant (if not the most relevant they've been in their history), and that Capcom is already tangled with Smash, I really don't see anyway that Nintendo didn't try to go for Resident Evil or Monster Hunter

-There have been rumors that there were discussions for both Resident Evil and Monster Hunter, but the negotiations had fallen through somehow. The Former rumor was paraded by Indiegamerchick, which also got paraded by Papagenos. The Latter wasn't suggested by Imran Kahn, however it wasn't actually said to be Monster Hunter, but it was heavily suggested

Ultimately we wouldn't know why the talks had fallen through, but I don't think it was on Nintendo's part, but was probably on the part of Capcom, or Sakurai if he had a hard time figuring how to pull of these franchises as Playable characters

I do think that talks will be tried again for Playable characters, at least for one of these Franchises, Especially as we get to a point where choices for Japanese Franchises are gonna be more Niche and Niche in nature, and Nintendo is gonna have to rely on Western Franchises to get some big Franchises, which we know talks quite a bit longer in talks than with Japanese Companies like Capcom

 

[DarthEnderX]

Eh not really

People would be upset about Hayabusa and I’d be losing my ****. A soul for a soul.

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[NessAtc.]

I do think that talks will be tried again for Playable characters, at least for one of these Franchises, Especially as we get to a point where choices for Japanese Franchises are gonna be more Niche and Niche in nature, and Nintendo is gonna have to rely on Western Franchises to get some big Franchises, which we know talks quite a bit longer in talks than with Japanese Companies like Capcom

Or they just... tap into more of their own IP? They've already been doing that, after all. Nintendo wouldn't need to "rely" on anything for big franchises, and them going for an FF7 double dip should be a dead giveaway.

 

[Polan]

with monster hunter we actually do know why they didnt happen since apparently the MH team doesnt like the hunters appearing in fighting games. which is ****ing lame but whatever.

Spoiler

Siliconera on March 2011: Considering its popularity, I was surprised Monster Hunter didn’t make it into Marvel vs. Capcom 3 in some way. Seth Killian: Certainly they were on the list and we actually made a proposal to the Monster Hunter team and producer. The answer I believe came back was no. You don’t just have to have the idea to have the character. You also have to get permission from the producer of that series to include the character and however they are implemented. They thought it wasn’t a good fit for the game and maybe they’re right. The hunter is sort of a malleable personality, rather than a super strong character in Monster Hunter since he’s so customizable. From there where do you go? Like a Felyne? A Poogie? I don’t know. A Lagiacrus or something like that. I don’t know what you’re going to put in there from Monster Hunter. So, anyway it didn’t work out. They’re just too cool for us.

mvci probably ruined it for everyone

 

[RoboFist]

If this is purely based on evidence and nothing else, I'm thinking a SEGA or Capcom rep are the most likely. A new company seems unlikely, not only due to COVID-19 screwing up communications, but because it seems that Nintendo is playing it safe with companies they already worked with in the past, so I don't expect anything from Koei Tecmo, Level 5, Arc System or anything of the like, maybe not Ubisoft because of Rayman.

Why?
For SEGA:
-They haven't gotten anything in this Fighter's Pass, not even a single mii costume
-Strong candidates, among them a Sonic rep or Puyo Puyo
-Most loyal company out of the bunch, so maybe Nintendo could ''reward them''
-Apparently negotations were made, both for the Sonic spirit event and the trailer collabs

For Capcom:
-Incredibly weird that we haven't got a single newcomer (aside from Ken) when everyone else got at least one
-Even weirder considering all the Capcom miis and the RE spirit event, which means negotations could've been made
-Capcom has some of the most iconic franchises in gaming, even comparable to many of Ninty's top dogs
-Speaking of which, RE didn't get a costume and it's their best selling franchise not in the game
Edit: Now I'm aware that they got a spirit event, but that's exactly why I'm leaning towards it. Since RE got overlooked in a similar way Tekken was while also being in a grey area.

I will say that it does feel downright bizarre that we haven't gotten a new DLC rep from these two companies in particular. It was almost as weird as Namco not getting anybody new, and that was finally remedied with Kazuya. With one slot left, I'm kind of hoping it's someone from either of these two companies.

I know a lot of people are hyping up Arle or Eggman or the SMTV protag, but I think a real sleeper pick and one I think is actually extremely likely is Sakura Shinguji and her Spiricle Armor from Sakura Wars.

Sakura Wars is a huge Sega title in Japan and does have quite a few ties to Nintendo (like this absolutely gorgeous SW-themed Gameboy Color). Sega just started bringing the franchise to the west in 2019 with "Shin Sakura Taisen" (or just "Sakura Wars" here in the States) and it seems like they're really trying to push the franchise hard over here. A couple of leaks have pointed to a Switch port being worked on, and when asked about the rumors, the director said, “We certainly want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy the Sakura Wars series. We’re actively researching where the most demand exists for the games and weighing what steps we can take to make other options a reality.”

This isn't 100% proof or whatever, but if Sega really wants to cement Sakura Wars as a must-have title, there's no greater advertisement than getting a fighter into Smash.

And yes you could argue that it's another anime sword fighter...but at least it's a giant mech anime swordfighter.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Speaking of Ninja Gaiden I'd love for Koei Tecmo to either develop (or let an indie studio try) a retro 2D Ninja Gaiden title. Cyber Shadow and the Messenger already show how much value the genre still has, and essentially getting the 16 or 32 bit NG game we never got (with the trilogy on SNES being a bit underwelming) would be a cool novelty.

 

[SharkLord]

with monster hunter we actually do know why they didnt happen since apparently the MH team doesnt like the hunters appearing in fighting games. which is ****ing lame but whatever. mvci probably ruined it for everyone

That interview was a decade ago, and either way MvCI wasn't the reason for that statement when it happened like five years later.

At least, I think it was five years.

MvCI was a 2016 release, right?

 

[Technomage]

And yes you could argue that it's another anime sword fighter...but at least it's a giant mech anime swordfighter.

Yeah, at least a mech with a sword would have plenty of uniqueness compared to a normal swordie; though what functions does Sakura's mech have?

Speaking of Ninja Gaiden I'd love for Koei Tecmo to either develop (or let an indie studio try) a retro 2D Ninja Gaiden title. Cyber Shadow and the Messenger already show how much value the genre still has, and essentially getting the 16 or 32 bit NG game we never got (with the trilogy on SNES being a bit underwelming) would be a cool novelty.

That does sound cool; I'd also find it even cooler if they included some DoA stuff into the game (like maybe a Kasumi mode).

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Hayabusa's sword guy archetype would immediately be drowned out by the fact that he is a Ninja. Ninjas are cool!

And he uses scythes, claws, staves, kuirgama, nunchaku, all that good stuff. If he did make it in it seems rather unlikely he’d be a strict sword user.

 

[Perkilator]

That interview was a decade ago, and either way MvCI wasn't the reason for that statement when it happened like five years later.

At least, I think it was five years.

MvCI was a 2016 release, right?

2017.

But either way, Infinite was years later. People can change their minds in that time.

 

[7NATOR]

Or they just... tap into more of their own IP? They've already been doing that, after all. Nintendo wouldn't need to "rely" on anything for big franchises, and them going for an FF7 double dip should be a dead giveaway.

Nintendo seems adamant about wanting to branch Smash onto as many audiences as it can, and that part of the reason it seems Dragon Quest, Minecraft, and Tekken were such a priority in terms of what Nintendo wanted

And I think they will take that same attitude into the future of Smash as well. Of course I do think they will tap into more of the I.P's already represented in Smash, and they have done that

But in regards to Sephiroth, I don't think Sephiroth was a much of a priority for the DLC as Dragon Quest, Minecraft, and Tekken seemed to be, if the comments are anything to go by. Like I said, If Nintendo didn't want Sephiroth to be DLC, Sephiroth wouldn't be DLC, but I don't think Nintendo would have chosen Sephiroth over Dragon Quest if there was only one pass

Nintendo does see the Importance in Appealing to the audience already invested into Smash, and in cases like Pokemon where Different Generations gain new fans, it is important to also do this. but I find that Nintendo prioritizes expanding Smash to include as many audiences as they can. It's pretty much a philosophy they also use in regards to the Switch Selection, but just condensed into one game in Smash

 

[Perkilator]

I will say that it does feel downright bizarre that we haven't gotten a new DLC rep from these two companies in particular. It was almost as weird as Namco not getting anybody new, and that was finally remedied with Kazuya. With one slot left, I'm kind of hoping it's someone from either of these two companies.

I know a lot of people are hyping up Arle or Eggman or the SMTV protag, but I think a real sleeper pick and one I think is actually extremely likely is Sakura Shinguji and her Spiricle Armor from Sakura Wars.

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Sakura Wars is a huge Sega title in Japan and does have quite a few ties to Nintendo (like this absolutely gorgeous SW-themed Gameboy Color). Sega just started bringing the franchise to the west in 2019 with "Shin Sakura Taisen" (or just "Sakura Wars" here in the States) and it seems like they're really trying to push the franchise hard over here. A couple of leaks have pointed to a Switch port being worked on, and when asked about the rumors, the director said, “We certainly want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy the Sakura Wars series. We’re actively researching where the most demand exists for the games and weighing what steps we can take to make other options a reality.”

This isn't 100% proof or whatever, but if Sega really wants to cement Sakura Wars as a must-have title, there's no greater advertisement than getting a fighter into Smash.

And yes you could argue that it's another anime sword fighter...but at least it's a giant mech anime swordfighter.

100% this. Makes me wish Sakura was the first fighter in Vol. 1 (no offense to Persona fans).

 

[ahemtoday]

I mean, the Monster Hunter team was clearly okay with just putting in Rathalos as the major rep and calling it a day, so they haven't quite done a 180 on that.

Still, though, considering MVCI, it's obvious that part of the interview isn't completely accurate anymore, either.

 

[PeridotGX]

I will say that it does feel downright bizarre that we haven't gotten a new DLC rep from these two companies in particular. It was almost as weird as Namco not getting anybody new, and that was finally remedied with Kazuya. With one slot left, I'm kind of hoping it's someone from either of these two companies.

I know a lot of people are hyping up Arle or Eggman or the SMTV protag, but I think a real sleeper pick and one I think is actually extremely likely is Sakura Shinguji and her Spiricle Armor from Sakura Wars.

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Sakura Wars is a huge Sega title in Japan and does have quite a few ties to Nintendo (like this absolutely gorgeous SW-themed Gameboy Color). Sega just started bringing the franchise to the west in 2019 with "Shin Sakura Taisen" (or just "Sakura Wars" here in the States) and it seems like they're really trying to push the franchise hard over here. A couple of leaks have pointed to a Switch port being worked on, and when asked about the rumors, the director said, “We certainly want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy the Sakura Wars series. We’re actively researching where the most demand exists for the games and weighing what steps we can take to make other options a reality.”

This isn't 100% proof or whatever, but if Sega really wants to cement Sakura Wars as a must-have title, there's no greater advertisement than getting a fighter into Smash.

And yes you could argue that it's another anime sword fighter...but at least it's a giant mech anime swordfighter.

there's only one sega rep worth adding

look at this gaming icon

 

[CannonStreak]

there's only one sega rep worth adding
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Oh, I'd love Vectorman! He'd be good to play as!

 

[Polan]

That interview was a decade ago, and either way MvCI wasn't the reason for that statement when it happened like five years later.

At least, I think it was five years.

MvCI was a 2016 release, right?

at least for the base game, i presume nintendo and capcom didnt want to step on each other's toes with the hunter so we got rathalos. then mvci flopped and the MH team probably soured on doing fighting game collabs.

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Or... they could pull the rug out from under us with a Sunsoft rep, Jason and Sophia from the Blaster Master series! With a dual moveset allowing a relatively effective heavyweight zoner and a lightweight combo character in one, not to mention the originality of a LITERAL TANK in the Smash series, I can see them being a solid choice! Especially since Inti have been releasing the Zero titles for the series. Genuine sleeper pick, I feel like - especially when you consider it has a degree of historical significance to Nintendo too!

 

[RoboFist]

Yeah, at least a mech with a sword would have plenty of uniqueness compared to a normal swordie; though what functions does Sakura's mech have?

Sakura's is pretty sword-based, but also has a bunch of guns and can even utilize magic.

Think Bowser's weight/size, Ganondorf's (lack of) speed, Sephiroth's sword, Bayo's guns, and Robin's spells, with a pinch of Pyra-level fan service.

there's only one sega rep worth adding
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look at this gaming icon

You madman, I'll take it.

 

[Inferno7]

I will say that it does feel downright bizarre that we haven't gotten a new DLC rep from these two companies in particular. It was almost as weird as Namco not getting anybody new, and that was finally remedied with Kazuya. With one slot left, I'm kind of hoping it's someone from either of these two companies.

I know a lot of people are hyping up Arle or Eggman or the SMTV protag, but I think a real sleeper pick and one I think is actually extremely likely is Sakura Shinguji and her Spiricle Armor from Sakura Wars.

View attachment 321884

Sakura Wars is a huge Sega title in Japan and does have quite a few ties to Nintendo (like this absolutely gorgeous SW-themed Gameboy Color). Sega just started bringing the franchise to the west in 2019 with "Shin Sakura Taisen" (or just "Sakura Wars" here in the States) and it seems like they're really trying to push the franchise hard over here. A couple of leaks have pointed to a Switch port being worked on, and when asked about the rumors, the director said, “We certainly want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy the Sakura Wars series. We’re actively researching where the most demand exists for the games and weighing what steps we can take to make other options a reality.”

This isn't 100% proof or whatever, but if Sega really wants to cement Sakura Wars as a must-have title, there's no greater advertisement than getting a fighter into Smash.

And yes you could argue that it's another anime sword fighter...but at least it's a giant mech anime swordfighter.

I've seen Sakura being mentioned in fake leaks and whatsoever, so I'm aware of her existence.
I must also add that Phantasy Star is up there too, it's a game that Sakurai has close ties to and would possibly be used as some sort of promo pick for westerners that aren't into the franchise.

That being said, the biggest hurdle here is Nintendo itself, since they have been wanting to promote the bigger franchises as shown within this pass, with cases such as Tekken (over the likes of Dark Souls and Tales of) and Minecraft (which means no Chief, apparently...). On the big scheme of things, both Sonic and Puyo Puyo fill this quota, and I think each case is pretty much self-explanatory: Sonic is a very iconic and recognizable brand that draws in the attention from both casuals and hardcore gamers while also being SEGA's best selling and profitable franchise by miles, meanwhile Puyo Puyo is something akin to a phenomenon in the east, however, it is very niche overseas so Nintendo could capitalize on that with a DLC fighter.

I just can't see either Phantasy Star or Sakura Wars getting in before these 2.

 

[Technomage]

Sakura's is pretty sword-based, but also has a bunch of guns and can even utilize magic.

Think Bowser's weight/size, Ganondorf's (lack of) speed, Sephiroth's sword, Bayo's guns, and Robin's spells, with a pinch of Pyra-level fan service.

Interesting, makes me more interested in Sakura getting into Smash with that mech, but Pyra-level fanservice? I'm not sure about that; sure she's got a couple swimsuit scenes, but her boobs are normal-sized.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The issue with Sakura Wars is that in the grand scheme of things Nintendo has played it fairly safe with the DLC. Even the most geographically popularity lopsided fighters in Banjo-Kazooie & Hero weren't exactly obscure in their counterpart's regions and the third party selections specifically have pretty much been characters well known in the West and Japan (with Terry and Kazuya simply being better known in both area's respective fighting game circles).

Granted with the last fighter they can really do whatever they want with minimal risk, but DLC selections have felt generally geared towards world appeal more often than not.

 

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

To be completely fair. Tekken was “disconfirmed” at Min Min so y’know there is something there. Not much but something.

Still I can’t see any of the other unrepresented Capcom characters as particularly likely. Phoenix maybe, but that’s pretty much it. Unless by some miracle an RE character still happens.

I can technically see Amaterasu being chosen as a "Sakurai pick" due to her visual and mechanical distinction compared to other possible fighters but even then that requires Nintendo and Capcom execs to give the go-ahead, which I don't see it happening.

That said, it's strange that I consider her the 2nd likeliest Capcom pick now, but only through sheer process of elimination as most of the competition has either been "disconfirmed" or had their chances severely damaged over time.

 

[Perkilator]

The issue with Sakura Wars is that in the grand scheme of things Nintendo has played it fairly safe with the DLC. Even the most geographically popularity lopsided fighters in Banjo-Kazooie & Hero weren't exactly obscure in their counterpart's regions and the third party selections specifically have pretty much been characters well known in the West and Japan (with Terry and Kazuya simply being better known in both area's respective fighting game circles).

Granted with the last fighter they can really do whatever they want with minimal risk, but DLC selections have felt generally geared towards world appeal more often than not.

You think Sakura being the first fighter of Vol. 1 would've painted a slightly better impression, appeal-wise?

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