Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SharkLord]

I believe this is the remix Sharklord is referring too as being done by someone who did a Touhou cover.

Specifically MASAKI.

Yep, that's the one. They've also done this remix

So we know Nintendo's fine with Touhou covers
EDIT: This one too

 

[ahemtoday]

Well, as long as we're on the subject of Touhou fan content, I wonder what they'd do regarding Bad Apple. It's, like, one of three songs that people outside the fanbase would actually know - and probably the most known among them. The problem being... the version that's known is a fan cover. Which wouldn't be a problem, except it doesn't really resemble the original all that much. I feel like you'd have to include it, but if you went with the original, nobody would recognize it. Is going with the fan version, or a remix inspired by the fan version, plausible? It doesn't seem likely to me, but between Megalovania, Grant Kirkhope. and the SNK rainstorm, there's been enough surprises regarding music that I could see it happening.

 

[Technomage]

If you kill Dharkon alone, yes. My headcanon is Hero’s is after the Dark Bad Ending if you kill only Galeem and Dharkon reigns supreme

I NEED to see a Final Battle trailer vs both of them

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

 

[7NATOR]

If you kill Dharkon alone, yes. My headcanon is Hero’s is after the Dark Bad Ending if you kill only Galeem and Dharkon reigns supreme

I NEED to see a Final Battle trailer vs both of them

I believe Dharkon Imprisons Galeem in his ending, before corruption the universe in Darkness. the ending shot with Dharkon is also where we first start Hero's Trailer

So it does seem to go into Hero's trailer, to Sephiroth's Trailer in Canon order, since it's assumed Hero helps the Heroes defeat Dharkon, than Galeem is freed and everyone starts getting washed before Sephiroth comes in

The thing is that both should be dead at this point, especially Galeem. I do think they should Resurrect somehow and that's how we get a Trailer based off the True ending

But Right now in the Canon, we started the Smash tournament back up, since Min Min and Pyra/Mythra were both spirits, but they were invited after WOL finished. Also Sephiroth appears in the gameplay of Pyra/Mythra

Well, as long as we're on the subject of Touhou fan content, I wonder what they'd do regarding Bad Apple. It's, like, one of three songs that people outside the fanbase would actually know - and probably the most known among them. The problem being... the version that's known is a fan cover. Which wouldn't be a problem, except it doesn't really resemble the original all that much. I feel like you'd have to include it, but if you went with the original, nobody would recognize it. Is going with the fan version, or a remix inspired by the fan version, plausible? It doesn't seem likely to me, but between Megalovania, Grant Kirkhope. and the SNK rainstorm, there's been enough surprises regarding music that I could see it happening.

I would assume the Smash team will try their own hand at a Bad Apple remix. They could also include the Original as an homage, but I would assume they do their own remix that will be recognizable to people who are familiar with the remix

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I believe Dharkon Imprisons Galeem in his ending, before corruption the universe in Darkness. the ending shot with Dharkon is also where we first start Hero's Trailer

So it does seem to go into Hero's trailer, to Sephiroth's Trailer in Canon order, since it's assumed Hero helps the Heroes defeat Dharkon, than Galeem is freed and everyone starts getting washed before Sephiroth comes in

The thing is that both should be dead at this point, especially Galeem. I do think they should Resurrect somehow and that's how we get a Trailer based off the True ending

But Right now in the Canon, we started the Smash tournament back up, since Min Min and Pyra/Mythra were both spirits, but they were invited after WOL finished. Also Sephiroth appears in the gameplay of Pyra/Mythra




I would assume the Smash team will try their own hand at a Bad Apple remix. They could also include the Original as an homage, but I would assume they do their own remix that will be recognizable to people who are familiar with the remix

Allow me to introduce to you the concept of

parallel universes

in Hero’s, the gang ****s up by killing Galeem first, Dharkon imprisons them and controls everyone except Link who held out long enough for Hero to show up

in Sephiroth’s trailer it can be implied the crew already disposed of Dharkon so Galeem’s about to T-pose on them all when Sephiroth is like nope.avi and wrecks their **** before going all “my city now”

they’re not directly connected to one another and are more like alternate outcomes

really tho who cares this is all some big official fanfiction

 

[SharkLord]

Well, as long as we're on the subject of Touhou fan content, I wonder what they'd do regarding Bad Apple. It's, like, one of three songs that people outside the fanbase would actually know - and probably the most known among them. The problem being... the version that's known is a fan cover. Which wouldn't be a problem, except it doesn't really resemble the original all that much. I feel like you'd have to include it, but if you went with the original, nobody would recognize it. Is going with the fan version, or a remix inspired by the fan version, plausible? It doesn't seem likely to me, but between Megalovania, Grant Kirkhope. and the SNK rainstorm, there's been enough surprises regarding music that I could see it happening.

Well, it is one of the most iconic covers out there. Heck, it even got on bloody CNN (Who then got many facts wrong). After all the crazy %$#@ that's gone down, I can see it getting added.

On the topic of famous fan-remixes, I can also see Night of Nights getting added. The composer actually did an official remix of Lunatic Eyes for Touhou 15.5, so ZUN's aware of them. Bringing in their most famous work isn't out of the question, I think.

 

[7NATOR]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

I Know a character that would fit the theme of fighting both Galeem and Dharkon, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, so...

Allow me to introduce to you the concept of

parallel universes

in Hero’s, the gang ****s up by killing Galeem first, Dharkon imprisons them and controls everyone except Link who held out long enough for Hero to show up

in Sephiroth’s trailer it can be implied the crew already disposed of Dharkon so Galeem’s about to T-pose on them all when Sephiroth is like nope.avi and wrecks their **** before going all “my city now”

they’re not directly connected to one another and are more like alternate outcomes

really tho who cares this is all some big official fanfiction

I care to be honest. I find trying to tie everything into a cohesive timeline very fasicinating.

On the other hand, Parallel universes would have to exist in Smash anyway since there's multiple endings in the game already, and Base game timeline and DLC Timeline is different. DLC Timeline seems to be retconning the Base game timeline by adding in the DLC Characters

I Do enjoy both angles though. The Parallel universe angle for the DLC Trailers, which shows the different endings, but with the DLC characters. I also like (and personally prefer) the Connected Timeline angle, where the Edited endings with the DLC coincide with each other

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

My dream was Elma taking them on in a Skell like if they were Tyrants, with Uncontrollable blasting

sadly it seems that dream is dead...

 

[Pillow]

I Know a character that would fit the theme of fighting both Galeem and Dharkon, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, so...

I also want to see Hatsune Miku in Smash, screw the haters.

 

[Technomage]

really tho who cares

I'd bet the likes of Game Theory would care.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Sora would fit rather well as a continuation for both Hero's or Sephiroth's trailers.

Having in Hero's trailer that Hero and Link are about to be defeated but then Dharkon is destroyed by what appears to be light before revealing Sora.

With Sephiroth's trailer. It would involve Sora coming in to help Cloud fight Sephiroth.

 

[Otoad64]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

Master Chief and Sora? Not by themselves of course

 

[chocolatejr9]

I also want to see Hatsune Miku in Smash, screw the haters.

Grey Area Picks for the win!

 

[7NATOR]

I also want to see Hatsune Miku in Smash, screw the haters.

Is it because Songs are a reflection of Life itself, which comes with the Light and Darkness in terms of the world, and because Hatsune is known for covering songs that reflect all the emotions, both in the Light and Dark, she is perfectly capable of finding the balance between each, meaning she's capable of Going against Galeem and Dharkon?

 

[Pillow]

Is it because Songs are a reflection of Life itself, which comes with the Light and Darkness in terms of the world, and because Hatsune is known for covering songs that reflect all the emotions, both in the Light and Dark, she is perfectly capable of finding the balance between each, meaning she's capable of Going against Galeem and Dharkon?

Uhh...sure let's go with that

 

[Super Devon]

If you kill Dharkon alone, yes. My headcanon is Hero’s is after the Dark Bad Ending if you kill only Galeem and Dharkon reigns supreme

I disagree with that notion because was still alive in Hero’s trailer, so this could’ve been taken place at the dark realm area

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I disagree with that notion because was still alive in Hero’s trailer, so this could’ve been taken place at the dark realm area

Counterpoint: in the Dark Bad Ending, the darkness spreads all over the world and we briefly see Mario slumping to his knees, it can be understood Dharkon controlled him first, then the control spread like a disease

bad timing? Probably...

 

[Inue Houji]

MASAKI is part of Taito's inhouse band ZUNTATA. He doesn't really have anything to do with Touhou.
He's also done solo work for rhythm games.

Spoiler: Music

 

[ZelDan]

Wasn't there a game that had both Kirby and Reimu in it?

Considering how much Sakurai likes Kirby (classic Kirby atleast), Maybe Kirby putting in a good word for Reimu would really help her chances.

 

[cashregister9]

Wasn't there a game that had both Kirby and Reimu in it?

Considering how much Sakurai likes Kirby (classic Kirby atleast), Maybe Kirby putting in a good word for Reimu would really help her chances.

Taiko Drum Master theory?

 

[Otoad64]

Taiko Drum Master theory?

I got really confused for a second because I thought that was an rpg with Kirby, Phoenix Wright and Jibanyan

 

[Megadoomer]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

Doomguy? Considering that some of the enemies in Doom Eternal look like this:

 

[Cutie Gwen]

• Actually good comparison between plants, fungi and the Touhou fanbase
• Casually discussing eating history

...You know what, you've convinced me, I'll give the series an actual shot when I have a chance. Any useful links to share? I don't think it's available on Steam.

I recommend Luna Nights, it's a MetroidVania which takes some very interesting concepts like making you not want to spend money, giving you almost total access to the ability to stop time, Graze which makes you want to get crazy instead of safely running away to fire pot shots and a great challenge. The Switch version seems to have an extra boss fight as I couldn't fight her in the Steam version. It's also made by the people who made the SMT MetroidVania

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Doomguy? Considering that some of the enemies in Doom Eternal look like this:

Yeah but he's deconfirmed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

An easy suggestion is Demifiend, SMT's basically Heaven and Hell in a full on war and you get to decide the outcome, one of the most iconic artwork pieces of the guy has him beat the **** out of an Oni and an Angel

I scribbled on the Angel just in caseher outfit was deemed too skimpy

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Still not entirely sure how I feel on companies like Konami and Bethesda being deconfirmed with a solid 1 Mii Costume.

It feels like one of those could simply have been a bonus to bolster other challenger packs.

Its still not great for their chances and I admit I am biased heavily here, but I’m skeptical of it being a proper deconfirmation.

 

[DarthEnderX]

You could just do what I did and choose your three favorites from each generation.

Still too much work. I'll just post this since I already had it made:

 

[SharkLord]

Taiko Drum Master theory?

I will never be able to get over the sheer audacity of this crossover.

On the topic of Touhou crossovers, there's also the official Hello Kitty crossover.

【東方Project × サンリオキャラクターズ】
コラボ第1弾の全8組＆等身大イラスト4組を公開🎀✨
10/18開催『第七回博麗神社秋季例大祭』企02「AKIBA-HOBBY」にて、『トレーディング缶バッジ』(350円＋税)『アクリルキーホルダー』(各900円＋税)の先行発売が決定！続報をお楽しみにね★　#東方Project pic.twitter.com/7hRgqnMOYR

— サンリオアニメモバイル【公式】 (@Sanrio_Apps) October 15, 2020

Considering how Hello Kitty is the second most profitable brand in the world... Yeah. Not something you'd expect just by looking at the shooters.

Still not entirely sure how I feel on companies like Konami and Bethesda being deconfirmed with a solid 1 Mii Costume.

It feels like one of those could simply have been a bonus to bolster other challenger packs.

Its still not great for their chances and I admit I am biased heavily here, but I’m skeptical of it being a proper deconfirmation.

I agree, but there was also an interview a while back where Bethesda went into detail about how they brought up Smash and Doomguy with Nintendo and nothing came out of it. It's by far the most in-depth and explicit of the interview deconfirms, and it's also why Doomguy's been largely written off.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Still not entirely sure how I feel on companies like Konami and Bethesda being deconfirmed with a solid 1 Mii Costume.

It feels like one of those could simply have been a bonus to bolster other challenger packs.

Its still not great for their chances and I admit I am biased heavily here, but I’m skeptical of it being a proper deconfirmation.

You forgot Ubisoft with Altaïr

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

You forgot Ubisoft with Altaïr

Didn’t Altair also come with a Rabbids Mii Costumes? Still a similar scenario thiugh so I wouldn’t entirely count Ubisoft out either.

 

[SKX31]

Taiko Drum Master theory?

Reimu looks like she's 100 % done with everything that happened here and is just waiting for the paycheck at this point. Or she's waiting for that Smash invitation, I dunno.

Which is the best thing about this pic and I'm not going to accept any other arguments.

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

As much as my most wanted is so incredibly unlikely, Dota 2 would fit this hypotheoretically. The two teams - Radiant and Dire (think Elves and Demons basically - Dota 1 had WarCraft III's Sentinel and Scourge as the teams) are each lead by a Galeem and Dharkon-esque figure (The Ancients), and just like in Smash both Radiant's and Dire's Ancients are massive assholes that corrupted entire lands akin to Galeem and Dharkon. Those that fall under the Ancients' influence become Dota's creeps - mindless footsoldiers, akin to the Spirits. Why? Because both Ancients' backstories were them warring with each other in the Mad Moon, and they just couldn't stop fighting even after the Mad Moon blew up and the Ancients crashlanded.

And the playable characters, the Heroes, are basically characters more or less immune to the Ancients' corrupting influence and join as mercs for hire. The story's mostly there to explain why the Heroes fight one game on the Radiant side, the next on the Dire. Although given that Dota's getting an anime soon, Valve might look to change that up a bit and give each Hero's backstory a bit more to them. As it stands currently, the Heroes' backstories are pretty much confined to a lore blurb and references in game - they're really in the background.

Didn’t Altair also come with a Rabbids Mii Costumes? Still a similar scenario thiugh so I wouldn’t entirely count Ubisoft out either.

Yes, the Rabbids hat came alongside Altaïr in Byleth's wave.

 

[Louie G.]

Yea, it's hard for me to ignore the Mii costume and how scummy it would be to release Tails after that. I probably wouldn't complain for too long because I prefer Tails over Eggman, but I still feel like they would avoid that just because of how it looks. I hope I'm wrong because Tails is such an endearing and awesome character to me. I've been playing Sonic games since they came out on the Genesis.

Two things about this - first one being that it's abundantly clear Nintendo doesn't give a **** about how their business practices look LOL. They've been scummy as hell right in front of our eyes more times than I can count. If they feel that Tails is a profitable choice for a playable character I can't imagine them hesitating to sell him again.

The other one is that I honestly don't think it's all that scummy in the first place. Let's put it into perspective - Mii Costumes cost a little bit over one dollar. Tails came out nearly two years ago now. How many people are going to make a scene about losing a dollar two years ago when it's more likely they'll just be celebrating that a character they like made it into Smash? If anything, I think the illusion of playing as your favorite character for two years is worth the price of admission, and would make the actual reveal that much more exciting. And this is splitting hairs a bit, but I feel like it's worth mentioning that Smash 4 even sold costumes of characters who are already present in the game like Samus, Captain Falcon and Fox.

I think selling say, Travis or Geno as a full playable fighter would be pretty "scummy", since I think it's at least safe to say a character's Mii Costume wouldn't appear in the same pass as them, but since Tails was a full pass ago and literally the first wave of nearly ten now I don't think it would be very much of an issue. And as others stated, Tails' costume was probably one of the easiest to bring back since they ported it over from Smash 4.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Rex may have been decidedly scummier since he was used as an incentive to buy a full pass worth of content. And we know very well that Rex was planned to be a part of Pyra's moveset initially. It's just one of those things that I feel we've all kinda overthought. I do think most Mii Costumes are disconfirmed, but with Tails' costume just having been so long ago and being a reused asset as is, I think there's a lot of wiggle room.

Of course I don't blame you for thinking the way you do either - that's just what we had all accepted as the situation a while back, and outside of Rex who is a special case to begin with we haven't seen much to contradict it. But I think time has opened the opportunity up again for this particular character.

 

[SharkLord]

Reimu looks like she's 100 % done with everything that happened here and is just waiting for the paycheck at this point. Or she's waiting for that Smash invitation, I dunno.

Which is the best thing about this pic and I'm not going to accept any other arguments.

And that's pretty much her canon personality, so it's pretty accurate.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Two things about this - first one being that it's abundantly clear Nintendo doesn't give a **** about how their business practices look LOL. They've been scummy as hell right in front of our eyes more times than I can count. If they feel that Tails is a profitable choice for a playable character I can't imagine them hesitating to sell him again.

The other one is that I honestly don't think it's all that scummy in the first place. Let's put it into perspective - Mii Costumes cost a little bit over one dollar. Tails came out nearly two years ago now. How many people are going to make a scene about losing a dollar two years ago when it's more likely they'll just be celebrating that a character they like made it into Smash?

I think selling say, Travis or Geno as a full playable fighter would be pretty "scummy", since I think it's at least safe to say a character's Mii Costume wouldn't appear in the same pass as them, but since Tails was a full pass ago and literally the first wave of nearly ten now I don't think it would be very much of an issue. And as others stated, Tails' costume was probably one of the easiest to bring back since they ported it over from Smash 4.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Rex may have been decidedly scummier since he was used as an incentive to buy a full pass worth of content. And we know very well that Rex was planned to be a part of Pyra's moveset initially. It's just one of those things that I feel we've all kinda overthought. I do think most Mii Costumes are disconfirmed, but with Tails' costume just having been so long ago and being a reused asset as is, I think there's a lot of wiggle room.

Of course I don't blame you for thinking the way you do either - that's just what we had all accepted as the situation a while back, and outside of Rex who is a special case to begin with we haven't seen much to contradict it. But I think time has opened the opportunity up again for this particular character.

Tails would also make a lot of money as a DLC Fighter anyways.

 

[Gengar84]

Hmmmm, what two characters would go good with killing both a light elemental and a dark elemental in the same battle? The only one I could think of would be another Bayonetta character.

I think Laharl from Disgaea would make a lot of sense taking down both light and dark elementals. Not saying he’s likely, just that he fits.

 

[Technomage]

Doomguy? Considering that some of the enemies in Doom Eternal look like this:

Oh, so he kills angels, too? I never knew that. ^^

 

[Eldrake]

As much as my most wanted is so incredibly unlikely, Dota 2 would fit this hypotheoretically. The two teams - Radiant and Dire (think Elves and Demons basically - Dota 1 had WarCraft III's Sentinel and Scourge as the teams) are each lead by a Galeem and Dharkon-esque figure (The Ancients), and just like in Smash both Radiant's and Dire's Ancients are massive assholes that corrupted entire lands akin to Galeem and Dharkon. Those that fall under the Ancients' influence become Dota's creeps - mindless footsoldiers, akin to the Spirits. Why? Because both Ancients' backstories were them warring with each other in the Mad Moon, and they just couldn't stop fighting even after the Mad Moon blew up and the Ancients crashlanded.

And the playable characters, the Heroes, are basically characters more or less immune to the Ancients' corrupting influence and join as mercs for hire. The story's mostly there to explain why the Heroes fight one game on the Radiant side, the next on the Dire. Although given that Dota's getting an anime soon, Valve might look to change that up a bit and give each Hero's backstory a bit more to them. As it stands currently, the Heroes' backstories are pretty much confined to a lore blurb and references in game - they're really in the background.

Dragon's Blood is out on Netflix right now if you want to watch it. The Radiant and the Dire don't seem any different in the anime, or at the very least the latter since we straight up see the nightmarish effects of a single Direshard on mundane people and was very close at taking control of Mirana. It really reminded me that the Ancients aren't gods, but beyond them.

Really, the Galeem/Dharkon and Radiant/Dire comparisons are spot on, though the main difference seems to be that the Radiant is at least okay with giving some degree of free will to its minions if the existence of named Radiant creep characters are of any indication.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

What would be a good stage for Arle...?

Primp Town or Arle's Cabin if they want to go the vanilla route
Satan's Tower if they're feeling a little frisky
A location from Madou or Puyo dungeon if their taking it all the way
Puyo Puyo Land if they want to be kings of obscure references

 

[SpectreJordan]

Two things about this - first one being that it's abundantly clear Nintendo doesn't give a **** about how their business practices look LOL. They've been scummy as hell right in front of our eyes more times than I can count. If they feel that Tails is a profitable choice for a playable character I can't imagine them hesitating to sell him again.

The other one is that I honestly don't think it's all that scummy in the first place. Let's put it into perspective - Mii Costumes cost a little bit over one dollar. Tails came out nearly two years ago now. How many people are going to make a scene about losing a dollar two years ago when it's more likely they'll just be celebrating that a character they like made it into Smash? If anything, I think the illusion of playing as your favorite character for two years is worth the price of admission, and would make the actual reveal that much more exciting. And this is splitting hairs a bit, but I feel like it's worth mentioning that Smash 4 even sold costumes of characters who are already present in the game like Samus, Captain Falcon and Fox.

I think selling say, Travis or Geno as a full playable fighter would be pretty "scummy", since I think it's at least safe to say a character's Mii Costume wouldn't appear in the same pass as them, but since Tails was a full pass ago and literally the first wave of nearly ten now I don't think it would be very much of an issue. And as others stated, Tails' costume was probably one of the easiest to bring back since they ported it over from Smash 4.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Rex may have been decidedly scummier since he was used as an incentive to buy a full pass worth of content. And we know very well that Rex was planned to be a part of Pyra's moveset initially. It's just one of those things that I feel we've all kinda overthought. I do think most Mii Costumes are disconfirmed, but with Tails' costume just having been so long ago and being a reused asset as is, I think there's a lot of wiggle room.

Of course I don't blame you for thinking the way you do either - that's just what we had all accepted as the situation a while back, and outside of Rex who is a special case to begin with we haven't seen much to contradict it. But I think time has opened the opportunity up again for this particular character.

I think only a small minority of people would actually get upset that they spent a dollar on a Mii costume that becomes a fighter. If you like the character enough to buy a stupid Mii costume, then you’ll be overjoyed if they became a real character. Especially for one with a stupid costume like Tails.

I only buy Mii costumes to show my support towards certain characters tbh. I imagine if they see a ton of people buying a Mii costume of someone, they’d consider upgrading that character in the next game. Seemed to work for K Rool, Isabelle & Chrom.

 

[7NATOR]

Two things about this - first one being that it's abundantly clear Nintendo doesn't give a **** about how their business practices look LOL. They've been scummy as hell right in front of our eyes more times than I can count. If they feel that Tails is a profitable choice for a playable character I can't imagine them hesitating to sell him again.

The other one is that I honestly don't think it's all that scummy in the first place. Let's put it into perspective - Mii Costumes cost a little bit over one dollar. Tails came out nearly two years ago now. How many people are going to make a scene about losing a dollar two years ago when it's more likely they'll just be celebrating that a character they like made it into Smash? If anything, I think the illusion of playing as your favorite character for two years is worth the price of admission, and would make the actual reveal that much more exciting. And this is splitting hairs a bit, but I feel like it's worth mentioning that Smash 4 even sold costumes of characters who are already present in the game like Samus, Captain Falcon and Fox.

I think selling say, Travis or Geno as a full playable fighter would be pretty "scummy", since I think it's at least safe to say a character's Mii Costume wouldn't appear in the same pass as them, but since Tails was a full pass ago and literally the first wave of nearly ten now I don't think it would be very much of an issue. And as others stated, Tails' costume was probably one of the easiest to bring back since they ported it over from Smash 4.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I think Rex may have been decidedly scummier since he was used as an incentive to buy a full pass worth of content. And we know very well that Rex was planned to be a part of Pyra's moveset initially. It's just one of those things that I feel we've all kinda overthought. I do think most Mii Costumes are disconfirmed, but with Tails' costume just having been so long ago and being a reused asset as is, I think there's a lot of wiggle room.

Of course I don't blame you for thinking the way you do either - that's just what we had all accepted as the situation a while back, and outside of Rex who is a special case to begin with we haven't seen much to contradict it. But I think time has opened the opportunity up again for this particular character.

First, The Mii Costume is only 75 cents, so it doesn't even cost a Dollar

Second, This has been something I've been trying to argue on the Papagenos discord. I will say a Big argument I have heard over the Sonic Miis is that if FP2 was planned out along with FP1, why were the Sonic Miis even added in the first place

The thing is that if FP2 was a sure thing, I heavily doubt we get ARMS and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Content, Which included Miis and Spirits, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is even more egregious because it came with music.

I do actually think the FP2 was perhaps in consideration during the time of FP1 Finalization, and there have been some coincidences that lead to that theory, but I don't think there it was greenlit at the same time FP1, and there is a difference between Planning and being greenlit

In the case of another Sonic character, since it's been speculated and sort of agreed that FP2 was greenlit around June of 2019, after Joker's pack came out, There's a great reason to believe they put in the Sonic content in the pass in the case a full FP2 wasn't decided on. Pretty much it came before the greenlit

I actually think Timing is an issue the Speculation community has an issue with. I think alot of people argue for certain things with no consideration for how Timing is factored in, as well as other things like difference between plans and being greenlit, how Negotiations can affect things, etc.

Now I know there is also the Speculation that Steve and Sephiroth were always gonna be playable. I actually am behind this idea, but this idea could go against the idea of a Sonic character if you look at it a certain way. What I will say is that Regarding Steve and Sephiroth, since they weren't in the game in an form, if Nintendo was already far in negotiations with them, it would be a waste to just drop the talks right there, unlike with Sonic which already had content represented in Base game, since of course, the absence of things like Sonic Spirits and Assist trophies, when they were in previous games, would be very weird to say the least, especially if DLC wasn't factored in until January of 2018, when most of the base game content was decided. Sephiroth and Steve weren't in Previous games so the absence of them wouldn't be out of place

If FP2 Intially wasn't a thing, or wasn't deemed as worth the effort, they still might want Sephiroth and Steve to at least have a presence in the game, perhaps as Fighters, just to make sure the talks don't go to waste. After all, if you have the oppertunity to include Sephiroth and Steve in someway, you don't waste it. Sonic wasn't in this position since we already do have the characters represented in some way, so it wouldn't be a waste

Since we have a Full FP2 to play with, if they did think any of the Main 4 options were characters they feel would make a great add to the Playable option, now is there chance to start the Re-Negotation. Even if Planned from when DLC was first decided around January of 2018, if there happens not to be a full FP2, even if Another Sonic character was in Plans, it's no waste since at least they are in the game

As for Rex, I got to be honest, I think Sakurai knows that the blades are more popular and the more important things about Xenoblade Chronicles 2. He did add Nia's Costume to base game, so he didn't put her costume in Ransom. Not to say he doesn't like Rex (though he's never really said that, even when praising XB2), and he definitly treat him with respect in Pyra/Mythra's Trailer and moveset. I guess though it was like, if the Blades at least have a major presence, whether through base game content or Future DLC, then Rex was seen as more expendable

And for the Smash 4 costume point. I think the scenraio regarding Falcon, Fox, Samus is different from a Case like Tails, and especially Travis and Geno. When they sold the Former costumes, people already know that Falcon, Fox, Samus are playable. Going into the latter costumes, they might buy these costumes precisely because they might think this is the best they are gonna get. I will say we've never gotten a character who was introduced into the game as a Costume, then became playable later on

Not to say that wouldn't happen, and yeah I don't think people are gonna be too mad about a costume from way back then like Tails costume. Travis and Genos are stronger cases because their costumes came so recently though