Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DevaAshera]

At this point, how many of your most wanteds do you think have a solid chance?

• Sora (Kingdom Hearts): His chances are pretty good, he has the popularity with both Smash fans and general gamers..all depends on if a deal can be struck, which I think it can, Disney isn't as hard to work with as people like to think it is. 9/10
• 2B (NieR Automata): Her chances were hurt by Sephiroth, but she's still possible. I would put her chances at a solid 50/50 depending on if Nintendo wants her and are willing to double dip on companies in a single pass. 5/10
• Saber (Fate/stay night): Her chances are higher than Western fans like to think given that the Fate series is amazingly popular in Japan in all forms of media while the anime and Fate/Grand Order are gaining popular in the West. I doubt Type:Moon would deny Nintendo the rights to Saber for Smash Bros. Not super high, but likely enough. 8/10
• Aigis (Persona 3): Her chances are very slim given that there's not much going on for Persona 3 right now and the game isn't as popular as Persona 4 and especially Persona 5. Aigis herself is extremely popular amongst Persona fans, but I feel her chances are slim..about 3/10
• Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria): She doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell when both Yuri and Lloyd are more popular characters with the Tales & Smash Fanbases. Although she'd have a more unique moveset than they would, that isn't what would get her chosen over them. 2/10
• Asuka (Senran Kagura): Never gonna happen. Given the way her series is and it not being all that popular in comparison to other series, there is no way she's coming in.. 1/10
• Dante (Devil May Cry): The Capcom Mii Fighter costumes were a blow to him, so I'd put his chances as 4/10.

 

[MrMcNuts]

I may be late to the party, but Sakurai implied that the final two fighters have figures, so this implies Rayman isn't in.

No he didn't

Not here to debate whose likely or not just saying figure theory shouldn't be taken to literal

 

[DarthEnderX]

"Sakurai is saying IN GENERAL that he hides figures of unreleased fighters. It doesn't mean that 100% the next fighters have figures."

It means that the figures of unreleased fighters MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HIDDEN!! DUN DUN DUUUUN!

 

[ZelDan]

Someone somehow manages to break into Sakurai's drawer
doesn't see any figurines in it

"OH DEAR GOD SAKURAI CANCELLED THE REST OF FP2!"

 

[MrMcNuts]

Someone find out if he's ever owned a Wallace and gromit figurine otherwise I ain't interested

 

[Shroob]

The fact some people are trying to take Figure Theory as a real thing is even lower than Chair Theory tbh.


At the very least Chair Theory, for as dumb as it was, pointed at 1, maybe 2 characters, even though the logic was absurd


There's probably over a ****ing thousand(s) of figures of video game characters out there

 

[Ben Holt]

The fact some people are trying to take Figure Theory as a real thing is even lower than Chair Theory tbh.


At the very least Chair Theory, for as dumb as it was, pointed at 1, maybe 2 characters, even though the logic was absurd


There's probably over a ****ing thousand(s) of figures of video game characters out there

And Rayman is not one of them.

 

[Mamboo07]

And Rayman is not one of them.

He's still stuck in the ice of Battlefield.

 

[MrMcNuts]

And Rayman is not one of them.

Neither was MinMin, Byleth, or K.Rool (unless ya wanna count the obscure figure based on the old cartoon which there's no way he used that as a base considering what that looks like lol)

Whether Rayman is likely or not is a different matter but Figure.Theory.Is.Not.A.Thing.

 

[Shroob]

"Oh? You believe in Figure Theory?"

"Name every video game character with a figurine."

 

[MrMcNuts]

I will add Rayman actually does have some figurines and a statue out there (though quite rare).

 

[Speed Weed]

At this point, how many of your most wanteds do you think have a solid chance?

My top 10 most wanted characters are:

• Crash
• Phoenix
• Doomguy
• Monokuma
• Agumon
• Master Chief
• Kratos
• Crypto
• Nightmare
• Bill Rizer

Out of all those, I think Crash and Phoenix have the most realistic shot. Yes, I still think Phoenix is likely because well let's say that he is CP10 or CP11, Nintendo and Capcom would have negotiated for multiple Capcom characters as Mii costumes, but Capcom asked that the MH costumes and Arthur be pushed earlier to CP9 to coincide with MH Rise and GnG Resurrection. I think that is a likely scenario. As for Crash, his merits have been stated many times so I won't go there.

The only other characters that have a decent shot are Agumon, Nightmare, and Bill Rizer. I could see any of these being the E3 or even the "underwhelming" last pick. Digimon, Soul Calibur, and Contra certainly have their merits and the first two have gone through a sort of surge in popularity in recent years. Bill Rizer I still say is likely because Konami has got nothing since base game and if Arthur's costume is anything to go by, Nintendo is still looking to represent more NES series. Yes Arthur only has a costume and spirit, but that is beside the point and people have been speculating Hayabusa, another NES icon, too.

I don't see the others having a realistic chance honestly. Danganronpa shockingly is still not on the Switch. I personally subscribe to the idea that third parties will not get multiple characters in the same pass, so I don't think Master Chief is happening, even if he is the type of character that would break this fan rule. I don't see Nintendo approaching Sony for a character, Crypto is too niche (Hopefully the teased sequel will be on the Switch so people can try out the games), and Doomguy got deconfirmed in an interview.

Well, let's take a look-see:

Extremely unlikely: Takamaru, Saki, Ray MK III, Vyse, Klonoa, Metal Slug rep
Outright dead: Officer Howard, Bomberman (tho he's kinda in i guess), Zero, Leon, Iori, Travis
Implied dead: Neku, Crono, Phoenix Wright
Darkhorses: Isaac, Bandana Dee, Alucard, Raiden, Axel Stone, Ryo Hazuki, Don-Chan
Might actually have a decent shot, I would say: Sol, Kiryu
Has a decent shot: Hayabusa

 

[Evil Trapezium]

And Rayman is not one of them.

Yep and because of that, Rayman is impossible. Sorry folks, no more Rayman. Guess it's time for you to pack up your bags and go home because there is no other way that Rayman could possibly be created.

It's hard to believe that Rayman's chances all hinged on Sakurai buying a toy. Not looking at concept art or the 3D model Ubisoft specifically gave them, It's a damn toy that got him.

Rest in RIP Rayman.

 

[Shroob]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

 

[ZelDan]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

I always figured Koei's talks could have been about 3H too.

The only other thing I can think of is the Ninja Gaiden Trilogy on Switch, but Nintendo doesn't often use DLC to promote new third party games (only time they have is DQXIS IIRC) so even that isn't convincing to me.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Yep and because of that, Rayman is impossible. Sorry folks, no more Rayman. Guess it's time for you to pack up your bags and go home because there is no other way that Rayman could possibly be created.

It's hard to believe that Rayman's chances all hinged on Sakurai buying a toy. Not looking at concept art or the 3D model Ubisoft specifically gave them, It's a damn toy that got him.

Rest in RIP Rayman.

Time to go delete the Rayman for Smash campaign page, it's all ogre from here.

Speaking of ogre...

 

[7NATOR]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

Both the Ryu Leakers (IamShifty and Brew) as well as Vergeben Specifically said that Koei had Discussions about Smash and/or stuff about Ryu being in Smash. In regards to just Verge, since he's considered the more credible one, He only said discussions with Koei and Nintendo about Smash happened, but Ryu was just his speculation.

and yeah, there could have been related to Byleth only


I will say that If you go in the Ryu thread on this site, there is some documentation about some of the "Inside rumors". Apparently people were either getting warned or getting in trouble for Talking about Ryu in Smash. Brew even had a post where he said he talked about Undertale costume and did not get in trouble, but when Talking about Ryu is when he was getting warned

I will say that Without the leaks, Ryu would still probably be speculated. He just may not be seen as among the biggest frontrunner like he is now, but he does have merits for his inclusion that go beyond the leaks

 

[Shroob]

Both the Ryu Leakers (IamShifty and Brew) as well as Vergeben Specifically said that Koei had Discussions about Smash and/or stuff about Ryu being in Smash. In regards to just Verge, since he's considered the more credible one, He only said discussions with Koei and Nintendo about Smash happened, but Ryu was just his speculation.

and yeah, there could have been related to Byleth only


I will say that If you go in the Ryu thread on this site, there is some documentation about some of the "Inside rumors". Apparently people were either getting warned or getting in trouble for Talking about Ryu in Smash. Brew even had a post where he said he talked about Undertale costume and did not get in trouble, but when Talking about Ryu is when he was getting warned

I will say that Without the leaks, Ryu would still probably be speculated. He just may not be seen as among the biggest frontrunner like he is now, but he does have merits for his inclusion that go beyond the leaks

Warned in what ways, exactly? If some random people on Twitter start acting like they know secret ****, they're more likely than not blowing smoke out their ass.

 

[Ben Holt]

You guys are really taking what I say to an extreme.
Let me try to make it clear:
At no point (with very specific exceptions) have I ever believed or dismissed leaks or theories. I simply decide whether they are worth KEEPING AN EYE ON. This is the same thing PapaGenos does. I do not "believe" Figure Theory so much as I see it as plausible. The same happened for Concert Leak, Color Theory, Google Theory, Box Theory, and Cacomallow Leak. I never "believed" them per se; I merely saw them as plausible and thus worth keeping an eye on. Box Theory was right, and the rest were bunk.
With Figure Theory, I am not predicting, but SPECULATING (whole point of this thread) that Sakurai may have given us a subtle hint that the next two characters have figures printed of them.

Now for the very few select times I outright fully believed a leak:
ESRB Leak (true)
Vergeben's Leaks (true)
SNK/Terry Leak (true)
Grinch Leak (false) Oof. Can't win 'em all.

I just ask that in the future, please do not put words in my mouth. I will make it clear if I outright believe a theory or leak.
Figure Theory is not one of them.

 

[YoshiandToad]

...Since we're on the topic, I wanna ask something: people always put one of the mercs at the front, but how would one go about representing all classes (a staple of the game) into one moveset?

Sounds like a massive headache imo, but I'm curious to see what fans think.

Not sure if this has been said whilst I was asleep but...

Make Spy the base character and have him use his disguise kit to transform in to the others for certain attacks. Up special being Soldier's Rocket Jump, side special being a Demoman's sticky bombs, neutral special being Heavy's Sandvich(also allowing Kirby to eat Sandviches), down special being Engineer's building a Sentry, side Smash being Pyro's airblast, etc, etc.

Yes, I know he doesn't gain their weapons and abilities in the actual game, i.e. becoming Scout doesn't give you double jumps or improved movement, you haven't got access to airblast or flame resistance when disguised as Pyro, etc, but it'd be the best way to include all the mercs in a relatively organic manner without having them all teleport in like Rex does.

Should be fine, it's not like Valve don't get liberal with TF2 rules in their own shorts. Medic UBERS Heavy with a Quick-Fix and they just claim it short circuited after the first UBER making it impossible to do it again.

 

[Pillow]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

I didn’t even know there were leak rumors. He just feels right for Smash being relatively well known from a long running franchise, being a recurring guest star in another series,and being a retro character alongside other characters like Simon. I personally am not that invested in the character, but if I were to get on one of the two last slots I’d bet on Ryu Hayabusa.

 

[7NATOR]

Warned in what ways, exactly? If some random people on Twitter start acting like they know secret ****, they're more likely than not blowing smoke out their ass.

Okay So there was a Specific post. that talked about how NOA was warning people not to talk about Ryu. I actually can't find that particular post right now, I do know that Papagenos did have a video on the post though, and I am sure it's real as well. It was from either Brew or IamShifty. If I find it I will update you on it

Here are some interesting posts though

(1) "Justice Always Triumphs." - Ryu Hayabusa for Smash Switch! (Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive) | Page 39 | Smashboards

(1) "Justice Always Triumphs." - Ryu Hayabusa for Smash Switch! (Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive) | Page 39 | Smashboards

(1) "Justice Always Triumphs." - Ryu Hayabusa for Smash Switch! (Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive) | Page 30 | Smashboards

(1) "Justice Always Triumphs." - Ryu Hayabusa for Smash Switch! (Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive) | Page 56 | Smashboards


Now there are some disclaimers

-Yes some of these posts were related to Fatmanonice, and I know that man is seen as not really credible. I still think it's interesting because honestly, I do think that Fatman was not lying when talkng about having some inside info, but it's just that he was Very heavy on the Speculation. I'm gonna assume alot of "inside info" might not always have the most merit, and alot of the inside info might not have concrete evidence of particular conclusion

-Even without Fatman though, there's that post where Brew talking about him joking about Undertale miis, and how the reaction to that (or lack there of) in comparison to the reaction of Ryu talk might suggests things

-There's also a post from the main due posting this stuff on that thread, where he had a source come to him to confirm Ninja Gaiden content in FP2, though also mentions Mii costume potentially, since it was only Ryu that was heard

I look more into it, but honestly Considering how people feel about the people talking about this info, I don't think it might not be taken seriously. Personally the main thing I will do is see if Pyra/Mythra comes with a Sword based tournament, since if they don't have one as their DLC tournament, or one doesn't show up in the coming weeks after, it might suggest another Sword character, which is points in Ryu's favor, but the presence of that particular tournament could suggest that he might (MIGHT) not be playable

I do believe Ryu was heard in the inside, but like alot of Inside info what will come of it is unknown. There's stuff to suggest on Both sides of Playable Ryu, or Mii Costume Ryu. yes

 

[Dinoman96]

I think a lot of the push for Ryu comes from the notion that Koei Tecmo is one of Nintendo's biggest third party supporters and ergo deserves some kind of recognition in Smash, and Ryu is probably their most well known and prolific character.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

You're partially right, that's what made a lot of people go " We're getting Hayabusa?" But similar to after Brave got leaked, people realized how much sense the inclusion would make and got behind it. Like, let's look at AssCreed and Arthur. I've seen a hell of a lot more people say those two would make for cool characters after they got the costumes than before it. Same happened to Adol, a lot of people are behind certain ideas, but may be unable to come up with said ideas themselves.

 

[Deleted member]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?

People caught on to Koei-Tecmo's involvement with a couple of Nintendo IPs and figured Hayabusa was the most likely candidate for DLC because Ninja Gaiden was an NES game. He also has cool moves.

That's about as simple of an explanation as I can give.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

At the very least, we have a big Western Smash poll from recent years to go off of

So at the very least, Lloyd would appeal to the Western Smash fanbase. Again, not 100% accurate, but it at least shows a decently large chunk of the fanbase. I think it's worth keeping in mind. Again, though, we'll have to see how the Japanese fans feel. Tagging A Ayumi Tachibana , since they seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the interests of the Japanese Smash fanbase.

I guess Lloyd is more popular than Yuri in terms of smash speculation in Japan too. Also, Cress is decently popular choice.
However, I don't really see many people specifically asking for Lloyd himself, and most of the time the contexts are something like, his western popularity, he was once a mii, dual swords, or just because people say so.
Dedicated Yuri fans can be seen in the community, but rarely see actual Lloyd fans. Some are never played Symphonia and wanting Lloyd just sake for smash speculation.
People actively wanting Tales characters seems to be okay with anyone, so Lloyd is also a very welcoming choice for them of course, but yeah, at the same time I see Yuri and Cress a lot more coming from them than the hard-core smash speculators.

I also noticed one thing.
Sakurai's words for Lloyd from Nintendo Dream interview constantly gets brought up in the Western community, but I rarely see this development in the Japan side.
Probably this is because of the translations only skimming the main paragraphs of the article, I guess? In the same article, there is a little note says "Lloyd is the most popular Tales character on the Nintendo consoles!?" The notes are often written by the editor, not Sakurai himself, but sometimes important information can be found there which clearly can tell that they're coming directly from Sakurai but they just couldn't put into the main texts since that would diffuse the flow of the article.
I think "Sakurai admitting the definitive Tales character is Lloyd" context is something the Japan side doesn't share like the West does.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Someone somehow manages to break into Sakurai's drawer
doesn't see any figurines in it

"OH DEAR GOD SAKURAI CANCELLED THE REST OF FP2!"

Heh... to be honest I wouldn’t mind if that happened... my MWs still have 0 chance either way. All of them...

 

[Wunderwaft]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?


A couple no-name leakers and Verg hearing that Nintendo was in talks with Koei? And we're sure this was related to Smash and not 3 Houses/Byleth's trailer why?


That's pretty much the only things going for him, iirc.

Well, even besides the leakers, Ryu Hayabusa comes from a legacy franchise that has been around since the NES days and has managed to successfully pull the 3D jump. The series is still relevant and Koei Tecmo puts Hayabusa as their crossover character in their games whenever the chance arises, whether it's in Dead or Alive or Nioh. As it stands Ryu is the mascot of Koei Tecmo, and considering how the company has worked with Nintendo with a close relationship for years it makes sense he would be added to Smash.

To me Hayabusa makes more sense than most other characters, including Crash. His company has a good relationship with Nintendo and has worked on their games. He's the face of the company and he hasn't left the spotlight even if his main series has been dormant until recently. He's also a fairly popular character that has been speculated since Smash 4, no doubt Sakurai and Nintendo would've taken notice at him due to the ballot. Is he guaranteed? Obviously not (especially after monhun), but he has more going for him unlike other characters.

Not to mention fire theory is a thing and Hayabusa fulfills this

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I can imagine. Valve games seem to have this uncanny ability to have strong fanbases that can endure long periods of "sorry nothing".

...Since we're on the topic, I wanna ask something: people always put one of the mercs at the front, but how would one go about representing all classes (a staple of the game) into one moveset?

Sounds like a massive headache imo, but I'm curious to see what fans think.

This may not represent all the classes of Team Fortress 2 but I did try my hand with a 3 in 1 character for Smash. Didn't finish it because I had trouble finding motivation to do all of the other parts like aerials, grabs, etc but maybe people can still get what I was going for?

Spoiler: Heavy, Pyro, Scout moveset (Unfinished)

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Heavy, Pyro and Scout from Team Fortress 2 for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
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Debut: October 9th 2007 (Team Fortress 2)

All-Star placement: Between Lucario and Rosalina

Weight class: Heavyweight 125 (Heavy), Middleweight 100 (Pyro), Lightweight 80 (Scout)

Dash Speed: 1.3 (Heavy), 1.76 (Pyro), 2.5 (Scout)

Alternate costumes:
Colour 1: Default Red - The colour of team RED (Reliable Excavation Demolition)
Colour 2: Default Blue - The colour of team BLU (Builders League United)
Colour 3: Yellow Red - The colour of a Gentlemann's Business Pants highlights
Colour 4: Green Blue - The Bitter Taste of Defeat and Lime highlights
Colour 5: Orange Red - Mann Co. Orange highlights
Colour 6: Purple Blue - A Deep Commitment to Purple highlights
Colour 7: Australium Red - Australium highlights
Colour 8: Australium Blue - Australium highlights
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Heavy
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Neutral Combo: Heavy let's go of his Minigun and throws out two punches.

Dash Attack: Heavy dashes forward and bashes with his Minigun.

Side Tilt: Heavy swings his Minigun like he's playing golf, using the muzzle as a club-head.

Down Tilt:

Up Tilt: Heavy revs

Neutral Aerial: Heavy swings his Minigun around himself, similar to Cloud's neutral aerial.

Forward Aerial: Heavy swings his Minigun over head and thrusts it downwards like a hammer. This has a meteor smash effect to it.

Back Aerial:

Up Aerial: Heavy swings his head in an arch similar to Bowser and Donkey Kong.

Down Aerial:

Forward Smash: Heavy brings out his Killing Gloves of Boxing and throws out a straight lunge forward, similarly too King K. Rool.

Up Smash:

Down Smash:

Neutral Special: Minigun - Heavy revs up his Minigun and then shoots out a stream of bullets. Like Banjo & Kazooie, holding the button down will allow him to move around and shoot with it. However his Minigun only has 200 bullets but they regenerate over time and you can get more by hitting your opponent.

Side Special: Boxing Dash - Heavy charges up a punch and then dashes forward until the end of the move. It can be charged up

Up Special: Sandvich - Heavy grabs his Sandvich and takes a bite out from it. It allows him to heal a little bit of damage, however it has no vertical movement.

Grab and pummel animations: Heavy drops his Minigun and attempts to grab an opponent with his two hands. If he fails, he will pick his Minigun back up. If he succeeds, his pummels will show him punching his opponent in the stomach.

Forward throw: Heavy lifts his opponent above his head and throws them forward!

Back throw: Heavy quickly shoves his opponent behind him with enough force to send them flying.

Up throw: Heavy throws his opponent upwards, grabs his Minigun and shoots them upwards.

Down throw: Heavy lifts his opponent above his head, kneels down and slams his opponents back on his knee.

Idle animation 1: Heavy quickly checks his Minigun out by using his left hand to roll the barrel to see if anything is wrong with it and then he shrugs it off.

Idle animation 2: Heavy strokes his Minigun and then adjusts his hands on the Minigun

Crouch/Crawl: Heavy crouches down on one knee while holding his Minigun to his side.

Up Taunt: The Heavy performs his Minigun taunt where he hugs his Minigun and says "You did well!"

Side taunt: Heavy performs his Sandvich taunt where he takes a hea "NOM NOM NOM ...OM NOM".

Down Taunt: Heavy performs his fist taunt where with a flick of the wrists, the Heavy mimics a quick-draw Pistol showdown while shouting "Pow! Haha!". The taunt is slow but it deals a lot of damage and knockback on hit.

Kirby hat: Kirby has a hat that has a minigun on top of his head.
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Pyro
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Neutral Combo: Pyro slashes twice with his fire axe, Once diagonally left and One diagonally right.

Dash Attack: Pyro dashes and swings his Fire Axe diagonally infront of him.

Side Tilt: Pyro swings his axe in a motion like he's chopping down a tree.

Down Tilt: Pyro sweeps the ground with a low fire axe swing from left to right while crouching.

Up Tilt: Pyro quickly swings his fire axe to the ground backwards and then swings it upwards like he's mining the ground with a Pickaxe.

Neutral Aerial:

Forward Aerial:

Back Aerial:

Up Aerial:

Down Aerial:

Forward Smash: Pyro readies his axe behind him in an overdramatic and cartoonish way when charging. Once released, the Pyro does an overhead swing of it's Fire Axe to slash the ground. It has a chance doing a random critical hit.

Up Smash:

Down Smash:

Neutral Special: Flamethrower - Pyro pulls the trigger on it's flamethrower, making a burst of fire come out from his weapon. Like Banjo & Kazooie, holding the button down will allow him to move around and shoot with it. Any opponent caught with in it's flames suffers afterburn damage similar to poison and curse. However his flamethrower only has 200 ammo so it cannot be used forever. Flamethrower ammo regenerates over time and you can increase it by hitting the opponent.

Side Special: Airblast - Pyro's flamethrower shoots out a puff of air that blows any opponent away from him.

Up Special: Thermal Thruster - Pyro equips his Thermal Thruster and rockets upwards

Grab and pummel animations:

Forward throw:

Back throw:

Up throw:

Down throw:

Idle animation 1:

Idle animation 2:

Sneaking:

Walking:

Running:

Crouch/Crawl:

Up Taunt: Pyro performs his Flamethrower taunt where he thrusts his Flamethrower in the air while cackling triumphantly.

Side taunt: Pyro performs his Shotgun taunt where he charges up and fires a burst of fire from his gloved hand. The taunt is slow but it deals a lot of damage and knockback on hit.

Down Taunt: Pyro performs his Fireaxe taunt where he plays Air guitar with his Fireaxe

Kirby Hat: Kirby wears the Pyro's Mask.
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Scout
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Neutral Combo: Scout does a rapid jab where he continuously smacks the bat at the opponent and ends it with a baseball bat swing.

Dash Attack: Scout finishes his dash by spinning his bat in front of himself, acting as a sort of plane propeller.

Side Tilt: Scout does a horizontal swing of the bat.

Down Tilt: Scout sweeps the ground with his Bat.

Up Tilt: Scout swings his bat overhead in an arch.

Neutral Aerial: Scout spins his Bat around himself (Like Byleth's failnought aerial) which deals multiple hits.

Forward Aerial: Scout performs an over head swing with his bat.

Back Aerial: Scout looks towards the back of him and does a quick horizontal swing of his bat from behind him.

Up Aerial:

Down Aerial:

Forward Smash: Much like Ness' forward smash, Scout poses like he's ready to hit an oncoming baseball. When let go, he swings his bat like he's aiming for a home-run.

Up Smash:

Down Smash:

Neutral Special: Scattergun - Scout shoots his Scattergun that is powerful at close range. Like Banjo & Kazooie, holding the button down will allow him to move around and shoot with it. However his Scattergun only has 40 ammo so it cannot be used forever. Scattergun shells regenerates over time and you can increase it by hitting the opponent.

Side Special: Can't think of anything here.

Up Special: Bonk! Atomic Punch! - Scout drinks a can of Bonk and jumps straight into the air in a burst of sugar rush. Scout can go higher depending on how long he drinks for.

Grab and pummel animations:

Forward throw:

Back throw:

Up throw:

Down throw:

Idle animation 1:

Idle animation 2:

Sneaking:

Walking:

Running:

Crouch/Crawl:

Up Taunt: Scout performs his Scattergun taunt where he slaps his thigh as if riding a horse while shouting "Whooooo!"

Side taunt: Scout performs his Pistol taunt where he jogs in place, checking both his neck pulse and an imaginary watch while saying "I'm not even winded!"

Down Taunt: Scout performs his Sandman taunt where he points to the sky, winds up and swings his bat. The taunt is slow but it deals a lot of damage and knockback on hit.

Kirby Hat: Kirby wears Scout's baseball cap and ear piece.
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Universal
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Down Special: Class Change - Engineer's teleporter appears under either Heavy, Pyro or Scout's feet and changes to the next class. It cycles from Heavy, Pyro, Scout and back to Heavy.

Final Smash: Teamwork - Heavy, Pyro and Scout all appear at the same time and call their other comrades to arms. Soldier readies his Rocket Launcher, Demoman with his Grenade Launcher, Engineer with his Sentry gun, Sniper aims with his Sniper Rifle and Medic preparing his ubercharge. They all fire their weapons from the back while Pyro, Scout and an Ubercharged Heavy close in on their opponent. Once the attack is done, the Spy will appear from the Shadows and finish them off with a backstab. Any opponent above 100% will be instantly KO'd.

Entrance animation: Heavy/Pyro/Scout appears out of either a Red (Costumes 1,3,5,7) or Blue (Costumes 2,4,6,8) teleporter that self-destructs after the Heavy/Pyro/Scout steps off of it.

Victory animation 1: Heavy hugs his Minigun and tells it "You did well!" while Scout and Pyro pose beside him like in the TF2 artwork.

Victory animation 2: Heavy and Scout hold their hands out, preparing themselves for the Pyro who dives into their palms and they toss the Pyro into the air while the Pyro majestically flips and gives a hoorah as he sticks the landing.

Victory animation 3: This one is for scout but I don't know what to put here.

Losing animation: Heavy gives giant slow claps with a grumpy face, not looking happy he lost. Pyro gleefully claps for the winner and Scout blows a bubble or something. The character that appears is the one who was used before time ran out or they lost their last stock.

 

[Jerry98]

At this point, how many of your most wanteds do you think have a solid chance?

• Professor Layton: AHAHAHAHAH
• Big Daddy: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
• Grovyle: AHAHAHAAHAHAH
• The Knight: maybe a (disproportionate) Mii Costume, but I'll say AHAHAHAHAHAH
• Shantae: less AHAHAH, but I still doubt...
• Marco/Eri/Tarma/Fio/Trevor/Nadia/Ralf/Clark: AHAHAHAHAHAH
• Dixie Kong: doubt...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Terry mainly got in due to his game inspiring Smash notably the shielding. Surprised actually it took him this long to get in given how fanboyish Sakurai is of him and Fatal Fury/King of Fighters.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

It will be telling to see if Crash, Hayabusa, or both will the heavily speculated fighters simply didn't get in even after so many predictions for them. I think every Smash hype cycle always has that set of characters that almost feel inevitable and yet when its over, they simply never show up. And given that so many other heavy hitters have gradually gone by the wayside for most in speculation for one reason or another (Further Square Enix & Microsoft characters due to their companies already getting in the second pass, characters getting spirited or Mii costumed, etc) they and a few assorted Sega figures (Eggman, Arle) feel like they're the last prominent dominos left to fall this year.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm retracting on my current predictions actually.

At this point it could be anyone supposedly from Base content left out.

 

[Knight Dude]

At this point, how many of your most wanteds do you think have a solid chance?

My top 10 most wanted characters are:

• Crash
• Phoenix
• Doomguy
• Monokuma
• Agumon
• Master Chief
• Kratos
• Crypto
• Nightmare
• Bill Rizer

Out of all those, I think Crash and Phoenix have the most realistic shot. Yes, I still think Phoenix is likely because well let's say that he is CP10 or CP11, Nintendo and Capcom would have negotiated for multiple Capcom characters as Mii costumes, but Capcom asked that the MH costumes and Arthur be pushed earlier to CP9 to coincide with MH Rise and GnG Resurrection. I think that is a likely scenario. As for Crash, his merits have been stated many times so I won't go there.

The only other characters that have a decent shot are Agumon, Nightmare, and Bill Rizer. I could see any of these being the E3 or even the "underwhelming" last pick. Digimon, Soul Calibur, and Contra certainly have their merits and the first two have gone through a sort of surge in popularity in recent years. Bill Rizer I still say is likely because Konami has got nothing since base game and if Arthur's costume is anything to go by, Nintendo is still looking to represent more NES series. Yes Arthur only has a costume and spirit, but that is beside the point and people have been speculating Hayabusa, another NES icon, too.

I don't see the others having a realistic chance honestly. Danganronpa shockingly is still not on the Switch. I personally subscribe to the idea that third parties will not get multiple characters in the same pass, so I don't think Master Chief is happening, even if he is the type of character that would break this fan rule. I don't see Nintendo approaching Sony for a character, Crypto is too niche (Hopefully the teased sequel will be on the Switch so people can try out the games), and Doomguy got deconfirmed in an interview.

I guess in my case, Hayabusa would seem kind of likely. But we've been saying that for a hot minute haven't we?

- Don't know how likely you'd call Lara Croft or Crash.

- Many people doubt Jin due to Heihachi's Mii returning.

- Another Mega Man seems pretty darn unlikely, sure Chrom and Sephiroth proved the same series can get a unique character, and a Final Smash Cameo can be made playable, but the chances are still very, very low. Even with that, I'd probably expect Alucard before say, Mega Man X or Mega Man Volnutt as we know Alucard was almost considered to be the CV character. But a lower-case w is still a W. Same with Chun or Tails I guess.

One bit of silver lining is that Rex's Exclusion had nothing to do with his Mii Costume and everything to do with being too weird to implement concurrently with Pyra/Myrtha. What this'll say about other characters I don't know. I still feel like people will ignore that and assume a Mii-Costume character is literally impossible, as opposed, to the usual unlikely.

- Dante's chances took a couple shots down due to the Capcom-Centric Mii Costumes, but I don't count him out completely like other people might. Maybe I'm too optimistic on that.

- I really doubt Fulgore's getting in, unless we somehow get a Season 3 and MC is passed up.

- Mortal Kombat's lack of Japanese presence makes Sub-Zero or Scorpion seem like a far-fetched idea.

 

[Guynamednelson]

One bit of silver lining is that Rex's Exclusion had nothing to do with his Mii Costume and everything to do with being too weird to implement concurrently with Pyra/Myrtha. What this'll say about other characters I don't know. I still feel like people will ignore that and assume a Mii-Costume character is literally impossible, as opposed, to the usual unlikely.

Since Rex's costume was in version 1.0, I'll still be iffy about costumes released later becoming DLC fighters. Sakurai at least proved that base game costumes aren't a problem, now he needs to do the same for DLC.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Ya know, why DO we believe Hayabusa has such a good shot anyway?

Tecmo is one of the last Japanese companies anyone knows about who's missing a fighter in Smash on top of working closely with Nintendo.

My own personal theory is that the next two fighters will be from unrepresented companies, and if one of them ain't Tecmo then I haven't a clue who it could be.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Anyone think Ryu Hayabusa could very well be the Terry of this pass.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Here's my balls to the wall guess. We just got a character who can see into the future and before that, a character involved in this. Therefore, the final two characters are the ones missing here

 

[Commander_Alph]

Anyone think Ryu Hayabusa could very well be the Terry of this pass.

I don't think so, he's basically closer to Simon Belmont and his game isn't that popular on a very specific specific country or am I failing to forget that there's Hayabusa day on Russia.

 

[Staarih]

Is it just me or is the Smash community somehow more lively with the inclusion of Pyra/Mythra than they were with Sephiroth, Steve etc... or was I just not paying as much attention then lol? Wherever I see Smash stuff online now, people are super hyped about the XC2 girls and I don't think I saw similar enthusiasm with some of the past few characters. Eh, I dunno, good to see excitement anyway, and I'm glad that first party characters still get as grand of a welcome as third parties.