Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Þe 1 → Way]

You know, I’m happy Xenoblade fans no longer have to live with the information they would’ve gotten a character had Sakurai had just a little more time.

HOLY *ING * THAT MASTER COLLECTION BOX ART WENT IN SO ****ING HARD IT IS SUPER SICK
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Maybe one day this badass can finally make it into Smash but damn if this isn’t the next best thing

That boxart alone makes me want Hayabusa. I’m tempted to buy the collection after seeing that trailer.

 

[Inue Houji]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

 

[Knight Dude]

So far Sephiroth and Min-Min are kind of cool. But Terry's the overall DLC highlight for me.

I wouldn't doubt they'd throw Pokemon in as FP11, but they're absolutely not being FP10. If a Fighters Pass 3 happens though I'd say it'd be a guarantee at that point.

It'd be a big mistake to assume that Nintendo will end off Smash will a "hype" character. Looking at Wolf, Corrin/Bayo, Incineroar, and Byleth respectively.

I'd call Bayo pretty hype, all things considered. And hell, Wolf is pretty cool too.

 

[BlondeLombax]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

I don't know, and I don't care. I am in a constant state of sadoapathy :D

 

[Perkilator]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

I don't think they really care that much if the casual market doesn't

 

[Shroob]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

How exactly are they controversial? XB2 sold over 2 million copies and got a ****ton of awards in Japan afaik.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Best parts of the direct for me was the Triangle RPG

Yeah the Octopath guys are making a Fire Emblum clone without the best part of OP, the amazing monster sprites. Yay...

I still wanted KOSMOS, but those huge....tracks of land make me happy.

I don't want to hear anymore complaints about Morrigan's appearance.

Not worse since they're proper transforming characters and not just stance switchers?

I mean, I certainly don't like that they're transforming(because it means this cost us getting another character). But even if I count this as having 3 XB characters, that's still way better than FE's 8.

With this, I think we can COMFORTABLY say goodbye once and for all to "The 40 Character List". No Pyra/Mythra. It had Rex, it had Lora (Torna) but absolutely no Pyra/Mythra.

Assuming that it was a list of characters Nintendo approved for Sakurai,I doubt if Sakurai saw Rex and he went "What about Pyra/Mythra instead?"that Nintendo would be like, "NO! It can only be Rex!!"

 

[Pillow]

I've got a question. Why did you think this was the only real shot for a first party? I've seen you say that quite a bit, but what's your reasoning?

The primary reason for me was lack of viable first party characters to begin with. Before today, I felt there was a good chance we were getting Rex or an 8th Gen Pokemon, but my gut feeling told me we weren't getting both. Obviously I was wrong and we got neither, but Pyrha's inclusion wasn't far off from why I thought Rex would come. I do not think Nintendo cares enough about Dixie, Toad, Bandana Dee, etc. to include them as DLC characters at this point.

After that it was mostly the timing of the reveal. First party characters tend to generate less waves, and Nintendo knows this which is why they stuck Pyrha in after Steve and Sephiroth but not at the end. If we were getting a Pokemon character I feel it would have been revealed on Pokemon Day, but that's too close to now. I know Smash has historically not ended on high notes with DLC choices, and I think it's very possible that this remains true - as there are just very few characters in general that are bigger than Steve or Sephiroth. I also think their attitude towards DLC is become more strategic in general, and with Ultimate likely coming to a close with FP2, I can't envision any Nintendo characters in the remaining pool being selected as one of the final 2. All the remaining choices are, in my eyes, all 3rd party characters.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

Well I may disagree with the decision to add them over Rex & them, but I don't think they're controversial.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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[Aerospherology]

Pyra and Mythra are the first Smash characters designed by a hentai artist. - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Pyra and Mythra are the first Smash characters designed by a hentai artist.".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

oh boy

 

[Dan Quixote]

HOLY *ING * THAT MASTER COLLECTION BOX ART WENT IN SO ****ING HARD IT IS SUPER SICK
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Maybe one day this badass can finally make it into Smash but damn if this isn’t the next best thing

Now watch em use Hayabusa's classic NES design for Smash lmaooo

 

[Wunderwaft]

HOLY *ING * THAT MASTER COLLECTION BOX ART WENT IN SO ****ING HARD IT IS SUPER SICK
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Maybe one day this badass can finally make it into Smash but damn if this isn’t the next best thing

I have been waiting for YEARS for a trilogy collection of the NG action games. Easily my favorite game reveal of the direct.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Way back when we got Min Min, I remember folks (myself included) more or less made some observations/predictions given the situation surrounding Spring Man, and now Rex. I'm gonna follow up on that.

First off, I'm pleased with this pack. I love Xenoblade and enjoyed Xenoblade Chronicles 2. I like Pyra and Mythra, so I'm down to clown.

That said, this gave me pretty big vibes of avoiding double dipping with AT's or costumes. This is the second 1st party in a row that has avoided this or done something like this.

Next, a point I haven't seen folks come back to but something I mentioned post- Min Min...There's a focus on Switch software with First Party picks.

Three Houses. ARMS. Xenoblade 2. The only major new to Switch and "Smash" title that isn't included at this point is Pokemon Sword & Shield. Obviously patterns can be broken, but this seems relatively consistent and I can see why Nintendo would advocate for this if they're adding characters they own.

If you ask me, I think this makes things worse for upgrades, but also not great for 1st party non-Switch titles. That just seems to be the way Nintendo is going about it at this point.

Not sure what would come next, but that's gonna have to wait until we get Mii's anyway. I'm predicting a Pneuma alt for the Xeno-gals, as well as MAYBE a KOS-MOS skin. If the Lloyd costume is back I feel that it'll be with this pack. It could certainly come with another, but I'm going to consider it especially sus if it's not with this pack.

 

[Shroob]

Pyra and Mythra are the first Smash characters designed by a hentai artist. - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Pyra and Mythra are the first Smash characters designed by a hentai artist.".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

oh boy

I mean, not like Nintendo's never not worked with those kinds of artists in the past. Like, it's happened quite a lot.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Yeah the Octopath guys are making a Fire Emblum clone without the best part of OP, the amazing monster sprites. Yay...

More like Final Fantasy Tactics, tbh.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well since they're clearly addressing franchises that have a lack of a newcomer, maybe, just maybe a Zelda character is still possible down the line?

I mean FF7 got little content, so Sephiroth happened. More FF7 content came with it, as another stage and more music.

ARMS was planned initially, Rex was too. This was solved, Minecraft was also in discussion for a long time.

I kind of think we'll see Monster Hunter eventually because of this all.

A Zelda newcomer too, maybe ? Seems likely because the focus seems to be more on first party characters. Sephiroth and Steve where probably easy to negotiate for third party characters cause of Cloud, Hero and Banjo all being in already.

No idea who else is left honestly. But patterns seem to apply here more than with FP1.

Min Min seemed to implied backtracking of ideas. Sephiroth and Steve seem to imply a character owned by companies already involved in Smash goes easier. And Sephiroth and Pyra / Mythra seem to imply we get characters from franchises already in Smash this time.

 

[Knight Dude]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

XBC2's a pretty popular game, so it's not THAT out there, just that a Blade fighting without a Driver was fairly unexpected, outside of a couple people suggesting it. Kind of like how when we discussed Fighting game characters before Terry's reveal, SNK only got mentioned a few times, but was still on a few eyes at least. Though compared to Tekken and MK, far less so.

Now watch em use Hayabusa's classic NES design for Smash lmaooo

You say this like it's bad. Both versions of Hayabusa are clean, classic Ninja content.

 

[Guynamednelson]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

They already got your money from Steve and Sephiroth.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

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— PaperCLM (@ClmPaper) February 17, 2021

 

[I.D.]

The salty smash fans on reddit/twitter/wherever trying to mask their own butthurt by pretending XB2 fans are DEVASTATED due to getting a XB2 that isn't the protagonist is merely the second best thing I've watched today, but still

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

We can safely lay the Chun-Tales leak to rest can’t we?

 

[Louie G.]

One thing I have to wonder though, why does Nintendo insist on pushing controversial characters, when they have so many other options?

Are Pyra and Mythra controversial? Rex / Pyra were like, one of the highest requested characters in Japan and were no slouches over here either. Xenoblade 2 was one of the more well received games in the Switch library and Xenoblade had been climbing up the ranks and asserting itself as a major Nintendo series for a little while now. Sakurai felt the need to outright apologize for excluding Rex in the base game.

I think this is an extremely safe character. The most shocking thing is obviously how it's Pyra and Mythra themselves, but I don't think it's controversial at all.

We can safely lay the Chun-Tales leak to rest can’t we?

Not really?

I'm not putting much stock in it, but the leak never actually said we were guaranteed those characters in the first place - just that they were planned at some point. It doesn't really have a proper expiration date. There are also still two characters remaining, and it didn't mention Min Min despite Steve and Sephiroth being a part of it anyway. I don't think it's impacted very much.

 

[Shroob]

We can safely lay the Chun-Tales leak to rest can’t we?

Not until we see the Lloyd Mii costume, no. Nothing it in pointed to today, nor did Pyra/Mythra influence the leak at all.


As soon as Lloyd's costume comes back tho? Dead.

 

[BlondeLombax]

The salty smash fans on reddit/twitter/wherever trying to mask their own butthurt by pretending XB2 fans are DEVASTATED due to getting a XB2 that isn't the protagonist is merely the second best thing I've watched today, but still

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Y'know, the widespread and intensive fervor of fans of specific works when things don't go their way sounds like it would make one hell of a Keter-class SCP...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean, not like Nintendo's never not worked with those kinds of artists in the past. Like, it's happened quite a lot.

Besides Japan is where hentai even came from. Is it even a surprise?

 

[SuperSceptile15]

I'm very happy with Xenoblade finally getting proper treatment in Smash Ultimate. Pyra and Mythra are really cool. After waiting over a year, the Direct was kind of disappointing to me with a lot of the announcements consisting of ports and shovelware, but I'm not surprised considering the success of the Switch has caused Nintendo to become somewhat complacent.

 

[Shroob]

Besides Japan is where hentai even came from. Is it even a surprise?

I mean I could go into a deep discussion on this topic but this is not the site for it rofl.

 

[Pillow]

We can safely lay the Chun-Tales leak to rest can’t we?

Thing about the Chun-Leak is the only character it implied would come to Smash is a Tales of character. Until we get Lloyd's costume back, or FP2 ends, it can't be disproven.

Reimu KOS-MOS leak is fully dead though.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The salty smash fans on reddit/twitter/wherever trying to mask their own butthurt by pretending XB2 fans are DEVASTATED due to getting a XB2 that isn't the protagonist is merely the second best thing I've watched today, but still

lol

Yeah, the strongest negative reaction here is "ugh. Why?".

Y'know, the widespread and intensive fervor of fans of specific works when things don't go their way sounds like it would make one hell of a Keter-class SCP...

I believe there is a very similar Explained SCP dealing with celebrities.

 

[N3ON]

We can safely lay the Chun-Tales leak to rest can’t we?

I'm all for putting leaks out to pasture when they've been invalidated, but I don't see how this reveal does that.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Since Pyra and Mythra are main characters. The protagonist first rule hasn't been broken right?

Protagonist first only applied to franchises anyway, not individual games.

Since we already have Shulk, all XB characters are fair game without effecting the rule.

 

[Ivander]

Not sure what would come next, but that's gonna have to wait until we get Mii's anyway. I'm predicting a Pneuma alt for the Xeno-gals, as well as MAYBE a KOS-MOS skin. If the Lloyd costume is back I feel that it'll be with this pack. It could certainly come with another, but I'm going to consider it especially sus if it's not with this pack.

Yeah, I'm kinda interested on what Pyra and Mythra's costumes will be, considering that compared to Min-Min, Steve and Sephiroth, they aren't allowing us to see Pyra and Mythra's costumes.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Pyra and Mythra are only controversial if you're a prude.

Considering you folks lusted after Sephiroth for months... you don't get to play that card.

Feel free not to like them, but the controversy surrounding them is the same as any other female character with sexual aspects to their design. Just like ZSS and Bayonetta.

They went through that stuff too.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, I'm kinda interested on what Pyra and Mythra's costumes will be, considering that compared to Min-Min, Steve and Sephiroth, they aren't allowing us to see Pyra and Mythra's costumes.

I'm wondering if having to wait until the Sakurai Presents is a consistent thing.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I'm all for putting leaks out to pasture when they've been invalidated, but I don't see how this reveal does that.

Thing about the Chun-Leak is the only character it implied would come to Smash is a Tales of character. Until we get Lloyd's costume back, or FP2 ends, it can't be disproven.

Reimu KOS-MOS leak is fully dead though.

Not until we see the Lloyd Mii costume, no. Nothing it in pointed to today, nor did Pyra/Mythra influence the leak at all.


As soon as Lloyd's costume comes back tho? Dead.

Not really?

I'm not putting much stock in it, but the leak never actually said we were guaranteed those characters in the first place - just that they were planned at some point. It doesn't really have a proper expiration date. There are also still two characters remaining, and it didn't mention Min Min despite Steve and Sephiroth being a part of it anyway. I don't think it's impacted very much.

My bad. I meant the KOS-MOS leak. Couldn’t even get the name right lmao. smh.

 

[Louie G.]

My bad. I meant the KOS-MOS leak. Couldn’t even get the name right lmao. smh.

Yeah okay, THAT one is dead as dirt lmao.

 

[Pillow]

Pyra and Mythra are only controversial if you're a prude.

Considering you folks lusted after Sephiroth for months... you don't get to play that card.

Feel free not to like them, but the controversy surrounding them is the same as any other female character with sexual aspects to their design. Just like ZSS and Bayonetta.

They went through that stuff too.

I don't really see Pyra's risque costume being the primary reason she's disliked. It's just her overall design is (in my opinion) kind of generic, and she's another anime character with a sword. I don't dislike Pyra, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't prefer a character who had a more distinct design compared to the rest of the Smash cast.

 

[Shroob]

I feel like Lloyd's death draws near in regards to Mii costumes.


What WILL be telling if they STILL hold off the MonHun costumes. THAT... will start looking a touch suspicious.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Pyra and Mythra are only controversial if you're a prude.

Considering you folks lusted after Sephiroth for months... you don't get to play that card.

Don't worry. Everyone here's also clowning on this idea.


Still hilarious that they needed to give Pyra sheer tights though. Like, what does that even accomplish?