Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[JOJONumber691]

That's not the same as making essentially 9 fighters.

Nine Echoes, and I think Nintendo would view it as worth it considering how Big Pokemon is.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Nine Echoes

Yeah, Ken-tier ones if they're even going to be echoes.

And yes, Nintendo would see Eevee as worth it due to it and Pokemon's popularity, but Sakurai, despite being more willing to work than most Smash fans, would still try to limit himself to what's reasonable. Like a trio that already covers defense, speed, and attack power.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I'd imagine the only way we'd get all Eeveelutions would be just for a Final Smash cameo along these lines.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I could see a potential Eevee line being added Bowser Jr. style if they were all limited to just doing Eevee stuff and didn't bring their own abilities into the equation.

Then again, Jolteon doesn't have a tail. There goes that idea.

 

[Pillow]

I could see a potential Eevee line being added Bowser Jr. style if they were all limited to just doing Eevee stuff and didn't bring their own abilities into the equation.

Then again, Jolteon doesn't have a tail. There goes that idea.

That would honestly be kind of lame to have them without their own moves though. Eevee's multi evolution gimmick is not something I can see that can be feasibly incorporated into Smash in a way that people would enjoy.

 

[SharkLord]

I could see a potential Eevee line being added Bowser Jr. style if they were all limited to just doing Eevee stuff and didn't bring their own abilities into the equation.

Then again, Jolteon doesn't have a tail. There goes that idea.

That, and the tails don't really match up with each other anyways

Trying to pull a Bowser Jr. would just look really awkward, especially since there isn't a Clown Car to cover them up.

I pretty much agree with your post, or at least most of it.

However I will say Estelle is, as far as I know, one of Kondo's favorite characters. In this reddit AMA he said he loves all Trails characters but that Estelle is probably the one he loves more. In a different question he also chooses the Trails in the Sky trilogy (Estelle's games) as the story he enjoyed the most during writing.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/c8u8iy/ama_i_am_toshihiro_kondo_president_of_nihon

Obviously he wouldn't decide which character would join Smash, but for this reason I always saw kind of weird he never mentioned Estelle when he was asked who he would pick for representing Falcom in Smash. Considering his attachment to her, I'd expect Estelle being mentioned when he answered but he only talked about Rean and Adol.
Admittedly Adol also holds a special place on his heart according to another interview. Not surprising because he was involved in the development of Ys games for a long time.

Yeah, I think I mentioned that. Estelle seems to have cemented herself in the minds of the fans and developers alike, which is why I think she's pretty even with Rean as a Trails rep.
I do wonder how much influence he'd have on the decision. Would it be another ARMS situation where Sakurai goes to the director, or would they give him a specific character to work with? On that note, I wonder if he consulted the people over at SNK for Terry, or if he was dead-set on Terry from the beginning. Seeing as he's the SNK fanboy he is, I'd imagine he had thought of that scenario for a while.

 

[RileyXY1]

That, and the tails don't really match up with each other anyways

Trying to pull a Bowser Jr. would just look really awkward, especially since there isn't a Clown Car to cover them up.

And the fact that they all have drastically different moves.

 

[SharkLord]

uh oh doublepost

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

That would honestly be kind of lame to have them without their own moves though. Eevee's multi evolution gimmick is not something I can see that can be feasibly incorporated into Smash in a way that people would enjoy.

I don't even like the idea of composite Eeveelutions, tbh. I just don't see us getting an Eevee that evolves mid-match. At best it makes Eevee into a comeback character and at worst it becomes super convoluted.

That, and the tails don't really match up with each other anyways

Trying to pull a Bowser Jr. would just look really awkward, especially since there isn't a Clown Car to cover them up.

True, but we've had Byleth with mild animation differences, so if the tail wasn't functional I could see some minor animation tweaks to make it work. The devs probably wouldn't want to deal with programming/animating a bunch of different skeletons, though.

 

[SharkLord]

True, but we've had Byleth with mild animation differences, so if the tail wasn't functional I could see some minor animation tweaks to make it work. The devs probably wouldn't want to deal with programming/animating a bunch of different skeletons, though.

Yeah, the proportions are all different. A couple animation differences could be feasible, but trying to cram entirely different body types into the same slot would look really awkward. It's like Mario and Wario being the same, or Marth and Ike. It'd just feel really off.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Yeah, the proportions are all different. A couple animation differences could be feasible, but trying to cram entirely different body types into the same slot would look really awkward. It's like Mario and Wario being the same, or Marth and Ike. It'd just feel really off.

Yup.

The funny thing is that Chrom and Roy actually have different proportions and they are echo fighters. Chrom's just shrunk down to fit on Roy's frame. It's not as big of a deal because it's mostly just the head, but you can tell Chrom's supposed to be taller.

 

[Pillow]

I don't even like the idea of composite Eeveelutions, tbh. I just don't see us getting an Eevee that evolves mid-match. At best it makes Eevee into a comeback character and at worst it becomes super convoluted.

Yeah if we're getting a character that evolves mid battle, it will be a Digimon and not a Pokemon that evolves permanently.

 

[ARandomZoomer]

If Eevee were to be a fighter it probably would have its own moveset while summoning its evolutions via specials. Something like how Duck Hunt summons the gunmen. Maybe the same special could be cycled through like Shulk's Monado Arts as well

 

[RetroBro]

I think the concept of Eevee being added is interesting if they fully incorporate the evolutions somehow.

Eevee alone is just... I just can't see it.

Not trying to be contrarian but one of the Gen 8 starters is definitely most likely. I'm not a big fan of Cinderace being added just because we've had fire starters added so much at this point. I'd prefer the other two.

 

[Guynamednelson]

the Gen 8 starters is definitely most likely

From my point of view it's either Eevee or Cinderace. They could either go for recent promotion, or eternal promotion, and I'd rather have something that reps more than one series of rushed games.

 

[Eeeyah911]

STAR OCEAN?? NEPTUNIA?? You are a person of culture.

Again, I don't think that they will be added in though.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Again, I don't think that they will be added in though.

If it makes you feel better, one of my most wanteds is Billy Hatcher.

Trust me, ALL the characters you listed are more likely than him...

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I think Eveelutions would be a fun mechanic and would “justify” their inclusion in my eyes.
Now, adding basic Eevee would suck. Just why? It’d be soooo boring.

 

[Eeeyah911]

I can say one thing though.

If a Fortnite character gets added to smash, then this game will be deleted from my Switch because of how much I freaking despise that rancid filth.

 

[RileyXY1]

From my point of view it's either Eevee or Cinderace. They could either go for recent promotion, or eternal promotion, and I'd rather have something that reps more than one series of rushed games.

Except we could also see a Gen 4 Pokemon if we get Sinnoh remakes this year.

 

[Eeeyah911]

If it makes you feel better, one of my most wanteds is Billy Hatcher.

Trust me, ALL the characters you listed are more likely than him...

Yes. But even then, they will get rejected for characters that I don't care about. Like Takumi (FE: Fates) or Bandana Waddle Dee.

 

[RileyXY1]

Eevee is also a Poke Ball Pokemon, making it highly unlikely.

 

[Lamperouge]

I can say one thing though.

If a Fortnite character gets added to smash, then this game will be deleted from my Switch because of how much I freaking despise that rancid filth.

I don't care about Fortnite either but I'm not going to act overdramatic over the character's inclusion and act like it's a blight upon Smash that ruined the series forever.

l'll just simply choose not to buy it.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don’t think I’ve ever understood the composite Eevee idea.

They’re different shapes and sizes. Being locked into one particular type for one stock sounds awful gameplay-wise, and if you’re able to swap during a match that’s totally not how Eevee works.

I just think there’s probably a reason why Eevee is a pokeball. It doesn’t mean I don’t like Eevee, I actually do very much. I’m just not a huge fan of the composite idea and I don’t think they’d ever go for that to be quite honest with you.

 

[Idon]

Ya know who's a massively popular pokemon that is almost always relevant in some way and isn't a pokeball summon? Garchomp.

Ignore the fact that he is already a spirit.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Yeah, Ken-tier ones if they're even going to be echoes.

And yes, Nintendo would see Eevee as worth it due to it and Pokemon's popularity, but Sakurai, despite being more willing to work than most Smash fans, would still try to limit himself to what's reasonable. Like a trio that already covers defense, speed, and attack power.

Or, you could give him the Colors of said Eeveelution. If they couldn't do the Eeveelutions themselves, considering the Tails, then they could just give Eevee new Special Moves, pull a Pichu, and make the Eeveelutions Eevee Recolors if it's impossible to do them as Echoes.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I don't care about Fortnite either but I'm not going to act overdramatic over the character's inclusion and act like it's a blight upon Smash that ruined the series forever.

l'll just simply choose not to buy it.

Agreed. Fortnite doesn’t necessarily interest me, but even then, I think I could be able to enjoy the inclusion of a fighter from it. Besides, when you get down to it, the fact that it in itself has become a colossal crossover (read: Marvel & DC with some extra goodies on the side) is pretty frickin’ awesome.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

If we get Eevee then I want it's Final Smash to be it's Gigantamax form with it's adorable "Mega Floof" !!!

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

As popular as the Eeveelution fighter concept is, I strongly believe Game Freak would have issues dealing with the evolution gimmick as it does not coincide with how Pokémon works. Even ignoring everything about the Eevee Pokéball, for some reason evolution isn't even touched upon with enhanced spirits, instead opting for Pokémon that can form change. So I doubt Eevee would come with that gimmick.

I do think there is a way to implement Eevee without it, but it risks the mainstream introduction of a certain... Baddy Bad.

 

[Otoad64]

I do think there is a way to implement Eevee without it, but it risks the mainstream introduction of a certain... Baddy Bad.

please elaborate

 

[BlondeLombax]

please elaborate

That’s the name of a dark-type move introduced in the Let’s Go games. They got a lot of dunking-on for the name alone, but I can’t discuss power for myself since I didn’t pick them up.

 

[Goombaic]

Ya know who's a massively popular pokemon that is almost always relevant in some way and isn't a pokeball summon? Garchomp.
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Ignore the fact that he is already a spirit.

And , among several other Pokemon.

We could go on for days discussing these Pokemon, I certainly wouldn't mind.

 

[Otoad64]

That’s the name of a dark-type move introduced in the Let’s Go games. They got a lot of dunking-on for the name alone, but I can’t discuss power for myself since I didn’t pick them up.

oh yeah, I forgot about that lol

 

[ARandomZoomer]

If Eevee were to be a fighter it probably would have its own moveset while summoning its evolutions via specials. Something like how Duck Hunt summons the gunmen. Maybe the same special could be cycled through like Shulk's Monado Arts as well

To go into this idea further its neutral special can be used to temporarily spawn one of its kanto evolutions for an attack, side special summons the one of the johto ones and down special one of the sinnoh ones. There's still variation but they aren't all crammed into one button input

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

And

Now I wonder how people would react to a Smash character that licks everyone.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Now I wonder how people would react to a Smash character that licks everyone.

Oh really?

 

[Commander_Alph]

Now I wonder how people would react to a Smash character that licks everyone.

I mean Jr. down tilt exist

 

[Inue Houji]

Now I wonder how people would react to a Smash character that licks everyone.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

uh oh doublepost

Nope. Riley beat you to it.

As popular as the Eeveelution fighter concept is, I strongly believe Game Freak would have issues dealing with the evolution gimmick as it does not coincide with how Pokémon works. Even ignoring everything about the Eevee Pokéball, for some reason evolution isn't even touched upon with enhanced spirits, instead opting for Pokémon that can form change. So I doubt Eevee would come with that gimmick.

I do think there is a way to implement Eevee without it, but it risks the mainstream introduction of a certain... Baddy Bad.

It is worth noting though that Pokémon are allowed to be depicted evolving while in battle, as it happens all the time in the anime for dramatic effect.

I do think Eevee would have to come with more of an assist gimmick though, with the Eeveelutions coming in with Special Moves, throws, and what have you. Otherwise, you'd have to make Eeveelution temporary (which I believe has been a thing in one manga and that's it), making the stones act like more generic power sources, or permanent, which is just uninteresting, as it would boil down to which Eevelution does the best in the current matchup.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Oh really?

I mean Jr. down tilt exist

Yeah, I kinda forgot those were already there. Something about how Gengar does it is more potentially disturbing, though. Just a big ol' slobber and less of a sticky hand or pool noodle.