Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SvartWolf]

The only thing more doubtful than Sora in Marvel vs Capcom, is there being another Marvel vs Capcom.

heh... I actually though the same.

take your like.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If Sora can't come to Smash, Perhaps he can be put in the next Marvel vs Capcom

I don't think that would happen when they haven't even been able to add Marvel characters to Kingdom Hearts first. (Not counting Big Hero 6 since that was an incarnation done directly by Disney rather than under the MCU brand).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If Sora can't come to Smash, Perhaps he can be put in the next Marvel vs Capcom

That'll only happen if Sora somehow gets in the MCU.

 

[7NATOR]

The only thing more doubtful than Sora in Marvel vs Capcom, is there being another Marvel vs Capcom.

The only way I see there being no Marvel vs Capcom is if Capcom thinks Marvel/Disney is too unreasonable to work with these days. Infinite may have flopped a little, but I don't think it was enough to kill the franchise forever. Plus it's gameplay was Awesome

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why would Sora be in Marvel Vs. Capcom? He's not Marvel or Capcom.

Well...Neither is Norimaro so I guess stranger things have happened.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

This is obviously coming from someone with a huge weakness for the genre, but given how many good platformers DIsney made back in the day, I find myself wishing they could do the same with them again, perhaps utilizing Sora in them specifically because the mass appeal he has. Maybe the potential success of Balan Wonderworld will get Square Enix further invested in the genre going forward.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

This is obviously coming from someone with a huge weakness for the genre, but given how many good platformers DIsney made back in the day, I find myself wishing they could do the same with them again, perhaps utilizing Sora in them specifically because the mass appeal he has. Maybe the potential success of Balan Wonderworld will get Square Enix further invested in the genre going forward.

Ey C chocolatejr9 we’ve got another one in our ranks

but yeah also now would be a good time for some Wonderworld-posting I actually had a dream I was playing it once

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The only way I see there being no Marvel vs Capcom is if Capcom thinks Marvel/Disney is too unreasonable to work with these days. Infinite may have flopped a little, but I don't think it was enough to kill the franchise forever. Plus it's gameplay was Awesome

And being fair, I'm pretty sure the dev team of Infinite is to blame for all the bad parts of the game, not Disney.

Or at the very least, if it wasn't the devs, what they said to cover up was pathetic because some of their explanations made no sense, like X-Men being "too obscure" for Infinite's roster (despite the Logan movie doing really well that same year) or that Doom was redundant because many others had 8-way dashes.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

And being fair, I'm pretty sure the dev team of Infinite is to blame for all the bad parts of the game, not Disney.

Or at the very least, if it wasn't the devs, what they said to cover up was pathetic because some of their explanations made no sense, like X-Men being "too obscure" for Infinite's roster (despite the Logan movie doing really well that same year) or that Doom was redundant because many others had 8-way dashes.

X-men? Too “obscure”? WHEN THEYVE BEEN THE FOUNDATION OF MVC AND WERE EVEN THE BASIS OF ITS PREDECESSOR X-MEN VS STREET FIGHTER???

bruh

while I’m at it where tf is Deadpool

 

[chocolatejr9]

Ey C chocolatejr9 we’ve got another one in our ranks

but yeah also now would be a good time for some Wonderworld-posting I actually had a dream I was playing it once

One of us! One of us!

Anyway, one good thing about the Balan Wonderworld Twitter is that it acknowledges fanart.

Everything is relevant when Balan and Lance are involved! https://t.co/e6naEMtWwF

— Balan Wonderworld (@balanwworld) January 24, 2021

 

[7NATOR]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

“Super Smash Bros is a very popular game,” the 53-year-old remarked. “I think it’s a stage big enough for Ryu Hayabusa to play an active role.”

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

X-men? Too “obscure”? WHEN THEYVE BEEN THE FOUNDATION OF MVC AND WERE EVEN THE BASIS OF ITS PREDECESSOR X-MEN VS STREET FIGHTER???

bruh

while I’m at it where tf is Deadpool

And this is why competitive players aren't always the best people to pick when it comes to directing a fighting game,

Sure, they could do good stuff, and Combofiend sure managed to make a really sick gameplay... but it's pretty clear that while he's a MvC fan, he's not as passionate about the two companies the crossover is made of as he is towards the game itself, which definitely hurt Infinite's casual appeal to the point of not having any.

Or at least that's just my theory.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

At this stage it seems like it’s a bit too late for him, unless there’s a pass 3

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

Um... how is it vague? He's basically saying he'd like Hayabusa in Smash.

 

[Louie G.]

Honestly just wish people would stop asking devs about Smash at this point, I’m not ready to have arguments about whether or not Hayabusa is disconfirmed and what “NDA” entails for the next few months.

My stance is that this doesn’t really impact anything. The answer is as simple as “he could be, it’d be cool” which is about as general as it gets.

 

[7NATOR]

And this is why competitive players aren't always the best people to pick when it comes to directing a fighting game,

Sure, they could do good stuff, and Combofiend sure managed to make a really sick gameplay... but it's pretty clear that while he's a MvC fan, he's not as passionate about the two companies the crossover is made of as he is towards the game itself, which definitely hurt Infinite's casual appeal to the point of not having any.

Or at least that's just my theory.

Personally I don't think he wanted to say that Mageneto was just an 8 Way function that you can get with Ultron, but Perhaps disney didn't want to look bad, so he didn't say the real reason and such

it was still kind of a Bull reason though

Um... how is it vague? He's basically saying he'd like Hayabusa in Smash.

Vague as in it's not a Detailed response that makes it seem like Ryu isn't in the game. Pretty much this response is not the type of response the Doom creators or the Overwatch people gave

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Personally I don't think he wanted to say that Mageneto was just an 8 Way function that you can get with Ultron, but Perhaps disney didn't want to look bad, so he didn't say the real reason and such

it was still kind of a Bull reason though

Looking at the roster, Combofiend should've just said what we were all thinking; Disney wanted the Marvel side to be MCU-focused to advertise the movies.

It'd probably get backlash, but at least the explanation would, y'know, make sense!

 

[SharkLord]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

“Super Smash Bros is a very popular game,” the 53-year-old remarked

 

[Goombaic]

Itagaki doesn't work with Tecmo anymore and most definitely knows nothing about whether or not Hayabusa's in Smash, and all he said was "Yeah, I can see it."

 

[chocolatejr9]

“Super Smash Bros is a very popular game,” the 53-year-old remarked

I didn't even grow up with Ninja Gaiden and I feel old...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And this is why competitive players aren't always the best people to pick when it comes to directing a fighting game,

Sure, they could do good stuff, and Combofiend sure managed to make a really sick gameplay... but it's pretty clear that while he's a MvC fan, he's not as passionate about the two companies the crossover is made of as he is towards the game itself, which definitely hurt Infinite's casual appeal to the point of not having any.

Or at least that's just my theory.

I dunno about that. Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite's "big draw" was its story mode, and a lot of resources went into that. Even some of the roster picks were made because of it. Probably the most biased pick on the roster is Spencer, the rest is kind of just corporate meddlings.

Looking at the roster, Combofiend should've just said what we were all thinking; Disney wanted the Marvel side to be MCU-focused to advertise the movies.

It'd probably get backlash, but at least the explanation would, y'know, make sense!

The problem is that throwing companies involved in a crossover title under the buss is a bad idea.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’m still salty Infinite didn’t have Phoenix Wright

he was the major reason I got into UMvC3

 

[Idon]

Asking Itagaki about Ryu Hayabusa is like asking Kamiya about Dante.

They don't know **** about **** about the goings on of their old creations.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The problem is that throwing companies involved in a crossover title under the buss is a bad idea.

So instead of throwing Marvel under the bus, he decided to jump in front of one himself by saying blatant lies.

Because how the **** are X-Men obsure on the same year of the Logan movie? And the first Deadpool movie did well enough to keep up with MCU movies at the time despite its R rating.

And really, he could've worded the MCU focus in a way that made it sound positive, so it wouldn't really be throwing them under the bus more than it would be angry fans being angry.

But then again, we wouldn't have had this...

...if Combofiend didn't spit bull****

I dunno about that. Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinite's "big draw" was its story mode, and a lot of resources went into that. Even some of the roster picks were made because of it. Probably the most biased pick on the roster is Spencer, the rest is kind of just corporate meddlings.

Oh yeah, Spencer is probably biased because he was one of Combofiend's mains in Marvel 3, iirc.

Still, I feel it was more the convenience of having less work to do since there's a lot of recycling from the previous game roster-wise.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So instead of throwing Marvel under the bus, he decided to jump in front of one himself by saying blatant lies.

Because how the **** are X-Men obsure on the same year of the Logan movie? And the first Deadpool movie did well enough to keep up with MCU movies at the time despite its R rating.

And really, he could've worded it in a way that made it sound positive.

Well he's not really a dedicated PR person and he was probably put on the spot quite a lot, so it could just be the best thing he could have come up with. I mean, I'd probably come up with something stupid too.

 

[7NATOR]

I’m still salty Infinite didn’t have Phoenix Wright

he was the major reason I got into UMvC3

He was probably trying to defend the X-Men in Court on why they should be in Marvel Infinite despite the whole thing with Fox, but after Disney managed to win anyways, he'd probably retired in disgust that Infinite could throw out the Backbone of the MVC Roster

or at least that's my Headcanon. I'm sure he'll be in the Next Marvel vs Capcom

Asking Itagaki about Ryu Hayabusa is like asking Kamiya about Dante.

They don't know ** about ** about the goings on of their old creations.

Sakurai might have consulted with them because they are the OG Creators of the characters, and perhaps if they want to implement that characters the best they can, or perhaps have some Old references, than yes

Though he doesn't have to do that though Legally

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Basically MvC I was the last major vestige of Capcom's dork age period. They had already righted Resident Evil, were about to go huge with Monster Hunter World, and brought Mega Man back the following year. Marvel vs. Capcom is one of the few major franchises that still needs its big comeback title like the aforementioned games were.

 

[Goombaic]

Sakurai might have consulted with them because they are the OG Creators of the characters, and perhaps if they want to implement that characters the best they can, or perhaps have some Old references, than yes

Itagaki didn't create the character, either. He was the director for the first two modern Ninja Gaiden games.

 

[Idon]

Sakurai might have consulted with them because they are the OG Creators of the characters, and perhaps if they want to implement that characters the best they can, or perhaps have some Old references, than yes

Though he doesn't have to do that though Legally

Now you're just making up theories that have no basis in anything.

Neither of them would be consulted because neither of them have any connections to their creations. Any references made don't require contacting the original creator (in Itagaki's case, an adaptation of the character). Using resigned ex-developers as a basis for any sort of speculation is frankly, ridiculous.

If you take anything from their comments, take things like this.

 

[Otoad64]

Now you're just making up theories that have no basis in anything.

Neither of them would be consulted because neither of them have any connections to their creations. Any references made don't require contacting the original creator (in Itagaki's case, an adaptation of the character). Using resigned ex-developers as a basis for any sort of speculation is frankly, ridiculous.

If you take anything from their comments, take things like this.
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I think they mean he would contact them to more accurately represent the characters

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

Itagaki has 0 input on anything at Team Ninja and in turn Ninja Gaiden or Dead or Alive. So this doesn’t really have any impact one way or the other.

 

[DevaAshera]

X-men? Too “obscure”? WHEN THEYVE BEEN THE FOUNDATION OF MVC AND WERE EVEN THE BASIS OF ITS PREDECESSOR X-MEN VS STREET FIGHTER???

bruh

while I’m at it where tf is Deadpool

Deadpool debuted in X-Men, putting him under that umbrella. Pretty much Disney wanted to only promote characters in the MCU, so they nixed any characters owned by Fox or Sony outside of Spider-Man & Venom due to their popularity and Spider-Man being in the MCU..at least that's the common belief..since we do know that Disney meddled in MvC3 similarly, saying Shuma Gorath could only be included as DLC..hence he and Jill being DLC characters.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Y’all gotta read the actual Article. This is the previous director of Ninja Gaiden. He only directed Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2. He was fired from Tecmo-Koei in like 2008 or 2009.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Ninja Gaiden director weighs in on Ryu Hayabusa as Smash Ultimate DLC fighter (dexerto.com)

Itagaki talked about the possibility of Ryu coming to Super Smash Bros. I think the Response is kind of vague, So I don't think it deconfirms him. If you don't want to click on Link or video, here was his response

I dont think he is working for Koei Tecmo rn, so I doubt that this is an outright deconfirmation.

 

[Ben Holt]

This is some "technically Ultimate is Smash 6" **** right here.

It IS Smash 6. Sakurai said so himself.

 

[Will]

Y'all remember when Sora's guy retweeted something about wanting Sora in Smash and everyone hyped it up to hell, right? Y'all see Sora in the game?



That's all I gotta say about the Hayabusa stuff.

This is some "technically Ultimate is Smash 6" **** right here.

Can you count?

 

[SharkLord]

So basically, it's just the old creator going "Yeah, I'd be down" and not having any input on the matter. Gotcha.

Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Out of gas.

pic.twitter.com/isUbaCIBTP

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) January 25, 2021

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

This will kick of a whole new series of interviews where creators no longer involved with their IP's will give generic answers to Smash inclusion:

Can Tails get into Smash?

Yuji Naka: I mean, that would be cool I guess.

What are Crash's chances for the second fighter's pass?

Jason Rubin: I don't know, 50/50?

Will we be seeing Zero playable in Smash soon?

Keiji Inafune: Don't have a clue, but have you heard of a little project called Red Ash?

 

[Goombaic]

Y’all gotta read the actual Article. This is the previous director of Ninja Gaiden. He only directed Ninja Gaiden 1 & 2. He was fired from Tecmo-Koei in like 2008 or 2009.

Dude actually quit AND sued the company. He's only directed Devil's Third of all things ever since.