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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Rie Sonomura

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Alright so

I feel like doing a hypothetical code name guessing game for old times sake

try to figure out what these code names represent

aaaaaaand GO:

fighter_kind_ghost
fighter_kind_dream
fighter_kind_week
fighter_kind_mary
fighter_kind_surface
 

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In fact, an arcade experience where he completely trashed a newbie player at KoF is pretty much one of the things he credits for wanting to make Smash more accessible. So if Sakurai ever went for a traditional fighter, I'm not sure it would be something like CvS. In fact, it's arguably more likely he'd want to develop another beginner-friendly fighter.
20+ years after that and we have a character whose B move does three different things depending on where (s)he is. :4pacman:

Yeah but the ones who buy the DLC are more likely the fans who watch the youtube videos and are still playing the game 2 years later.
While it's true that hardcore fans are more likely to play a game over the long term, there's a point to be made that more casual players can - and oftentimes do - stick around for the long term. Both the big MOBAs are great examples of this: Sure, LoL is by far the larger one (with a claimed 8 million daily players in 2019), but Dota 2 is no slouch either. It and CS GO have monopolized the Top 2 spots amongst Steam's playerbase for almost 8 years (with PUBG interrupting that during 2018).

And I should note that LoL released officially in 2011, CS GO in 2012, and Dota 2 in 2013.

And in the end, the majority of the people watching the videos like almost every character. The one exception was Byleth; With everyone else, there's fifty likes for every dislike. Nintendo doesn't care about the "haters" because nine times out of ten, they're vastly outnumbered.
Nintendo's goal with adding FE characters isn't to appeal to the widest audience possible. If it was, they wouldn't choose a character from FE. It's to put the new FE game in the forefront, and open fanbase circulation between it and Smash.

Which is funny because Smash didn't really make FE more successful. Maybe it helped somewhat when the series finally went global, but FE was in steady decline for nearly ten years afterwards, despite appearances in Brawl and such. FE brought itself back up.

But yeah, if they don't care what Sakurai thinks about FE's volume in the game, they certainly don't care about random angry internet person. I think that's a little unfortunate, because other series could use the love Nintendo makes Smash give FE more than FE does at this point.
With a small caveat: as long as Nintendo doesn't pull an Infinite Warfare (3,9 million dislikes on 44 million views). Now, that's not brought up as an indictment on the game's quality - but to point out that Infinite Warfare was at the time of its trailer's release seen as a massive step too far (with the already-futuristic Advanced Warfare and CoD's general direction fresh in memory).

Edit: Likewise, if a ninth or tenth FE character reaches even remotely close to those numbers, chances are that Nintendo / Sakurai will course correct like Activision did after Infinite Warfare.
 
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2012: Fire Emblem Awakening releases, gets a Smash character
2015: Fire Emblem Fates releases, gets a Smash character
2017: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia releases, no Smash character
2019: Fire Emblem: Three Houses releases, gets a Smash character
2021: Fire Emblem game not announced... yet.
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fighter_kind_ghost
fighter_kind_dream
fighter_kind_week
fighter_kind_mary
fighter_kind_surface
Dream: My first thought was something Kirby-related -- one of the Dream friends like Dee or Adeline? That or Nights are what come to mind for me
Week: Neku, because the Reaper's Game lasts a week
Surface: I could see this being Frisk (the kid from the surface who falls into the monster world) or maybe Chell, since there's a big focus on sticking portals to surfaces
 

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Dream: My first thought was something Kirby-related -- one of the Dream friends like Dee or Adeline? That or Nights are what come to mind for me
Week: Neku, because the Reaper's Game lasts a week
Surface: I could see this being Frisk (the kid from the surface who falls into the monster world) or maybe Chell, since there's a big focus on sticking portals to surfaces
Bingo on Week

dream and surface are incorrect though
 

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2012: Fire Emblem Awakening releases, gets a Smash character
2015: Fire Emblem Fates releases, gets a Smash character
2017: Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia releases, no Smash character
2019: Fire Emblem: Three Houses releases, gets a Smash character
2021: Fire Emblem game not announced... yet.
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That reminds me, I remember seeing pretty much everyone say the next FE game will be another remake. Did we ever establish which one was getting remade? I heard, like, three different things.
 

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:4pacman:

That reminds me, I remember seeing pretty much everyone say the next FE game will be another remake. Did we ever establish which one was getting remade? I heard, like, three different things.
I think the most likely, due to how it apparently inspired a lot of stuff about Three Houses, would be Genealogy of Holy War.
 

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Spoilers incoming

Ghost: Elma. Ghost Factory is one of her Arts
Dream: Reimu. Her spell cards in Imperishable Night begin with Dream Sign
Mary: KOS-MOS (with T-elos alt). Spoilers reasons here I’ll not get into
Surface: octoling. Escape to the surface...
 
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That reminds me, I remember seeing pretty much everyone say the next FE game will be another remake. Did we ever establish which one was getting remade? I heard, like, three different things.
Its a rumor more than anything, so nobody really knows. As far as I can tell the most talked about are FE4, 6 (Roy's game) and 7 (Lyn's game), with Path of Radiance (Ike's first game) occasionally popping up.
Spoilers incoming

Ghost: Elma. Ghost Factory is one of her Arts
Dream: Reimu. Her spell cards in Imperishable Night begin with Dream Sign
Mary: KOS-MOS (with T-elos alt). Spoilers reasons here I’ll not get into
Surface: octoling. Escape to the surface...
I was actually going to try to make a way for Elma to fit all of them, but when I got to week I gave up.
 
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With a small caveat: as long as Nintendo doesn't pull an Infinite Warfare (3,9 million dislikes on 44 million views). Now, that's not brought up as an indictment on the game's quality - but to point out that Infinite Warfare was at the time of its trailer's release seen as a massive step too far (with the already-futuristic Advanced Warfare and CoD's general direction fresh in memory).

Edit: Likewise, if a ninth or tenth FE character reaches even remotely close to those numbers, chances are that Nintendo / Sakurai will course correct like Activision did after Infinite Warfare.
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Good lord
I would certainly hope Nintendo doesn't pull an Infinite Warfare.
 

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Still speaking of AT's, i think Sparkster could have been a nice AT. Although he's not big enough to be a playable rep from Konami, an AT appearance could have make me really happy - and he definitely deserves it.
 

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Good lord
I would certainly hope Nintendo doesn't pull an Infinite Warfare.
That would require Smash 6 to be bundled with Melee HD only having the starter characters and stages, meaning BF is exclusive to Multi-Man Melee and FD is exclusive to fighting Master Hand.
 

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The haters can still hate, and they have a right to do so. Like even personally, I was very disappointed when Byleth was announced, but what's done is done, and they didn't pick Byleth for me, but for other people that enjoyed their character and Three Houses

I don't think they should prevent a character from getting in though. but I wouldn't tell that to the Smash fanbase right after a FE Character gets announced, it might be too soon. but perhaps shortly after.
I wish more vocal Smash fans thought like this (I’m sure the majority in general do, but they’re not as vocal)
 

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Nintendo did pull an Infinite Warfare. It was called Metroid Prime: Federation Force. :p

But to be fair, not only is it unlikely we ever hear from that sub-sub-brand again, or revisit its art style, but the next time they had a Metroid to reveal, they learned to offset the negativity of focusing on the 3DS by also revealing MP4, thereby actually giving the 3DS game a chance to find success instead of finding itself in the line of fire from an already agitated fanbase. And it's funny and ironic because Nintendo doesn't like revealing games as early as they did MP4 for the exact reason of what happened to that game, but the point still stands that they learned from the backlash. Though obv it wasn't to the scale of CoD.

I don't think a Smash reveal will ever receive reception as unilaterally negative as that. And even if it did, unless it actually translated into majorly deviating from their sales' forecast, I think the most they would do is alter how they announced the character in the future. Because there were options they could've taken to mitigate the negative response from Byleth in the way they revealed the character, which was, I think we can all agree, inadvisable. Though it seems like that wasn't even their initial plan to reveal them that way.

If, for instance their original intention was to reveal them at the game awards, as they had done the year previous and the following year, I think they actually chose the lesser of two evils delaying them into January. That's not the crowd that wants to see another FE character.
 
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So there's 2 questions i got to ask?

What should the title of the Next Smash game be called?

Ultimate as a name has finality that's associated with the definition of Ultimate, so I personally think the next game title should have something to do with rebirth, but what do you think?

Should the next Smash have a Free to Play option

Should there be a version of the next Smash game that people can play for free?
 

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Nintendo did pull an Infinite Warfare. It was called Metroid Prime: Federation Force. :p

But to be fair, not only is it unlikely we ever hear from that sub-sub-brand again, or revisit its art style, but the next time they had a Metroid to reveal, they learned to offset the negativity of focusing on the 3DS by also revealing MP4, thereby actually giving the 3DS game a chance to find success instead of finding itself in the line of fire from an already agitated fanbase. And it's funny and ironic because Nintendo doesn't like revealing games as early as they did MP4 for the exact reason of what happened to that game, but the point still stands that they learned from the backlash. Though obv it wasn't to the scale of CoD.

I don't think a Smash reveal will ever receive reception as unilaterally negative as that. And even if it did, unless it actually translated into majorly deviating from their sales' forecast, I think the most they would do is alter how they announced the character in the future. Because there were options they could've taken to mitigate the negative response from Byleth in the way they revealed the character, which was, I think we can all agree, inadvisable. Though it seems like that wasn't even their initial plan to reveal them that way.

If, for instance their original intention was to reveal them at the game awards, as they had done the year previous and the following year, I think they actually chose the lesser of two evils delaying them into January. That's not the crowd that wants to see another FE character.
How dare you make me remember Federation Force!? I spent year’s hypnotizing that out of my mind!
 

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So there's 2 questions i got to ask?

What should the title of the Next Smash game be called?

Ultimate as a name has finality that's associated with the definition of Ultimate, so I personally think the next game title should have something to do with rebirth, but what do you think?
either rebirth or evolution imo
Should the next Smash have a Free to Play option

Should there be a version of the next Smash game that people can play for free?
by free do you mean "freemium"? if so then

NO!
 

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What they will name the next Smash heavily relies on what they choose to do. If they do reboot it I don't think the title will draw attention to that, and instead focus on what's new and exciting.
 

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So there's 2 questions i got to ask?

What should the title of the Next Smash game be called?

Ultimate as a name has finality that's associated with the definition of Ultimate, so I personally think the next game title should have something to do with rebirth, but what do you think?

Should the next Smash have a Free to Play option

Should there be a version of the next Smash game that people can play for free?
Super Smash Bros Infinite. Super Smash Bros Smackdown. New Super Smash Bros. Take your pick names don’t really matter.
And no, I don’t want any free to play BS to muddy up Smash. I’m A OK with paying 60 every console generation, as well as what comes with DLC.
 

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That reminds me, I remember seeing pretty much everyone say the next FE game will be another remake. Did we ever establish which one was getting remade? I heard, like, three different things.
Nope.

People have thrown in arguments for Genealogy, Blazing, Binding (often together), and even Radiance buuuuuuuuut we don't have a solid idea of what's to come.
 

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Super Smash Bros Infinite. Super Smash Bros Smackdown. New Super Smash Bros. Take your pick names don’t really matter.
And no, I don’t want any free to play BS to muddy up Smash. I’m A OK with paying 60 every console generation, as well as what comes with DLC.
oh Geez I’m getting MVC Infinite flashbacks...
 

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So there's 2 questions i got to ask?

What should the title of the Next Smash game be called?

Ultimate as a name has finality that's associated with the definition of Ultimate, so I personally think the next game title should have something to do with rebirth, but what do you think?

Should the next Smash have a Free to Play option

Should there be a version of the next Smash game that people can play for free?
I kinda want a spiritual successor/spinoff more than a full sequel. Keep the freedom and accessibility of Smash, applied to a more traditional fighting game. So you're in an enclosed environment, you've got more expanded movesets, and the aim is to deplete the opponent's health bar, but you can still run around, there's still platforms to get up on, you keep the directional inputs instead of complex commands, and there's obviously still the crossover aspect. In this scenario, I propose that they change the suffix; Something like "Hyper Smash Bros." or "Victorious Smash Bros." Something like that.
 
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