Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Mushroomguy12]

Personally, I see no timeline where we get Chun-Li, but not another Sonic character, so if Chun-Li is in, we getting either Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

I don't think they have anything to do with each other.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Too late, I'm now imagining Great Fairies chasing Link in BotW2 to kill him out of his guilt for destroying fine pottery

Well they are the scariest characters in the game so that seems legit.

Joining them in the tormenting is Magda. Link will know the flower's rage.

 

[Perkilator]

Going off of this, I'm going to try and compile a list of each represented companies' biggest possible series. Please do review this list; I want to make sure it's accurate. Bold is already represented in the base game, italics are a maybe, strikethrough has post-launch content. Fighters who got a DLC pack. are strikethrough'd and bolded, as are companies who got a pack in FP2 specifically. I'll take interviews and such into account later.

Konami

• Metal Gear
  • Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
• Castlevania - Already covered, very extensively I must add. Not sure there's much left that count feasibly be added at this point.
• Bomberman
• Frogger
• Contra
• Silent Hill

Sega (Atlus)

• Sonic the Hedgehog
  • Eggman Empire - Not necessarily a subseries or game, but is a side of the series that hasn't been covered yet
• Persona
  • Shin Megami Tensei - Ironic that it's listed under Pesona, when it's the other way around
• Yakuza
• Puyo Puyo
• Sakura Wars

Capcom

• Mega Man
  • Mega Man X
  • Mega Man Battle Network
  • Mega Man Legends
• Street Fighter
  • Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
  • Street Fighter IV
• Monster Hunter
  • Only a boss; Full pack isn't out of the running
  • Monster Hunter Rise
• Resident Evil, also known as Biohazard in Japan...
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney

Bandai-Namco

• Pac-Man
• Tekken
• Tales
• Dark Souls
• Digimon?

Square Enix (Taito)

• Final Fantasy
• Dragon Quest
• Tomb Raider
• Nier: Automata
• Space Invaders
• Bubble Bobble

Microsoft (Rare, various indies)

• Banjo-Kazooie
• Minecraft
• Cuphead?
• Halo

SNK

• Fatal Fury
  • King of Fighters
• Samurai Shodown
• Metal Slug

Again, feel free to review this list and give me some suggestions. I want to make this one a definitive list.

Don't forget to put Kingdom Hearts under "Square Enix".

 

[Idon]

Personally, I see no timeline where we get Chun-Li, but not another Sonic character, so if Chun-Li is in, we getting either Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

Though for Chun-li being scrapped for Ken, So far in Ultimate some series have gotten 1 Echo and 1 Unique newcomer (Mario, Castlevania, Fire Emblem, Metroid) so the same thing could happen to Street Fighter, though Ken might be considered more of an unique character though due to his changes, but Street fighter still has an unique slot if this pattern continues

Why start at Chun-Li?

Personally, I see no timeline where we got Sephiroth, but not another Sonic character, so since Sephiroth is in, we getting either Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

 

[PeridotGX]

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Yes. A disappointing display, that.

 

[7NATOR]

I don't think they have anything to do with each other.

If they were considering adding Additional Reps to 3rd Parties, there's no way Sonic wasn't at least considered

Now I could understand if Sephiroth was the only one in FP2, considering how Lackluster the FF7 Content was

But Considering Street Fighter already got Ken (even if he is an echo) in this game, and they got a Boost in content with 36 Songs now (even if all from SF2), It would be weird if Street Fighter got another character in this game in FP2, Totaling to 2 New characters in the same game, while Sonic still gets none, especially since so many been requesting for some substantial update to the content

And I know, the merits of the charcaters and reps may not what the Team is looking at, But Eggman, Tails, Shadow & Knuckles are about as Iconic (or More) than Chun-Li is. It's also why I didn't mention that Sephiroth was chosen because he was Sephiroth, because Chun-Li and All the Sonic characters are about as Iconic as him

 

[DarthEnderX]

That's even more characters than Chrono Cross I believe.

Yeah, but it's no Suikoden.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Going off of this, I'm going to try and compile a list of each represented companies' biggest possible series. Please do review this list; I want to make sure it's accurate. Bold is already represented in the base game, italics are a maybe, strikethrough has post-launch content. Fighters who got a DLC pack. are strikethrough'd and bolded, as are companies who got a pack in FP2 specifically. I'll take interviews and such into account later.

Konami

• Metal Gear
  • Metal Gear Rising Revengeance
• Castlevania - Already covered, very extensively I must add. Not sure there's much left that count feasibly be added at this point.
• Bomberman
• Frogger
• Contra
• Silent Hill

Sega (Atlus)

• Sonic the Hedgehog
  • Eggman Empire - Not necessarily a subseries or game, but is a side of the series that hasn't been covered yet
• Persona
  • Shin Megami Tensei - Ironic that it's listed under Pesona, when it's the other way around
• Yakuza
• Puyo Puyo
• Sakura Wars

Capcom

• Mega Man
  • Mega Man X
  • Mega Man Battle Network
  • Mega Man Legends
• Street Fighter
  • Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
  • Street Fighter IV
• Monster Hunter
  • Only a boss; Full pack isn't out of the running
  • Monster Hunter Rise
• Resident Evil, also known as Biohazard in Japan...
• Devil May Cry
• Ace Attorney

Bandai-Namco

• Pac-Man
• Tekken
• Tales
• Dark Souls
• Digimon?

Square Enix (Taito)

• Final Fantasy
• Dragon Quest
• Kingdom Hearts?
• Tomb Raider
• Nier: Automata
• Space Invaders
• Bubble Bobble

Microsoft (Rare, various indies)

• Banjo-Kazooie
• Minecraft
• Cuphead?
• Halo

SNK

• Fatal Fury
  • King of Fighters
• Samurai Shodown
• Metal Slug

Again, feel free to review this list and give me some suggestions. I want to make this one a definitive list.

SNK could very easily get a Second Character if they wanted to, just with a Pack focusing more on Metal Slug or SamSho, you know?

 

[Louie G.]

Personally, I see no timeline where we get Chun-Li, but not another Sonic character, so if Chun-Li is in, we getting either Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

But Considering Street Fighter already got Ken (even if he is an echo) in this game, and they got a Boost in content with 36 Songs now (even if all from SF2), It would be weird if Street Fighter got another character in this game in FP2, Totaling to 2 New characters in the same game, while Sonic still gets none, especially since so many been requesting for some substantial update to the content

I'm not disqualifying the worth of another Sonic character, or the legacy of the series in general...

But man the Smash community overblows the significance of Sonic. Probably explained by the natural bias toward cartoony platforming series, the audience here overlaps a lot more compared to traditional fighters - but Sonic isn't on some pedestal above other third parties that owes him anything that a series like Street Fighter isn't just as worthy of getting and can very well receive on its own merits completely independent from Sonic.

Sorry 7nator for highlighting you specifically but I see it all the time from a bunch of people and it's just draining. Chun-Li is a big deal, she doesn't have to wait for Eggman or Tails (also big deals, fwiw) to open the door for her. And no, Sephiroth isn't an exception just because FF7 had skim content. I doubt that was much of a concern at all, and that Sephiroth was added because... he's Sephiroth god dammit. It certainly helps but clinging onto exceptions and baseless assumptions like this is what ends up just throwing everyone for a loop when it's eventually proven wrong. It happens every time and I'm not going to buy into that anymore.

Street Fighter can get another character. So can Sonic. And those can both happen without the other.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Why start at Chun-Li?

Personally, I see no timeline where we got Sephiroth, but not another Sonic character, so since Sephiroth is in, we getting either Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles

Bruh I'm the exact opposite. Sephiroth is the reason why I can't see another Sonic Character, and if we get another SEGA Character, it's probably Puyo Puyo, Sakura Wars, or maybe Monkey Ball considering the Revival Nick Robinson on YouTube Leaked.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Chun Li's real competition is from various other notable Capcom characters. It could be that Sephiroth was a case where both Nintendo and SE saw him as the ideal addition but perhaps Monster Hunter or a Dante fulfill that role for their respective company. Given how a big a deal Mr. One Wing Angel himself is to gaming in general, him being the one non-Echo third party DLC franchise addition while other ones to come are from new series wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

 

[SharkLord]

SNK could very easily get a Second Character if they wanted to, just with a Pack focusing more on Metal Slug or SamSho, you know?

Hypothetically yes, but with the tracks, Spirits, and costumes, I doubt it. SamSho especially; Nakoruru and Haohmaru got Spirited, with the former being Mii'd as well.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

It would be weird if Street Fighter got another character in this game in FP2, Totaling to 2 New characters in the same game, while Sonic still gets none, especially since so many been requesting for some substantial update to the content

What's so "weird" about it? Plenty of series got two new characters (with one echo) in this game while others got none.

 

[SharkLord]

What's so "weird" about it? Plenty of series got two new characters (with one echo) in this game while others got none.

I do feel it'd be odd if a third party's fighter count suddenly tripled, though. Even though he's an Echo, Ken's still a borderline-semiclone and a member of the Street Fighter trifecta alongside Ryu and Chun-Li. For Street Fighter to get it's three main characters when twelve-or-so other third-parties don't would feel rather odd.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What's so "weird" about it? Plenty of series got two new characters (with one echo) in this game while others got none.

Castlevania got two characters whilst Sonic didn’t, despite Shadow being a viable Echo Fighter.

I do feel it'd be odd if a third party's fighter count suddenly tripled, though. Even though he's an Echo, Ken's still a borderline-semiclone and a member of the Street Fighter trifecta alongside Ryu and Chun-Li. For Street Fighter to get it's three main characters when twelve-or-so other third-parties don't would feel rather odd.

It’d be no more odd than other Final Fantasy games getting practically nothing in terms of content.

 

[SharkLord]

Castlevania got two characters whilst Sonic didn’t, despite Shadow being a viable Echo Fighter.

To be fair Richter was a much straighter Echo, with Simon straight-up taking moves from him. Plus, they came at the same time, while Sonic was added back in Brawl; The deal was likely for both of them while Nintendo would need a second deal with Sega.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I do feel it'd be odd if a third party's fighter count suddenly tripled, though. Even though he's an Echo, Ken's still a borderline-semiclone and a member of the Street Fighter trifecta alongside Ryu and Chun-Li. For Street Fighter to get it's three main characters when twelve-or-so other third-parties don't would feel rather odd.

By that logic it was "odd" for Fire Emblem to get 4 characters while plenty of other first parties didn't get all their main characters in Smash 4. Still happened regardless.

 

[Louie G.]

I do feel it'd be odd if a third party's fighter count suddenly tripled, though. Even though he's an Echo, Ken's still a borderline-semiclone and a member of the Street Fighter trifecta alongside Ryu and Chun-Li. For Street Fighter to get it's three main characters when twelve-or-so other third-parties don't would feel rather odd.

The way I see it, once any of those series has a character as noteworthy and significant as Chun-Li then by all means they could and should get that treatment.

Street Fighter is unique in that Chun-Li is practically the co-mascot of the series alongside Ryu. No matter how important someone like Tails or Eggman is, for example, they are not in the position of matching or occasionally surpassing the original main character.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

To be fair Richter was a much straighter Echo, with Simon straight-up taking moves from him. Plus, they came at the same time, while Sonic was added back in Brawl; The deal was likely for both of them while Nintendo would need a second deal with Sega.

That might be the case, but it doesn’t change how surprising it was. Most people thought that Sonic would be the first third-party franchise to get multiple characters.

 

[SharkLord]

It was "odd" for Fire Emblem to get 4 characters while plenty of other first parties didn't get all their main characters in Smash 4. Still happened regardless.

FE's owned by Nintendo. I think the standards they're based on are a bit different.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

With Sonic I sometimes wonder that, even with the relatively good relationship between Nintendo and Sega and the frequency of stuff like the Olympic crossovers, if Nintendo just doesn't have much interest in the game cast beyond him specifically. They have the big name for the novelty of him vs. Mario and perhaps have concluded the rest simply aren't a priority (maybe even assuming they have enough of that series fanbase playing already).

All just open speculation but I am curious.

 

[7NATOR]

I'm not disqualifying the worth of another Sonic character, or the legacy of the series in general...

But man the Smash community overblows the significance of Sonic. Probably explained by the natural bias toward cartoony platforming series, the audience here overlaps a lot more compared to traditional fighters - but Sonic isn't on some pedestal above other third parties that owes him anything that a series like Street Fighter isn't just as worthy of getting and can very well receive on its own merits completely independent from Sonic.

Sorry 7nator for highlighting you specifically but I see it all the time from a bunch of people and it's just draining. Chun-Li is a big deal, she doesn't have to wait for Eggman or Tails (also big deals, fwiw) to open the door for her. And no, Sephiroth isn't an exception just because FF7 had skim content. I doubt that was much of a concern at all, and that Sephiroth was added because... he's Sephiroth god dammit. It certainly helps but clinging onto exceptions and baseless assumptions like this is what ends up just throwing everyone for a loop when it's eventually proven wrong. It happens every time and I'm not going to buy into that anymore.

Street Fighter can get another character. So can Sonic. And those can both happen without the other.

Well I wouldn't say Sonic's Significance is overblown. While Sonic's Games have still been hit or miss (the 3D Ones anyway), he's still killing it when it comes to other forms of media, which is why you still see Kids getting into Sonic even to this day


But actually, I agree with everything you said. Chun-Li would get in independent of Another Sonic Character, and vice versa. I guess though I would just get Very heavily frustrated if Both Sephioth and Chun-Li both got in, but Sonic still left to rot, When Another Sonic character has pretty much Similar reasons (and maybe more) to get in. and with Ken already in, it does make it harder to see, even if Chun-Li is super iconic

It's why I personally can't see Chun-Li being in, but not Eggman, Tails, Shadow or/& Knuckles. theoretically though it is possible, and you do you, I do me

 

[JOJONumber691]

Chun Li's real competition is from various other notable Capcom characters. It could be that Sephiroth was a case where both Nintendo and SE saw him as the ideal addition but perhaps fulfill that role Monster Hunter or a Dante for their respective company.

Chun-Li could be cool, like REALLY Cool (especially if she brings in Mahvel Mechanics to set herself apart more from Ryu and Ken), I just don't see her getting in after Ken, especially since the 5chan Leak had some stuff in it relating to Chun-Li getting replaced with Ken.
You know what, if any Preexisting Third Party is getting a Full Blown Second Original Character, it's going to be Castlevania (Soma Cruz, Alucard, Trevor), or SNK (Metal Slug and SamSho). I'm that confident in us not getting a Second Sonic Character or Chun-Li after Sephiroth.

 

[Wigglerman]

Not gunna lie though...I REALLY want to spam SPINNINGA BIRHD KICK! so...Chun for life.

 

[Louie G.]

With Sonic I sometimes wonder that, even with the relatively good relationship between Nintendo and Sega and the frequency of stuff like the Olympic crossovers, if Nintendo just doesn't have much interest in the game cast beyond him specifically. They have the big name for the novelty of him vs. Mario and perhaps have concluded the rest simply aren't a priority (maybe even assuming they have enough of that series fanbase playing already).

All just open speculation but I am curious.

I feel similarly, and it's hard to explain why. I think a big part of it is that Sonic always just feels like he's "there" in Smash and not much more. He has a fair bit of content but it doesn't feel particularly inspired or loving in the same way a lot of other series and characters do.

Which is quite sad and a good enough reason to justify adding more Sonic content... but simultaneously is telling to me that Nintendo and Sakurai might just be more enthusiastic about implementing other series and characters instead. It just doesn't feel like there's any pressing incentive to add more from Sonic nor any real excitement behind the idea among the team. That's why it's hard for me to imagine Sonic getting another character until maybe Smash 6.

Well I wouldn't say Sonic's Significance is overblown. While Sonic's Games have still been hit or miss (the 3D Ones anyway), he's still killing it when it comes to other forms of media, which is why you still see Kids getting into Sonic even to this day

Oh don't get me wrong, Sonic as a character is an absolute powerhouse and is a mascot legitimately comparable to Mario or Pac-Man. I just feel that people use this too often to try and saying like "Sonic DESERVES a new character over all the other third parties" which feels very dismissive of some of those other series and characters who may have just as much merit if not more in their own right.

It doesn't help that, until recently, a lot of people were just saying "we want another Sonic rep" and didn't really back anyone in particular. It comes off as a bit disingenuous sometimes and motivated solely by the idea that Sonic is just important enough to get something. Which I agree with but more and more the suggestion of "new [insert series] rep" annoys me since it feels like missing the point of why characters should be added in the first place.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Chun-Li could be cool, like REALLY Cool (especially if she brings in Mahvel Mechanics to set herself apart more from Ryu and Ken), I just don't see her getting in after Ken, especially since the 5chan Leak had some stuff in it relating to Chun-Li getting replaced with Ken.
You know what, if any Preexisting Third Party is getting a Full Blown Second Original Character, it's going to be Castlevania (Soma Cruz, Alucard, Trevor), or SNK (Metal Slug and SamSho). I'm that confident in us not getting a Second Sonic Character or Chun-Li after Sephiroth.

Chun-Li can't get in after Ken, because she was "replaced" with him in a rumor and she would be a third SF character, but we can get a third Castlevania character like Alucard even though Sakurai stated he replaced him with the Belmonts? (Not to mention we got only one SF newcomer in Ultimate while we got two Castlevania newcomers).

 

[SharkLord]

Chun-Li could be cool, like REALLY Cool (especially if she brings in Mahvel Mechanics to set herself apart more from Ryu and Ken), I just don't see her getting in after Ken, especially since the 5chan Leak had some stuff in it relating to Chun-Li getting replaced with Ken.
You know what, if any Preexisting Third Party is getting a Full Blown Second Original Character, it's going to be Castlevania (Soma Cruz, Alucard, Trevor), or SNK (Metal Slug and SamSho). I'm that confident in us not getting a Second Sonic Character or Chun-Li after Sephiroth.

To be honest I think Castlevania and SNK are the least likely. They pretty much blew all the content on the base game and Terry's pack, respectively. There just isn't much new content that could be feasibly added. If Chun-Li's down because she was considered but replaced, so is Alucard.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Given the Tales livestream in March and also its 25th anniversary. My prediction for the next character is Yuri coming with the Lloyd Mii.

I think Chun-Li will be our E3 reveal. A throwback to Ryu's reveal and being the first and most iconic fighting game female warrants her such a reveal there.

 

[Greyfox22]

Imo the reason Sonic hasn`t gotten a new rep yet is that secondary characters probably haven`t been considered before Ultimate and there just hasn`t been a reason to prioritize adding another Sonic character. I`m still not entirely sold on the idea of Chun-LI (even though I really want her in the game) but I don`t really see a reason there would need to be another Sonic rep before her.

 

[SharkLord]

Given the Tales livestream in March and also its 25th anniversary. My prediction for the next character is Yuri coming with the Lloyd Mii.

I think Chun-Li will be our E3 reveal. A throwback to Ryu's reveal and being the first and most iconic fighting game female warrants her such a reveal there.

I must stress that the Tales Livestream Theory is not because of the anniversary, just the major streamed event that happens to line up with the next predicted DLC date. Heck, it's not even on the actual anniversary date; That was in December.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'd must stress that the Tales Livestream Theory is not because of the anniversary, just the major streamed event that happens to line up with the next predicted DLC date. Heck, it's not even on the actual anniversary date; That was in December.

Ah gotcha, thanks for the correction. Still predicting Yuri otherwise I could see the opposite with Chun-Li in March and him (Or Ryu Hayabusa) at E3 being Tales is a big series, one of the most popular JRPG and him the most popular Tales protagonist to the point he's left out of polls as he'd win them all.

 

[SharkLord]

Ah gotcha, thanks for the correction. Still predicting Yuri otherwise I could see the opposite with Chun-Li in March and him (Or Ryu Hayabusa) at E3 being Tales is a big series, one of the most popular JRPG and him the most popular Tales protagonist to the point he's left out of polls as he'd win them all.

I'd also like to add that Lloyd is also the most popular Tales protagonist, just with the Smash fanbase (And arguably the general audience as well) instead of the Tales fanbase. The argument basically boils down to if you think Nintendo would appeal to the Smash fanbase or the Tales fanbase; I'm personally leaning towards the former, since that's Nintendo's game.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'd also like to add that Lloyd is also the most popular Tales protagonist, just with the Smash fanbase (And arguably the general audience as well) instead of the Tales fanbase. The argument basically boils down to if you think Nintendo would appeal to the Smash fanbase or the Tales fanbase; I'm personally leaning towards the former, since that's Nintendo's game.

But with the trend of returning Sm4sh Miis, I feel his chances honestly aren't too good now. I feel he and Monster Hunter are gonna return as Miis.

Also, if that's the case, why again is Yuri left out of polls and not Lloyd?

 

[7NATOR]

Oh don't get me wrong, Sonic as a character is an absolute powerhouse and is a mascot legitimately comparable to Mario or Pac-Man. I just feel that people use this too often to try and saying like "Sonic DESERVES a new character over all the other third parties" which feels very dismissive of some of those other series and characters who may have just as much merit if not more in their own right.

It doesn't help that, until recently, a lot of people were just saying "we want another Sonic rep" and didn't really back anyone in particular. It comes off as a bit disingenuous sometimes and motivated solely by the idea that Sonic is just important enough to get something. Which I agree with but more and more the suggestion of "new [insert series] rep" annoys me since it feels like missing the point of why characters should be added in the first place.

-Well at least with me, I don't try to word it in a way where Sonic derserves a 2nd Character over the others, and I'm not trying to dismiss the Merits of other Franchises

The Main reason I can't see Chun-Li getting in and not Another Sonic character is because I see Chun-Li and Eggman, Tails, Shadow, & Knuckles around the same Iconic bubble and recognizability. With the fact that Street Fighter actually did get a New character with Ken and substantial boost in content (even if it's SF2 focused, which is a shame), and Sonic did not get much besides the Knuckles Assist, despite the fact there's been many requests for Another Character or Sonic rework, it would just boggle my mind if Sonic did not get anything, and Chun-Li got in. But Chun-Li is one of the Most Iconic charcaters missing and is extremly important to her franchise, So it would make sense if she got in, but I don't see this hypothetical scenraio happening personally

-Sonic has the Zelda problem, where there's not just one obvious character for people to rally behind because the Main 4 all have their own merits, and their own fans

Eggman is the Main villain
Tails is Sonic's Iconic sidekick, and the both of them are one of the Most Iconic duos
Shadow is the 2nd Most popular character, and the Popular Rival Character
& Knuckles is the OG Rival character, and the Most Memable character (along with the character most known for Fighting)

There are people that just want Sonic to get a New character, and really don't care which since they like all the characters

But there are also many people that have a Specific Want. I personally Want Shadow. I'd be cool with Eggman & Knuckles (Tails would be disappointing for me to be honest), and even other Sonic characters like Silver and Metal Sonic, but Shadow is the Main character I want the most, and honestly the only character I Really want besides Goku and Vergil, and some others

But there are many that Only want Eggman, Only want Tails, Only want Knuckles. There's some that would be fine with these 3, but would hate Shadow, or some that would hate Tails, hate Eggman, etc

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

But with the trend of returning Sm4sh Miis, I feel his chances honestly aren't too good now. I feel he and Monster Hunter are gonna return as Miis.

Also, if that's the case, why again is Yuri left out of polls and not Lloyd?

My theory that Yuri would be the Tales rep is because if it was Lloyd, I think either the Gil or Heihachi costume would have been saved for Lloyd. Alternatively the Lloyd Mii could just be saved for another Namco character or the company that develops Smash really is getting the shortest end of the stick.

 

[SharkLord]

But with the trend of returning Sm4sh Miis, I feel his chances honestly aren't too good now. I feel he and Monster Hunter are gonna return as Miis.

Also, if that's the case, why again is Yuri left out of polls and not Lloyd?

Honestly, I can't say I find the returning Mii argument too solid. Lloyd's a popular request and would represent a big JRPG franchise, and Monster Hunter is a consistent moneymaker, especially after World. It feels rather shallow to just dismiss a character based on them having a Mii but then push someone from the same series.

Lloyd doesn't top the Tales polls because those are aimed at the Tales fanbase, not the Smash fanbase. There's some overlap, but they're overall just different demographics.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Chun-Li can't get in after Ken, because she was "replaced" with him in a rumor and she would be a third SF character, but we can get a third Castlevania character like Alucard even though Sakurai stated he replaced him with the Belmonts? (Not to mention we got only one SF character in Ultimate while we got two Castlevania characters).

Because, Ken was already extremely unique, even by Echo Standards, Barely Qualifying as an Echo, getting Debated by the entire Smash Team on whether he should be counted as an Echo, not only that, but Capcom also has several other IP that I see getting in before Chun. Sorry Chun, I simply can't see you being Number Four. Sonic is also another Series I can see getting outprioritzed by another Series from SEGA, while Castlevania is Konami's Most Active IP, and has SEVERAL Characters who could bring in content based off of their own titles, and some of those NPCs, alongside some insanely unique ideas (Character Specific Abilities on After KO'ing an Opponent, Gliphs and MP, Character Swapping between a Mage and a Belmont, etc etc.). While SNK has a HUGE Budget Advantage for later on in the Pass. That and Metal Slug and SamSho could make for some very unique Challenger Packs. It's a Matter of Priorities at the end of the day, and I sincerely think that Sonic and Street Fighter simply have Competition too big to get a Non-Echo Newcomer now. That's my Reasoning and Logic my guy.

 

[SharkLord]

Because, Ken was already extremely unique, even by Echo Standards, Barely Qualifying as an Echo, getting Debated by the entire Smash Team on whether he should be counted as an Echo, not only that, but Capcom also has several other IP that I see getting in before Chun. Sorry Chun, I simply can't see you being Number Four. Sonic is also another Series I can see getting outprioritzed by another Series from SEGA, while Castlevania is Konami's Most Active IP, and has SEVERAL Characters who could bring in content based off of their own titles, and some of those NPCs, alongside some insanely unique ideas (Character Specific Abilities on After KO'ing an Opponent, Gliphs and MP, Character Swapping between a Mage and a Belmont, etc etc.). While SNK has a HUGE Budget Advantage for later on in the Pass. That and Metal Slug and SamSho could make for some very unique Challenger Packs. It's a Matter of Priorities at the end of the day, and I sincerely think that Sonic and Street Fighter simply have Competition too big to get a Non-Echo Newcomer now. That's my Reasoning and Logic my guy.

I think Nintendo's aiming more for profitability than uniqueness.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Honestly, I can't say I find the returning Mii argument too solid. Lloyd's a popular request and would represent a big JRPG franchise, and Monster Hunter is a consistent moneymaker, especially after World. It feels rather shallow to just dismiss a character based on them having a Mii but then push someone from the same series.

Lloyd doesn't top the Tales polls because those are aimed at the Tales fanbase, not the Smash fanbase. There's some overlap, but they're overall just different demographics.

I mean.

Joker = Tails and Knuckles
Banjo = Proto Man and Zero
Terry = Akira
Byleth = Mega Man X and EXE
Min Min = Heihachi
Steve = Gil
Sephiroth = Chocobo Hat and Geno

See the pattern? That's why I'm skeptical of Lloyd as with Monster Hunter and leaning towards Yuri.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

To be honest I think Castlevania and SNK are the least likely. They pretty much blew all the content on the base game and Terry's pack, respectively. There just isn't much new content that could be feasibly added. If Chun-Li's down because she was considered but replaced, so is Alucard.

I can't speak on Castlevania, but I promise you there's definitely new content that can feasibly be added for SNK.