Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Perkilator]

Broke: voting for your favorite character
Woke: voting for better online
A S C E N D E D: voting for more music from your favorite series

I could write a whole story about that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I’d like that, personally. The more that Nintendo knows about the fans desires, the better. A ballot is kind of the best way to measure that.

If the next game had a longer hype cycle, it might be interesting to see a ballot then that goes right up until DLC gets locked in. Of course, you would have to preface with the fact that this would only factor into DLC, not the base roster.

Wouldn't doing the broke option also lead to ascended tho?

B R O C E N D E D

 

[Goombaic]

How would you guys feel about another fighter ballot? Same thing as 4s, a few popular choices become DLC, the rest are saved for next game.

Ballot era was my favorite era of speculation, so I'm down for that. It also got us Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, etc, so really only good can from another one.

 

[Mamboo07]

How would you guys feel about another fighter ballot? Same thing as 4s, a few popular choices become DLC, the rest are saved for next game.

No... just nope.

Way too many stupid votes on Goku, Shrek, Assist Trophy characters and more. As well the saltiness when Bayonetta got in.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Broke: voting for your favorite character
Woke: voting for better online
A S C E N D E D: voting for more music from your favorite series

Sounds great.
“Who did you vote for?”
“Porky Means Business.”
“So you voted for Porky?”
“No.”

 

[Arcanir]

Huh, interesting. What about the actual sub-area? Is it based on anywhere in particular or is it just a generic wooded area?

Probably the latter. As far as I can tell, it doesn't seem take from any particular one more then the other so it's probably just a generic representation of a recurring area from the series.

How would you guys feel about another fighter ballot? Same thing as 4s, a few popular choices become DLC, the rest are saved for next game.

It could be interesting to see which characters would stand out in terms of popularity, but I would be worried about the potential tribalism that could come from it. The late period of the Smash 4 DLC could get pretty nasty due to that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I do not want a bunch of friggin Goku votes again

No... just nope.

Way too many stupid votes on Goku, Shrek, Assist Trophy characters and more.

Real Talk though: Why are "stupid votes" a bad thing? If the devs find them stupid or impossible to add then they'll just ignore the votes. I don't really see the problem.

 

[TheCJBrine]

They should’ve had an Area 1 music remix come with Bomberman’s mii costume smh.

 

[N3ON]

I don't get the frequent antipathy towards the ballot. Most of the ballot era was positive and hopeful, and the derailment at the end was due to Nintendo's poor communication about the true intentions of the ballot and dishonesty about the inclusion, not the ballot itself.

The ballot lead us to getting and maybe . We don't really need another, we still have enough popular candidates from the first, many of whom landed supporting roles, but getting another would hardly be a bad thing.

And who cares if people waste their votes on Goku, Shrek and Spongebob? It's not like we'd get those characters.

Though there are a lot of innately popular deconfirmed characters right now, who will suffer on a ballot from their current circumstances when they otherwise would place better, which is perhaps reason to not have one currently. They'd work better earlier in the cycle.

 

[Sophitia]

I don't get the frequent antipathy towards the ballot. Most of the ballot era was positive and hopeful, and the derailment at the end was due to Nintendo's poor communication about the true intentions of the ballot and dishonesty about the inclusion, not the ballot itself.

The ballot lead us to getting and maybe . We don't really need another, we still have enough popular candidates from the first, many of whom landed supporting roles, but getting another would hardly be a bad thing.

And who cares if people waste their votes on Goku, Shrek and Spongebob? It's not like we'd get those characters.

Though there are a lot of innately popular deconfirmed characters right now, who will suffer on a ballot from their current circumstances when they otherwise would place better, which is perhaps reason to not have one currently. They'd work better earlier in the cycle.

I'm also almost sure the ballot is why we got back, since I assume a lot of the votes went towards Snake, Wolf and Ice Climbers. Oh, not to mention . I think others like Inkling and Isabelle may have done well too but they were getting in either way.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I’m convinced characters like Krystal, Isaac, Bomberman, Shadow, Lyn, and more all ranked pretty high in the ballot so yeah even without the ones I missed that’s a solid lineup for next game.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The ballot lead us to getting and maybe . We don't really need another, we still have enough popular candidates from the first, many of whom landed supporting roles, but getting another would hardly be a bad thing.

And who cares if people waste their votes on Goku, Shrek and Spongebob? It's not like we'd get those characters.

Well, Goku technically got a supporting role too.

 

[Froggy]

The Ballot results were never actually released right? I really hope they don't make that mistake again if they do it again the second time around.

 

[Sophitia]

The Ballot results were never actually released right? I really hope they don't make that mistake again if they do it again the second time around.

No, I wish they did, but I guess it was to avoid rage from the highest characters that didn't get in, especially if they were above others who did.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The Ballot results were never actually released right? I really hope they don't make that mistake again if they do it again the second time around.

The reason was probably because Bayonetta didn't actually win and they didn't want that to be explicitly known

 

[SharkLord]

As a Tales of fan, I hate to say it but I don't think either are going be as flashy as orher swordies like Hero who has his zany spells or Sephiroth who has a plethora of cool spacing options and magic. Like Terry, they're going to be a lot more technically involved more likely beung heavily conbo focused and if Overlimit is a thing and my fan moveset is an accurate prediction, they're gonna focus on chaining together combos with relatively simple moves to baaically make their moves so faster. I should post it one day, ha!

As a former Terry main, I can't say I'd be unhappy with that

 

[N3ON]

I'm also almost sure the ballot is why we got back, since I assume a lot of the votes went towards Snake, Wolf and Ice Climbers. Oh, not to mention . I think others like Inkling and Isabelle may have done well too but they were getting in either way.

The veterans, yes, good point.

Bayonetta was already licensed before the ballot, as she was in the data two weeks after it kicked off. Nintendo just anticipated she'd place well on the ballot so preemptively added her. Which explains the very awkward explanation of her placement, as it seems like they slightly overestimated how well she'd do. So she did alright, but she was going to be added regardless of how she did. She's not really a genuine ballot inclusion.

I’m convinced characters like Krystal, Isaac, Bomberman, Shadow, Lyn, and more all ranked pretty high in the ballot so yeah even without the ones I missed that’s a solid lineup for next game.

I imagine that's why the new ones were added, along with characters like Knuckles, Zero and Alucard.

 

[Ivander]

How would you guys feel about another fighter ballot? Same thing as 4s, a few popular choices become DLC, the rest are saved for next game.

If another one is done, the best timing would be anytime when the Smash team is not planning. Like after Ultimate's DLC run is over or before the planning stages of the next Smash Bros' DLC. I just think that if they do another Ballot, it needs a better timing and some better communication so that it doesn't lead into another Corrin/Bayonetta scenario.

 

[zumaddy]

I'm still astounded the only two characters I voted for in the ballot got in, Bayonetta and Roy. I really lucked out with Smash 4 DLC.

I'm not sure they'll do it again.... They're probably dreading Waluigi being Top 5 lol.

 

[SpecterFlower]

No... just nope.

Way too many stupid votes on Goku, Shrek, Assist Trophy characters and more. As well the saltiness when Bayonetta got in.

well without the ballot ultimate would not have happened so in the end it worked out I guess

 

[N3ON]

Well, Goku technically got a supporting role too.

Good ol Goku joku. Never gets old.

I'm still astounded the only two characters I voted for in the ballot got in, Bayonetta and Roy. I really lucked out with Smash 4 DLC.

I'm not sure they'll do it again.... They're probably dreading Waluigi being Top 5 lol.

Well unfortunately, even though they should be, it's not like they're obligated to add Waluigi.

 

[Froggy]

Bayonetta was already licensed before the ballot, as she was in the data two weeks after it kicked off. Nintendo just anticipated she'd place well on the ballot so preemptively added her. Which explains the very awkward explanation of her placement, as it seems like they slightly overestimated how well she'd do. So she did alright, but she was going to be added regardless of how she did. She's not really a genuine ballot inclusion.

Dang, is that a known fact? Its really ****ty of them not to use decide what character they were going to use before the ballot even started

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Dang, is that a known fact? Its really ****ty of them not to use decide what character they were going to use before the ballot even started

Well, they used the ballot more for Ultimate’s base rather than the Smash 4 DLC anyway.

 

[N3ON]

Dang, is that a known fact? Its really ****ty of them not to use decide what character they were going to use before the ballot even started

The only thing confirmed is that she was in the data ~two weeks after the ballot began, so the rest can be pretty reasonably extrapolated.

It wasn't unearthed until Ultimate had already been revealed. Had it been known around the actual Corrin/Bayo reveal, the furor would've been unprecedented, as people were already angry with the results, and accusing the ballot of being fixed. Which surprisingly, they were right about.

Well, they used the ballot more for Ultimate’s base rather than the Smash 4 DLC anyway.

True, but that's not how they painted the picture back then.

 

[7NATOR]

The Ballot also came before Cloud got in, who's inclusion in Smash 4 paved the way for more speculation around "Non-Nintendo oriented" characters. Joker also shattered it even further as well

I also think there be much more votes Since Ultimate has been such a hit with audiences, shattering Sales records and stuff like that

So I think Another Ballot after Ultimate, after the characters we actually got in Smash 4 and Ultimate, will probably be much more important than the first ballot. The votes would more cover the General Gaming space than just the Nintendo Gaming space, There be more votes in General (the first Ballot had 1.8 Million votes), and I also think Veterans wouldn't be siphoning votes

 

[Schnee117]

Real Talk though: Why are "stupid votes" a bad thing? If the devs find them stupid or impossible to add then they'll just ignore the votes. I don't really see the problem.

Real talk: they're only "stupid votes" in that they're not votes for who those posters want to see

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They did a poor job explaining the ballot, yep. While it mentioned future games to some degree, it wasn't clear it was more of a suggestion box. It even says "we may make them DLC", and the results for Bayonetta were actually spoken of, which gave the impression she got in due to that. When it was apparently more of a coincidence instead.

I am glad the data we have was released later, yeah. That would've made things much much worse, since at least it her being a high placer when she's actually a notable yet niche character isn't super odd. Since despite not being in related to the ballot doesn't negate she got good results anyway. It just avoided a bigger meltdown, which there was already annoyances over her "winning". The good thing about Ultimate is that it made it far more clear about the suggestion box factor too. Since multiple characters got in due to the ballot. There's also a good chance series got more content due to it too, like Golden Sun, but that's just a guess at this point, with nothing to really back it up.

I wouldn't mind another ballot. Just be a tad more clear than last time.

 

[SharkLord]

On the topic of a Tales character, from what I can tell the most unique characters would actually be Velvet or Ludger, from what I can tell. The former is mainly kick-based, with one arm having a blade and the other being a big demon arm. The latter alternated between dual swords, dual guns, and a hammer.

 

[Froggy]

Well, they used the ballot more for Ultimate’s base rather than the Smash 4 DLC anyway.

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

 

[Otoad64]

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

pretty much the latter, because nobody was talking about bayonetta and ultimate happens to add a bunch of big requests it's pretty obvious what happened

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

Pretty sure Sakurai mentioned Castlevania characters got in because of the ballot. That and other stuff like K Rool and Chrom getting a mii costume in Smash 4 because of popularity then making it in Ultimate.

 

[Goombaic]

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

It's been said multiple times. Even Iwata said during the reveal of the ballot that they would take it into consideration for future entries.

 

[SneakyLink]

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

Sakurai did mention the ballot back when he discussed in a August 2018 Famitsu column.

Source

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

How would you guys feel about another fighter ballot? Same thing as 4s, a few popular choices become DLC, the rest are saved for next game.

I think it'd be interesting if only for the fan polls that would come out of it. It's been a while since we've gotten a wide indication of characters' popularity in the core fanbase (I do not count heavily biased fan polls such as those by PapaGenos), so I'd like to see how things have changed over the last couple of years compared to the last Ballot.

 

[osby]

Can't say I want another ballot as the first one was what gave a lot of fan-favorite support groups the courage the dunk on any character who wasn't popular to talk about in the Smash fanbase.

Steve and Sephiroth's reactions were great, I don't want to go back to "we aren't talking about this character non-stop since Melee so they are an objectively bad pick" days.

 

[Mamboo07]

Can't say I want another ballot as the first one was what gave a lot of fan-favorite support groups the courage the dunk on any character who wasn't popular to talk about in the Smash fanbase.

Steve and Sephiroth's reactions were great, I don't want to go back to "we aren't talking about this character non-stop since Melee so they are an objectively bad pick" days.

What do you mean?

 

[AndresSSB]

I think Madeline from Celeste would be a cool pick, maybe just playing Celeste as of late made me think that she would be a cool mechanic based character, and her dash mechanic would make for a cool move set.

 

[ZelDan]

I see no issue with another fan ballot. The only drama around the ballot I remember was all the Bayonetta stuff, and that drama would be easy to avoid with a second ballot by just being more clear what the intentions of the ballot are.

 

[NintenRob]

I think Madeline from Celeste would be a cool pick, maybe just playing Celeste as of late made me think that she would be a cool mechanic based character, and her dash mechanic would make for a cool move set.

Did Celeste release in Japan? Because I've been thinking we might get an indie character and Celeste feels like a real contender since it was a game of the year nominee.

Although i have no idea what Madeline can do besides wall jumps and air dashes

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

Has the smash 4 ballot being used for Ultimate base game been confirmed anywhere? Or are we just assuming that because the characters that got in are the characters we think would have done well in the ballot?

While the article is mostly about Banjo-Kazooie, It also mentions Ridley and King K. Rool too.

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate creator Masahiro Sakurai says Banjo-Kazooie were 'incredibly requested' even after King K. Rool and Ridley made the cut