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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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UltimateCyborgOverlord

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Shouldn't the last "rule" to be broken, the last "thing that can't happen", be "If ANY Assist Trophy is getting promoted... it's Waluigi"?
Uhhh... I... I guess what I'm saying is the last "rule" to be broken is an Assist Trophy upgrade which is one of those things that has been often declared as something "that can't happen"
 

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but king boo didn’t debute in sunshine.
It's his first appearance (of 3) in the main series.

But like, if we were to only take his main series appearances into account, then he'd be such a nothing character with no merits whatsoever. He has his absolutely awful debut in Super Mario Sunshine, a boss fight in Super Mario 64 DS (a remake), and an Easter egg cameo in New Super Luigi U, and its port, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe.
 

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Speaking of King Boo, I still find it a bit odd that there's still no Luigi's Mansion 3 spirit event, over a year and a half after the game released.
 

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Uhhh... I... I guess what I'm saying is the last "rule" to be broken is an Assist Trophy upgrade which is one of those things that has been often declared as something "that can't happen"
I think Guynamednelson is trying to push Isaac again, which to be honest, no problem with

The thing is that if Waluigi does get in first, technically that rule can never be broken, since an Assist can't get in over Waluigi is Waluigi is already in. I wouldn't consider this a rule, more like an Assumption that's up to Interpretation

Waluigi being the First Assist Promotion is definitly a likely scenraio, especially since Reggie himself said he talked to Sakurai about it. with that being said, I think people do tend to overate Waluigi in relation to the other Assists, maybe. At the least, Shadow & Knuckles both have major pros in their favor for getting in first actually, some could even argue Shovel Knight maybe. Personally for me, Isaac is a toss up, but leaning towards no, but that's just me
 

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Speaking of King Boo, I still find it a bit odd that there's still no Luigi's Mansion 3 spirit event, over a year and a half after the game released.
same. Would be great if he’s last. You know what, now that I think about it, king boo would actually fit Mute theory if that ended up being legit. King boo doesn’t use voices when he gets hit if I remember rightly so there probably wouldn’t be enough voices for him to have his own voice section.
 

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Luigi mansion also isn’t a spin-off. It gets its own racetracks in Mario kart games and gets its own characters in it. Not to mention it’s always referenced in most spin-off sports titles because it’s mainline and canon

not to mention smash bros literally only uses mainline moves from characters. If Luigi Mansion wasn’t canon then Luigi wouldn’t even be allowed the poltergeist as apart of his moveset.

and on top of that the original game in the series is developed by Nintendo themselves so it’s automatically mainline and canon to the Mario series.

even more on top of that, E gadd literally originated in Luigi mansion and then appears in Mario sunshine. In no way shape or form is Luigi Mansion a spin-off.
It's always been a spin-off.

Also, being made by Nintendo has zero relevance to how a spin-off is defined. That has nothing to do with it. Nintendo actually has 3rd party companies make their own mainline games too(for instance, the Oracle Zelda games are both mainline and canon, and completely made by Capcom). Hell, the closest to a spin-off that still plays like an actual proper Zelda game is the CD-i games, and only because Nintendo refused to make them canon or mainline to begin with.

Spin-off is unrelated to canon in itself. Tons of spin-off games in franchises are still part of the core canon. All spin-off actually means is that it's a major change in the core gameplay. Mainline series(in context of Super Mario) are the platformers, which for some reason Nintendo arbitrarily doesn't include Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, but otherwise, yeah.

You can be referenced anywhere anyway. That's unrelated to spin-off or mainline. Super Mario is super popular and Mario Kart is one of the best selling spin-off sub-series of all times, which is why it's treated as a big deal. Luigi's Mansion is a spin-off of Super Mario to begin with. Though to be fair, there's a difference between spin-offs that basically are part of the core canon, and ones that become a massively different series(Donkey Kong spun-off into Super Mario and the Donkey Kong Country franchises, after all).
 

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Shouldn't the last "rule" to be broken, the last "thing that can't happen", be "If ANY Assist Trophy is getting promoted... it's Waluigi"?
It's less a rule and more where most bets are.

Luigi mansion also isn’t a spin-off. It gets its own racetracks in Mario kart games and gets its own characters in it. Not to mention it’s always referenced in most spin-off sports titles because it’s mainline and canon
It is a spin-off, it's just one of the lucky ones to actually get attention from other series. It's also not the only spin-off to get Mario Kart tracks. It is extremely rare, but it does happen as seen with the Donkey Kong Country tracks.

not to mention smash bros literally only uses mainline moves from characters. If Luigi Mansion wasn’t canon then Luigi wouldn’t even be allowed the poltergeist as apart of his moveset.
Not true. Peach and Daisy pull from the sports titles, Dr. Mario himself is a spin-off character, Bowser Jr. references the Mario Kart series, and Piranha Plant has moves from RPGs like Paper Mario.

and on top of that the original game in the series is developed by Nintendo themselves so it’s automatically mainline and canon to the Mario series.
That's not how that works. If it was, then the only way you could make a spin-off is by outsourcing a game, which isn't true.

even more on top of that, E gadd literally originated in Luigi mansion and then appears in Mario sunshine. In no way shape or form is Luigi Mansion a spin-off.
There are various characters that appear in spin-off games that also make appearances in the Mario series as well. Professor E. Gadd, is just one of the few that doesn't debut in the mainline games. Also, Super Mario Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion released only a year apart, so it is possible that he was made for Super Mario Sunshine, and then used by the Luigi's Mansion devs later on in development.

EDIT: One last thing to note is that the Super Mario series doesn't really care about continuity, so a spin-off character appearing in a mainline title doesn't necessarily mean that the spin-off is now cannon.

EDIT EDIT: Rereading this, I think I gave the post a harsher tone than intended. Sorry about that.
 
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King boo doesn’t use voices when he gets hit if I remember rightly so there probably wouldn’t be enough voices for him to have his own voice section.
I mean, he does have a voice. It'd be weird if he got in and didn't make a sound.
 

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Ending the September Direct on the CP11 reveal instead of starting the direct with it would be nice.
Depending on the character, of course.
What could possibly go wrong?

"We have one last announcement to make."



ALFONSE IS SUMMONED.

"That's right, Alfonse from the hit mobile game Fire Emblem Heroes is joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate as the final DLC character. Please look forward to a presentation at a later date."

Don't get me wrong, I feel like they're going to have a Smash Bros. reveal at the end of a Direct (it seems like a good way to keep people watching for the entire thing), but I'm hoping that whoever the final reveal is, it's a character that will get people excited, rather than ending on a low note or by blatantly trying to promote something.

Admittedly, "wanting the final character to be one that people like" is probably the coldest take imaginable, but given the track record that Smash has with ending release cycles, I have my doubts. Even going back to Melee (:gawmelee::wolf::4darkpit::4bayonetta::ultincineroar::ultbyleth:), I think the only time where the ending of a Smash release cycle wasn't seen as a low point was Bayonetta, and even then, people still hate the character and say the ballot was rigged over six years later. (plus, Corrin was revealed and released at the same time as her)

I find it tough to be optimistic about the final character; it likely doesn't help that seemingly every character that I want (Dante, Geno, Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa, Impa, Travis Touchdown, etc.) has been ruled out, either explicitly or implicitly. (though at least I got Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo-Kazooie, and all of the veterans returning, so I can't really complain) If it's someone like Crash Bandicoot, that would be great, but I have a feeling that it's going to be Nintendo trying to promote something like with Corrin and Byleth, whether it's Pokemon Legends: Arceus, a mobile game like Fire Emblem Heroes, or something else.
 
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ALFONSE IS SUMMONED.
With how Sakurai knows people don't want more Fire Emblem, and especially don't want more Fire Emblem sword fighters (EDIT: and has taken measures to limit the swordfightereyness of the previous character), I would be floored if he picked Alfonse given the choice between him, Kiran, Anna, and...Sharina, was it? I'd imagine he'd pick either Kiran or Anna since they open the door to quite a few fun and new ideas. Kiran even has the ability to include Alfonse, Sharina, and Anna to cover all of Fire Emblem: Heroes's bases, and even summon other, more minor (and by that, I mean not the current main character) characters for full Fire Emblem fanservice.

that feel when Lyn gets into Super Smash Bros., but only as a summon attack for Kiran
 
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Do you guys still think we're getting someone associated with the color purple? Because even though it was debunked, the colors on the Smash site seems to follow similar colors. Even Sephiroth's is a grayish-green.
 

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Do you guys still think we're getting someone associated with the color purple? Because even though it was debunked, the colors on the Smash site seems to follow similar colors. Even Sephiroth's is a grayish-green.
We could, but since it's no longer confirmed, the chances of it happening are incalculable.
 

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Do you guys still think we're getting someone associated with the color purple? Because even though it was debunked, the colors on the Smash site seems to follow similar colors. Even Sephiroth's is a grayish-green.
I don't think color theory holds any weight whatsoever. I really do not think they're picking characters to fit some arbitrary color pattern.
 
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That's apparently true. The chances are it will be a purplish character but said character likely won't be associated with it.
 

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I'd rather see a Street Fighter game focusing on Sakura & Dark Sakura (as two separate entities, both of them good people) more than another MvC game at this point.
So...girls and their evil doppelgangers is just, like, your fetish, huh?

Get over your obsession already, it doesn't matter.
The irony...

Luigi mansion also isn’t a spin-off. It gets its own racetracks in Mario kart games and gets its own characters in it.
The ****s that have to do with being a spinoff?
 
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I'd rather see a Street Fighter game focusing on Sakura & Dark Sakura (as two separate entities, both of them good people)
I mean... I'm down for if they'd wanna do a "Street Fighter OOPS ALL GIRLS" game. I wouldn't say no to that at all, make Sakura the main fighter tryna be "the very best like no one ever was" and then like Karin is "the one to beat" until the Chairperson shows up and hey here's Tiffany too, uh oh here comes Rainbow Mika, yadda yadda.
 

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Do you guys still think we're getting someone associated with the color purple? Because even though it was debunked, the colors on the Smash site seems to follow similar colors. Even Sephiroth's is a grayish-green.
I think it's possible. I don't think purple is the source of inspiration though. More so because the character will look great on a purple background and the bgcolor is what's been detectable not the other way around (as is if to suggest they started with bgcolors first then tried to fill in the picks based solely on that which would be inane.)
 

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Ahhh so kinda like the whole Barba/Volvagia thing between Ocarina of Time and Adventure of Link except in reverse where this time they're NOT the same character.
Yeah and it makes sense when you consider Sunshine came out after Luigi's Mansion so you'd think it would make sense that a big boss Boo with a crown would be his royal highness.
 

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Ahhh so kinda like the whole Barba/Volvagia thing between Ocarina of Time and Adventure of Link except in reverse where this time they're NOT the same character.
Now, if you want weirder ones, we have more than one Malon and Talon in the series. Like, three different ones. At least Marin and Tarin are explained as being dream characters. Just how many legacy characters can exist? XD Malon and Talon don't have a reincarnation factor like Link, Zelda, and Ganon/dorf do.
 

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Now, if you want weirder ones, we have more than one Malon and Talon in the series. Like, three different ones. At least Marin and Tarin are explained as being dream characters. Just how many legacy characters can exist? XD Malon and Talon don't have a reincarnation factor like Link, Zelda, and Ganon/dorf do.
And Beedle too!
 

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Color me surprised if King Boo is the last character but I do appreciate seeing him constantly pop up in discussion (albeit typically when talking about missing LM3 spirits), a fresh face in speculation. Keep this up and he'll be up there with big support next Smash game. What helps is Luigi's Mansion growing bigger and bigger too.
 

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Color me surprised if King Boo is the last character but I do appreciate seeing him constantly pop up in discussion (albeit typically when talking about missing LM3 spirits), a fresh face in speculation. Keep this up and he'll be up there with big support next Smash game. What helps is Luigi's Mansion growing bigger and bigger too.
I love other villains and such getting brought up too, like King Boo isn't usually brought up when talking about "the Mario villain" but like... more power to him if he shows man! I like him pretty good.

Like, I'm still kinda holding out for Wart one day. It'll probably never happen but man if I don't love him. Let him spit some bubbles, heck maybe even pull a NSMB and trap HIMSELF in a bubble to fly back onto the stage.

I would laugh pure joy if Reznor got in a Mario Kart game, just him with his paws on a wheel as he races around in a kart made of ramshackled wood or Clawglip on a kart made of rocks or something.

The "other Mario villains" are really fun man! I'd love to see more of them.


DID SOMEONE SAID PURPLE IN THIS HOUSE?
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Did Waluigi and Johnny Bravo do the Fusion Dance?
 

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Like.... regarding "purple theory", if Waluigi were CP11, it would be because Nintendo peered over their glasses at Sakurai and said "SURELY you can make Waluigi a DLC fighter, yes?", not because Waluigi is purple.
When Sakurai said that, he was talking about how much of an absurd idea Steve was, but he still made him playable. How is Waluigi much more absurd of an idea than Steve?
 

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And Beedle too!
Skull Kid can be explained as a species too. Same with other monsters.

Also, many species evolve or die out or something anyway, like the Kokiri to Korok, Gorons barely survived, and Zora evolved into Rito, at least during the WW storyline. Which makes BOTW funnier(though it has no official timeline placement) since it has both Zora and Rito, respectively.

But yeah, there's quite a few recurring characters without an explanation. Impa is a time traveler, which justifies her being anywhere(her body changes to fit the time, apparently, too. So it's not like she's always able to fight the same way, or fight at all). Tingle also appears in multiple timelines, which gets awkward. Same with his brothers. MM doesn't matter cause it's a different dimension, but WW has no ties to Four Swords at all. They're different timelines as is. Maybe he's an ageless being? He is from a different land(his origin story of Rosey Rupeeeland and all).
 

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When Sakurai said that, he was talking about how much of an absurd idea Steve was, but he still made him playable. How is Waluigi much more absurd of an idea than Steve?
I don't think he's absurd at all. I'm just saying "Nintendo's calling the shots", a joke Sakurai also made a variation of when discussing Kazuya's inclusion, though it was one that didn't translate to English from Japanese what with the whole "voice from heaven" from a company with "ten" in their name.
 
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