Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

to be fair, paper Mario with a moveset made up form sticker star, colour splash and origami king woudnt be a bad idea.

The problem with doing so is that most of the Stickers and Cards are just random items and Power Ups; If you used too many of them it would look incoherent due to the lack of context. It's the same reason why Mario's moveset doesn't really use Power Ups either.

I would keep the Stickers/Cards to a single Special Move. Well, that and the Final Smash. The Star Powers are fun, but they ain't got nuthin' on the Thing Stickers/Cards in terms of visuals.

Well...there are also the Valmentals, but they're also pretty meh in terms of visuals.

That, or, go with 100m; the one that already sort of looks like a Smash stage

I'd go with 25 m since it means there aren't ladders abound for no reason. Otherwise I like the layout.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The philosophy behind 75m is probably that Sakurai wanted a chaotic stage.

Some stages are just designed to be chaotic messes. There is fun to be had with madness on occasion.

It's not the best example of that in Smash (Spear Pillar ftw) but its probably the reason.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

would do anything for dimentio’s theme, o chunks theme, count blecks theme, super paper Mario’s final battle theme, that disco vibe theme from TTYD in space, TTYD final battle theme, 2nd phase of colour splash’s final boss etc. Missed opportunity

Speaking of missed opportunities...

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?

People say that Super Punch-Out!! is non-canon, but come on: there's a way that the developers of Punch-Out!! Wii could've make it canon by ACTUALLY EXPLAINING why Little Mac looked so different in the SNES Super Punch-Out!! instead of saying "The SNES Little Mac isn't Little Mac." That excuse was just out-right stupid (much like how said developers of Punch-Out!! Wii turned Aran Ryan from a fair fighter into a FREAKING PSYCHOPATH WHO BROUGHT A FLAIL INTO THE RING). They could've said that Little Mac bleached his hair and had it grow out a little bit while also getting different boxing trunks for crying out loud!

Also, Super Punch-Out!! could've used some songs in Smash Bros. as well (mainly Minor Circuit & Special Circuit).

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?

Possibly yes.

Super Punch Out Mac looks.... off. His face just does not translate into 3D at all.

Spoiler: Horror

(much like how said developers of Punch-Out!! Wii turned Aran Ryan from a fair fighter into a FREAKING PSYCHOPATH WHO BROUGHT A FLAIL INTO THE RING).

They took one of the most boring boxers and turned him into one of the most popular.

It was a good idea.

 

[Shroob]

Speaking of missed opportunities...

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?
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People say that Super Punch-Out!! is non-canon, but come on: there's a way that the developers of Punch-Out!! Wii could've make it canon by ACTUALLY EXPLAINING why Little Mac looked so different in the SNES Super Punch-Out!! instead of saying "The SNES Little Mac isn't Little Mac." That excuse was just out-right stupid (much like how said developers of Punch-Out!! Wii turned Aran Ryan from a fair fighter into a FREAKING PSYCHOPATH WHO BROUGHT A FLAIL INTO THE RING). They could've said that Little Mac bleached his hair and had it grow out a little bit while also getting different boxing trunks for crying out loud!

Also, Super Punch-Out!! could've used some songs in Smash Bros. as well (mainly Minor Circuit & Special Circuit).

But that's what made Aran Ryan fun.

Beforehand, he was just a boring dude.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Possibly yes.

Super Punch Out Mac looks.... off. His face just does not translate into 3D at all.

Spoiler: Horror

True. Though knowing Nintendo, they could at least make it match the debut game if they ever were to bring SNES Little Mac back.

They took one of the most boring boxers and turned him into one of the most popular.

It was a good idea.

On paper, YES.

In the execution... just no.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?

Yes. Mac's appearance was pretty much cemented by Wii Punch-Out. They made the obvious correct choice with that one.

Also, Super Punch-Out!! could've used some songs in Smash Bros. as well (mainly Minor Circuit & Special Circuit).

Agree.

But that's what made Aran Ryan fun.

Beforehand, he was just a boring dude.

He was Pizza Pasta with a different face.


Man, but they DO need to make a sequel to Wii Punch-Out that brings back all the SPO characters.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

On paper, YES.

In the execution... just no.

How?

Aran Ryan is beloved by almost every Punch Out!! fan now.

People love him.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Speaking of missed opportunities...

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?

I don't think that would have been a good idea but it could have been an alternate costume.

Super Punch Out Mac looks.... off. His face just does not translate into 3D at all.

...

I don't think his original design was to blame for this monstrosity of a 3D model.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

How?

Aran Ryan is beloved by almost every Punch Out!! fan now.

People love him.

People love him now because he's just been turned into a meme worthy psychopath who mocks Mac and has a total of 21 infractions (according to the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combat Sports). In the SNES Super Punch-Out, he has no rule infractions what-so-ever and plays fair and square. HE EVEN COMPLIMENTS MAC IN THE CREDITS OF THE SNES GAME! What the heck happened during the transition from Super Punch-Out!! to Punch-Out!! Wii?!

 

[HYRULESHERO42]

I wouldn’t say no to a Super Punch Out costume option for Mac alongside the wireframe. But they definitely chose the correct Little Mac design

 

[Shroob]

People love him now because he's just been turned into a meme worthy psychopath who mocks Mac and has a total of 21 infractions (according to the Association of Boxing Commissions and Combat Sports). In the SNES Super Punch-Out, he has no rule infractions what-so-ever and plays fair and square. HE EVEN COMPLIMENTS MAC IN THE CREDITS OF THE SNES GAME! What the heck happened during the transition from Super Punch-Out!! to Punch-Out!! Wii?!

They took a bland character and made him unique.


Punch Out Wii is a reboot effectively. Aran Ryan really had nothing to make him stand out as a character. Compared to Super's cast of WACKY characters, he was frankly boring.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

They took a bland character and made him unique.


Punch Out Wii is a reboot effectively. Aran Ryan really had nothing to make him stand out as a character. Compared to Super's cast of WACKY characters, he was frankly boring.

That STILL doesn't answer my question!

It's a reboot, yes. But in his debut game Aran was so nice to Little Mac! Why did they have to give him the Yami Marik treatment and make him a psychopath?!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

People love him now because he's just been turned into a meme worthy psychopath...

To be fair, this could be used to describe basically everyone in PUNCH-OUT!! for the Wii.

 

[Shroob]

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That STILL doesn't answer my question!

If you're looking for a lore reason, there probably isn't one. They re-made Aran to be a heel.


There's no Punch Out timeline or anything, in Punch Out Wii, Super never happened.



The devs probably just wanted to take a boring character and do more than just "IRISH STEREOTYPES."

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

To be fair, this could be used to describe basically everyone in PUNCH-OUT!! for the Wii.

Except Piston Honda & Disco Kid.

 

[Momotsuki]

They took a bland character and made him unique.


Punch Out Wii is a reboot effectively. Aran Ryan really had nothing to make him stand out as a character. Compared to Super's cast of WACKY characters, he was frankly boring.

I'd really love to see a Super Punch-Out!! on the Switch, come to think of it. Having it be to the SNES' Super Punch-Out!! what the Wii game was to MTPO. Of course, the Wii game took cues from other entries in the series, such as the current point of discussion. Such a Switch title could do the same, perhaps even including Alice & Ape III as an opponent? IDK. Anything PO-related would be nifty.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I'd really love to see a Super Punch-Out!! on the Switch, come to think of it. Having it be to the SNES' Super Punch-Out!! what the Wii game was to MTPO. Of course, the Wii game took cues from other entries in the series. Such a Switch title could do the same, perhaps even including Alice & Ape III as an opponent? IDK. Anything PO-related would be nifty.

Ah, I see! A man of culture.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The devs probably just wanted to take a boring character and do more than just "IRISH STEREOTYPES."

Actually I think they went "MOAR IRISH STEREOTYPES!!!" since IIRC, being super violent is one of them, and Aran Ryan is definitely that.

A lot of PUNCH-OUT!!'s characters are just "the character, but we lean even harder into the stereotypes", so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Actually I think they went "MOAR IRISH STEREOTYPES!!!" since IIRC, being super violent is one of them, and Aran Ryan is definitely that.

A lot of PUNCH-OUT!!'s characters are just "the character, but we lean even harder into the stereotypes", so it wouldn't surprise me.

being super violent is one of them,

Well... looks like I've found someone else who's watched the Harrison Ford movie "Patriot Games".

 

[BlondeLombax]

I always thought SPU Mac looked oddly like a Toriyama character (specifically Trunks, I wish I could explain.)

 

[Speed Weed]

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?

I hope so

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd really love to see a Super Punch-Out!! on the Switch, come to think of it. Having it be to the SNES' Super Punch-Out!! what the Wii game was to MTPO. Of course, the Wii game took cues from other entries in the series, such as the current point of discussion. Such a Switch title could do the same, perhaps even including Alice & Ape III as an opponent? IDK. Anything PO-related would be nifty.

They could have King K. Rool replace Donkey Kong as the secret opponent.

Or an ARMS character. That could be pretty interesting as well. Imagine they just wrap their ARM around Little Mac, and then punch him in the face.

Maybe Bowser Jr. and Villager could get in on the action too. lol

Well... looks like I've found someone else who's watched the Harrison Ford movie "Patriot Games".

Nope never heard of it.

EDIT: I just remember seeing memes about the stereotype.

I always thought SPU Mac looked oddly like a Toriyama character (specifically Trunks, I wish I could explain.)

Well I mean...he is wearing trunks.

But yeah, his hair does look like Trunk's hair when he starts to go Super Sayian.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Oh, we’re talking about 75M being a trash stage? I have the perfect MockRock video for that.

(MockRock is my personal favourite Smash content creator to watch due to his editing style)

 

[WeirdAlFan101]

Yeah, as being the background for the game that birthed Mario...75m is pretty awful, I must say.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Jwittz put it best.

 

[PSIGuy]

sometimes I think Sakurai tries too hard to be clever and things like 75M are the result.
"This stage has a flavor to it that isn’t found anywhere else."
yeah it tastes like ass

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Speaking of missed opportunities...

Am I the only guy who thought this would've been a better pick for Little Mac's Smash Bros. appearance?
View attachment 328191
People say that Super Punch-Out!! is non-canon, but come on: there's a way that the developers of Punch-Out!! Wii could've make it canon by ACTUALLY EXPLAINING why Little Mac looked so different in the SNES Super Punch-Out!! instead of saying "The SNES Little Mac isn't Little Mac." That excuse was just out-right stupid (much like how said developers of Punch-Out!! Wii turned Aran Ryan from a fair fighter into a FREAKING PSYCHOPATH WHO BROUGHT A FLAIL INTO THE RING). They could've said that Little Mac bleached his hair and had it grow out a little bit while also getting different boxing trunks for crying out loud!

Also, Super Punch-Out!! could've used some songs in Smash Bros. as well (mainly Minor Circuit & Special Circuit).

The following is meant as a joke:

Ah, yes, the superior Aryan model! You can tell his superiority over his Mediterranean counter part in the manner of his skull. Raised cheekbones indicate a stronger and more robust jawline, great for absorbing more cross jabs. Then there is the circumference of his cranium indicating greater intelligence than the Soutthern European model. The skull is larger no doubt due to generations of Norman forebearers having to brave the cold forests of Germania and beyond relaying on their wits and brute strength over speed and agility required for warning climates. A great display of Darwinism if I dare say so myself.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The following is meant as a joke:

Ah, yes, the superior Aryan model! You can tell his superiority over his Mediterranean counter part in the manner of his skull. Raised cheekbones indicate a stronger and more robust jawline, great for absorbing more cross jabs. Then there is the circumference of his cranium indicating greater intelligence than the Soutthern European model. The skull is larger no doubt due to generations of Norman forebearers having to brave the cold forests of Germania and beyond relaying on their wits and brute strength over speed and agility required for warning climates. A great display of Darwinism if I dare say so myself.

This is a certified bruh moment.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Could be next week

Could be the week after


But soon

Soon


I feel it in my bones.

He said bones
Guys it’s Sans-

 

[FreeFox]

Oh no! I just missed the best character discussion ever! The Paper Mario discussion. How could it be that I missed the chance to talk about how much I like him?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Oh no! I just missed the best character discussion ever! The Paper Mario discussion. How could it be that I missed the chance to talk about how much I like him?

Well too bad. You're not allowed anymore. We'll have to talk about Mario & Luigi instead.

Mario & Luigi as a new Ice Climber style duo when?

I'm joking of course, but I'd also be into the Mario & Luigi idea.

 

[Shroob]

Pic of the.....day?

pic.twitter.com/gZdm3Ktpzq

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 29, 2021

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Pic of the.....day?

pic.twitter.com/gZdm3Ktpzq

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 29, 2021

This is it. Society has peaked.

The following is meant as a joke:

Ah, yes, the superior Aryan model! You can tell his superiority over his Mediterranean counter part in the manner of his skull. Raised cheekbones indicate a stronger and more robust jawline, great for absorbing more cross jabs. Then there is the circumference of his cranium indicating greater intelligence than the Soutthern European model. The skull is larger no doubt due to generations of Norman forebearers having to brave the cold forests of Germania and beyond relaying on their wits and brute strength over speed and agility required for warning climates. A great display of Darwinism if I dare say so myself.

I dunno why but it smells kinda like Lovecraft all of a sudden.

 

[FreeFox]

Pic of the.....day?

pic.twitter.com/gZdm3Ktpzq

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 29, 2021

Look out! Its Sakurai giving us clues on the next fighter.
Time to check again the cat easter eggs on smash.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I dunno why but it smells kinda like Lovecraft all of a sudden.

Huh. Lovecraft smells like chicken...

 

[Eldrake]

Pic of the.....day?

pic.twitter.com/gZdm3Ktpzq

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) August 29, 2021

Wow! It's genuinely impressive how photo-realistic video games are getting! Just look at these awe-inspiring graphics.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Huh. Lovecraft smells like chicken...

Strange, all things considered I thought it would’ve smelled like fish.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

This is a certified bruh moment.

Yeah, it sounded funnier in my head

 

[FreeFox]

Strange, all things considered I thought it would’ve smelled like fish.

That is how you start the descent into madness. I would be careful, if I were you.