Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Schnee117]

Also just because Namco are working with Nintendo and Sakurai on Smash doesn't necessarily mean they'll get a cut price deal on Kazuya.

All the talk about budgets and costs is pointless when you have no actual insight at all. You can infer that Sephiroth cost a fortune but that's where the buck ends.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

There's no character that's illegal to speculate about, not even Bubsy.




And that's despite heavy lobbying to various governments around the world to ban all discussion of him.

 

[Shroob]

There's no character that's illegal to speculate about, not even Bubsy.




And that's despite heavy lobbying to various governments around the world to ban all discussion of him.

They can't handle it, because he's Paw-sitively a lock.

 

[Guynamednelson]

There's no character that's illegal to speculate about, not even Bubsy.

Oh yeah? What about a rep from The Guy Game?

 

[Shroob]

At the end of the day, until the September Direct airs, the one thing we know about CP11, is that we know ****-all about CP11.


We don't know if they'll be 1st party
We don't know if they'll be 3rd party
We don't know if they'll be small
Or huge


The only thing we know is they exist, and trying to make assumptions, especially in FP2 of all things which has basically told us to go **** ourselves in regards to speculation, patterns, and fan rules, is a fool's errand. Feel free to speculate all you want, but trying to push a narrative that CP11 MUST go a certain way is no bueno.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Oh yeah? What about a rep from The Guy Game?

No, no, he's got a point...



Also, has anyone considered a 2nd party character?

 

[Theguy123]

I see all this talk about wether AT’s deconfirm or not and the simple way to put it would be that I’d imagine the company getting a rep in smash probably gets to decide what rep it is or gets a say on it.

If they currently have an AT in smash then if they’re negotiating for a smash rep then they can opt for the AT to be upgraded if they want. It’s probably how we also got sephiroth specifically from square or how we specifically got min Min because the producer wanted min min.

if Nintendo told sakurai to get a sega character for example then if sega want to upgrade one of their assists trophies to playable then I’m sure they’d ask for the upgrade or they’d Play hard to get until Nintendo and them come to an agreement.

AT’s don’t deconfirm. It’s all in people’s heads.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The only thing we know is they exist, and trying to make assumptions, especially in FP2 of all things which has basically told us to go **** ourselves in regards to speculation, patterns, and fan rules, is a fool's errand. Feel free to speculate all you want, but trying to push a narrative that CP11 MUST go a certain way is no bueno.

Sure it's broken so many rules, but I can still doubt that, even if it is "hype", the hype level would be "Get all the Reddit Gold from putting their model next to Mario's", can't I?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

FP2 has been crazy indeed. I only predicted Steve would be in(though I didn't get the Herobrine alt like I expected. Alex alt was expected by me, though). The rest? Definitely something I wouldn't have predicted.

And that's not a bad thing either.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

The only thing that really makes me doubt a character like Octoling being the last character is that they're somewhat similar to the Inklings who are base characters. Won't Nintendo be like "People will believe they're buying an Inkling skin" or something like that? I know that's stupid because we, as Smash fans can tell the difference between an Inkling and an Octoling but put yourself in the shoes of a casual gamer who has no idea what Splatoon is, what is the Octoling going to do to sell to the casual gamer that they're any different from the Inkling? What if the casual gamer looks at them both and goes "What's different about this character? It looks just like Inkling?" That's a lost sale right there.

I don't know, I just see Octoling being the equivalent of Akuma being the last fighter. Sure they could do something different but would buying a character that looks similar to a character you can find in the base game really justify the price?

But hey, that's just what I think.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The only thing that really makes me doubt a character like Octoling being the last character is that they're somewhat similar to the Inklings who are base characters. Won't Nintendo be like "People will believe they're buying an Inkling skin" or something like that? I know that's stupid because we, as Smash fans can tell the difference between an Inkling and an Octoling but put yourself in the shoes of a casual gamer who has no idea what Splatoon is, what is the Octoling going to do to sell to the casual gamer that they're any different from the Inkling? What if the casual gamer looks at them both and goes "What's different about this character? It looks just like Inkling?" That's a lost sale right there.

I don't know, I just see Octoling being the equivalent of Akuma being the last fighter. Sure they could do something different but would buying a character that looks similar to a character you can find in the base game really justify the price?

But hey, that's just what I think.

In that case, shouldn't they have been concerned about selling Lucas, whose model is literally edited from Ness's?

 

[Bobthealligator]

There's no character that's illegal to speculate about, not even Bubsy.




And that's despite heavy lobbying to various governments around the world to ban all discussion of him.

Really, so I can talk about my weird feeling that Goku is the last character?

 

[Theguy123]

Really, so I can talk about my weird feeling that Goku is the last character?

he’s got a fighting chance but spongebob also has a lot going for him.

 

[Shroob]

In that case, shouldn't they have been concerned about selling Lucas, whose model is literally edited from Ness's?

Smash 4's DLC =/= Smash Ult's. They're entirely different games and should be treated as such, what with them selling 2 Semi-clones.


However, that's not to say Octolings can't happen. Despite their very similar body-shape, I could see them being wholly unique.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

In that case, shouldn't they have been concerned about selling Lucas, whose model is literally edited from Ness's?

How can they sell Lucas like that if he's in the base game with so many other fighters

 

[SharkLord]

The only thing that really makes me doubt a character like Octoling being the last character is that they're somewhat similar to the Inklings who are base characters. Won't Nintendo be like "People will believe they're buying an Inkling skin" or something like that? I know that's stupid because we, as Smash fans can tell the difference between an Inkling and an Octoling but put yourself in the shoes of a casual gamer who has no idea what Splatoon is, what is the Octoling going to do to sell to the casual gamer that they're any different from the Inkling? What if the casual gamer looks at them both and goes "What's different about this character? It looks just like Inkling?" That's a lost sale right there.

I don't know, I just see Octoling being the equivalent of Akuma being the last fighter. Sure they could do something different but would buying a character that looks similar to a character you can find in the base game really justify the price?

But hey, that's just what I think.

To be fair we could say the same thing between Marth or Ike being compared to Byleth. I'll still stand by Byleth's inclusion and that they're fun to play, but if Octoling and Inkling are visually too close but Byleth and Marth aren't that must be a really thin line of "Acceptable/Unacceptable."

 

[Cosmic77]

Compared to the other three DLC first-parties, I don't feel like Nintendo is SUPER worried about Splatoon to the point where they'll think Inkling isn't enough. And that's another thing. Inkling works as a rep for every Splatoon game. Byleth, Min Min, and Pyra promote a specific game that didn't have a character on the roster.

Octoling feels more suited for a base roster.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Really, so I can talk about my weird feeling that Goku is the last character?

Well, given the results we most recently saw of his super form, we certainly know it's not going to be Vegeta...

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Honestly If CP11 is first party I do wanna see if they'll go for a Switch-era fighter or not.

 

[CannonStreak]

Honestly If CP11 is first party I do wanna see if they'll go for a Switch-era fighter or not.

What Switch era characters are there besides ARMS? Any third parties included?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Honestly If CP11 is first party I do wanna see if they'll go for a Switch-era fighter or not.

It honestly would shock me if they did go with someone from the Switch era, what with all its potential reps either already being playable, the subject of spirit events, or in the case of LM3 it got promoted by Smash in a different way.

 

[Idon]

What Switch era characters are there besides ARMS? Any third parties included?

Ring Fit and Astral Chain but y'know...

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Ring Fit and Astral Chain but y'know...
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Best they stand the test of time before making the jump to Smash anyway. Spirits were a good way to give them some promotion without committing to a character.

 

[Theguy123]

I’m also seeing all this talk of what first party reps are left or who’s getting chosen and To be fair in my personal with First Party reps and the whole pass in general characters have clearly been chosen for what gimmicks and creative movesets they can bring to the game and not the same old stuff that we see in the base roster

chances are if a character is really basic and doesn’t have a gimmick or so going for them they’ll get passed over. It’s probably why we got min min and pyra/myphra over other first party reps because I can’t think of many first party reps that can bring uniqueness to the table.

min min flat out brought long arms to the table with weapon swapping and pyra/mythra brought the Pokemon trainer gimmick to the table but expanded on it quite a bit.

couldn’t possibly tell you if the last character is huge or small or in the middle but if they offer some stuff that’s already been done in this pass then the chances are they probably won’t happen. But that’s my option and guess though.

 

[Momotsuki]

Yeah, let's start talking about Bubsy. What could - what could p- [crying in a corner, just - sobbing uncontrollably]

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeah, let's start talking about Bubsy. What could - what could p- [crying in a corner, sobbing uncontrollably]

I thought nothing could possibly go wrong.

 

[subterrestrial]

I’m also seeing all this talk of what first party reps are left or who’s getting chosen and To be fair in my personal with First Party reps and the whole pass in general characters have clearly been chosen for what gimmicks and creative movesets they can bring to the game and not the same old stuff that we see in the base roster

chances are if a character is really basic and doesn’t have a gimmick or so going for them they’ll get passed over. It’s probably why we got min min and pyra/myphra over other first party reps because I can’t think of many first party reps that can bring uniqueness to the table.

min min flat out brought long arms to the table with weapon swapping and pyra/mythra brought the Pokemon trainer gimmick to the table but expanded on it quite a bit.

couldn’t possibly tell you if the last character is huge or small or in the middle but if they offer some stuff that’s already been done in this pass then the chances are they probably won’t happen. But that’s my option and guess though.

so true, the only thing we know about the character selection process is that they must be "unique and fun to play"

rly think this should be taken into consideration when speculating... what new broken dlc gimmick could x offer ?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

In that case, shouldn't they have been concerned about selling Lucas, whose model is literally edited from Ness's?

Well they had Brawl to decide if Lucas was worth buying and that was backwards compatible with the Wii U.

To be fair we could say the same thing between Marth or Ike being compared to Byleth. I'll still stand by Byleth's inclusion and that they're fun to play, but if Octoling and Inkling are visually too close but Byleth and Marth aren't that must be a really thin line of "Acceptable/Unacceptable."

I don't know. I feel that the differences between Byleth and Marth compared to Inkling and Octoling are night and day. For one Byleth can be both Male and Female while Marth is only Male which is something that is advertised in the fighters pass.

 

[subterrestrial]

inb4 the gardevoir/gothitelle leak turns out to be real 3 years later

 

[Copnaut]

What Switch era characters are there besides ARMS? Any third parties included?

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[GilTheGreat19]

Yeah, let's start talking about Bubsy. What could - what could p- [crying in a corner, just - sobbing uncontrollably]

It's ok
he's in a better place now

 

[Guynamednelson]

No one expects the Spanish Buddy Mission Bond inquisition!

Our chief weapon is...not being released outside of Japan!

 

[CannonStreak]

It's ok
he's in a better place now

Yeah, contrary to that image, he is in video game hell.

 

[SNEKeater]

Also just because Namco are working with Nintendo and Sakurai on Smash doesn't necessarily mean they'll get a cut price deal on Kazuya.

All the talk about budgets and costs is pointless when you have no actual insight at all. You can infer that Sephiroth cost a fortune but that's where the buck ends.

This. Even if Namco is working on Smash that doesn't mean they'll be cheaper. Negotiations for characters and whatever the deal they have for Smash are different things. And Tekken is a decently big IP after all.

Also, maybe I'm just imagining things but I swear I remember someone (as in, an important guy), maybe Maximillian Dood, speculating that Sephiroth might have been cheaper than he would be in normal circumstances. So who knows. If that was true, he wouldn't have took as much budget as we imagine.

I'm personally not expecting a big third party for CP11 but if we get another third party character I'm convinced it could be someone decently popular and not necessarily super niche stuff.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I mean hypothetically, beyond the ink mechanic and a basic projectile shot, you could entirely change up the moveset of an Octoling in comparison to an Inkling. Given the sheer amount of weapons between the Splatoon duology there certainly has to be some combination of attacks they could pull from and make them fairly different.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Yeah, contrary to that image, he is in video game hell.

In all seriousness, I did some curious google searching after this comment, and it seems he's SOMEWHAT relevant. Dude has a 2019 game.

Also, the biggest Switch-era rep we could get is a Gen 8 pokemon
some of them could be unique as hell, imagine an in-place soccer ball that Cinderace could kick around

 

[CannonStreak]

In all seriousness, I did some curious google searching after this comment, and it seems he's SOMEWHAT relevant. Dude has a 2019 game.

Also, the biggest Switch-era rep we could get is a Gen 8 pokemon
some of them could be unique as hell, imagine an in-place soccer ball that Cinderace could kick around

Yeah, true. That is scary though. Wanna know what's scarier? Bubsy being in a future Smash game.

 

[subterrestrial]

I mean hypothetically, beyond the ink mechanic and a basic projectile shot, you could entirely change up the moveset of an Octoling in comparison to an Inkling. I mean given the sheer amount of weapons between the Splatoon duology there certainly has to be something amount they could pull from and make them fairly different.

they can even give them splatoon3 weapons if they rly wanna promote it, never understood the gotta be an echo rhetoric

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah, true. That is scary though. Wanna know what's scarier? Bubsy being in a future Smash game.

With how the pass's Switch reps have been from 2017, Bubsy getting revived in 2019 might actually be a point against him being in FP2.

As for the future of Smash, the point against him being in is that he's ****ing Bubsy.

 

[Perkilator]

Yeah, let's start talking about Bubsy. What could - what could p- [crying in a corner, just - sobbing uncontrollably]

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