Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

still it's not enough of a noticeable difference, most people wouldn't notice.

They might notice when looking at the portraits, but they likely wouldn't be able to keep track of the differences in battle.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Imo there’s no point in a modern Kirby being added when he’s the exact same character and is still nearly identical to his past designs besides a few proportions and his classic face.

I mean, they could add a second Kirby using moves from his original game as copy powers instead of a unique one for each fighter, but as DLC? It feels more like something that’d be in a Smash reboot or if they added alternate moveset options, kinda like what Smash Bros. Crusade does with Link and I think a few others like Little Mac.

I may want an 8-Bit Mario but at least he’d actually be different for the most part. Actually, I guess this new idea on an 8-Bit Kirby would be cool, wouldn’t fit the non-Sakurai part of the idea though, which doesn’t make sense to me anyway tbh since he’s still originally Sakurai’s creation and a lot of the copy moves would be ones originally made by Sakurai.

True, but I do feel like a Copy Ability Kirby the way I described my idea for the Gimmick fits Smash's DLC PERFECTLY! Maybe it could be given to a "Kirby and Animal Buddies" Moveset. Either way I really like my Concept so I though I should share it since we were talking about Kirby.

They might notice when looking at the portraits, but they likely wouldn't be able to keep track of the differences in battle.

I do think there should be some cel-shading applied to Modern Kirby as well, as a neat Reference to Battle Royale. It wouldn't be that hard to implement considering how Final Smashes and Teams already use it, so I think an Outline on Modern Kirby would help differentiate a little bit more. In teams Modern Kirby gets a Thicker Outline than everyone else.

 

[Otoad64]

They might notice when looking at the portraits, but they likely wouldn't be able to keep track of the differences in battle.

even then at first glance they would look the same say for obviously the different render

True, but I do feel like a Copy Ability Kirby the way I described my idea for the Gimmick fits Smash's DLC PERFECTLY! Maybe it could be given to a "Kirby and Animal Buddies" Moveset. Either way I really like my Concept so I though I should share it since we were talking about Kirby.

while it does fit the gimmicky style most dlc characters have I just don't think we're getting another version of someone already on the roster. only ones I could really see are tetra or ganon. one idea i've seen thrown around for bwd is switching the elements for his spear like in star allies and that's kinda like that I guess, but that is the most likely way I see that gimmick fully realized at least for ultimate

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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The Monster Hunter Rise demo is out tomorrow.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

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The Monster Hunter Rise demo is out right now.

It literally says it's tomorrow bruh

 

[Michael the Spikester]

New prediction regarding the last 3.

CP9: Chun-Li
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa
CP11: Cinderace

 

[RileyXY1]

New prediction regarding the last 3.

CP9: Chun-Li
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa
CP11: Cinderace

I find a new Pokemon character extremely unlikely because of that Spirit Event and other factors.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I can also alternatively see Yuri Lowell as CP10.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well on the subject of a Kirby that uses cannon Copy Abilities, here's what I think each character would give:

Spoiler

1. Animal
   
2. Artist
   
3. Bomb
   
4. Cleaning
   
5. Cook
   
6. Cupid
   
7. Doctor
8. ESP
   
9. Fighter
   
10. Fire
    
11. Hammer
    
12. Ice
    
13. Jet
    
14. Leaf
    
15. Magic
    
16. Needle
    
17. Ninja
    
18. Parasol
    
19. Plasma
20. Sleep
    
21. Smash Bros. (abilityless)
22. Stone
    
23. Sword
    
24. Water
    
25. Whip
26. Wing
    
27. Wrestler

Not all of them make sense, but I think most of them do. Also, I tried not to go "lol sword = sword", but it's still the most populated group.

 

[RileyXY1]

I also don't think that they would go for any Pokemon from an earlier gen, for obvious reasons.

 

[Otoad64]

honestly i'm not really sure about who i'm predicting,
I guess this is my current prediction in no particular order

crash bandicoot
first party (probably rex & pyra tbh)
third party

as for who the other 3rd party is I think it could be dante, doomguy, hayabusa, monster hunter, master chief or even sora, but I would honestly not be suprised if it's none of those

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Smash zigs so much in its choices that the boldest I'll go for predictions is:

-Capcom Fighter
-Japanese Developer Fighter (Konami, Sega, Namco, Koei Tecmo, Namco)
-Western Developer Fighter (Ubisoft, Activision, Bethesda, )

 

[CapitaineCrash]

New prediction regarding the last 3.

CP9: Chun-Li
CP10: Ryu Hayabusa
CP11: Cinderace

If we do have have a gen 8 Pokémon, I don't think it would be the last one. The last character will release in november or december, so at that point gen 8 will not be relevant and the next Pokémon game (probably gen 4 remake) will be released by now. If there's a Pokémon rep in the season pass, I think the last chance for it is to be the next character, because that would probably be in March near Pokémon day and before the reveal of gen 4 remake or the next game.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If we do have have a gen 8 Pokémon, I don't think it would be the last one. The last character will release in november or december, so at that point gen 8 will not be relevant and the next Pokémon game (probably gen 4 remake) will be released by now. If there's a Pokémon rep in the season pass, I think the last chance for it is to be the next character, because that would probably be in March near Pokémon day and before the reveal of gen 4 remake or the next game.

Fair point now that you mention it. Reason I just assumed this is because Smash tends to end with a character that's anti-climatic for the most part.

Also, the fact I imagine E3 would reveal a hyped character. I imagine Ryu Hayabusa would generate hype being an NES classic icon he is and Yuri being the most popular of the Tales protagonists and Tales being a big series in Japan.

 

[Koopaul]

So I never quite knew why Chun-Li started to become so popular in discussion. Was there a leak or something?

 

[Otoad64]

So I never quite knew why Chun-Li started to become so popular in discussion. Was there a leak or something?

same reason there was a boom in eggman disscussion. sephiroth confimed secondary non-echo third parties are possible

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There's also the whole "Where Ryu goes, Chun-Li follows in crossovers" and I recall there were some leaks regarding Chun-Li notably having been considered for Base but was replaced by Ken due to being easier to model of Ryu as the original Echo fighter.

The idea to there being speculation Pass 2 for the most part being characters who didn't make it into Base game.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

So I never quite knew why Chun-Li started to become so popular in discussion. Was there a leak or something?

same reason there was a boom in eggman disscussion. sephiroth confimed secondary non-echo third parties are possible

You're both correct. There was a leak and it's because of Sephiroth confirming secondary non-echo third parties are possible.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Fair point now that you mention it. Reason I just assumed this is because Smash tends to end with a character that's anti-climatic for the most part.

Also, the fact I imagine E3 would reveal a hyped character. I imagine Ryu Hayabusa would generate hype being an NES classic icon he is and Yuri being the most popular of the Tales protagonists and Tales being a big series in Japan.

That's fair, but I don't think they need to end on a anti-climatic note just because they did it in the past. Beside, I wouldn't call Bayonetta anti-climatic to end the Smash 4 dlc cycle.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That's fair, but I don't think they need to end on a anti-climatic note just because they did it in the past. Beside, I wouldn't call Bayonetta anti-climatic to end the Smash 4 dlc cycle.

Maybe but there seemed to have been backlash about her given folks thought the ballot was rigged.

 

[SharkLord]

So I never quite knew why Chun-Li started to become so popular in discussion. Was there a leak or something?

There's two things. The first is that Sephiroth opened the door to non-protagonists and characters from already-represented series, and we did the standard "Predict characters just like the new guy" thing. She probably would've fizzled out or at least become more underground, but then A Ayumi Tachibana dug up this old 5chan leak, which I summarized a while ago.

We're really calling it the Chun-Leak now, aren't we? I feel like that name's kinda misleading, but okay then.
Anyways here's a link to the thing, which will probably get buried pretty soon anyways.
https://smashboards.com/threads/newcomer-dlc-speculation-discussion.453424/page-4813#post-24211016

Since there seems to be some confusion on what it's about, here's the takeaways:

• The post was made about ten days after SSBU released.
• Erdrick and Steve were being worked on for the base game, but were scrapped.
  • Hero was already rumored to have been pushed back, and we know Steve was in the works for a long time.
  • Steve apparently had his model working already, which would've sounded pretty unrealistic if he wasn't just six static rectangles.
• Chun-Li was allegedly replaced with Ken. This would put her in line with the likes of Alucard and Decidueye, who were considered but dropped for the Belmonts and Incineroar, respectively.
• Both Lloyd AND Yuri were being considered in the planning stages, but were dropped. This would make them more like Steve and Hero. No reason was given, but I have some theories:
  • Nintendo though Bamco was getting a large-enough cut of the base game's sales, an thought it best if a Tales character was confined to a DLC pack.
  • They were holding off to see how well Tales of Berseria and/or Vesperia DE did. Keep in mind the roster was finalized in 2015, so they wouldn't have known at the time.
  • Bamco got Nintendo to hold off for the 25th anniversary. Usually this would mean jacksquat, but seeing as Bamco is also working on the game, they might have more pull over the matter.
• Sora was a candidate, but he was dropped on the basis that he wouldn't feel right without Disney content (Which is a bit of a hot topic on this thread, so grab a fire extinguisher, just in case).
• Sephiroth was considered, but conceded to Hero. Seeing as he didn't have a reason for being dropped beyond DQ, which is an entirely separate franchise, it's not surprising that Nintendo went back and gave him a second chance.
• Geno was stated to have a sensitive position. Squeenix thought he was associated with Smash more than anything, as almost all his requests are for Smash and not a new game. Allegedly, they were "unsure of the fan's real intentions."

And that's the gist of it. Anyways I'm going to put this in my signature so I don't have to keep repeating myself.

Supposedly it involved characters who had negotiations going on in the planning stages but didn't turn up, like Erdrick (Who was rumored to have been tha case) and Steve (Who was confirmed to be the case). Notably, this was only ten days after Ultimate released, which got kit a lot of attention for correctly guessing all this. Among these dropped deals were Chun-Li, who was allegedly replaced by Ken, and Lloyd and Yuri, who were both in the planning stages but vanished. It never really explained why there were two Tales characters or why they didn't turn up, so there's been some theories on that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Maybe but there seemed to have been backlash about her given folks thought the ballot was rigged.

That's just Smash fans being Smash fans. It's not necessarily about the quality of Bayonetta as a pick.

 

[DarthEnderX]

The solution is add more boss fights as a whole so multiple franchises have multiple bosses. Boom

Hmm...well, while I approve of that more boss policy...

Spoiler: My Boss Wishlist

Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross(N64 version) [Star Fox]
Arceus [Pokemon]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]

...we should keep in mind that the amount of development resources required to make a boss is probably comparable to that of a fully playable character(minus the balancing portion). So adding TOO many bosses is going to get in the way of adding new characters.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

My bet is either KOS-MOS, Crash and Reimu as per the 5ch rumor that said “no mii costumes from 4 will be promoted to playable in ult’s DLC”

if not that, then Elma (teases of a possible Xenoblade X port soon and Hiroyuki Sawano’s project/Caitlin Glass’s NDA are still unknown), Ahri (the League of Legends rumor) and a wildcard (Shantae maybe?)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

My bet is either KOS-MOS, Crash and Reimu as per the 5ch rumor that said “no mii costumes from 4 will be promoted to playable in ult’s DLC”

if not that, then Elma (teases of a possible Xenoblade X port soon and Hiroyuki Sawano’s project/Caitlin Glass’s NDA are still unknown), Ahri (the League of Legends rumor) and a wildcard (Shantae maybe?)

Either of those would those I'd be happy with. First one having Crash, the second having Elma.

 

[Otoad64]

Hmm...well, while I approve of that more boss policy...

Spoiler: My Boss Wishlist

Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross(N64 version) [Star Fox]
Arceus [Pokemon]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]

...we should keep in mind that the amount of development resources required to make a boss is probably comparable to that of a fully playable character(minus the balancing portion). So adding TOO many bosses is going to get in the way of adding new characters.

yeah but after fp2 assuming there isn't a fp3 a couple of new bosses would be good for additional content

slightly off topic but I think it would be cool if dedede had been given the same treatment as bowser and ganondorf with macho dedede as a boss and his final smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My bet is either KOS-MOS, Crash and Reimu

Wow that is just...hmm...that would be an absolute nightmare way to finish off the Pass...

yeah but after fp2 assuming there isn't a fp3 a couple of new bosses would be good for additional content

Oh, I'd love that. We were just talking though about series getting a 2nd boss though. And I'm just like, "Not while so many still need a first."

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wow that is just...hmm...that would be an absolute nightmare way to finish off the Pass...

Why exactly? Just curious is all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why exactly? Just curious is all.

Nothing quantifiable. Just 3 of my absolute least wanted is all.

 

[Lyncario]

Nevermind, got 'ed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why exactly? Just curious is all.

Because he hates most or all of them.

EDIT: If one man's trash is another man's treasure, a lot of our treasure is his trash. Conversely a lot of his treasure are just mundane house objects for us. Dat jus how it be sometimes.

 

[Megadoomer]

I'm not going to bother with trying to predict Smash Ultimate's DLC any more. This was the latest prediction that I made:

Since that prediction was made back in mid-October, two of the four characters that I thought were extremely likely (between Mario's 35th anniversary in 2020, Zelda's 35th anniversary in 2021, Geno's 20+ years of consistent popularity, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest being in Smash (meaning that there wasn't a front-runner for Square-Enix), Zelda not getting a new/unique character in Smash for 20 years, and the popularity boost that Impa got thanks to Age of Calamity) were seemingly ruled out.

I realize that Mii costumes, especially ones that don't act/look like the character that they're based on, or post-launch spirits don't necessarily confirm that a character won't be playable, but so far, they've both been treated as consolation prizes.

I'd like to think that Dante and Ryu Hayabusa are still likely, but for all I know, we'll suddenly get a Ninja Gaiden spirit event randomly revealed on some Tuesday in February, and then when March rolls around, we'll get Monster Hunter as a DLC character with a Dante Mii swordfighter costume that serves as a poor substitute for the actual character and gets people calling him "a generic anime swordsman" even though that couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Because he hates most or all of them.

EDIT: If one man's trash is another man's treasure, a lot of our treasure is his trash. Conversely a lot of his treasure are just mundane house objects for us. Dat jus how it be sometimes.

Claps THANK YOU!

like can we not insult people’s preferences??

I don’t care for Hayabusa in the slightest but you don’t see me putting people down for it!

 

[SharkLord]

I'm not going to bother with trying to predict Smash Ultimate's DLC any more. This was the last prediction that I made:

Since that prediction was made back in mid-October, two of the four characters that I thought were extremely likely were seemingly ruled out. (I realize that Mii costumes, especially ones that don't act/look like the character that they're based on, or post-launch spirits don't necessarily confirm that a character won't be playable, but so far, they've both been treated as consolation prizes)

I'd like to think that Dante and Ryu Hayabusa are still likely, but for all I know, we'll randomly get a Ninja Gaiden spirit event randomly revealed on some Tuesday in February, and then when March rolls around, we'll get Monster Hunter as a DLC character with a Dante Mii swordfighter costume that serves as a poor substitute for the actual character and gets people calling him "a generic anime swordsman" even though that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Sorta unrelated but I can't help but laugh whenever I see a character unfairly dismissed as a generic anime swordsman because one of my most-wanted characters is pretty much just a generic anime swordsman

I don't get a say in this matter

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

This sounds like a fun game. If you could add 3 bosses to Ultimate, who would they be?
My 3.
1. Giygas
2. Mother Brain
3. GladOS.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

This sounds like a fun game. If you could add 3 bosses to Ultimate, who would they be?
My 3.
1. Giygas
2. Mother Brain
3. GladOS.

1. Telethia the Endbringer
2. Black Shadow (only IF he doesn’t become playable) if not then Geese Howard
3. Eggman

 

[Koopaul]

same reason there was a boom in eggman disscussion. sephiroth confimed secondary non-echo third parties are possible

Ah this again haha! People talk about how certain characters "open up the door" for others. Yet they forget there's only 3 fighters left. There's not many characters that are going to be walking through that door.

Out of hundreds of possibilities there are only three. You have to put those odds into account. So what are the odds of getting Chun-Li? I don't think they're any better than any other character.

 

[Megadoomer]

This sounds like a fun game. If you could add 3 bosses to Ultimate, who would they be?
My 3.
1. Giygas
2. Mother Brain
3. GladOS.

1. Death Egg Robot (if Eggman can't be playable, he should at least have a boss fight)
2. Jubileus the Creator (the ending of Bayonetta's classic mode is fairly anti-climactic, which is ironic given how absurd the endings of her games get)
3. Mother Brain (the version from the ending of Super Metroid)

Geese Howard or Rugal Bernstein almost made the list, but I feel like including either of those two would make classic mode runs and World of Light playthroughs much more frustrating.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Ah this again haha! People talk about how certain characters "open up the door" for others. Yet they forget there's only 3 fighters left. There's not many characters that are going to be walking through that door.

Out of hundreds of possibilities there are only three. You have to put those odds into account. So what are the odds of getting Chun-Li? I don't think they're any better than any other character.

Does that mean that one should ignore the door completely though?

 

[SharkLord]

Ah this again haha! People talk about how certain characters "open up the door" for others. Yet they forget there's only 3 fighters left. There's not many characters that are going to be walking through that door.

Out of hundreds of possibilities there are only three. You have to put those odds into account. So what are the odds of getting Chun-Li? I don't think they're any better than any other character.

Yeah, there was some people realizing "Y'know, we always go for characters just like the most recent one..." After Min Min there was recent Nintendo characters like Rex, after Steve there were huge recent third-parties like Jonesy, etc. There was also prediction based on the most recent two fighters; After Min Min and Steve we thought it would be all recent characters, and with Steve and Sephiroth I saw some predictions that this pass would be high-budget and focus on the huge heavy-hitters.

Honestly, one of the most solid precedents in Smash is that each new DLC character breaks a precedent, and then the next character breaks a different one. I think Sephiroth has the "already-represented third-party" niche covered.