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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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My fifth choice for a Kirby rep would be Dark Matter, considering it might be the most recurring villain that actually recurs as a villain. It had, like, an entire trilogy of games, and it's also related to a good chunk of the other villains.

I wouldn't want the sword-guy, though.
 

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It would feel really odd that you have intimidating bosses Dracula, Ganon, and Rathalos, and then you have Whispy Woods doing his usual pog face on Dreamland (I also would like to mention that he is also appear in 2 Kirby stage)
 
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Eh. Not every boss has to be spoopy.

Give me Whispy Woods, give me Dr. Wily, give me Eggman, give me a more source accurate big Bowser.
 

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if they wanted a cool-looking enemy that has more common occurrences as an opponent than Marx, they could have had Galacta Knight as a boss.

And Galacta's theme also would have been added to Smash along with him.

SMH probably one of the biggest glaring omissions (atleast in terms of nonplayable content) on the Kirby side of things.
 
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if they wanted a cool-looking enemy that has more common occurrences as an opponent than Marx, they could have had Galacta Knight as a boss.

And Galacta's theme also would have been added to Smash along with him.

SMH probably one of the biggest glaring omissions (atleast in terms of nonplayable content) on the Kirby side of things.
Probably thought his alt skin reference was good enough and called it a day.
 

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My personal pet peeve about Meta Knight alt is that why didn't he get an alt based on Morpho Knight? I mean we got Galacta Knight and Dark Meta Knight and now Morpho Knight, c'mon Sakurai I know you are better than that!

Good luck hoping for much out of non-Sakurai Kirby characters.
You know that he is a proud boomer when basically almost every modern representation of series like Street Fighter and Megaman aren't prominently present, I don't know what happened to Wario and Sonic tho, it's surprising that he enjoyed 3D Sonic game and only WarioWare stuff is properly represented.
 
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Boomer Sakurai is about to put in Ryu Hayabusa but it's retro Hayabusa so he has like 2 moves and is a lame zoner.
 

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You know that he is a proud boomer when basically almost every modern representation of series like Street Fighter and Megaman aren't prominently present, I don't know what happened to Wario and Sonic tho, it's surprising that he enjoyed 3D Sonic game and only WarioWare stuff is properly represented.


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A boomer should still be willing to give Street Fighter Alpha/III some songs. As for Wario, how he's represented in Smash make me even more curious about a timeline in which Sakurai decided to put him in Melee. Can't be focused on Ware in 2001.
 

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Boomer Sakurai is about to put in Ryu Hayabusa but it's retro Hayabusa so he has like 2 moves and is a lame zoner.
I'm actually interested if he had that, I mean he could easily make up moves for Retro Hayabusa, I mean you don't see Ice Climbers have ice power in their original game.
 
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I'm actually interested if he had that, I mean he could easily make up moves for Retro Hayabusa, I mean you don't see Ice Climbers have ice power in their original game.
Making up moves for a character which has an entire moveset across 3 games is just incredibly lame. Man has too many stylish moves to just have generic kicks and slashes.

Icies is a case of necessity.
If Hayabusa did it, it'd be a case of purposeful exclusion.
 
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Making up moves for a character which has an entire moveset across 3 games is just incredibly lame. Man has too many stylish moves to just have generic kicks and slashes.

Icies is a case of necessity.
If Hayabusa did it, it'd be a case of purposeful exclusion.
Even Mr. SFII Boomer didn't ignore later games to complete Ryu and Ken's movesets. Why would it be different for the other Ryu?
 

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Making up moves for a character which has an entire moveset across 3 games is just incredibly lame. Man has too many stylish moves to just have generic kicks and slashes.
Can't argue with that, I mean he can squeeze in the chain scythe thingy and ninpo so there wouldn't be any problem.
 

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You know that he is a proud boomer when basically almost every modern representation of series like Street Fighter and Megaman aren't prominently present, I don't know what happened to Wario and Sonic tho, it's surprising that he enjoyed 3D Sonic game and only WarioWare stuff is properly represented.


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I guess. He more just takes from the titles that made the biggest impacts, really. With Mega Man, it's the older ones. With SF, obviously 2 reigns in a league of its own. But on the other hand, how much content did we get from Persona 1 and 2?

I can't account for the lack of Wario Land though. That absence is egregious. I mean he didn't even have his shoulder bash last game. Truly wtf.
 

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how much content did we get from Persona 1 and 2?
I mean not even the Atlus remember that Persona 1 & 2 exist other than Velvet Room and Igor, now that you think about it there's not really a specific Persona game that have a large impact until recently with Persona 5 with an F ton of crossover with other game and basically up there as the most crossed over SEGA Character. Persona 4 has decent review, has a fighting game and basically kickstart Dancing and Q series but that isn't really that big
 

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Realtalk: They picked the wrong Kirby character to make a Boss. Marx was the boss of, like, 1 game.

It shoulda been Whispy Woods. And before you say he's too simply, I assure you, a Whispy Woods fight can go places!
I get the reasoning but Marx has a strong legacy within Kirby as seen with how almost every final boss since 2005 or so keeps re-using Marx's moveset. Teleports and lasers generic enough to be a coincidence nor did Marx invent that in the series but every ****ing final boss Kirby fights these days uses those cutters. If you ask me, the solution is simply add more boss fights
 

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I get the reasoning but Marx has a strong legacy within Kirby as seen with how almost every final boss since 2005 or so keeps re-using Marx's moveset. Teleports and lasers generic enough to be a coincidence nor did Marx invent that in the series but every ****ing final boss Kirby fights these days uses those cutters. If you ask me, the solution is simply add more boss fights
Yeah...but when so many different franchises with iconic bosses don't have a boss fight at all yet, any franchise getting a 2nd one anytime soon doesn't appeal to me.
 

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Yeah...but when so many different franchises with iconic bosses don't have a boss fight at all yet, any franchise getting a 2nd one anytime soon doesn't appeal to me.
The solution is add more boss fights as a whole so multiple franchises have multiple bosses. Boom
 

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If they wanted more single player content I think they had plenty of options for leveraging existing content.
  • BOSSES: Slap a health bar on them, vary their attack speeds, rework their stages into arenas
    • Yellow Devil
    • Metal Face
    • Dark Emperor
  • PLATFORMER STAGES: Adapted from auto-scrollers and overly large levels. Program just a few enemies in like Goombas and Koopas as needed, use Assist Trophies and modified items as much as possible for the rest.
    • Mario Stages (Hammer Bros, Chain Chomps, Thwomps) (Bob-Ombs, Hot-Heads, Bullet Bills, Freezie, Super/Poison Mushroom, Super Star)
      • Rainbow Ride (collect 100 coins during the trip)
      • Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1 (get to the flag pole)
      • Super Mario 3D Land (get to the end)
      • etc
I mean, if you're gonna make a full ****ing stage based on Wrecking Crew or Duck Hunt or Mario Bros, you might as well make them into minigames! Use the FE Coliseum/Arena Ferox for actual arena matches where you bet gold and get paired up against a random fighter with a random effect! Spirits really don't come close to what old event matches were like nor do they have the same appeal. Playing a recreation of an old game as any character I want has a lot of appeal. Fighting boringly made enemies... doesn't.
 
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Good luck hoping for much out of non-Sakurai Kirby characters.
I think we could get a Non-Sakurai Kirby Character this Pass, but it definitely won't be Bandanna Dee. As much as Dee would be great, I think the more likely option is a Modern Kirby. A Kirby who, instead of copying the opponent's Neutral Special, will instead get one of 10 Preset Abilities depending on the Fighter. I'd imagine they would probably be Sword, Beam, Hammer, Parasol, Fire, Ice, Spark, Fighter, Spear, and Cutter. Essentially, the Special Button will be Inhale, until you inhale someone. When you inhale someone, your Specials just become that Kirby Moveset, but slightly more balanced lol. When you get an Ability, you get a Health Bar that you get. Once it's depleted, you lose the Ability. Imagine it looks like the Health Bar from Star Allies. I think this would be a Great Neutral Special, but you'd probably have to unlock them first by doing the Original 8's Classic Mode First lol. Just so he doesn't make Beginners Angry, you know?
 

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I think we could get a Non-Sakurai Kirby Character this Pass, but it definitely won't be Bandanna Dee. As much as Dee would be great, I think the more likely option is a Modern Kirby. A Kirby who, instead of copying the opponent's Neutral Special, will instead get one of 10 Preset Abilities depending on the Fighter. I'd imagine they would probably be Sword, Beam, Hammer, Parasol, Fire, Ice, Spark, Fighter, Spear, and Cutter. Essentially, the Special Button will be Inhale, until you inhale someone. When you inhale someone, your Specials just become that Kirby Moveset, but slightly more balanced lol. When you get an Ability, you get a Health Bar that you get. Once it's depleted, you lose the Ability. Imagine it looks like the Health Bar from Star Allies. I think this would be a Great Neutral Special, but you'd probably have to unlock them first by doing the Original 8's Classic Mode First lol. Just so he doesn't make Beginners Angry, you know?
honestly that's probably the least likely and most uneccesary option for a non-sakurai kirby rep
 

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The concept of Modern Kirby is amusing to me because the character's art style has changed so little that even the obvious contrast between Classic and Modern Sonic wouldn't be present.

As a Kirby fan a Rick/Kine/Coo combination character would be ideal if we couldn't get BWD. Each have enough moves from their power combinations in Dream Land 2 to work and their stuff from Star Allies could finish it off if need be.
 
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honestly that's probably the least likely and most uneccesary option for a non-sakurai kirby rep
Then again, thinking about how crazy some of the DLC has gotten (Command Menu, Look ma, no Specials!, and Steve in his entirety), I think it's the type of unpredictability that could happen looking at the DLC so far.
 

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personally after bwd the kirby rep I want the most is Dark Matter. I personally think he is the best option for a villain and while bwd would represent modern kirby dark matter could rep the dark matter trilogy


Then again, thinking about how crazy some of the DLC has gotten (Command Menu, Look ma, no Specials!, and Steve in his entirety), I think it's the type of unpredictability that could happen looking at the DLC so far.
yeah but a second version of a prexisting character that isn't super noticably different just doesn't seem in the cards
 
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I think we could get a Non-Sakurai Kirby Character this Pass, but it definitely won't be Bandanna Dee. As much as Dee would be great, I think the more likely option is a Modern Kirby. A Kirby who, instead of copying the opponent's Neutral Special, will instead get one of 10 Preset Abilities depending on the Fighter. I'd imagine they would probably be Sword, Beam, Hammer, Parasol, Fire, Ice, Spark, Fighter, Spear, and Cutter. Essentially, the Special Button will be Inhale, until you inhale someone. When you inhale someone, your Specials just become that Kirby Moveset, but slightly more balanced lol. When you get an Ability, you get a Health Bar that you get. Once it's depleted, you lose the Ability. Imagine it looks like the Health Bar from Star Allies. I think this would be a Great Neutral Special, but you'd probably have to unlock them first by doing the Original 8's Classic Mode First lol. Just so he doesn't make Beginners Angry, you know?
So instead of Bandana Waddle Dee or...literally anyone else, you think our next Kirby character is going to be Kirby?

Also Modern Kirby is the Smash Kirby. If anything, it would have to be Classic Kirby.
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I might allow it if they call him Kirb.
 

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So instead of Bandana Waddle Dee or...literally anyone else, you think our next Kirby character is going to be Kirby?

Also Modern Kirby is the Smash Kirby. If anything, it would have to be Classic Kirby.
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I might allow it if they call him Kirb.
even if that doesn't happen I hope he becomes a skin next game
 

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So instead of Bandana Waddle Dee or...literally anyone else, you think our next Kirby character is going to be Kirby?

Also Modern Kirby is the Smash Kirby. If anything, it would have to be Classic Kirby.
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I might allow it if they call him Kirb.
True, but even then Smash Kirby uses his Super Star Proportions, while I'd imagine Modern Kirby would use his Return to Dreamland Proportions.
 

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even if that doesn't happen I hope he becomes a skin next game
They probably wouldn't since if Kirby or Kirb are facing away from the camera for any reason you won't be able to tell who's who. There are ways around that but the chance of them implementing one of them are low. Would be really neat though.

True, but even then Smash Kirby uses his Super Star Proportions, while I'd imagine Modern Kirby would use his Return to Dreamland Proportions.
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His arm nubs are a bit rounder? I don't see much of a difference.

Personally, I think Copy Ability Kirby would be neat, but it would make more sense on a reworked Kirby rather than a completely new one that coexists with the old one, especially if the mechanic is all that changes.

EDIT: A lot of balancing work would be done, but it would feel like you're selling us a character we already have.
 
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his proportions seem the same to me, or at least similar enough that there isn't much of a noticeable difference
Current Kirby is smaller overall, with longer arms, and smaller feet. Super Star Kirby is bigger overall, with smaller arms, and bigger feet. Main thing he inherited from Modern Kirby was his Voice, His Final Smash, and his Blushing being a Circle lol.
 

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Imo there’s no point in a modern Kirby being added when he’s the exact same character and is still nearly identical to his past designs besides a few proportions and his classic face.

I mean, they could add a second Kirby using moves from his original game as copy powers instead of a unique one for each fighter, but as DLC? It feels more like something that’d be in a Smash reboot or if they added alternate moveset options, kinda like what Smash Bros. Crusade does with Link and I think a few others like Little Mac.

I may want an 8-Bit Mario but at least he’d actually be different for the most part. Actually, I guess this new idea on an 8-Bit Kirby would be cool, wouldn’t fit the non-Sakurai part of the idea though, which doesn’t make sense to me anyway tbh since he’s still originally Sakurai’s creation and a lot of the copy moves would be ones originally made by Sakurai.
 

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They probably wouldn't since if Kirby or Kirb are facing away from the camera for any reason you won't be able to tell who's who. There are ways around that but the chance of them implementing one of them are low. Would be really neat though.
one idea I had is that classic kirb is gray like the dl1 boxart

Current Kirby is smaller overall, with longer arms, and smaller feet. Super Star Kirby is bigger overall, with smaller arms, and bigger feet. Main thing he inherited from Modern Kirby was his Voice, His Final Smash, and his Blushing being a Circle lol.
still it's not enough of a noticeable difference, most people wouldn't notice.
 
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