Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Rie Sonomura]

While it could happen, would any of y'all find it "funny" that if any third party with currently 3 playable characters gets a 4th?

Third party companies with currently 3 characters are SEGA, Konami, Capcom, and Square Enix.
Would y'all think it'd make them stick out too much or no? Just curious.

I WANT Neku (Square Enix) since he was one of my ballot votes

if we got a fourth of any of those though it’d probably be Phoenix (Capcom) or Arle (Sega). Maybe Raiden (Konami) if they can work around the music copyright issues

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

While it could happen, would any of y'all find it "funny" that if any third party with currently 3 playable characters gets a 4th?

Third party companies with currently 3 characters are SEGA, Konami, Capcom, and Square Enix.
Would y'all think it'd make them stick out too much or no? Just curious.

Being fair, only Sega and Square has three unique reps, so Capcom or Konami getting an extra one wouldn't be too sus.

And SEGA has an absolute treasure trove of franchises. Heck, they're the only one to have three characters from three separate franchises that are three separate genres (platformer, hack and slash and JRPG). A fourth SEGA rep would blend well with the crowd, even if it's a second Sonic rep.

So basically, what I'm saying is that only a fourth Square Enix rep would stick out too much to me since 90% of their stuff is RPGs. But it's also not a bad thing.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Can you stop shooting down Sora with baseless speculation...
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FOR 5 MINUTES?!

Mods better be ready because the next time someone gives this speculation and tries to pass it off as truth I'm going to straight up tell them "Shut the **** up"

 

[GilTheGreat19]

And SEGA has an absolute treasure trove of franchises. Heck, they're the only one to have three characters from three separate franchises.

True

So uh there's this fellow

Spoiler: Ladies and Gents, your 4th SEGA rep

Ryu Hayabusa: I sleep
Joe Musashi: REAL S***

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

exactly

so maybe they can, you know, add a character they own just to acquire nostalgiabucks from nintendo fans or whatever.

Okay, I'll just ask.

Which dead franchise do you want in Smash?

 

[Theguy123]

What strong evidence? This is the first time I heard anything about Sega concerning pass 2.

Basically no third party company has been allowed a cgi model in any of the cgi trailers. The only exception has been sephiroth where we got

Sonic, bayonetta, richter, cloud, banjo

Which shows Nintendo held talks for FP2 with

Sega
Konami
Square
And Microsoft

Microsoft got a rep
Square Enix got a rep and mii costumes
Konami got a deluxe mii costume and a normal mii costume

Meanwhile sega still have nothing in this pass and are the only third party company besides snk from the first pass to not receive extra content whatsoever.

The simple explanation would be a sega rep is happening. Not atlus to be specific. If atlus was the last spot then Nintendo would’ve gone to atlus and got jokers model and not sega since they’re 2 different companies.

Another explanation could be sega are getting mii costumes and that’s it. Similar to konami where they opt for a few mii costumes and nothing else.

And the last explanation which is highly unlikely since getting cgi models for third party companies would require extra negotiations would be that sega get nothing.

I can’t possibly see sega allowing sonic’s model to be in a cgi trailer shown as beaten up and opt for nothing in return

This worked for base roster as well since Megaman was the only third party CGI model from a third party company in a smash trailer which implied capcom was getting a rep or content and we ended up getting a capcom rep in the final direct.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Basically no third party company has been allowed a cgi model in any of the cgi trailers. The only exception has been sephiroth where we got

Sonic, bayonetta, richter, cloud, banjo

Which shows Nintendo held talks for FP2 with

Sega
Konami
Square
And Microsoft

Microsoft got a rep
Square Enix got a rep and mii costumes
Konami got a deluxe mii costume and a normal mii costume

Meanwhile sega still have nothing in this pass and are the only third party company besides snk from the first pass to not receive extra content whatsoever.

The simple explanation would be a sega rep is happening. Not atlus to be specific. If atlus was the last spot then Nintendo would’ve gone to atlus and got jokers model and not sega since they’re 2 different companies.

Another explanation could be sega are getting mii costumes and that’s it. Similar to konami where they opt for a few mii costumes and nothing else.

And the last explanation which is highly unlikely since getting cgi models for third party companies would require extra negotiations would be that sega get nothing.

I can’t possibly see sega allowing sonic’s model to be in a cgi trailer shown as beaten up and opt for nothing in return

This worked for base roster as well since Megaman was the only third party CGI model from a third party company in a smash trailer which implied capcom was getting a rep or content and we ended up getting a capcom rep in the final direct.

Could also mean a SEGA mii costume of some kind could show up with CP11. Or a spirit event regarding a SEGA series.


Whoops you already said that lol

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Could also mean a SEGA mii costume of some kind could show up with CP11. Or a spirit event regarding a SEGA series.

Assuming Arle isn’t playable, I’m surprised PPT2 hasn’t gotten a Spirit Event yet

 

[Guynamednelson]

Okay, I'll just ask.

Which dead franchise do you want in Smash?

It doesn't matter, you'll just go "hey maybe they'll get in next game" as if I want to wait until I'm 35 and suck even more at the game.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Assuming Arle isn’t playable, I’m surprised PPT2 hasn’t gotten a Spirit Event yet

Uh

Arle we there yet Part 2, PapaGenos?

iykyk

 

[Theguy123]

Could also mean a SEGA mii costume of some kind could show up with CP11. Or a spirit event regarding a SEGA series.

Yep even those yeah. I would think it’s unlikely that a spirit event would be the only thing to come out of the cgi sega models but it’s totally possible.

 

[Gengar84]

It doesn't matter, you'll just go "hey maybe they'll get in next game" as if I want to wait until I'm 35 and suck even more at the game.

I feel you. I’m 37 and I’m absolute trash at this game. I thought I was at least half decent in Melee but that was probably just among my small playgroup of friends.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

meanwhile Nintendo has no songs in the Olympics opening, revealing that they actually don’t have any notable IP after all
Smash is a scam, pack it up, we’re done

Yeah it's weird too since they literally made a theme for the Tokyo Olympics in one of their games.

Maybe it'll be used for the closing ceremony.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It doesn't matter, you'll just go "hey maybe they'll get in next game" as if I want to wait until I'm 35 and suck even more at the game.

And you think I want to wait a decade for a chance to get some Soulcalibur content? No, I don't but I'll bear through it because it's all I can do.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Third party companies with currently 3 characters are SEGA, Konami, Capcom, and Square Enix.
Would y'all think it'd make them stick out too much or no? Just curious.

None of those would be weird if they got another character.

Which dead franchise do you want in Smash?

I guess Chrono Trigger?

2 years ago, I'd have said most of my top 5, but then they all suddenly got new games/rereleases.

 

[FreeFox]

Basically no third party company has been allowed a cgi model in any of the cgi trailers. The only exception has been sephiroth where we got

Sonic, bayonetta, richter, cloud, banjo

Which shows Nintendo held talks for FP2 with

Sega
Konami
Square
And Microsoft

Microsoft got a rep
Square Enix got a rep and mii costumes
Konami got a deluxe mii costume and a normal mii costume

Meanwhile sega still have nothing in this pass and are the only third party company besides snk from the first pass to not receive extra content whatsoever.

The simple explanation would be a sega rep is happening. Not atlus to be specific. If atlus was the last spot then Nintendo would’ve gone to atlus and got jokers model and not sega since they’re 2 different companies.

Another explanation could be sega are getting mii costumes and that’s it. Similar to konami where they opt for a few mii costumes and nothing else.

And the last explanation which is highly unlikely since getting cgi models for third party companies would require extra negotiations would be that sega get nothing.

I can’t possibly see sega allowing sonic’s model to be in a cgi trailer shown as beaten up and opt for nothing in return

This worked for base roster as well since Megaman was the only third party CGI model from a third party company in a smash trailer which implied capcom was getting a rep or content and we ended up getting a capcom rep in the final direct.

I dont know. Capcom has gotten a lot of mii costumes despite the lack of appearances.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Btw I started No More Heroes 2 this weekto clear my backlog and in anticipation of NMIII next month and maaaaaan Travis would have been so ****ing sick lmao. I can see him being a swordy with a chunk of his moves being punches and kicks that deal a lot of shield damage and a recharge gimmick to basically make him kinda like Captain Falcon in that he has a great advantage state with many powerful moves in his arsenal but he sucks **** in disadvantage. Like, his sword moves would have more hitstun than most moves but if Travis doesn't take the time to recharge the battery, all his sword moves become unsafe on hit while being absolutely pathetic

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I’m just glad that Chrono Trigger actually got some form of recognition. If only that could lead to a new game and/or character in Smash.

At the very least they could give us a way to play it on modern systems.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Haven't played any No More Heroes games, but just for his quirky and flamboyant personality, I wouldn't have minded Travis.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

At this rate literally all I want from the final presentation is:

• a “final battle” themed trailer against both Galeem and Dharkon, to represent the “true ending” of Ultimate in a sense
• That CP11 is fun and comes with great music
• Them being an MW is a plus, though if they were one of my MWs, I think either Octoling/Off the Hook (first party) or LoL (third party due to Tencent’s involvements with Nintendo as of late) have the best shot
• AN INDIE SWORDFIGHTER MII WITH A SONG. We got two gunners and one brawler with a song each, let’s complete the trifecta (if not HK then Zagreus would be nice)
• A Tracer and/or Monokuma Mii. The former is something I’m surprised hasn’t happened already (that or an OW Spirit Event) and the latter is a pipe dream since DR is finally coming to switch and this is the best representation I can see it realistically having
• Some minor misc features being added to existing modes. No new modes as a whole obviously (if you know me you know which minor features I want)
• Just sayin uhhh it would be nice if, if that bonus eshop spot even means anything, that it’s a bonus three stage pack with music for each stage. And that an X stage with X music is one of them
• A really nice retrospective that hits you in the feels

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I just want more western games to get content in the game lol
Spirit events too, cuz excluding Lotus since she wasn't in her own event, Cuphead's the only western game to get a spirit event.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

AN INDIE SWORDFIGHTER MII WITH A SONG. We got two gunners and one brawler with a song each, let’s complete the trifecta (if not HK then Zagreus would be nice)

What of Shovel Knight with Strike the Earth?

 

[Merengue]

Feeling like the final character is strangely absent in Ultimate despite having been associated with Smash before.
Might be a trophy from melee, brawl, smash 4 that didn't come back as a spirit

Ex. Deathborn
Doshin the Giant

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I just want more western games to get content in the game lol
Spirit events too, cuz excluding Lotus since she wasn't in her own event, Cuphead's the only western game to get a spirit event.

Fr where’s my Undertale Spirit Event

also, i really want Darkest Dungeon to get SOME form of recognition

ps if you like difficult ass dungeon crawlers and/or the Lovecraftian aesthetic I cannot recommend that enough, LITERALLY PLAY IT WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR

 

[GilTheGreat19]

The final character is Scorpion and the MK "FINISH HIM" sound effect is gonna play in his fight against Dharkon

Let me dream ok?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The final character is Scorpion and the MK "FINISH HIM" sound effect is gonna play in his fight against Dharkon

Let me dream ok?

I'll allow you to dream because a Mortal Kombat character is a pipe dream of mine.

Just let me dream of Sub-Zero because he has cooler mechanics

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Just let me dream of Sub-Zero because he has cooler mechanics

Hey Hey

Why not both?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What of Shovel Knight with Strike the Earth?

It would be nice to see one more Mii based off an AT (Spring Man in base, and Akira Yuki, Squid Sisters and Bomberman for DLC)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hey Hey

Why not both?

Now that's a pipe dream among pipe dreams.

...So let's dream it

 

[Ivander]

So basically, what I'm saying is that only a fourth Square Enix rep would stick out too much to me since 90% of their stuff is RPGs. But it's also not a bad thing.

Then we get Lara Croft as our 4th rep.

Which dead franchise do you want in Smash?

Custom Robo. As in regards to playable characters before we talk about the Custom Robo spirits and the Mii Costume(which I do use quite a bunch).

True

So uh there's this fellow

Spoiler: Ladies and Gents, your 4th SEGA rep

Ryu Hayabusa: I sleep
Joe Musashi: REAL S***

Would really love him, as I frickin' loved Shinobi 3. Can we use him with his Shinobi 3 design? Or at least his Shinobi 3 headgear?

I just think the Shinobi 3 headgear makes him standout more.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I just think the Shinobi 3 headgear makes him standout more.

That's a cool design.

Funny enough, I first heard of him because of Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed but I REALLY like Joe's design in that game.

 

[Schnee117]

And you think I want to wait a decade for a chance to get some Soulcalibur content? No, I don't but I'll bear through it because it's all I can do.

Yeah, everyone's gonna be waiting a while for the next game and another set of chances for their most wanted to get in after the final character here.
No one's all the more special because the character they want is Isaac from Golden Sun (This is who Nelson wants seeing as he doesn't want to answer properly) or Crash Bandicoot or Sora or Elma and so on.

I can wait however long it takes for Chief, or Kiryu, or Dante, or Nightmare, or Waluigi or whoever else I really want to get in, I've got other things going on in my life that a character getting into Smash is pretty low on the priority list.

I'll also add that if people are gonna openly admit to their insecurities over a video game character, then they should work on sorting them out instead of using them as an excuse to lash out on others.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

That said do you honestly believe this last character will be another sword?

Yes, Nahobino. Obviously he isn’t just a sword user, but he definitely has one and uses it, as most SMT protagonists do.

Actually....

The moment that costume showed up I knew we'd get a Tekken rep eventually. And that far back makes sense because if you know anything about Tekken and it's older games Smash Kazuya (Tekken 7) is the PERFECT blend of Tekken 3 Heihachi and Tekken 2 Kazuya which translated superbly if I may say so. So no, to me it meant everything. Having a Tekken rep was my only real wish beyond a netolay tk3 on PS5 (not holding my breath) so at this point it can be any character and I'll still be happy. But I acknowledge that Heihachi himself didn't get in and I respect that decision. I don't agree that Heihachi's "deconfirmation" was all that was to be "revealed" that day has history turned out with smash Kazuya.

What I mean is that if we got an updated Heihachi mii costume that would basically mean no Tekken rep because that is new content for Tekken, but instead we got the old Heihachi mii costume because Heihachi wasn’t going to be a fighter.

I thought the Namco rep would be a Tales character instead because of the missing Lloyd mii costume, but instead they updated the Lloyd mii costume and deconfirmed Tales with that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yes, Nahobino. Obviously he isn’t just a sword user, but he definitely has one and uses it, as most SMT protagonists do.

Considering when SMTV comes out, it's highly doubtful we'll get him in Smash.

Demi-Fiend is probably the best shot for SMT right now, imo.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah, everyone's gonna be waiting a while for the next game and another set of chances for their most wanted to get in after the final character here.
No one's all the more special because the character they want is Isaac from Golden Sun (This is who Nelson wants seeing as he doesn't want to answer properly) or Crash Bandicoot or Sora or Elma and so on.

No but it would benefit me to get him NOW instead of later since tournaments are the only chance I have to play with other people, and you know how your reflexes get past 30.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Considering when SMTV comes out, it's highly doubtful we'll get him in Smash.

Demi-Fiend is probably the best shot for SMT right now, imo.

The deadline for the final fighter is December 31st.

SMT V is coming out before the final character does.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The deadline for the final fighter is December 31st.

That doesn't mean "we're not gonna show the fighter until late in december".

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The deadline for the final fighter is December 31st.

SMT V is coming out before the final character does.

But Sakurai likes to play the full game and research it to get the full information.

We can see that with both Corrin and Byleth having a 7-8 months gap between their game and their Smash debut.

And in Byleth's case, Sakurai explicitly said he also had access to early builds and Byleth still came out months after Three Houses. By that logic, the earliest Nahobino could release is May 2022, therefore breaking the deadline.

The only way it could make sense is for you to put on a tinfoil hat and say Atlus is deliberately holding back on SMTV because of Smash, and that's a level of mental gymnastics that I simply can't see happening considering they've made people wait for this game for over four and a half years.

 

[Inferno7]

While it could happen, would any of y'all find it "funny" that if any third party with currently 3 playable characters gets a 4th?

Third party companies with currently 3 characters are SEGA, Konami, Capcom, and Square Enix.
Would y'all think it'd make them stick out too much or no? Just curious.

I don't personally care about silly numbers for companies. If it's a character I personally like, so be it.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Would it be possible to find some way to upload a word document on a post here? Like, file attachments or something? That might be the only way I could share my own thesis on who my candidate for the final fighter.