Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Slime Master]

Certain Mario characters not showing up in Odyssey isn't the only example of this happening.

Oh? Enlighten me then.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Tangentially related to the last point: I feel like people have been very reactionary about characters not showing up in Odyssey. Everyone who wasn't in Odyssey is suddenly a character Nintendo forgot and will never be relevant again.

Well I highly doubt people wouldn't expect Bowser Jr. to not show up ever again. There are a few characters that are intermittent (like Luigi for some reason). Rosalina is probably not one of them though.

A dirty, scum-of-the-earth spin-off that turned out to be the 12th best selling video game of all time?

I feel like Mario Kart is treated differently from most spin offs considering it has its own section in My Music. (Of course, the fact that it routinely outsells Smash probably is a factor).

Preeeetty sure they were being sarcastic.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Any game released on the Switch released too late to get a character on the base roster. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey pretty much just had big series privileges so they could get a stage instead. Link was likely only able to be changed because The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild was meant to be a Wii U game (and still is) and thus had a really long development, and was likely only changed because of Young Link's return.

Things I have slight bitterness towards:

• Lack of visual changes for Link (seriously, the four champions could just be added as visual cues; Mipha and life emoji at a respawn, Daruk and a red shield for Shielding, Urbosa and lighting for a down or side smash--- and his up special should have been changed anyway for the distinction + glider and Revali)
• Mario not getting a new move in Cappy. Even just another platform to aid his title as 'Jumpman.' I understand this one would have at least had actual balancing issues.

 

[Louie G.]

Honestly, here is the issue with the community and asking for Zelda reps.

We aren't unified enough.

From experience, this has been my concern about Rhythm Heaven too. I feel like the support is there for an additional character but it has never felt incredibly strong because of a lack of a true "obvious" choice and disagreements about how the series is best represented. Meanwhile Golden Sun for example, a series that is quite a bit smaller than Rhythm Heaven, still gets more support on the basis of a stronger, obvious candidate for the role in Isaac. I'm sure there's other factors at play such as RPGs feeling more automatically suited for Smash than a rhythm game, but in general I think it's clear why you never see RH topping polls but you may see three different RH characters scattered among the top like... 120 characters or something.

You can also look at something like DK, which was in a bit of a different situation since Zelda at least has its major players already, but K. Rool fans really knew how to fight for what they wanted. They made that support very clear, that they wanted KING K. ROOL and not just a "Donkey Kong rep". I have to commend Bandana Dee's supporters for this too - personally I just want any new Kirby character, but I think it's practical to back the one that has the best realistic shot and to unify behind that to get additional content. Even if personally I don't do that.

In other words, I agree with you.

Everyone seems to want a Zelda newcomer, but its always been an issue of who. So, I have to ask.

Who should be our frontrunners?

I think it should be Skull Kid or Midna. Impa is a character I could never really get behind because she's always felt a little more like trying to find the "next most important" character rather than the one who would genuinely be the coolest or most fun. Everyone is a significant step down from the Triforce Trio as is, so dipping into some of these very popular and iconic characters who only showed up in a couple games isn't egregious at all.

Nobody can deny the popularity of those two. I always fluctuate on which one I think should get in first, although I'd be a liiiiittle more inclined to say Skull Kid just because Majora's Mask is such an important piece of video game iconography. I'd be really happy with them both and I think their longstanding popularity and significance beyond their time in the spotlight is a testament to their worth as characters, where I doubt there would be much issue or concern about adding someone who is kind of 'old news' in the context of the series.

Oh wait I almost forgot, screw those guys. Beedle is superior.

 

[Aerospherology]

Oh? Enlighten me then.

Ones that are in Smash, but not SMO (not even a costume cameo):
Daisy, Rosalina, Bowser Jr., the Koopalings, King K. Rool

Popular Mario characters:
Kamek, Waluigi, et cetera

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly, here is the issue with the community and asking for Zelda reps.

We aren't unified enough.

Think about it. Let's look at every Zelda character added through the series and the reasons for the inclusions.

- Added as the main character of the Legend of Zelda (Bit of a required inclusion)

- Popular request and part of the main gimmick for Zelda

- Added as a bit of an "unexpected" character (Sakurai's words) and one that's incredibly important to the franchise

- Last minute clone

- One of the most popular character requests / Last minute clone

- Popular request / Last Minute Clone


Well, notice any patterns? None of the Zelda characters primarily got in through popularity. We got several popular characters but they usually had either Sakurai wanting to experiment or being a good candidate for a last minute clone to thank for their inclusion.

Unfortunately, it seems that even though lost of good characters exist like Skull Kid, Midna and Impa (there are more, but you get the point), Nintendo and/or Sakurai don't really prioritize Zelda characters. It seems to be the sad truth. Maybe they think five or six characters are enough. Maybe they think Zelda should be expanded in other content (like the large amount of stages and items). Adding more Zelda characters into Smash just doesn't seem to be a priority for them.

So well, are we just destined to just never get a new Zelda character? Well no, there are ways to motivate Sakurai and Nintendo into picking Zelda characters.

We gotta do it through raw popularity. We gotta turn a Zelda character into the new K.Rool/Ridley. We gotta make them so popular that Nintendo / Sakurai will see adding them as a benefitial move. Alright, doesn't sound too hard, but there's a problem.

Who do you rally behind?

In the above examples, Ridley was the clear frontrunner among Metroid newcomers and K.Rool only had Dixie Kong to compete with (and won). When you look at Zelda characters you get... Skull Kid, Midna, Ghirahim, Impa and several other characters getting a decent amount of requests but overall its just a large group of somewhat popular characters.

If the fanbase were to choose one or two as a frontrunner and push, PUSH, PUSH them into the mainstream Smash spotlight, I think we may have a chance.

Everyone seems to want a Zelda newcomer, but its always been an issue of who. So, I have to ask.

Who should be our frontrunners?

Skull Kid and Midna seem to be pretty popular, and their games are held in high regard. I don't have a horse in the Zelda race but I could see people rallying behind those two.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Impa is a character I could never really get behind because she's always felt a little more like trying to find the "next most important" character rather than the one who would genuinely be the coolest or most fun.

Impa is plenty cool and fun to me.

 

[Otoad64]

BJ and Rosa both arguably had their usual role usurped for that game.

luigi got his usual role usurped for that game

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Impa is a character I could never really get behind because she's always felt a little more like trying to find the "next most important" character rather than the one who would genuinely be the coolest or most fun.

No people actually do like her, she just got a pretty big boost from being recurring and the notion that one-offs are impossible. If it were solely that though then other recurring characters like Tingle and Beedle would be just as popular.

EDIT: She also got a big boost from her appearance in Hyrule Warriors. People really liked her in that game.

 

[Louie G.]

Impa is plenty cool and fun to me.

Sorry if it sounded like I was generalizing, I know that a lot of people probably really like the character.

I just remember once Impa first began to be discussed back in Smash 4, you had a lot of people trying to hunt for who would logically be the "next choice" for a Zelda character and then leaning on Impa for that reason. I think she'd be cool, I just think characters like Skull Kid or Midna are a lot more interesting (for me) despite technically being less significant in the grand scheme of things.

No people actually do like her, she just got a pretty big boost from being recurring and the notion that one-offs are impossible. If it were solely that though then other recurring characters like Tingle and Beedle would be just as popular.

I disagree with this though, Tingle is a character who many people actively dislike (not speaking for myself, but he's far more controversial than Impa at least) and Beedle (as much as I would genuinely think he's a great addition) is a lot more "out there" to ever be seriously considered as a frontrunner for the series outside of a few people like me who think he'd be a fun wacky character like Piranha Plant.

In case I phrased that incorrectly, I don't disagree with the idea that people like her, but I disagree with the notion that those two would be just as obvious. Impa is also a bit more significant to the overall story of Zelda and has shown to have the ability to fight and whatnot... which also explains why people like her, to your point, but to my point puts her on a bit of a pedestal over the others who are either fulfilling minor roles or not showing a lot of obvious potential.

Also like you said, the notion that one-offs are impossible is pretty much what I was alluding to. I think a lot of people were just discouraged from supporting Skull Kid or Midna while they've been consistently more popular than Impa outside of the Smash community. Hyrule Warriors definitely gave her a good boost because they made her pretty badass there.

But yknow, if people do want the "one-off" characters I feel like they're perfectly justified in pushing for them even if they're not the most consistently important. The two I mentioned made quite the splash for themselves so I think their longstanding significance among fans of the series justifies their inclusions very easily. The roles they played in their respective games are arguably more significant than the role Impa played in any individual mainseries Zelda title... so I guess it's ultimately a matter of perspective too.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

If we were to champion only one Zelda Rep, I’d say Skull Kid on the basis of Majoras Mask being so iconic.
My grandfather (RIP) knew enough to make a wooden replica of Majoras Mask, and the guy couldn’t tell the difference between an Xbox 360 and a Wii.

 

[Slime Master]

Well I highly doubt people wouldn't expect Bowser Jr. to not show up ever again. There are a few characters that are intermittent (like Luigi for some reason). Rosalina is probably not one of them though.

That double negative is throwing me for a loop, so apologies if I'm misinterpreting your post, but I've definitely seen something like "Bowser Jr. is getting phased out" said. Might be a minority opinion though.

Ones that are in Smash, but not SMO (not even a costume cameo):
Daisy, Rosalina, Bowser Jr., the Koopalings, King K. Rool

Popular Mario characters:
Kamek, Waluigi, et cetera

I explicitly addressed how not being in Odyssey isn't an issue. I don't really count DK characters as Mario characters since Nintendo seems to want to separate the two as much as possible (though yes, K. Rool has been done dirty). Daisy and Waluigi were only really staples in spin-offs to begin with (and still are). Everyone else on this list is in a fine spot IMO, Koopalings did have a lull but I feel like it's a bit exaggerated.

luigi got his usual role usurped for that game

Yes? Is this a point against mine that I'm not seeing or are you just adding to it?

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

Hoo boy, guess I have a lot of hot takes pertaining to the Mario series, so strap in:

• Calling Rosalina a one-off character really goes against the intent of the character. It seems obvious to me with how quickly she got put in spinoffs that Rosa was always intended to be pushed hard by Nintendo. I don't think that's changed; I'll get into why later.
• Mario isn't a series with "mainline" and "spinoff" games, at least not in the way people are acting. It's more like 6 different series.
• Even if you ignore the above, the only "mainline" Mario games the have come out since Rosa's inception that don't have her are a few NSMB games (which were never going to get new characters, let's be real here), and Mario Odyssey.

Tangentially related to the last point: I feel like people have been very reactionary about characters not showing up in Odyssey. Everyone who wasn't in Odyssey is suddenly a character Nintendo forgot and will never be relevant again. Fact of the matter is, sometimes you just don't include every single character in your new games, and BJ and Rosa both arguably had their usual role usurped for that game.

This talk of "forgotten" Mario characters reminds me of one that, while not forgotten, I think is actually in danger of being left behind.

Toadsworth. Outside of rereleases and Smash trophies/spirits, the poor guy hasn't appeared in anything in nearly 8 years.

 

[Otoad64]

Sorry if it sounded like I was generalizing, I know that a lot of people probably really like the character.

I just remember once Impa first began to be discussed back in Smash 4, you had a lot of people trying to hunt for who would logically be the "next choice" for a Zelda character and then leaning on Impa for that reason. I think she'd be cool, I just think characters like Skull Kid or Midna are a lot more interesting (for me) despite technically being less significant in the grand scheme of things.



I disagree with this though, Tingle is a character who many people actively dislike and Beedle (as much as I would genuinely think he's a great addition) is a lot more "out there" to ever be seriously considered as a frontrunner for the series outside of a few people like me who think he'd be a fun wacky character like Piranha Plant.

I never got the hype around skull kid. I probably just don't know the character enough but I just don't see why he'd be cool

Yes? Is this a point against mine that I'm not seeing or are you just adding to it?

It's not a point against yours, but I do wish that mainline mario games used the extended cast more. especially the 3D games.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

A dirty, scum-of-the-earth spin-off that turned out to be the 12th best selling video game of all time? (And with another Mario Kart game right above it?)

I feel like Mario Kart is treated differently from most spin offs considering it has its own stage and section in My Music. (Of course, the fact that it routinely outsells Smash probably is a factor).

I was hoping the hyperbole would make it clear that I was not making a genuine statement. Sarcasm on the internet. Don’t do it kids.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Zelda's very popularity and diverse setting/characters of its games makes getting a unified choice all the more difficult. Whereas Dixie and BWD pretty much are acknowledged as the remaining main characters of their series not in Smash as fighters, LoZ just lacks that same quality. Throw in the fact that gameplay potential isn't a settled concept either and you have a franchise with no real lead. Heck what various characters have shown in Hyrule Warriors alone demonstrates that cool movesets are hardly exclusive to a few.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That double negative is throwing me for a loop, so apologies if I'm misinterpreting your post, but I've definitely seen something like "Bowser Jr. is getting phased out" said. Might be a minority opinion though.

Yeah whoever said that is spouting silly talk. Bowser Jr. is a fairly consistent member of the cast, in fact this seems to be his first absence since his inception. Luigi's been absent more often than he has (which is really weird to think about). While Super Mario Odyssey was the silliest game to leave him out of on account of it being his father's wedding, he'll most definitely come back. Same with Yoshi (though he wasn't absent in Super Marion Odyssey, he seems to get left out in every other game).

Other characters, like Daisy, Wario, and the like get used for a bit, then dropped (EDIT: or dropped after a single game). I suspect this is the drop off point for Rosalina, and characters like Cappy and Pauline won't last in the main series for too long either.

EDIT EDIT: You never know though. Maybe Rosalina will appear once more if they have an idea of what she could do.

 

[Louie G.]

That double negative is throwing me for a loop, so apologies if I'm misinterpreting your post, but I've definitely seen something like "Bowser Jr. is getting phased out" said. Might be a minority opinion though.

Yeah, to further disqualify this Bowser Jr appears to have a significant presence at Super Nintendo World that even features his signature paintbrush as he graffiti-ed parts of his father's castle (which was surprising to me, I didn't expect them to lean into that aspect of him).

But yeah, Bowser Jr is definitely here to stay. Makes his omission from Mario Kart 8 of all things particularly weird but it was a notable enough mistake for them to fix it in Deluxe anyway, lmao.

 

[ahemtoday]

Other characters, like Daisy, Wario, and the like get used for a bit, then dropped. I suspect this is the drop off point for Rosalina, and characters like Cappy and Pauline won't last in the main series for too long either.

I don't think Rosalina and Cappy are really in comparable situations, here. I'd liken Cappy much more to... I dunno, Sprixie Princess, who showed up in that Wii U Mario Tennis and then never again. Cappy doesn't seem to be getting even that much, though...

 

[blackghost]

Man even when talking about BotW you sure love moving goalposts, your last post was 'BotW did not shake up the formula' and now it's 'the changes were not good imo'. Will the next post be about how BotW shouldn't be considered a Switch game or something? I don't really care about this argument but please learn to actually debate instead of moving goalposts hoping the other side loses interest so you can claim you won teh epic internetz

dont worry im done. I think the point was proved.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

If we were to champion only one Zelda Rep, I’d say Skull Kid on the basis of Majoras Mask being so iconic.
My grandfather (RIP) knew enough to make a wooden replica of Majoras Mask, and the guy couldn’t tell the difference between an Xbox 360 and a Wii.

Yeah honestly it's pretty crazy how Majora's mask have such a big influence on popular culture. On twitter and other social media, when there's a big event coming, even when it's not video game related I often see the picture "dawn of the final day". Skull kid also have a lot of merchandise, probably more than any other one off Zelda characters.

Also I saw some posts saying that Skull kid was only popular because of the Loz leak, but that is simply not true. I would say he was one of the most requested character for Brawl alongside Isaac, Ridley etc. There was a lot of mods of Skull kid on Brawl. His populariry slow down a bit at Smash 4 because Girahim got some support and Midna got way more popular at that time, but he was still heavily requested. I remember his assist trophy announcement made a lot of people sad.

 

[SKX31]

Well I highly doubt people wouldn't expect Bowser Jr. to not show up ever again. There are a few characters that are intermittent (like Luigi for some reason). Rosalina is probably not one of them though.

Which incidentally is more food for the "Nintendo generally uses characters for certain roles - if there's a percieved need for them that is" line of thinking. That's not a completely solid theory or anything like that - more like a loose hypothesis. But Bowser Jr's often used as either A) Mini-Boss, or B) To kick-start whatever little story there is, like his role in NSMB DS. Luigi... doesn't really get as many opportunities, especially not in games where Mario's the sole playable character (like him being missing in 64 and Sunshine, or him setting up the Balloon minigame in Odyssey).

Other characters like say Yoshi, Rosalina or Pauline might be in the boat of "We'll reuse them if we need to" (like Yoshi's return in NSMB Wii IIRC and SMG 2). Wario's seemingly shooed off to WarioWare land and spin-offs, while Daisy seems to be a spin-off centric character because A) They're already using Peach "for that role" and B) She's been assigned to spin offs since at least the original Mario Tennis.

 

[Louie G.]

Also I saw some posts saying that Skull kid was only popular because of the Loz leak, but that is simply not true. I would say he was one of the most requested character for Brawl alongside Isaac, Ridley etc. There was na lot of mods of Skull kid on Brawl. His populariry slow down a bit at Smash 4 because Girahim got some support and Midna got way more popular at that time, but he was still heavily requested. I remember his assist trophy announcement made a lot of people sad.

Skull Kid has honestly been significantly popular since Brawl. There was a whole era of the Internet that was obsessed with Majora's Mask and, by extension, Skull Kid from around that time and leading up to Smash 4. Anyone saying this has no idea what they're talking about or has Smash tunnel vision and only talks about characters who are deemed frontrunners or pop up in random leaks themselves. It's pretty ironic.

It's honestly really annoying that people will credit leaks and rumors for the popularity of characters like Skull Kid (or Hayabusa, or Chun-Li) who are plenty popular on their own terms and have legions of fans who would be hyped to see them. It's just, again, the community is often unable to look beyond a certain point and for many unless a character is being discussed every single day they are either not actually popular or were simply a passing fad / bandwagon.

I've had people tell me the only reason Arle is talked about is because of Papa f**king Genos and color theory. These people think exclusively in the context of Smash speculation / forums and nothing more.

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

I think part of the reason Smash speculation seems so aimless right now is the lack of singular focus that DLC characters have had of late.

Are we focusing on Nintendo characters from Switch games (Byleth, Min Min)? That might suggest options like Rex or a BotW2 character.

Are we focusing on characters where the games had content in Ultimate on launch but not as much as it could've (Min Min, Sephiroth)? That might suggest options like Elma or Monster Hunter.

Are we focusing on 3rd party series that have never been in Smash before (most of FP1 + Steve)? That opens up tons of new possibilities, too many to list - especially given the diversity of the pulls so far.

You could come up with more readings of the available content, but you hopefully get the idea. And so people are left not only having their own preferences and ideas for character speculation, but also not even agreeing on what direction things are even headed in, if there even is one at all.

 

[SharkLord]

Yeah honestly it's pretty crazy how Majora's mask have such a big influence on popular culture. On twitter and other social media, when there's a big event coming, even when it's not video game related I often see the picture "dawn of the final day". Skull kid also have a lot of merchandise, probably more than any other one off Zelda characters.

Also I saw some posts saying that Skull kid was only popular because of the Loz leak, but that is simply not true. I would say he was one of the most requested character for Brawl alongside Isaac, Ridley etc. There was a lot of mods of Skull kid on Brawl. His populariry slow down a bit at Smash 4 because Girahim got some support and Midna got way more popular at that time, but he was still heavily requested. I remember his assist trophy announcement made a lot of people sad.

I think that was also partially the result of the Grinch Leak getting hopes up, and it was part of the realization of "Aw darn, it's not true.". Granted, that would also help boost his support anyways, since he's a pretty popular character and I think he was part of what made the Grinch Leak gain traction due to people having hope. And as you mentioned, popularity fluctuates; He declined while Ghirahim and Midna got popular, but during the Grinch Leak the tables turned and he gained popularity again.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't think Rosalina and Cappy are really in comparable situations, here. I'd liken Cappy much more to... I dunno, Sprixie Princess, who showed up in that Wii U Mario Tennis and then never again. Cappy doesn't seem to be getting even that much, though...

Well it's too soon to make that call. I just have a feeling that Cappy won't really leave Super Mario Odyssey save for a sequel.

EDIT: Mostly due to the fact that he mostly exists for the game's mechanics, so if you remove them I feel like the devs would find him unnecessary.

Which incidentally is more food for the "Nintendo generally uses characters if there's a percieved need for them" line of thinking. That's not a completely solid theory or anything like that - more like a loose hypothesis. But Bowser Jr's often used as either A) Mini-Boss, or B) To kick-start whatever little story there is, like his role in NSMB DS. Luigi... doesn't really get as many opportunities, especially not in games where Mario's the sole playable character (like him being missing in 64 and Sunshine, or him setting up the Balloon minigame in Odyssey).

Yeah. The line of thinking was probably "we have the Broodals so why the heck would we need Bowser Jr.?" but it's pretty dumb that they didn't even give him a cameo or anything.

Now I'm imagining him being the ring bearer with that giant ring that wouldn't even fit Bowser's finger and it's glorious.

 

[Otoad64]

Luigi's been absent more often than he has

no. Luigi was only absent from 64 and sunshine whereas BJ is absent from 3D land, 3D world, odyssey and nsmb2. Kinda wierd he wasn't in nsmb2 seeing as that's the only nsmb game to not have him

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that was also partially the result of the Grinch Leak getting hopes up, and it was part of the realization of "Aw darn, it's not true.". Granted, that would also help boost his support anyways, since he's a pretty popular character and I think he was part of what made the Grinch Leak gain traction due to people having hope. And as you mentioned, popularity fluctuates; He declined while Ghirahim and Midna got popular, but during the Grinch Leak the tables turned and he gained popularity again.

He wasn't in the Grinch Leak. The Grinch Leak characters were Geno, Isaac, Banjo & Kazooie, the Chorus Kids, Ken, Shadow, and Mach Rider.

 

[SharkLord]

He wasn't in the Grinch Leak. The Grinch Leak characters were Geno, Isaac, Banjo & Kazooie, the Chorus Kids, Ken, Shadow, and Mach Rider.

Wait, he wasn't? It's been a while, and I don't remember it as well.

...

Oh god the Grinch Leak was over two years ago what the %$#@

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It seems Skull Kid and Midna are two of the frontrunners... with Impa as a close third....

I wonder if I can start something...

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Wait, he wasn't? It's been a while, and I don't remember it as well.

...

Oh god the Grinch Leak was over two years ago what the %$#@
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What made Skull Kid popular in the base game of Ultimate was Chairs Theory. No, we do not speak of that again.

 

[Aerospherology]

Wait, he wasn't? It's been a while, and I don't remember it as well.

...

Oh god the Grinch Leak was over two years ago what the %$#@
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gets cane and walks over with it
I remember those days... that war over a children's party game on an internet forum...

 

[blackghost]

To be fair with Mario, its cast tends to be consistent, typically appearing in multiple games after they're introduced, unlike Zelda where it's exceedingly rare to see returning characters that aren't Impa or a Triforce wielder.

Still not much of an excuse for why Zelda is like this though, since there's no shortage of one-off first-party reps (literally any FE rep but Marth and Ike, both Mother characters, Sheik, etc.), just pointing out that comparing Zelda to Mario isn't a fair thing to do.

the thing is even FF characters appear in other titles and spinoff games or are referenced. for example sephiroth has appeared in 22 games and 2 movies i think. that crushes any non triforce wielder.
if nintendo had a history-making games like hyrule warriors or spin-offs like FF Dissidia these other characters would have more set fanbase.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What made Skull Kid popular in the base game of Ultimate was Chairs Theory. No, we do not speak of that again.

Don’t forget LoZ13, who also seemed to flip flop as to whether Isaac was in or not

ultimately both Skull Kid and Isaac were in... as assist trophies.

Also the chairs were actually hints at Galeem and Dharkon don’t @ me

 

[Peepo T. Skeleton]

What made Skull Kid popular in the base game of Ultimate was Chairs Theory. No, we do not speak of that again.

Funnily enough this is only one of three fandoms I'm a part of that's obsessed with chairs for some reason.

 

[ZelDan]

He wasn't in the Grinch Leak. The Grinch Leak characters were Geno, Isaac, Banjo & Kazooie, the Chorus Kids, Ken, Shadow, and Mach Rider.

He wasn't, but I'm assuming Sharklord is talking about how a bunch of Skull Kid fans mistakenly saw Skull Kid's mask in Mach Rider's bike, which caused them further grief than they would have gotten despite not even being the target audience of the hoax...

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait no wasn’t his name Loz18?

eh doesn’t matter he was a phony and that’s the important thing

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Technically she didn’t, Cosmic Spirit is a different entity. Also, most Zelda characters returned in Hyrule Warriors. And Mario Kart Wii was a dirty, scum-of-the-earth spin-off that could never amount to anything.

Mario Kart Wii is the 12th best selling video game of all time. Calling it a "dirty, scum-of-the-earth spin-off that could never amount to anything" is just insulting to everyone who played it (me included).

 

[blackghost]

: People paid money for us right?
: Yeah. A lot of people too.
: Do I count?
: No.

returning veteran semi clones in 4 and a new character semi clone DLC in ultimate are not the same. DLC in smash was changed AFTER they came. Dont think people would be happy with that now. ironically smash works inverse FGC DLC where they usually bring back fan favorites. for example, its pretty much accepted that baiken will be DLC in the new Guilty gear strive.

regarding the zelda conversation, i'd love to see midna shes one of the best companions in a game ever (right there with Elizabeth and Ellie) but in LOZ the reoccurring characters are really the locations not necessarily anyone else outside the triforce. Zelda is really more about locations and their various versions. when a new zelda comes out people are looking to see if their favorites made it in at all but they KNOW there will be a Hylian field setting, Ganon's castle, and a few others. theres no guarantee you will see shiek, tetra, the great fairy, and many others.

zelda is the inverse of FE. FE is about each game's characters at the center of the game making the fanbase choose favorites.

 

[SharkLord]

He wasn't, but I'm assuming Sharklord is talking about how a bunch of Skull Kids mistakenly saw Skull Kid's mask in Mach Rider's bike, which caused them further grief than they would have gotten despite not even being the target audience of the hoax...

Yeah, that explains it. I swear I remember fanart and memes that grouped Skull Kid in with the Grinch Gang, though that might just be Mandela Effect kicking in.