Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

That’s just a small cameo. If you saw the announcement of Zero Dawn’s Steam port, you’d be able to find quite a bit of salt from quite a few individuals.

Ah I see
You have a point there.

 

[chocolatejr9]

That’s just a small cameo. If you saw the announcement of Zero Dawn’s Steam port, you’d be able to find quite a bit of salt from quite a few individuals.

And they say I'm the weird one for preferring Xbox...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we get a Guilty Gear Rep, I would die if we get this song in the game

I'm not as into the most of this song since it's pretty heavy (in style, I'm fine with heavy lyrics) but I do like the refrain. From what I've heard, it's pretty hard to go wrong with Guilty Gear Strive's OST.

I don't really like Trigger though since most of the Beta 2 matches I saw had this playing and it's not nearly good enough to not get annoying when overplayed.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Milia is freaking cool when she gets going.

The Millia in question

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For real though Sol is a top tier choice for te final character

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sol Badguy

He is the most interesting anime swordsman, fighting mcpunchface, input centered, and spiky haired fighter in the world.

Stay guilty, my friends.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Too bad folks would just complain about Sol being another "Anime swordsman" knowing the Smash community if he's the last fighter.

I myself think he'd be an awesome addition although I ain't exactly supporting him.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

The Millia in question

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For real though Sol is a top tier choice for te final character

First Tekken inputs, now GG roman cancels. You're asking too much from Smash!!!

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

You COULD argue they saw how popular Persona 5 was, and decided to jump on it.

You do realize that Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal combined have sold barely over 5 million, right?

 

[Inferno7]

Sol is cool but if I had to add any unconvential swordie that is somewhat related with fighting games, it'd be this man:

 

[osby]

You do realize that Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal combined have sold barely over 5 million, right?

You do realize that 5 million is not a bad sales number for a JRPG that isn't Pokemon or Final Fantasy, right?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The Millia in question

I was more referring to her combos, but her pressure was fun to watch too. It probably helps that I've never had to deal with it myself though. lol

Later in the tournament, I was thinking "huh, May does have some stuff other than dolphin".

May proceeds to win the final round of Losers Finals with just dolphin spam

...oh

For real though Sol is a top tier choice for te final character

Despite the "ew, anime sword Terry" crowd, I'd be into it. A cool character, banger music, a hopefully not just another flat stage with a wall gimmick. What more could you possibly want in a Fighter Pack?

 

[Schnee117]

You do realize that Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal combined have sold barely over 5 million, right?

Why are we acting like 5 million is a poor sales number?
Why are we acting like Persona 5 wasn't huge on the internet when it originally released and wasn't direct competition to Breath of the Wild in Game of the Year conversations?

If Persona 5 was actually on the Switch some of y'all wouldn't be downplaying it

 

[ZelDan]

I find it funny how we saw someone scoff at persona 5's 5 million sales when earlier in this thread we had people praying for Metroid to get 5 million sales.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I find it funny how we saw someone scoff at persona 5's 5 million sales when earlier in this thread we had people praying for Metroid to get 5 million sales.

The duality of man: Some people will take 5 Million as a success, and some people are Capcom.

 

[GoodGrief741]

You do realize that 5 million is not a bad sales number for a JRPG that isn't Pokemon or Final Fantasy, right?

Especially when you take into account that it's not multiplatform.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

You do realize that Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal combined have sold barely over 5 million, right?

Is that supposed to be bad?

 

[Idon]

At this point Joker/P5 is more of a crossover darling than Street Fighter Ryu is lol.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...a hopefully not just another flat stage with a wall gimmick.

I take that back. If we get a Guilty Gear Strive stage where if you wall break, it shows the characters flying across the zone and transitions into a new area with all of the other characters rushing in, that would be hype, even if it only happened in 1v1's to avoid bogging down the match.

Super bonus points if certain attacks were treated like Dusts, and let you go ham on the opponent during the transition.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

Why are we acting like 5 million is a poor sales number?
Why are we acting like Persona 5 wasn't huge on the internet when it originally released and wasn't direct competition to Breath of the Wild in Game of the Year conversations?

If Persona 5 was actually on the Switch some of y'all wouldn't be downplaying it

It’s not poor by any means, but that is realistically half of the average sales for popular Final Fantasy games with one version.

The idea that Persona is the JRPG equivalent of Steve from Minecraft and Joker was somehow likely at all from sales alone is ludicrous.

When Joker came to Smash Persona 5 had sold a little over 2 million copies, that is not even remotely big enough for Smash to recognize over another 3rd party from Sony. Three Houses had sold more than that by the time Byleth came to Smash and SRPGs are lucky to sell over 1 million copies.

As for Persona 5 competing with Breath of Wild for Game of the Year, that is hilarious, it was an entry for the award(many games have been over the years) but a turn based JRPG will never win game of the year unless it is from Square Enix because western gaming is dominated by shooters, adventure games and battle royals.

SMT V will very likely win RPG of the year this year and be entered for game of the year just like Persona 5 in 2017(and just like Persona 5 it won’t win it despite even weaker competition), but that doesn’t mean that some hypothetical Sony or Microsoft crossover is going to go crazy trying to get Nahobino in their game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It’s not poor by any means, but that is realistically half of the average sales for popular Final Fantasy games with one version.

The idea that Persona is the JRPG equivalent of Steve from Minecraft and Joker was somehow likely at all from sales alone is ludicrous.

When Joker came to Smash Persona 5 had sold a little over 2 million copies, that is not even remotely big enough for Smash to recognize over another 3rd party from Sony. Three Houses had sold more than that by the time Byleth came to Smash and SRPGs are lucky to sell over 1 million copies.

As for Persona 5 competing with Breath of Wild for Game of the Year, that is hilarious, it was an entry for the award(many games have been over the years) but a turn based JRPG will never win game of the year unless it is from Square Enix because western gaming is dominated by shooters, adventure games and battle royals.

SMT V will very likely win RPG of the year this year and be entered for game of the year just like Persona 5 in 2017(and just like Persona 5 it won’t win it despite even weaker competition), but that doesn’t mean that some hypothetical Sony or Microsoft crossover is going to go crazy trying to get Nahobino in their game.

So...the take is "it's not Final Fantasy big so it couldn't have been picked for popularity"?

I...I don't...what?

 

[osby]

It’s not poor by any means, but that is realistically half of the average sales for popular Final Fantasy games with one version.

The idea that Persona is the JRPG equivalent of Steve from Minecraft and Joker was somehow likely at all from sales alone is ludicrous.

When Joker came to Smash Persona 5 had sold a little over 2 million copies, that is not even remotely big enough for Smash to recognize over another 3rd party from Sony. Three Houses had sold more than that by the time Byleth came to Smash and SRPGs are lucky to sell over 1 million copies.

As for Persona 5 competing with Breath of Wild for Game of the Year, that is hilarious, it was an entry for the award(many games have been over the years) but a turn based JRPG will never win game of the year unless it is from Square Enix because western gaming is dominated by shooters, adventure games and battle royals.

SMT V will very likely win RPG of the year this year and be entered for game of the year just like Persona 5 in 2017(and just like Persona 5 it won’t win it despite even weaker competition), but that doesn’t mean that some hypothetical Sony or Microsoft crossover is going to go crazy trying to get Nahobino in their game.

"Joker is the JRPG equivalent of Steve"

Nobody but you said that. Good job on making up arguments to debunk so you can look smarter.

 

[Dan Quixote]

Too bad folks would just complain about Sol being another "Anime swordsman" knowing the Smash community if he's the last fighter.

I myself think he'd be an awesome addition although I ain't exactly supporting him.

Would they though? I mean yeah some people definitely would, but I feel like the entire aesthetic of Sol contrasts enough with the traditional anime style of someone like Sephiroth. Along with his sword being really weird (it feels like he uses it more like a bat half the time) I think the usual crowd of naysayers would have less to say.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

The idea that Persona is the JRPG equivalent of Steve from Minecraft and Joker was somehow likely at all from sales alone is ludicrous.

We never implied this.


Just be a little cautious with what you say. I can see you're new here (welcome to the site btw), but we can better understand and get along with one another when communication is at most clear, concise, and amiable.

 

[Slime Master]

TBH I don't think Sol would get much anime swordy complaints. Those only seem to apply to characters people don't know, hence it never happening to Sephiroth. With how popular Strive is especially among smash players I think he'd go over pretty well. He might get some complaints for being another FGC character though.

 

[Willbuysmash4mw]

So...the take is "it's not Final Fantasy big so it couldn't have been picked for popularity"?

I...I don't...what?

2 million copies is a little more than average for the bigger RPGs that aren’t Final Fantasy and Pokémon.

Monster Hunter Stories 2 sold 1 million in 10 days and I was worried that would fail.

The point isn’t that Persona 5 is too niche for Smash, the point is that it is too niche to be recognized over other series exclusive to Sony systems.

"Joker is the JRPG equivalent of Steve"

Nobody but you said that. Good job on making up arguments to debunk so you can look smarter.

Steve literally got in solely due to Minecraft’s popularity. You essentially are making that argument when you claim Persona 5 is too popular to ignore.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Would they though? I mean yeah some people definitely would, but I feel like the entire aesthetic of Sol contrasts enough with the traditional anime style of someone like Sephiroth. Along with his sword being really weird (it feels like he uses it more like a bat half the time) I think the usual crowd of naysayers would have less to say.

He definitely would have a different feel from the other anime characters since his aesthetic is more modern, but he would still have the "anime aesthetic" (note that the prominent outlines would probably be gone here), and people would probably call his weapon a sword anyway. The fact that Bandit Bringer has the same concept as Power Dunk probably wouldn't help either. Combine all that with the fact that FGC characters get dunked on by the haters as well, and that this would be the last character, and there would be quite a bit for them to complain about.

Still though, I think he'd be pretty dang cool, and he might win over quite a few people.

The point isn’t that Persona 5 is too niche for Smash, the point is that it is too niche to be recognized over other series exclusive to Sony systems.

They don't always go for the biggest pick though. And like, just because there are bigger things on the system doesn't mean that Persona 5 itself wasn't big either.

EDIT: Besides, there's no evidence to suggest that Persona 5 was directly competing for a Sony exclusive spot.

Steve literally got in solely due to Minecraft’s popularity. You essentially are making that argument when you claim Persona 5 is too popular to ignore.

That's not what was said either; just that Nintendo saw Persona 5's popularity and decided to add it.

 

[FreeFox]

2 million copies is a little more than average for the bigger RPGs that aren’t Final Fantasy and Pokémon.

Monster Hunter Stories 2 sold 1 million in 10 days and I was worried that would fail.

The point isn’t that Persona 5 is too niche for Smash, the point is that it is too niche to be recognized over other series exclusive to Sony systems.

Steve literally got in solely due to Minecraft’s popularity. You essentially are making that argument when you claim Persona 5 is too popular to ignore.

What about other factors like recognition. Shouldnt that also be important? Or popularity? Because sales arent everything when it comes to characters getting smash.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It’s not poor by any means, but that is realistically half of the average sales for popular Final Fantasy games with one version.

That's a hilariously dumb argument. It's like saying no video game is popular because they don't sell as much as Mario does. There is such a thing as more than one successful franchise in each genre, you know?

The idea that Persona is the JRPG equivalent of Steve from Minecraft

Nobody ever said this. In fact, what does this even mean?

Joker was somehow likely at all from sales alone is ludicrous.

Of course not. There's also critical acclaim, popularity, relevance, iconicness, having future entries, tons of stuff.

When Joker came to Smash Persona 5 had sold a little over 2 million copies, that is not even remotely big enough for Smash to recognize over another 3rd party from Sony.

Sony doesn't own Persona 5. Sega does. Also clearly it is considering, y'know, they did.

As for Persona 5 competing with Breath of Wild for Game of the Year, that is hilarious, it was an entry for the award(many games have been over the years)

Yes that is what competing for an award means.

but a turn based JRPG will never win game of the year unless it is from Square Enix because western gaming is dominated by shooters, adventure games and battle royals.

Really cool backseat analysis there mate, you seriously making sweeping statements like "X will never happen!" about an awards show that's 7 years old, can't see how that would age poorly no sir

 

[SNEKeater]

Would they though? I mean yeah some people definitely would, but I feel like the entire aesthetic of Sol contrasts enough with the traditional anime style of someone like Sephiroth. Along with his sword being really weird (it feels like he uses it more like a bat half the time) I think the usual crowd of naysayers would have less to say.

I don't know, I think people would still complain. Even if it's just because of ignorance. Some folks will be rooting for their MWs and then they find another fighting game character which means more inputs, he looks anime, and on top of that she uses something that resembles a sword, so haters would absolutely call him "anime swordsman" if they have the chance.

But that doesn't matter because they will know true horror once he releases, when they face his infamous secret weapon:

 

[GilTheGreat19]

When Joker came to Smash Persona 5 had sold a little over 2 million copies, that is not even remotely big enough for Smash to recognize over another 3rd party from Sony. Three Houses had sold more than that by the time Byleth came to Smash and SRPGs are lucky to sell over 1 million copies.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sold around 2M units as of September 2020. This is 5 months before their Smash reveal in February 2021. When they were revealed for Smash, the game sold out FAST in Japan.

Also, Sony doesn't own the Persona series; Sega/Atlus does.

Point being, whether your game is a juggernaut like Minecraft or a smaller but still significant game such as Xenoblade Chronicles 2, said games' characters getting into Smash are a gateway for people to buy the fighters' homage games.

Just try to look up some information before you make an argument. Subjective evidence is never true evidence.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we must compare apples to oranges, Minecraft isn't just popular. In fact, it wouldn't be too big of a stretch to call it world changing, even beyond the gaming landscape. Very few series, let alone standalone games, can claim anything close to that.

That doesn't really mean that the game knocks out all the categories it was chosen for.

 

[Perkilator]

In case people weren't sure:

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Richter should've also faced Crazy Hand in his route, since the latter is technically an Echo of Master Hand.

 

[Ivander]

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Richter should've also faced Crazy Hand in his route, since the latter is technically an Echo of Master Hand.

I'll keep the Dracula fight that uses Dance of Illusions, thank you.

 

[CannonStreak]

I'll keep the Dracula fight that uses Dance of Illusions, thank you.

Yeah, because Crazy Hand doesn't belong in Richter's world, huh?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I'll keep the Dracula fight that uses Dance of Illusions, thank you.

This person gets it
Also, why WOULDNT you make a Belmont fight Dracula? That's like saying Mario shouldn't fight Bowser in his classic mode lol

 

[FreeFox]

In case people weren't sure:

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Richter should've also faced Crazy Hand in his route, since the latter is technically an Echo of Master Hand.

Kinda wish more bosses appeared at the end of characters classic mode routes instead of the Master Hand/Crazy Hand.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I'm JUST saying

Imagine her as a boss

Spoiler: 0_0

 

[Perkilator]

I'll keep the Dracula fight that uses Dance of Illusions, thank you.

This person gets it
Also, why WOULDNT you make a Belmont fight Dracula? That's like saying Mario shouldn't fight Bowser in his classic mode lol

Let's compromise; assuming Richter did fight Crazy Hand in his route, you could maybe...have Richter be an ally in the battle against Dracula in Simon's route while Dance of Illusions plays in the background.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I'm JUST saying

Imagine her as a boss

Spoiler: 0_0

And after beating her, this would be the credits theme for Chell's classic mode.

Spoiler

 

[GilTheGreat19]

And after beating her, this would be the credits theme for Chell's classic mode.

Spoiler

Bruh she goes "I'm not even angry" at 1:00 LMAOO