Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

You fools, don't you see, they'll announcr Jane Hairbones in Smash as one of the announcements

To quote an average Smash fan...

"Who?"

 

[Rie Sonomura]

To quote an average Smash fan...

"Who?"

Violet, since she has the ponytail “Jane” was implied to have

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

You've completely and utterly missed the point entirely.

I’ll split this into segments to make the post easier to understand.

When Nintendo has access to franchises like Resident Evil, or Monster Hunter, or Devil May Cry, or literally any other IP on the market, why would they go for Ace Attorney?

Why did we get Banjo before Minecraft? Why haven’t we gotten Halo or Battletoads or even Killer Instinct yet? Because how big a series is doesn’t give it top billing to be in Smash. Its like Sakurai said with Terry.

it doesn't help that it's literally only just now getting a game, a localization of previously made games, after four years of dead silence

The game is new in half of the world, it is a big deal. Aside from that, Ace Attorney 7 is in development and a port of 4-6 was in talks a while ago. Capcom is really pushing Ace Attorney and may want to promote it with Smash.

I do not see how I am "defacing the series standing" when it is literally true that it's one of capcom's smaller IPs, is neglected extremely often, and hasn't had any limelight in four years.

This is true, it is widely regarded as one of Capcoms smaller IPs, however, not having the limelight for a while is completely irrelevant when faced with the fact AA is being pushed now.

Also, Phoenix is quite a well requested character, he had quite a lot of support during the ballot era, so Sakurai likely knows how much people want him. He is popular in the Smash community, just like Dante is.

Jeez, and people wonder why I lost interest in Ace Attorney.

As a Smash possibility? Or are you judging an entire series because you don’t like talking about its chances in a fighting game?

Edit: Spent so long working on this post its been two pages lmao.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To quote an average Smash fan...

"Who?"

Back in 2019, datamining revealed a new character known as Brave which was Hero, Joker being Jack by process of elimination, but there was something odd, Joker had files for a character simply known as Jane which was also a codename, most likely Violet/Kasumi from P5R, the hairbone part comes from those Jane files, but when Joker got released, these hairbone files were nowhere to be found, they weren't used for Anne's hair nor for Morgana or anything. Funny enough it may be the only time we learn about scrapped DLC content

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Back in 2019, datamining revealed a new character known as Brave which was Hero, Joker being Jack by process of elimination, but there was something odd, Joker had files for a character simply known as Jane which was also a codename, most likely Violet/Kasumi from P5R, the hairbone part comes from those Jane files, but when Joker got released, these hairbone files were nowhere to be found, they weren't used for Anne's hair nor for Morgana or anything.

I remember the Jane phase people had.

At first, it was just assumed to be a female Joker because we didn't know Violet was a separate character yet. This felt pretty fair to me.

Then, when it was revealed to be a different character, people were even more toxic about it, going as far as to insult people who would even think of the possibility that Kasumi wouldn't make it in Smash.

2019 was a different time for specula.

Funny enough it may be the only time we learn about scrapped DLC content

Didn't Sakurai say he wanted each Hero alt to be a different Hero?

Or that Rex was originally planned to be part of the Aegis moveset?

We learn stuff every now and then.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

This is true, it is widely regarded as one of Capcoms smaller IPs,

In terms of how Capcom of Japan's handling things right now, even though the new bosses like the old games, anything that ISN'T Street Fighter, classic Mega Man, or Monster Hunter is automatically regarded as one of their smaller IPs. It's painful when you think about it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

In terms of how Capcom of Japan's handling things right now, even though the new bosses like the old games, anything that ISN'T Street Fighter, classic Mega Man, or Monster Hunter is automatically regarded as one of their smaller IPs. It's painful when you think about it.

tfw Resident Evil is a "smaller IP"

 

[Flyboy]

I'm so happy they've started using P3P FemC in stuff again. She's, like, one of my favorite RPG protagonists ever.

 

[SNEKeater]

I mean, is Ace Attorney small in comparison to Resident Evil or Monster Hunter? Of course it is. But you could say the same about Devil May Cry and you wouldn't be really wrong about it.

Ace Attorney might be a small series in the grand scheme of things but saying or implying it's incredibly small within Capcom's portfolio feels like being out of touch IMO. Capcom has a lot of IPs and most of them would love to have the same attention and love Ace Attorney gets. Even when there's silence about a new entry they at least kinda try to maintain the series relevant through multiple ports, or keep the fans happy with special events (though most of these are usually japanese-exclusive, but the point still stands).

Other small series might get a new game but then you usually see them going completely radio silence (except for potential apperances in their Versus games) until the next release, if there's even one.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

tfw Resident Evil is a "smaller IP"

tfw Devil May Cry is a "smaller IP" after DMC 5's mad success

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Back in 2019, datamining revealed a new character known as Brave which was Hero, Joker being Jack by process of elimination, but there was something odd, Joker had files for a character simply known as Jane which was also a codename, most likely Violet/Kasumi from P5R, the hairbone part comes from those Jane files, but when Joker got released, these hairbone files were nowhere to be found, they weren't used for Anne's hair nor for Morgana or anything. Funny enough it may be the only time we learn about scrapped DLC content

Lol thanks for explaining all that, though I apologize because I already know about the "Jane" files. I started following Smash Ultimate speculation since the game was announced, and I was around when the 2019 datamines happened.

I was just joking when I said "Who?; poking fun at Smash fans not knowing characters and what not.

Apologies to you to, Rie, lmao

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

In terms of how Capcom of Japan's handling things right now, even though the new bosses like the old games, anything that ISN'T Street Fighter, classic Mega Man, or Monster Hunter is automatically regarded as one of their smaller IPs. It's painful when you think about it.View attachment 322528

That is incredibly strange. DMC and RE sell gangbusters.

Also, Street Fighter is something they see as a big IP? As a fighting game nerd I’m gonna scream given how little support Capcom has been showing the FGC compared to how much they used to.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I was just joking when I said "Who?; poking fun at Smash fans not knowing characters and what not.

Maybe it would've been more clear if you also said "HOES MAD"

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Didn't Sakurai say he wanted each Hero alt to be a different Hero?

Or that Rex was originally planned to be part of the Aegis moveset?

We learn stuff every now and then.

I think he said that he wanted 2 hero alts (only DQ 11 and DQ 3 hero), and Square told him that he could do 4 so he add DQ 4 and 8 heroes. I don't remember reading that more than that was ever planned.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Maybe it would've been more clear if you also said "HOES MAD"

Fair point

 

[SNEKeater]

As of now Devil May Cry 5 has sold at least 4.3 million of copies, source: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html. It's their #12 best selling game in their history, according to the website.

For the series, and considering hack n slash games are kind of a niche genre, these are great sales.

I'd say these numbers aren't numbers of a small series in Capcom's context, the problem is they lack consistency with the series. As of now it doesn't seem like DMC6 is even on the plans. It will obviously happen, but not in the next years. I guess their approach with DMC is to release a big mainline game once each 6-7? years and call it a day.

It's also a series very dependant on Hideki Itsuno, the director. It doesn't feel like others are willing to step up and direct a DMC game, or maybe Capcom just doesn't want to do DMC games without Itsuno. And it is known he's working in other projects right now.

If it wasn't for that, and Capcom decided to make DMC a bit more consistent in terms of releases, it could totally become grow even more as a series.

 

[ThatRedPlumber]

What if they mirror Piranha Plant and give us a BotW Bokoblin for the final character? Smash Ultimate could use use another wtf character.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think he said that he wanted 2 hero alts (only DQ 11 and DQ 3 hero), and Square told him that he could do 4 so he add DQ 4 and 8 heroes. I don't remember reading that more than that was ever planned.

The DQ 1 and 5 heroes were planned but scrapped, the former because he doesn't have an official design and the latter because he uses a staff not a sword.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think he said that he wanted 2 hero alts (only DQ 11 and DQ 3 hero), and Square told him that he could do 4 so he add DQ 4 and 8 heroes. I don't remember reading that more than that was ever planned.

I looked up and in a way, we're both right and wrong.

Sakurai had free reign on which Heroes to pick beyond Erdrick and Luminary. Solo and Eight weren't forced; he could pick any of them.

But he was also down for eight Heroes had Square been willing to go that far.

Source: https://www.siliconera.com/masahiro...imates-hero-dlc-director-philosophy-and-more/

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I saw some people theorize that Arusa was supposed to be the default DQ Hero, but then the Desire to promote DQ11 led the Luminary to become the default. These same folks said that using Arusa and not the Luminary in Sephiroth’s trailer is evidence of this. I think the theory does make a bit of sense. Would not be surprised if it’s actually true.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I saw some people theorize that Arusa was supposed to be the default DQ Hero, but then the Desire to promote DQ11 led the Luminary to become the default. These same folks said that using Arusa and not the Luminary in Sephiroth’s trailer is evidence of this. I think the theory does make a bit of sense. Would not be surprised if it’s actually true.

I don’t necessarily disagree with this theory. But Sephiroths trailer was released over a year after heroes. I don’t think the trailer was planned that far ahead.

Aside that, Luminary was the main Hero in his own trailer, so if we’re using trailers as evidence I’d say that is moreso evidence to the contrary.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I don’t necessarily disagree with this theory. But Sephiroths trailer was released over a year after heroes. I don’t think the trailer was planned that far ahead.

Aside that, Luminary was the main Hero in his own trailer, so if we’re using trailers as evidence I’d say that is moreso evidence to the contrary.

Good points.

Guess Sakurai's simply got bias for Arusa, then? lol

 

[Flyboy]

Good points.

Guess Sakurai's simply got bias for Arusa, then? lol

DQ3 is one of those genre and generation-defining games in Japan. It's the one that gets referenced in, like, everything. So it's probably just Sakurai using the most popular or iconic Hero whenever he gets the chance to in future trailers.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

DQ3 is one of those genre and generation-defining games in Japan. It's the one that gets referenced in, like, everything. So it's probably just Sakurai using the most popular or iconic Hero whenever he gets the chance to in future trailers.

Possible, as well..


After all, DQ is big in Japan.. BIG BIG

This restaurant, Luida's Bar located in Japan, is LITERALLY DQ-themed

Who tryna go with me?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I looked up and in a way, we're both right and wrong.

Sakurai had free reign on which Heroes to pick beyond Erdrick and Luminary. Solo and Eight weren't forced; he could pick any of them.

But he was also down for eight Heroes had Square been willing to go that far.

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Source: https://www.siliconera.com/masahiro...imates-hero-dlc-director-philosophy-and-more/

I actually didn't know that, thanks for the source. If I had to choose 4 more hero, I would have picked DQ 2, DQ 6, female DQ 9 and female DQ 4. I wonder if he had those in mind.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

The characters selected in the trailers are kinda arbitrary tbh, like Sonic of all characters was the one to send Mario to Minecraft lol.

 

[SKX31]

Persona 6 has just started development

Well, everyone in speculation will see the Persona 6 protag coming.



Nah but seriously, I'm gonna come with the slightly hot take that choosing a setting outside of Japan for P6 would make it more interesting IMHO (considering the setting P3-5 went with, and P5 is very much a socio-political commentary on Japan and its issues.).

I looked up and in a way, we're both right and wrong.

Sakurai had free reign on which Heroes to pick beyond Erdrick and Luminary. Solo and Eight weren't forced; he could pick any of them.

But he was also down for eight Heroes had Square been willing to go that far.

View attachment 322529
Source: https://www.siliconera.com/masahiro...imates-hero-dlc-director-philosophy-and-more/

While eight Heroes would've been extremely difficult to implement (not only due to choosing which four of the remaining seven Heroes to fill out slot 5-8, but also the additional voicework needed*) Five would've been really interesting to see precisely because he doesn't use a sword. Which is what made Sakurai apprehensive around him IIRC.

* While it's possible - see - it nevertheless would've been additional work.

I actually didn't know that, thanks for the source. If I had to choose 4 more hero, I would have picked DQ 2, DQ 6, female DQ 9 and female DQ 4. I wonder if he had those in mind.

Since we're on this, I'd pick:

• Five
• Female 3
• Female 4
• DQ2 because of he wears pilot goggles for no apparent reason. Plus points for confidence there.

 

[ahemtoday]

The characters selected in the trailers are kinda arbitrary tbh, like Sonic of all characters was the one to send Mario to Minecraft lol.

I mean, is there a more reasonable pick? I'm not sure anyone on the roster sending Mario to Minecraft would be fitting.

 

[3BitSaurus]

This restaurant, Luida's Bar located in Japan, is LITERALLY DQ-themed

Who tryna go with me?

Real **** - the restaurants alone are one of the reasons why I want to visit Japan one day. Not just the thematic ones either, there's plenty of cafés with really good-looking food.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

The characters selected in the trailers are kinda arbitrary tbh, like Sonic of all characters was the one to send Mario to Minecraft lol.

So you're saying there's a chance for the Koopalings to return to their CGI glory?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I actually didn't know that, thanks for the source. If I had to choose 4 more hero, I would have picked DQ 2, DQ 6, female DQ 9 and female DQ 4. I wonder if he had those in mind.

They made an effort to pick Heroes from different games, so I have doubts on female DQ4.

Also, DQ5 has a staff, DQ1 got Mii outfit and DQ7 is too small, so I think the only possible options would've been DQ2, DQ6, DQ9 and DQ10. Exactly enough to fill all 8 slots.

9 and 10 can be the female ones if they have to pick some girls, but given how Hero's Final Smash is, I don't think gender was really a thing that bothered them.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Ya know
Imagine if we got Slime and now the DQ heroes

That'd be funny and cool simultaneously imo.

 

[Slime Master]

I've said this before but 5's Hero has a perfectly valid option for a sword specific to him in Pankraz' sword. I'm guessing "doesn't use a sword" was used as more of a reason to cut him after already having realized cuts had to be made due to time constraints; if there was more time we probably would have gotten him.

 

[FreeFox]

Here is an interesting tidbit about Ace attorney and its perceived smallness.

-Ace Attorney is in the top three best selling visual novel franchises. Yes, when it comes to its videogame genre, AA is almost at the top.
-Visual Novel sales are smaller in general: Sakura Wars has 4.7 million, Danganronpa has 3.5 million just to name a couple.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I remember the Jane phase people had.

At first, it was just assumed to be a female Joker because we didn't know Violet was a separate character yet. This felt pretty fair to me.

Then, when it was revealed to be a different character, people were even more toxic about it, going as far as to insult people who would even think of the possibility that Kasumi wouldn't make it in Smash.

2019 was a different time for specula.


Didn't Sakurai say he wanted each Hero alt to be a different Hero?

Or that Rex was originally planned to be part of the Aegis moveset?

We learn stuff every now and then.

Tbf since the reasoning for Rex was basically “Ice Climbers is already pushing it and they‘re bicolor blobs“ I don’t think a Rex and Pyra match was every seriously considered.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

DQ3 is the most iconic game of the series and was a huge hit back in japan at late 80’s. It would make sense to think that Sakurai thought of making Edrick the default alt for Hero. Probably the stage was also considered to be based on DQ3.

But likely both Square and Nintendo had interested in promoting DQ11 Switch version, so they suggested Sakurai to focused CP2 on Luminary.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Tbf since the reasoning for Rex was basically “Ice Climbers is already pushing it and they‘re bicolor blobs“ I don’t think a Rex and Pyra match was every seriously considered.

We don't really know how much is going on behind the scenes.

Maybe Nintendo pushed for Rex and Aegis, but Sakurai said it was too much and struck a compromise by removing Rex from the equation?

But this is all just theories.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

WAIT WHAT
Professor Layton is a better selling series than the Ace Attorney series!

Have a look at this:

 

[RileyXY1]

WAIT WHAT
Professor Layton is a better selling series than the Ace Attorney series!

Have a look at this:
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It doesn't matter anyways because Level 5 is a dying company.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

The characters selected in the trailers are kinda arbitrary tbh, like Sonic of all characters was the one to send Mario to Minecraft lol.

wait......which Sega character just had a crossover with Minecraft recently?