Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The release is also wild:

• Refreshing the Software Update "Via the Internet" button around the time the character releases until it works. Bonus points if you're looking at a streamer who's doing the same and following said streamer's button presses.
• Going to patch notes and trying to discern which character's suddenly OP or trash without even having played the new version. You just know that the new guy's broken because, to quote@ Thinkaman: "This character is broken, I can already tell because character #81 will have both the vibrational energies of 8 and 1--signifying supreme ambition--and will release under Cancer as Mercury ends its retrograde coinciding with the solstice."
• Clear Classic mode with the new guy. Bonus points if you misinput a couple times and never play the new guy again.
• Clear the new guy's Spirit Board. Bonus points if you just screw around with a character you normally don't play because that Spirit combination is just too fun to ignore.
• Go online and see a ton of people using the new guy whether they have a clue on how to use him / her or not. (Optional)

You forgot:

• Immediately go to training mode and button check the character until you're like "yeah, I think I know how he plays now".

 

[GilTheGreat19]

For those who may not have heard yet..
According to Express.co.uk, Kazuya should release at 6 p.m. EST!

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Of course, my wifi conked out so I can’t download the update till Friday. Time sucks.

Does this mean I can make a “One Like equals One Prayer” Post?

 

[Doc Monocle]

People are making such a huge deal on Mortal kombat violence. If Nintendo can remove the torture attacks of Bayonetta that you can summon with magic, of course they're going to remove Fatality and blood. If they want MK in Smash they're going to find a way to make it work.

I do not think it is so much about Mortal Kombat bringing blood and gore itself. Rather, I believe that it is about progression over time. First, it was Metal Gear, etc. As time goes on, however, demands will be heightened, as people become more expectant of detail, and the profits speak louder than most or all else. If the series is reckless with its invitations, then it will eventually be forced to take a direction initially inconsistent with purpose. If Smash Bros. lasts long enough, it will change from its 'E-' rated status if great care is not taken.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Of course, my wifi conked out so I can’t download the update till Friday. Time sucks.

Does this mean I can make a “One Like equals One Prayer” Post?

I suppose you can. However, it is physically impossible to not make a post like that annoying, so proceed with caution.

I do not think it is so much about Mortal Kombat bringing blood and gore itself. Rather, I believe that it is about progression over time. First, it was Metal Gear, etc. As time goes on, however, demands will be heightened, as people become more expectant of detail, and the profits speak louder than most or all else. If the series is reckless with its invitations, then it will eventually be forced to take a direction initially inconsistent with purpose. If Smash Bros. lasts long enough, it will change from its 'E-' rated status if great care is not taken.

...

Is this just the slippery slope fallacy? Also, Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl were both rated T, so that's already happened.

 

[osby]

I do not think it is so much about Mortal Kombat bringing blood and gore itself. Rather, I believe that it is about progression over time. First, it was Metal Gear, etc. As time goes on, however, demands will be heightened, as people become more expectant of detail, and the profits speak louder than most or all else. If the series is reckless with its invitations, then it will eventually be forced to take a direction initially inconsistent with purpose. If Smash Bros. lasts long enough, it will change from its 'E-' rated status if great care is not taken.

You know Brawl was rated T, right?

 

[Perkilator]

You know Brawl was rated T, right?

And so was Melee.

 

[RileyXY1]

And so was Melee.

Melee predated the E10 rating. Had the E10 rating existed back when Melee came out then it would've been rated E10.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I suppose you can. However, it is physically impossible to not make a post like that annoying, so proceed with caution.

I’ve spent the last 5 minutes trying to make a post like that not annoying.

I guess it just wasn’t meant to be.
one like equals one prayer for the post

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Wasn’t Brawl rated T because ESRB rating E10+ didn’t exist back then?

 

[Doc Monocle]

You know Brawl was rated T, right?

I suppose you can. However, it is physically impossible to not make a post like that annoying, so proceed with caution.


...

Is this just the slippery slope fallacy? Also, Super Smash Bros. Melee and Brawl were both rated T, so that's already happened.

My mistake! I still do believe that content generally will decline, though. I quite firmly hold so.

 

[Perkilator]

Wasn’t Brawl rated T because ESRB rating E10+ didn’t exist back then?

That's Melee you're thinking of. IIRC, Brawl was rated T because of SSE.

As well as Snake genuinely snapping Mario's neck in his gameplay trailer

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I’ve spent the last 5 minutes trying to make a post like that not annoying.

I guess it just wasn’t meant to be.
one like equals one prayer for the post

What have you done! You have broken the laws of physics and created a "one like = one [THING]" post that's actually funny!

YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!!!

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Wasn’t Brawl rated T because ESRB rating E10+ didn’t exist back then?

E10+ was made in 2005. Brawl was 2008.

Melee was before E10+ though.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

That's Melee you're thinking of. IIRC, Brawl was rated T because of SSE.

As well as Snake genuinely snapping Mario's neck in his gameplay trailer

It was because of Master Hand bleeding during a SSE cutscene, specifically.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My mistake! I still do believe that content generally will decline, though. I quite firmly hold so.

But...what does the game's rating have to do with the series's quality?

If you're worried about an M rated Super Smash Bros., then don't, because that would require something that a lot of companies would be upset with like actually chopping off Pikachu's head or something.

 

[Perkilator]

Just curious; what time is Kazuya supposed to release today?

 

[Ivander]

Just curious; what time is Kazuya supposed to release today?

Supposedly, 6 PM EST.

 

[Doc Monocle]

But...what does the game's rating have to do with the series's quality?

If you're worried about an M rated Super Smash Bros., then don't, because that would require something that a lot of companies would be upset with like actually chopping off Pikachu's head or something.

I am not worried about the rating at all, really. I am only concerned about the content. Truthfully, I am not well-acquainted to the ESRB system. I just know that in other media, ratings are not always consistent with the content. Perhaps most would not agree with me, but taking a movie, for example, I have seen some 'PG-13' ratings for films with more repulsive content than some movies with 'R' ratings. I could not but assume that such discrepancies could exist within the gaming industry. Much of what I believe about this is generated from deep-seated views about where the world is headed and why, and not so much because of familiarity with gaming history and conventions.

I apologize for the mistake. Sometimes I speak hastily when I have something particular to say, often saying more than I intend to.

 

[osby]

I am not worried about the rating at all, really. I am only concerned about the content. Truthfully, I am not well-acquainted to the ESRB system. I just know that in other media, ratings are not always consistent with the content. Perhaps most would not agree with me, but taking a movie, for example, I have seen some 'PG-13' ratings for films with more repulsive content than some movies with 'R' ratings. I could not but assume that such discrepancies could exist within the gaming industry. Much of what I believe about this is generated from deep-seated views about where the world is headed and why, and not so much because of familiarity with gaming history and conventions.

I apologize for the mistake. Sometimes I speak hastily when I have something particular to say, often saying more than I intend to.

You know, I'm not even sure what do you mean by "content concerns". Are you worried that Smash might include characters that push the age rating and make you uncomfortable?

 

[Perkilator]

Here's some Spirit Events I think would make sense:

• Game Builder Garage
• Mario Golf: Super Rush
• NEO The World Ends with You
• Metroid Dread
• SMT V
• Splatoon 3

This is purely taking new releases into consideration.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Here's some Spirit Events I think would make sense:

• Game Builder Garage
• Mario Golf: Super Rush
• NEO The World Ends with You
• Metroid Dread
• SMT V
• Splatoon 3

This is purely taking new releases into consideration.

Maybe also a spirit event for No more Heroes 3. They could use the Travis mii for his spirit fight.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I believe one of the moderators brought him up as a potential Arthur/Sophia-style spirit, but Ryu Hayabusa could arrive in such a fashion.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Here's some Spirit Events I think would make sense:

• Game Builder Garage
• Mario Golf: Super Rush
• NEO The World Ends with You
• Metroid Dread
• SMT V
• Splatoon 3

This is purely taking new releases into consideration.

Also Monster Hunter Stories 2 is worth in consideration.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Oh right...
If either of the SMT characters get spirit'd I don't think that'd necessarily eliminate the odds of the other happening
e.g. Demi-fiend and SMTIII get a spirit event; we could still get the SMT V dude.

 

[Doc Monocle]

You know, I'm not even sure what do you mean by "content concerns". Are you worried that Smash might include characters that push the age rating and make you uncomfortable?

What I mean is that by including certain characters, a game might draw attention to what is 'missing.' For example, Samus obviously has topics about her that, when entertained, easily cause... issues. However, if the home series does not entertain such to begin with (I only played one Metroid game, hence the hypothetical), then any expectations by fans would be spun from their minds from another inspiration. Taking Mortal Kombat as another example, it is famous for blood and gore (am I correct?). People drawn to Mortal Kombat who found this appealing, might find this to be a 'missing' aspect...

I am not worried about the characters themselves, but what is suggested 'should' happen as a result of them.

 

[osby]

What I mean is that by including certain characters, a game might draw attention to what is 'missing.' For example, Samus obviously has topics about her that, when entertained, easily cause... issues. However, if the home series does not entertain such to begin with (I only played one Metroid game, hence the hypothetical), then any expectations by fans would be spun from their minds from another inspiration. Taking Mortal Kombat as another example, it is famous for blood and gore (am I correct?). People drawn to Mortal Kombat who found this appealing, might find this to be a 'missing' aspect...

I am not worried about the characters themselves, but what is suggested 'should' happen as a result of them.

I guess some people might take offense but I think the majority would rather have their character in Smash despite the censoring.

Like, I've yet to see a significant backlash over Bayo getting a new design or Joker having a family-friendly AOA. Hell, the most censored character in Smash isn't even from an M-rated game or third party, it's

 

[Gengar84]

What I mean is that by including certain characters, a game might draw attention to what is 'missing.' For example, Samus obviously has topics about her that, when entertained, easily cause... issues. However, if the home series does not entertain such to begin with (I only played one Metroid game, hence the hypothetical), then any expectations by fans would be spun from their minds from another inspiration. Taking Mortal Kombat as another example, it is famous for blood and gore (am I correct?). People drawn to Mortal Kombat who found this appealing, might find this to be a 'missing' aspect...

I am not worried about the characters themselves, but what is suggested 'should' happen as a result of them.

I don’t really think that is likely to happen in a large scale. I think most people realize that Smash is meant to appeal to all ages so it isn’t very realistic to expect any gore. I can’t speak for everyone but I think a lot of MK fans love the series for more than just the gore. The first movie’s popularity is a great example of this. It is mostly a kid friendly movie with all elements of gore taken out and it is still beloved to this day. The main theme, Techno Syndrome is probably among the most recognizable video game related songs ever.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What I mean is that by including certain characters, a game might draw attention to what is 'missing.' For example, Samus obviously has topics about her that, when entertained, easily cause... issues. However, if the home series does not entertain such to begin with (I only played one Metroid game, hence the hypothetical), then any expectations by fans would be spun from their minds from another inspiration.

So...the whole Metroid issues thing is a hypothetical? I can't really recall anything in the Metroid series that is all that problematic, and as far as I can tell, the only thing that's missing from Metroid representation is a more accurate game feel for Samus.

Taking Mortal Kombat as another example, it is famous for blood and gore (am I correct?). People drawn to Mortal Kombat who found this appealing, might find this to be a 'missing' aspect...

Eh...I think as far as censorship goes, the characters that require it the most for inclusion have audiences that are old enough to understand and accept the censorship (these are 18+ games after all). If Scorpion or Sub Zero were added without any blood hit effects or gore, while still being able to capture the spirit of the game (likely through incorporating game mechanics, emulating the heavily mocapped style of animation, and a fatality system that includes non-gory fatalities) then I think most Mortal Kombat fans would be happy with the result.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sums it up.

I think there's a lot of truth in this https://t.co/8ucJPIuw3h

— Jon Cartwright (@JonComms) June 28, 2021

 

[CroonerMike]

Sums it up.

I think there's a lot of truth in this https://t.co/8ucJPIuw3h

— Jon Cartwright (@JonComms) June 28, 2021

Sounds more like an edgy tweet rather than an honest statement sort of like “we are the true monsters” or “we live in a society”

I can agree somewhat that people enjoy more talking about smash than playing it but the entire statement like this is kinda of cringe.

Not trying to be rude about this by the way, just my interpretation.

 

[Doc Monocle]

So...the whole Metroid issues thing is a hypothetical? I can't really recall anything in the Metroid series that is all that problematic, and as far as I can tell, the only thing that's missing from Metroid representation is a more accurate game feel for Samus.

That is what I thought, but since I do not know, I defaulted to stating that as hypothetical.

Eh...I think as far as censorship goes, the characters that require it the most for inclusion have audiences that are old enough to understand and accept the censorship (these are 18+ games after all). If Scorpion or Sub Zero were added without any blood hit effects or gore, while still being able to capture the spirit of the game (likely through incorporating game mechanics, emulating the heavily mocapped style of animation, and a fatality system that includes non-gory fatalities) then I think most Mortal Kombat fans would be happy with the result.

I hope so, but I must admit that I can be very cynical about the evolution of things in an imperfect world.

In the words of some Star Wars characters:

"I have a bad feeling about this..."

It is that sort of sense.

 

[Momotsuki]

I think Ultimate will remain semi-prominent until the next Smash game. Which - considering that the Switch is still going strong - will very likely be quite a while. Definitely a longer gap than between for and Ultimate. Which is nice, since I'm certainly not ready to leave Ultimate behind.

 

[volbound1700]

I was actually raised with the censored port of the original on Genesis and watched the 90’s movie religiously so I wasn’t even aware of the series Ultraviolent nature until 3 years ago.

I still don’t even really think of MK Characters like Scorpion in the same way I think of M Rated characters like Doomguy.

Go play your SEGA port and at the intro, type in ABACABB . I typed that in all of the time when I played MK. Finishing Moves were a HUGE part of the game.

I think Ultimate will remain semi-prominent until the next Smash game. Which - considering that the Switch is still going strong - will very likely be quite a while. Definitely a longer gap than between for and Ultimate. Which is nice, since I'm certainly not ready to leave Ultimate behind.

Sakurai did mention that we could still see more content after FP#11. I think the hint is that the content won't be characters though. I am thinking it will primarily be Spirit Events/New Spirits and Multiplayer tweaks and events. I don't think he is referencing anything big.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Sums it up.

I think there's a lot of truth in this https://t.co/8ucJPIuw3h

— Jon Cartwright (@JonComms) June 28, 2021

Kind of? I mean, to those who play competitively, spirits and ATs won't see any use due to the rules while Miis will rarely be seen due to being mediocre.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here's some Spirit Events I think would make sense:

• Game Builder Garage
• Mario Golf: Super Rush
• NEO The World Ends with You
• Metroid Dread
• SMT V
• Splatoon 3

This is purely taking new releases into consideration.

I think it’s maybe too early for a Splatoon 3 spirit event. It’s not even out yet

though, NEO TWEWY is possible, and while a bit late, Puyo Puyo Tetris 2

 

[Perkilator]

I think it’s maybe too early for a Splatoon 3 spirit event. It’s not even out yet

I mean, when it is out. I listed a lot of games that aren't out yet.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know what would be funny? If Scorpion and/or Sub Zero had ultra-secret (not even listed within the game) Babalities that only worked on characters with established baby forms (Mario, Yoshi, Pikachu, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Peach, Daisy, Bowser, Wario, Lucario, Rosalina & Luma, and Ridley).

 

[Megadoomer]

You know what would be funny? If Scorpion and/or Sub Zero had ultra-secret (not even listed within the game) Babalities that only worked on characters with established baby forms (Mario, Yoshi, Pikachu, Luigi, Jigglypuff, Peach, Daisy, Bowser, Wario, Lucario, Rosalina & Luma, and Ridley).

Considering the sort of things that the development team has done in the past, I could see them including baby/young child forms for every character (regardless of whether or not they've had one shown) just because they can.

 

[Dinoman96]

I think Ultimate will remain semi-prominent until the next Smash game. Which - considering that the Switch is still going strong - will very likely be quite a while. Definitely a longer gap than between for and Ultimate. Which is nice, since I'm certainly not ready to leave Ultimate behind.

I'm kinda expecting Sakurai to work an original, non-Smash project once Ultimate is finished, something along the lines of Meteos or Kid Icarus Uprising.

Sakurai's been making a big deal of how FP2 will finally end the continuous development of Smash that's been going on since Smash 4 back in 2012. The Switch most likely still has quite a lot of life left in it and there's not gonna really be a need to jump straight into the next Smash for the next console that probably won't see release for several more years from now.