Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DarthEnderX]

Makes more sense to call them Indie Miis tbh.

So far, the only Miis to come with music were Indie.

WayForward hasn't been indie for awhile now. They're a pretty decent-sized company at this point.

Premium works fine. It implies that you're getting more than you do with other Miis. Which a musical track is.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Your reaction when we get another Spirit upgrade but its Rabbid Mario

 

[Mushroomguy12]

So I think this is the first time we've gotten more than one "M-Rated" (ie only the name of the character is shown rather than the series) costume in a single wave.

 

[Schnee117]

Your reaction when we get another Spirit upgrade but its Rabbid Mario

Should have been Rabbid Luigi

 

[KillerCage]

Dragonborn is out, and this means we're likely not getting a Bethesda character. Same with Capcom now that Dante's out.

You're forgetting someone who escaped the carnage.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So I think this is the first time we've gotten more than one "M-Rated" (ie only the name is shown rather than the series) costume in a single wave.

What if the last wave is more than one indie with a song?

 

[Geno Boost]

Today basically

I have no feeling towards the mii costumes that were shown as I have not played their games before.
But I am still hurt by not having Sukapon mii costume.

 

[osby]

BTW, I was off on the Mii Costumes. I was calling 3-4 Tekken, Lloyd, and another unknown one that I couldn't predict.

0 Tekken costumes was surprising but it started to make sense when Sakurai referenced how Tekken mechanics do not fit with Smash. He seemed hesitant on including Tekken content.

I don't think Sakurai has a problem with adding Tekken content into Smash. You can see a lot of respect for the series and any reservations he might have come from his desire to adapt the series faithfully into Smash.

By your logic, he was even more hesitant to add Banjo.

 

[Shroob]

Should have been Rabbid Luigi

Our first YouTuber in Smash is not who'd I'd expect.

 

[DarkFalcon]

If it isn't 3rd party I'd be content with another Zelda rep for the last fighter. If it's a JRPG character though I can only imagine the anger.

 

[Paraster]

I'm calling it now: CP11 is gonna be an indie character (most likely an Undertale rep, maybe Reimu), and ALL the Mii costumes will be indie characters with bonus songs.

(Except for any costumes from the same series as the fighter.)

 

[epicmartin7]

Fighter 11 will be the last fighter.
Won't be revealed for awhile.

 

[volbound1700]

I don't think Sakurai has a problem with adding Tekken content into Smash. You can see a lot of respect for the series and any reservations he might have come from his desire to adapt the series faithfully into Smash.

By your logic, he was even more hesitant to add Banjo.

Face Palm... That was exactly what I was referring to. His comments on adapting the series faithfully.

 

[SNEKeater]

By making Vergil the final character.

Honestly, the more I think about this the happier I am for Dante, cause hey, people who tried to downplay him as a bandwagon got BTFO and next time will probably still have him as a frontrunner

Yeah, I was kinda tired when people downplayed his popularity
And even if his Smash popularity is just bandwagon, that speaks a lot for him, if that was enough for Sakurai to add him

Like, don't take this as a dart thrown at Nick because I'd adore his inclusion, but by comparison DMC has managed to get more than Ace Attorney even when AA in Smash has been requested for a longer time

The big takeaway from this presentation is that Capcom is still getting content even after all their Mii Costumes from 4 were exhausted, potentially meaning they could get the last spot in the roster. Phoenix Wright is the frontrunner after what happened to Dante (many condolences to people who wanted him).

I could see Phoenix Wright as CP11, yeah. Or Resident Evil, after Tekken and Kazuya. If Heihachi's costume was meant to confuse us, who knows, maybe they did the same for Resident Evil lol

ok but can we talk about how Kazuya!Kirby has heterochromia

thats literally the coolest thing ever

I know other great character with heterochromia

I've seen people saying that the last pick has to be major, and while I disagree, I'm curious about something.

Would a series that isn't massively requested, but comes with a lot of content be considered a good way of ending Ultimate? I remember seeing most complaints about Terry stopping after the ridiculous amount of content was shown off.

For Example, an SMT rep could come with music from loads of different spin-off series, and have loads of spirits/cameos. They could even include additional Tokyo Mirage Sessions content for FE and new Persona music, and actually reference P2 at all. Please Sakurai, I'm begging you, all I want is to beat up Nintendo characters while Maya's theme is playing:

That version of Maya's Theme was made for a Smash remix. So good

Maya still best Persona character, don't @ me

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Should have been Rabbid Luigi

He’s not a Spirit.

 

[Metal Shop X]

"Yeah, I main Kazuya, how can you tell?"

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So as far as companies that already have characters, my guess is the candidates are:

Nintendo

• ...Probably nobody at this point huh?
  • I don't want to rule out all Nintendo characters, but I really wouldn't put my money on any of them either.

Konami

• A Silent Hill Character (dark horse)

Sega

• A Sonic the Hedgehog character
• Kiryu
• Demifiend (I don't think Shin Megami Tensei V is far enough along to get a character)
• Arle
• Sakura (super dark horse)

Capcom

• Phoenix Wright
• A Resident Evil character (dark horse)
• No I didn't forget anyone else. They're not getting in.
• EDIT: Actually I did forget Chun-Li. Mega Man X might be a possibility as well.

Bandai-Namco
SquareEnix
Microsoft
SNK

 

[Perkilator]

There were only four deconfirms.

Said four were all well-known game characters, three of which were highly requested (as stated by Sakurai himself).

So yes, blood was indeed bathed in this Mii showcase.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

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Uh oh, here comes the Color Theory man!

You're forgetting someone who escaped the carnage.

If it actually is Phoenix Wrong as Number 11, I will laugh... with joy, because I quite like Mr. Wrong.

 

[Schnee117]

He’s not a Spirit.

Rabbid Luigi transcends such boundaries

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Interestingly, the European version also had only Dante and Dragonborn rather than Devil May Cry and Skyrim this time.

The Japanese version used the series titles.

As per usual, the Dante series and the Dragonborn game are referred to as Devil May Cry and Skyrim in Japan. #SmashBros #MiiFighters pic.twitter.com/OLQlcQwY8Z

— Man I (Will Always) Love Fauna(LOVE&PEACE💚✌️) (@0hourSuperpower) June 28, 2021

 

[PeridotGX]

me: It's a bit odd we haven't gotten any indie miis since pass 2 started. i think it might mean that we're getting an indie rep and all the indie reps are with them!

sakurai:

 

[Louie G.]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all. Lots of things about general Smash hype culture draining me lately and making me want to talk about it less.

There are still hundreds of viable characters who probably won't have any presence in Smash that would kill for a sliver of acknowledgment. In this regard I don't get the culture behind poking fun at disconfirmed costumes either, it's still some form of a victory and at least from my perspective it's easy to be happy with something vs nothing when there's only one more opportunity for content after this.

Fortunately though, I've seen a lot of grateful Shantae fans today. I think the music definitely helps seal the deal.

 

[BlondeLombax]

There were only four deconfirms.

And said deconfirms were massive frontrunners on the speculation scene. Them being out of the running shakes things up more than you think.

 

[volbound1700]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all. Lots of things about general Smash hype culture draining me lately and making me want to talk about it less.

There are still hundreds of viable characters who probably won't have any presence in Smash that would kill for a sliver of acknowledgment. In this regard I don't get the culture behind poking fun at disconfirmed costumes either, it's still some form of a victory and at least from my perspective it's easy to be happy with something vs nothing when there's only one more opportunity for content after this.

Fortunately though, I've seen a lot of grateful Shantae fans today. I think the music definitely helps seal the deal.

Interestingly, the most excited parts of the DLC pass for me have been some of the Mii Costumes. Tails and Knuckles coming back was great (although I wish they could have had a makeover). Bomberman, Arthur, Sans, etc. Great additions. I will probably get all 4 of these costumes (something I haven't done often in the past).

It would be nice to get more music tracks with some of the costumes and better costume quality.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all. Lots of things about general Smash hype culture draining me lately and making me want to talk about it less.

There are still hundreds of viable characters who probably won't have any presence in Smash that would kill for a sliver of acknowledgment. In this regard I don't get the culture behind poking fun at disconfirmed costumes either, it's still some form of a victory and at least from my perspective it's easy to be happy with something vs nothing when there's only one more opportunity for content after this.

Fortunately though, I've seen a lot of grateful Shantae fans today. I think the music definitely helps seal the deal.

For me, the music for Shantae does indeed seal the deal. I must admit though... I'm kind of a Shantae mega-fan. I have my name in the credits of Half-Genie Hero if that illustrates it for ya.

I was really rooting for Shantae, but alas, she was Mii'd, BUT... she was Mii'd WITH MUSIC

And honestly, even the Mii is more than some get. More than Doom got so far, that's for sure.


Now where's my Seifuku Densetsu Pretty Fighter representation hahahaha WHERE?

Spoiler

It's nowhere. It'll never happen, as much as I'd personally love it

 

[Cyberfire]

Interestingly, the European version also had only Dante and Dragonborn rather than Devil May Cry and Skyrim this time.

The Japanese version used the series titles.

As per usual, the Dante series and the Dragonborn game are referred to as Devil May Cry and Skyrim in Japan. #SmashBros #MiiFighters pic.twitter.com/OLQlcQwY8Z

— Man I (Will Always) Love Fauna(LOVE&PEACE💚✌️) (@0hourSuperpower) June 28, 2021

First time that's happened in Europe, how strange. We had logos for Assassin's Creed, Fallout & No More Heroes previously.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

That version of Maya's Theme was made for a Smash remix. So good

Maya still best Persona character, don't @ me

I'm convinced that it was made as a theme for her in p4 arena / Ultimax that got cut. It sounds like it at least. Loads of songs from that album would fit smash really well:

As for the best Persona character, it's either Maya or Tatsuya. Persona 2 had really good characters in general. (I'm going to take this opportunity to shill the Tatsuya support thread.)

 

[Perkilator]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all. Lots of things about general Smash hype culture draining me lately and making me want to talk about it less.

There are still hundreds of viable characters who probably won't have any presence in Smash that would kill for a sliver of acknowledgment. In this regard I don't get the culture behind poking fun at disconfirmed costumes either, it's still some form of a victory and at least from my perspective it's easy to be happy with something vs nothing when there's only one more opportunity for content after this.

Fortunately though, I've seen a lot of grateful Shantae fans today. I think the music definitely helps seal the deal.

PREACH

For example, I'd be bummed if Sora and/or Crash got Mii'd, but I'd also be grateful they got anything in Smash.

 

[Gengar84]

Tbh tho I’d be very surprised if there’s no Tracer Mii before DLC ends

I’m really hoping we get Kerrigan, Arthas, or Diablo. I’d love a Tracer Mii along with any of them. I kind of gave up hope on Illidan because he has too much in common with Kazuya.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all.

Yes, but depending on the character, this is due to statistics, not...the word alludes me, but I'm sure you know what I mean. It's not really unreasonable to be disappointed at conformation that your character isn't playable. That and Mii Costumes are poor substitutes for the real thing.

And yeah, something is often better than nothing, but that doesn't mean it isn't disappointing.

 

[2006ToyotaTacoma]

I'm so tired of people still treating the Mii costumes like a murder or something, when in reality with only one character remaining I feel like it should be pretty easy to grasp that had they not gotten a costume these characters would likely not get anything at all. Lots of things about general Smash hype culture draining me lately and making me want to talk about it less.

There are still hundreds of viable characters who probably won't have any presence in Smash that would kill for a sliver of acknowledgment. In this regard I don't get the culture behind poking fun at disconfirmed costumes either, it's still some form of a victory and at least from my perspective it's easy to be happy with something vs nothing when there's only one more opportunity for content after this.

Fortunately though, I've seen a lot of grateful Shantae fans today. I think the music definitely helps seal the deal.

I'd be grateful if Okami, Halo, Yakuza, Guilty Gear, etc got just spirit event as their only representation. I'd be happy with anything to be honest, although fighter is obviously the best case scenario lol.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah a lot of the entitlement-based adverse reactions stem from the fact that people seemingly don't see the possibility the character ends up with no presence whatsoever in the game as really being on the table as opposed to being increasingly more likely the closer we get to the end.

When all is said and done, dozens of candidates that have been raised will have absolutely nothing, and when the dust settles many people tend to see being placated with some supporting content as better than the goose egg countless fanbases will receive. Unfortunately that realization only comes with hindsight for some. And not at all for others. But it has to beat getting mad at the devs for simply trying to give a consolation prize. That's just petulant.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Don't know why but I'm feeling it again that people are gonna be looking forward to the Shantae Mii more then Kazuya himself the same way as Sans with Terry and Cuphead with Byleth.

 

[Technomage]

Don't know why but I'm feeling it again that people are gonna be looking forward to the Shantae Mii more then Kazuya himself the same way as Sans with Terry and especially Cuphead with Byleth.

Fixed that for you; after all, there were a lot of dislikes toward Byleth's reveal.

 

[Louie G.]

Yes, but depending on the character, this is due to statistics, not...the word alludes me, but I'm sure you know what I mean. It's not really unreasonable to be disappointed at conformation that your character isn't playable. That and Mii Costumes are poor substitutes for the real thing.

And yeah, something is often better than nothing, but that doesn't mean it isn't disappointing.

Being disappointed is fine. I've been disappointed in Mii costumes before, I was upset that Travis was disconfirmed some time back. But now we only have one character left, so it just feels odd to me that people have this sort of reaction when there's seriously only one character remaining.

Like, I get the disappointment for people who were holding out for Dante to be that character. But I think everyone ought to be a little humbled by the fact that it's really anyone's game and it's unlikely that any individual character has a significant leg up over the rest. In this regard, personally, if one of my MWs showed up as a Mii right now I'd just be grateful that it was deemed important enough to acknowledge in some meaningful capacity.

 

[MattX20]

Ugh, people on some of the Discord server I frequent are being really salty and still claiming Phoenix has no chance after Dante's Mii showed up and saying that Onimusha's sales are enough to disqualify Ace Attorney. Sales aren't everything to determine a character's viability!

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Don't know why but I'm feeling it again that people are gonna be looking forward to the Shantae Mii more then Kazuya himself the same way as Sans with Terry and Cuphead with Byleth.

Ehhh speaking purely for myself, I kinda like Kazuya in Smash.

He's so upset because his father threw him off that cliff

I mean... YEAH, if my father threw me off a cliff, I'd be so upset that I'd go punch Pikachu and Kirby too!



Also he seems pretty beast to play as.

 

[KillerCage]

Who do you suspect would fit that criteria?

Maybe...?

 

[volbound1700]

Being disappointed is fine. I've been disappointed in Mii costumes before, I was upset that Travis was disconfirmed some time back. But now we only have one character left, so it just feels odd to me that people have this sort of reaction when there's seriously only one character remaining.

Like, I get the disappointment for people who were holding out for Dante to be that character. But I think everyone ought to be a little humbled by the fact that it's really anyone's game and it's unlikely that any individual character has a significant leg up over the rest. In this regard, personally, if one of my MWs showed up as a Mii right now I'd just be grateful that it was deemed important enough to acknowledge in some meaningful capacity.

I can see both sides of the argument.

Getting a Mii Costume over nothing is a win every time.

However, it would have been more helpful if Smash team could have focused a little more on getting the fan requests in the game over some of the obscure characters in DLC pact.

I think both sides have solid arguments. Also, if you are NOT happy with the quality of something, you should complain to companies about their decision. If I don't like how the new Nissan Altima handles in rain, I should complain to Nissan about it for example.